https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WobReZDOAB8&t=205s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WobReZDOAB8&t=205s
On 19.8.2023 12.47, Whisper wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WobReZDOAB8&t=205s
Very nice clip.
Gonzalez's BH is terrible. No defensive skills, no passes, no return,
only a punched sliceish sort of thing. He had Hoad on the ropes in one
game, but the BH failed him where a TS drive would have been a sure
thing. But if you can't hit one, that's it. It's amazing how much tennis strokes have changed.
Considering all their shortcomings, these guys are very good players/athletes. Surprisingly good. A good crowd too. A Dimitrov with a woodie would would trounce these guys, though.
On 8/19/23 2:47 AM, Whisper wrote:
Great find, Whisp! Thanks for linking this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WobReZDOAB8&t=205s
First, what in the hell do you think about the surface? Shiny! I had
played in a little tournament back in the 70s at the college courts and
they were due to be resurfaced the next year. They were incredibly fast. Everything stayed low and ran back at you real fast. It *looked* like that.
No benches, huh? No wussed out concessions to the poor, tired players.
Serve technique has evolved a lot. Gonzales was a bit more conventional,
but neither player did much of a knee bend--to a degree, Hoad seemed to torque around his left foot.
Finally, there was something of Federer's grace in Gonzales' movement.
Great treat!!!
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, eg he had
to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments to give receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't have both
feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
On 20.8.2023 11.19, Whisper wrote:
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, eg he had to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments to give receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't have bothWas this a because-of-Gonzalez rule? That you had to have feet on the ground? If we still had a rule like that, we'd have to have another
feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
hawkeye to enforce it. Some things are better forgotten.
Anyways, not much point in bending the knees much, if you aren't allowed
to lift off.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
On 19/08/2023 10:29 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 19.8.2023 12.47, Whisper wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WobReZDOAB8&t=205s
Very nice clip.
Gonzalez's BH is terrible. No defensive skills, no passes, no return,
only a punched sliceish sort of thing. He had Hoad on the ropes in one
game, but the BH failed him where a TS drive would have been a sure
thing. But if you can't hit one, that's it. It's amazing how much
tennis strokes have changed.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. My guess is you don't understand what you're watching.
Considering all their shortcomings, these guys are very good
players/athletes. Surprisingly good. A good crowd too. A Dimitrov with
a woodie would would trounce these guys, though.
That's as dumb as it gets. Hoad/Pancho are arguably the 2 best tennis players ever. Dimitrov is a clown history won't remember.
On 20/08/2023 12:50 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/19/23 2:47 AM, Whisper wrote:
Great find, Whisp! Thanks for linking this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WobReZDOAB8&t=205s
First, what in the hell do you think about the surface? Shiny! I had
played in a little tournament back in the 70s at the college courts
and they were due to be resurfaced the next year. They were
incredibly fast. Everything stayed low and ran back at you real fast.
It *looked* like that.
It's a wood court. I've played on a basketball court and it was a bit
like this. The ball actually accelerates after the bounce, rebound
effect, which is opposite to what you see on normal courts.
No benches, huh? No wussed out concessions to the poor, tired players.
You suck it up, fitness is a part of sport.
Serve technique has evolved a lot. Gonzales was a bit more
conventional, but neither player did much of a knee bend--to a
degree, Hoad seemed to torque around his left foot.
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, eg he
had to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments
to give receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't
have both feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
Finally, there was something of Federer's grace in Gonzales' movement.
Great treat!!!
Yes, and this was years past his best. In this match he actually came
out of retirement to earn more money for his tennis resorts.
Man imagine if we could have matches involving peak Hoad, Laver,
Pancho, McEnroe on grass with wood rackets. Couldn't get any better.
On 20.8.2023 11.11, Whisper wrote:
On 19/08/2023 10:29 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 19.8.2023 12.47, Whisper wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WobReZDOAB8&t=205s
Very nice clip.
Gonzalez's BH is terrible. No defensive skills, no passes, no return,
only a punched sliceish sort of thing. He had Hoad on the ropes in
one game, but the BH failed him where a TS drive would have been a
sure thing. But if you can't hit one, that's it. It's amazing how
much tennis strokes have changed.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. My guess is you
don't understand what you're watching.
You can never rule that out. But Gonzalez made hash out of a BH on BP.
My cat armed with a modern TS BH drive would of killed the ball and broken.
Meow.
Considering all their shortcomings, these guys are very good
players/athletes. Surprisingly good. A good crowd too. A Dimitrov
with a woodie would would trounce these guys, though.
That's as dumb as it gets. Hoad/Pancho are arguably the 2 best tennis
players ever. Dimitrov is a clown history won't remember.
That speaks of the leaps and bounds tennis has taken. A talent with his skills is a moron.
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:34:04 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 20.8.2023 11.19, Whisper wrote:
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, eg he had >>> to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments to give >>> receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't have bothWas this a because-of-Gonzalez rule? That you had to have feet on the
feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
ground? If we still had a rule like that, we'd have to have another
hawkeye to enforce it. Some things are better forgotten.
Anyways, not much point in bending the knees much, if you aren't allowed
to lift off.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
Serena W would have beaten these bozos 606060606060
On 8/20/23 1:19 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 20/08/2023 12:50 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/19/23 2:47 AM, Whisper wrote:
Great find, Whisp! Thanks for linking this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WobReZDOAB8&t=205s
First, what in the hell do you think about the surface? Shiny! I had
played in a little tournament back in the 70s at the college courts
and they were due to be resurfaced the next year. They were
incredibly fast. Everything stayed low and ran back at you real fast.
It *looked* like that.
It's a wood court. I've played on a basketball court and it was a bit
like this. The ball actually accelerates after the bounce, rebound
effect, which is opposite to what you see on normal courts.
No benches, huh? No wussed out concessions to the poor, tired players.
You suck it up, fitness is a part of sport.
Serve technique has evolved a lot. Gonzales was a bit more
conventional, but neither player did much of a knee bend--to a
degree, Hoad seemed to torque around his left foot.
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, eg he
had to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments
to give receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't
have both feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
Finally, there was something of Federer's grace in Gonzales' movement.
Great treat!!!
Yes, and this was years past his best. In this match he actually came
out of retirement to earn more money for his tennis resorts.
Man imagine if we could have matches involving peak Hoad, Laver,
Pancho, McEnroe on grass with wood rackets. Couldn't get any better.
If there is a Wikipedia entry for "Aussie", Hoad's picture should be
right there up at the top.
On 20/08/2023 9:12 pm, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:34:04 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 20.8.2023 11.19, Whisper wrote:
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, eg heWas this a because-of-Gonzalez rule? That you had to have feet on the
had
to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments to
give
receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't have both
feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
ground? If we still had a rule like that, we'd have to have another
hawkeye to enforce it. Some things are better forgotten.
Anyways, not much point in bending the knees much, if you aren't allowed >>> to lift off.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
Serena W would have beaten these bozos 606060606060
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-the-williams-sisters-vs-karsten-braasch-the-world-no-203-destroyed-serena-williams-venus-williams-battle-sexes
Hoad and Pancho would crush Braasch like a bug 61 60.
On 21/08/2023 12:09 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/20/23 1:19 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 20/08/2023 12:50 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/19/23 2:47 AM, Whisper wrote:
Great find, Whisp! Thanks for linking this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WobReZDOAB8&t=205s
First, what in the hell do you think about the surface? Shiny! I had
played in a little tournament back in the 70s at the college courts
and they were due to be resurfaced the next year. They were
incredibly fast. Everything stayed low and ran back at you real fast. >>> It *looked* like that.
It's a wood court. I've played on a basketball court and it was a bit
like this. The ball actually accelerates after the bounce, rebound
effect, which is opposite to what you see on normal courts.
You suck it up, fitness is a part of sport.
No benches, huh? No wussed out concessions to the poor, tired players. >>
Serve technique has evolved a lot. Gonzales was a bit more
conventional, but neither player did much of a knee bend--to a
degree, Hoad seemed to torque around his left foot.
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, eg he
had to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments
to give receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't
have both feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
Finally, there was something of Federer's grace in Gonzales' movement. >>>
Great treat!!!
Yes, and this was years past his best. In this match he actually came
out of retirement to earn more money for his tennis resorts.
Man imagine if we could have matches involving peak Hoad, Laver,
Pancho, McEnroe on grass with wood rackets. Couldn't get any better.
If there is a Wikipedia entry for "Aussie", Hoad's picture should be
right there up at the top.
He was an intelligent and articulate guy, smarter than most tennis
players. He was also good looking and arguably the best tennis player
of all time. Talk about winning the genetic lottery!
On 20/08/2023 9:12 pm, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:34:04 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 20.8.2023 11.19, Whisper wrote:
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, egWas this a because-of-Gonzalez rule? That you had to have feet on the
he had
to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments to
give
receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't have both
feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
ground? If we still had a rule like that, we'd have to have another
hawkeye to enforce it. Some things are better forgotten.
Anyways, not much point in bending the knees much, if you aren't
allowed
to lift off.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
Serena W would have beaten these bozos 606060606060
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-the-williams-sisters-vs-karsten-braasch-the-world-no-203-destroyed-serena-williams-venus-williams-battle-sexes
Hoad and Pancho would crush Braasch like a bug 61 60.
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 21/08/2023 12:09 am, Sawfish wrote:Only smart thing he did was to retire in time before Laver etc came on the scene, who would have crushed him like a bug! Borg did not and got whipped by Mac, before he was manhandled by Lendl, Haarhuis, Annacone and my aunt!
On 8/20/23 1:19 AM, Whisper wrote:He was an intelligent and articulate guy, smarter than most tennis
On 20/08/2023 12:50 am, Sawfish wrote:If there is a Wikipedia entry for "Aussie", Hoad's picture should be
On 8/19/23 2:47 AM, Whisper wrote:
Great find, Whisp! Thanks for linking this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WobReZDOAB8&t=205s
First, what in the hell do you think about the surface? Shiny! I had >>>>> played in a little tournament back in the 70s at the college courts
and they were due to be resurfaced the next year. They were
incredibly fast. Everything stayed low and ran back at you real fast. >>>>> It *looked* like that.
It's a wood court. I've played on a basketball court and it was a bit >>>> like this. The ball actually accelerates after the bounce, rebound
effect, which is opposite to what you see on normal courts.
No benches, huh? No wussed out concessions to the poor, tired players. >>>> You suck it up, fitness is a part of sport.
Serve technique has evolved a lot. Gonzales was a bit more
conventional, but neither player did much of a knee bend--to a
degree, Hoad seemed to torque around his left foot.
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, eg he
had to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments
to give receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't
have both feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
Finally, there was something of Federer's grace in Gonzales' movement. >>>>>
Great treat!!!
Yes, and this was years past his best. In this match he actually came >>>> out of retirement to earn more money for his tennis resorts.
Man imagine if we could have matches involving peak Hoad, Laver,
Pancho, McEnroe on grass with wood rackets. Couldn't get any better.
right there up at the top.
players. He was also good looking and arguably the best tennis player
of all time. Talk about winning the genetic lottery!
On 8/20/23 7:17 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 20/08/2023 9:12 pm, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:34:04 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>>> On 20.8.2023 11.19, Whisper wrote:
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, egWas this a because-of-Gonzalez rule? That you had to have feet on the
he had
to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments to
give
receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't have both >>>>> feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
ground? If we still had a rule like that, we'd have to have another
hawkeye to enforce it. Some things are better forgotten.
Anyways, not much point in bending the knees much, if you aren't
allowed
to lift off.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
Serena W would have beaten these bozos 606060606060
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-the-williams-sisters-vs-karsten-braasch-the-world-no-203-destroyed-serena-williams-venus-williams-battle-sexes
Hoad and Pancho would crush Braasch like a bug 61 60.
Braasch of the changeover cigarette break?
On 8/20/2023 10:14 AM, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/20/23 7:17 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 20/08/2023 9:12 pm, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:34:04 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>>>> On 20.8.2023 11.19, Whisper wrote:
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, egWas this a because-of-Gonzalez rule? That you had to have feet on the >>>>> ground? If we still had a rule like that, we'd have to have another
he had
to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments
to give
receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't have both >>>>>> feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
hawkeye to enforce it. Some things are better forgotten.
Anyways, not much point in bending the knees much, if you aren't
allowed
to lift off.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
Serena W would have beaten these bozos 606060606060
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-the-williams-sisters-vs-karsten-braasch-the-world-no-203-destroyed-serena-williams-venus-williams-battle-sexes
Hoad and Pancho would crush Braasch like a bug 61 60.
Braasch of the changeover cigarette break?
Yep, that's him.
On 20.8.2023 20.44, Scall5 wrote:
On 8/20/2023 10:14 AM, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/20/23 7:17 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 20/08/2023 9:12 pm, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:34:04 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 20.8.2023 11.19, Whisper wrote:
They had special serve rules because Gonzales was so dominant, eg >>>>>> he hadWas this a because-of-Gonzalez rule? That you had to have feet on the >>>>> ground? If we still had a rule like that, we'd have to have another >>>>> hawkeye to enforce it. Some things are better forgotten.
to stand 3 feet beyond baseline when serving in some tournaments >>>>>> to give
receiver more time, and wasn't allowed to jump ie couldn't have both >>>>>> feet off ground at contact. He still dominated on serve.
Anyways, not much point in bending the knees much, if you aren't
allowed
to lift off.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
Serena W would have beaten these bozos 606060606060
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-the-williams-sisters-vs-karsten-braasch-the-world-no-203-destroyed-serena-williams-venus-williams-battle-sexes
Hoad and Pancho would crush Braasch like a bug 61 60.
Braasch of the changeover cigarette break?
Yep, that's him.A bit of huffing and puffing, and down goes Gonzalez.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
He was an intelligent and articulate guy, smarter than most tennis
players. He was also good looking and arguably the best tennis player
of all time. Talk about winning the genetic lottery!
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