• bne IntelliNews - Russia overtakes Germany to become fifth biggest econ

    From *skriptis@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 9 11:09:44 2023
    https://www.intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-germany-to-become-fifth-biggest-economy-in-the-world-in-gdp-on-a-ppp-basis-286944/


    Russia overtakes Germany to become fifth biggest economy in the world in GDP on a PPP basis

    In nominal terms Russia's economy is about the size of Italy, but in PPP terms it just overtook Germany, and if you count in the size of its industry and the wealth of its raw materials then it is a lot more powerful player in the global economy than it
    seems. / bne IntelliNews


    By Ben Aris in Berlin August 7, 2023


    The late US Senator John McCain once called Russia a “gas station masquerading as a country” and the fact that Russia’s nominal GDP is about the same as Italy’s has long been used to dismiss it as unimportant.

    However, economists have long argued that considering only Russia’s nominal GDP of around $2 trillion is to underestimate its economic strength. Arguably, the belittling of Russia over the last decade has led Western leaders to badly miscalculate how
    vulnerable the Kremlin is to sanctions.

    Looking at GDP in PPP (purchasing power parity) terms removes price level differences and allows a better comparison, especially of living standards, between countries.

    In these terms Russia has just overtaken Germany to become the fifth wealthiest economy in the world and the largest in Europe, worth $5.3 trillion.

    The PPP valuation of the economy works because the ruble equivalent of $1 can buy a lot more than $1 can buy in the US, something the Economist captured with its famous Big Mac Index: currently a Big Mac costs $5.15 in the US and the Russian equivalent (
    McDonalds was taken over by a Russian analogue last year and has since become the fast food market leader) cost $2.44 in July.

    Sanctions on Russia were designed to impoverish Russia and make it impossible to perpetrate its war in Ukraine, but as the rest of Europe slides into recession, the Russian economy has proved to be remarkably robust after a sharp initial downturn. The
    IMF upgraded its economic outlook for this year again to 0.7% growth in April, while the official forecast is for something closer to 2%. Likewise, oil sanctions imposed on December 5 and February 5 were supposed to cut the Kremlin off from its main
    source of income, but as bne IntelliNews reported, budget revenues surged in June as oil exports completed their switch from Europe to Asia, and Russia Inc. is back in profit.

    “Sanctions were supposed to crush the Russian economy. Instead, it's now bigger than Germany's (and when you cut out services, and focus only on industry and manufacturing, which is what counts in war, probably bigger than that.) The cost to Europe?
    Deindustrialisation, inflation," D M Collingwood, the editor of BritanniQ, said in a tweet.

    However, some academics say even the PPP assessment underestimates the power of Russia’s economy. In the last decades Western economies have seen services rapidly grow in importance, but Russia’s economy remains heavily weighted towards the
    manufacturing and industrial end of the spectrum. In a war, having a large industrial base is a big advantage, as the rate a country can produce arms is a key factor in the fight. In these terms Russia is even bigger than Germany, itself no mean
    industrial country, according to research by Jacques Sapir.

    “Simple GDP statistics have arguably lulled the West into a false sense of security. By GDP, Western economies appear dominant and their capacity to impose sanctions decisive. But the West’s reliance on service sectors – and the relative weakness
    of directly productive sectors like manufacturing, mining, and agriculture – introduces critical vulnerabilities in goods production and supply chains. In times of peace and unimpeded trade, such vulnerabilities may seem insignificant. In periods of
    deglobalisation, geopolitical competition and state-versus-state con­flict, however, these weaknesses can have profound impacts, while basic productive sectors take on greater importance,” Sapir said.

    GDP measures wealth, but it fails to capture the real value of the buying power of the currency in the way the Big Mac index does. But both these measures fail to capture the productive capacities of a country from its industry. Put more simply: the Big
    Mac index tells you how many burgers you can buy with a ruble but it says nothing about how many burgers a day Russia can make and how that compares with the US burger-making capacity.

    Looking at just nominal GDP, then Russia’s share of the global economy was 1.9% in 2019, against US’ 24.4% and China’s 16.4%, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

    In PPP terms Russia does better with a 3.1% share of adjusted global GDP, with the US falling into second place with 15% against China’s 17.3% as the world leader.

    “The exchange rate method [nominal GDP] significantly underestimates the size of the Chinese and Russian economies,” says Sapir. “Using the exchange rate method, the size of the Russian economy is half that of Germany’s and around 130 percent of
    Spain’s. China, while growing more rapidly, is around two-thirds of the US economy in 2019. With the PPP method, however, the profile of the Russian and Chinese economies changes drastically. The Russian economy almost becomes the equal of the German
    economy, while the Chinese economy reached parity with the US economy in 2016 and has since taken a slight lead.”

    The importance of the productive sector

    Productive capacity skews the picture even further towards Russia and China. The service sectors have grown more rapidly than goods production and form an increasing share of Western economies, which during the globalisation drive of the last two decades
    exported an increasing number of their productive work to emerging markets, and China in particular. That has become relevant in the last three years as first the global pandemic and then the clash with Russia has started to undo the globalisation in an
    increasingly fractured world. Nearshoring has taken over as the driver of emerging market investment that looks for cheaper labour, but also shorter supply chains.

    “During wartime, services lose their importance relative to agriculture, industry and construction. It then becomes necessary to calculate the share of the goods-producing sectors across different economies in order to have an accurate understanding of
    how they really compare,” says Sapir.

    Russia is situated between China, where services represent only 49% of GDP, and countries like the United States, France and Italy, where services represent at least 75% of GDP. Germany is in an intermediate position, with 69% of its GDP coming from
    services. Russia’s position can be explained by the size of its industrial and agricultural sectors – a makeup that affects its real weight.

    Looking at the share of productive industry in Russia’s economy compared to Germany and France – both nominally bigger than Russia – and Germany is only 90% of Russia’s size in terms of productive industry, while France is a mere 44% of Russia’
    s industrial power. China is even further ahead, with Germany equivalent to only 11% of China’s productive industry, and even the US is only 34% of China’s productive power.

    “Russia and China’s GDP are significantly larger when we consider only directly productive activities. China’s economy becomes nine times stronger than Germany’s and three times as strong as that of the United States. The Russian economy also
    ends up outranking the German economy and clocks in at more than twice as strong as the French economy. This completely changes our vision of these economies – far from the claims that Russia ranks at the same level as Spain or that China still lags
    far behind the United States,” Sapir argues.

    Innovation index

    However, the analysis can’t end with just having a lot of big factories. The quality of what they make also plays an important role. And on this score Russia falls down, as it remains heavily dependent on Western technology, as bne IntelliNews reported
    in a deep dive into Russia’s precision tools sector, the Kremlin’s soft sanctions underbelly.

    Innovation can be measured imperfectly by counting the number of patents filed each year, or by the cutting-edge technology content of the goods produced.

    Russia used to have world-class scientific research, especially strong in the hard sciences, but it collapsed after the fall of the Soviet Union and as bne IntelliNews reported, it has missed out on two revolutions in technology since then. It has little
    chance of catching up in the next few generations. China, however, as the table shows, has invested heavily in technology and has already surpassed the West in several important areas, renewable technology and manufacturing being key among them.

    “With this indicator, China still comes out on top by a wide margin, but Russia falls back to sixth position. More broadly, the combined number of patents from China and Russia is almost double that of the United States, Japan, South Korea, Germany,
    France and the UK combined, giving us an idea of the balance of power on this front,” says Sapir.

    Key commodities

    The final factor to consider is to assess a country’s role in the export of key inputs. Russia has a cornucopia of raw materials and dominates the export of many critical products needed by industry. In this respect, Russia far outstrips China, which
    is bereft of major raw material resources, although it has become a world leader in the processing of exotic materials such as rare earths that are key in any number of industries.

    Russia is amongst the world’s biggest producers of oil, gas, grain, timber and a wide variety of metals that are hard to source elsewhere, such as titanium. It is also a major producer of uranium, but like China, it has also become the leading refiner
    of uranium to make U235, the nuclear fuel. Both Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan are major sources of uranium, but neither of them has any refining capacity and rely on Russia.

    Russia’s ability to affect oil prices by limiting production, and to throttle things like aviation and EV development by restricting the export of titanium or copper, gives it enormous market power. Its importance to the global nuclear fuel market
    means that the West has so far shied away from imposing sanctions on Russia’s nuclear business.

    “In 2019, Russia was the world’s second-largest producer of platinum, cobalt and vanadium, the third-largest producer of gold and nickel, the fourth-largest producer of silver and phosphates, the fifth-largest producer of iron ore, and the sixth-
    largest producer of uranium and lead. The main product of Russian agriculture is cereals; Russia is the world’s largest exporter of wheat and the largest producer of barley, buckwheat, oats and rye, as well as the second-largest producer of sunflower
    seeds,” says Sapir. “Of course, Russia is the world’s largest exporter of gas (and has the world’s largest reserves) and the second-largest exporter of crude oil. This gives Russia, beyond its industrial capacities, a central position in the raw
    materials trade, a position that explains its alliance with China. Any interruption or sharp reduction in trade with Russia is likely to cause major disruptions in commodity markets.”

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 9 13:15:07 2023
    *skriptis kirjoitti 9.8.2023 klo 12.09:
    Looking at GDP in PPP (purchasing power parity) terms removes price level differences and allows a better comparison, especially of living standards, between > countries.

    Yeah, Russian people are really living it up.
    In their 60 year old tanks. Oozing of wealth, prosperity and vodka.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Wed Aug 9 13:03:59 2023
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis kirjoitti 9.8.2023 klo 12.09:> Looking at GDP in PPP (purchasing power parity) terms removes price level differences and allows a better comparison, especially of living standards, between > countries.Yeah, Russian people are really living it
    up.In their 60 year old tanks. Oozing of wealth, prosperity and vodka.



    But they're free.

    ZOG doesn't tell them how to live.


    You otoh must do everything that Jews tell you to do. Import dark people to replace Finns, transsexualize your kids, and so on.

    To each his own.


    If you just kept it to yourself, Russia wouldn't mind, you are by being replaced and are disappearing, so no problem for Russia, however you unprovokedly attacked Russia and you will pay the price.



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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 9 14:44:48 2023
    On 9.8.2023 14.03, *skriptis wrote:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis kirjoitti 9.8.2023 klo 12.09:> Looking at GDP in PPP (purchasing power parity) terms removes price level differences and allows a better comparison, especially of living standards, between > countries.Yeah, Russian people are really living
    it up.In their 60 year old tanks. Oozing of wealth, prosperity and vodka.



    But they're free.

    ZOG doesn't tell them how to live.


    You otoh must do everything that Jews tell you to do. Import dark people to replace Finns, transsexualize your kids, and so on.

    To each his own.


    If you just kept it to yourself, Russia wouldn't mind, you are by being replaced and are disappearing, so no problem for Russia, however you unprovokedly attacked Russia and you will pay the price.

    Not the iron price, I hope.

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  • From jdeluise@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Wed Aug 9 07:24:21 2023
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    *skriptis kirjoitti 9.8.2023 klo 12.09:
    Looking at GDP in PPP (purchasing power parity) terms removes price
    level differences and allows a better comparison, especially of
    living standards, between > countries.

    Yeah, Russian people are really living it up. In their 60 year old
    tanks. Oozing of wealth, prosperity and vodka.

    And apparently they raised the conscription age recently. "Comrade
    Josef Bidenovich, report to the front lines immediately!" My question,
    why haven't they tapped in to their willing croatian cannon fodder yet?
    rst has a volunteer!

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  • From jdeluise@21:1/5 to skriptis@post.t-com.hr on Wed Aug 9 09:50:00 2023
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

    Very strange comment.

    A bizarre dude allegedly worrying about conscription age in Russian Federation?

    It speaks to what a shithole Putin's Russia has become. You can be a
    family patriarch, a great-great grandfather with 200 descendants, ready
    for retirement after a lifetime of factory work and instead end up
    dying in a latrine in Bakhmut.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to jdeluise on Wed Aug 9 19:34:48 2023
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:> *skriptis kirjoitti 9.8.2023 klo 12.09:>> Looking at GDP in PPP (purchasing power parity) terms removes price>> level differences and allows a better comparison, especially of>> living standards, between > countries.>> Yeah,
    Russian people are really living it up. In their 60 year old> tanks. Oozing of wealth, prosperity and vodka.And apparently they raised the conscription age recently. "ComradeJosef Bidenovich, report to the front lines immediately!" My question,why
    haven't they tapped in to their willing croatian cannon fodder yet?rst has a volunteer!


    Very strange comment.

    A bizarre dude allegedly worrying about conscription age in Russian Federation?



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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 9 21:13:23 2023
    jdeluise kirjoitti 9.8.2023 klo 20.50:
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

    Very strange comment.

    A bizarre dude allegedly worrying about conscription age in Russian
    Federation?

    It speaks to what a shithole Putin's Russia has become. You can be a
    family patriarch, a great-great grandfather with 200 descendants, ready
    for retirement after a lifetime of factory work and instead end up
    dying in a latrine in Bakhmut.

    Nicely put.

    I didn't realize they have raised their conscription age to 70!
    I assume this is to match age of Russian military equipment. :)

    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-raises-elderly-army-serviceman-70-deemed-eligible-russia-ukraine-1814670

    "The age for men with the highest ranks in the reserves can be called up "remains" at 70. For other senior ranks it has risen to up to 65, while
    for junior officers, it is now up until the age of 60. Meanwhile,
    general reservists can be brought back into service until the age of 55,
    10 years older than previously."

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to jdeluise on Wed Aug 9 20:33:50 2023
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Very strange comment.>> A bizarre dude allegedly worrying about conscription age in Russian> Federation?It speaks to what a shithole Putin's Russia has
    become. You can be afamily patriarch, a great-great grandfather with 200 descendants, readyfor retirement after a lifetime of factory work and instead end updying in a latrine in Bakhmut.



    So you prefer young Russians to die defending their motherland from US Jewish aggression, young men who haven't fathered any children yet?

    Meanwhile old farts should outlive them?

    For what purpose?


    It would only help global US Jewry if young quality stock of Russians die, no?



    I'd say Putin's Russia is avantgarde in this sense, they finally have it the way it is meant to be.


    Plus it's easier to die in your 50s knowing you're dying to save your kids and grandkids than it is to die at 18.


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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 9 11:48:18 2023
    On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 11:33:55 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
    jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> writes:> jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Very strange comment.>> A bizarre dude allegedly worrying about conscription age in Russian> Federation?It speaks to what a shithole Putin's Russia has
    become. You can be afamily patriarch, a great-great grandfather with 200 descendants, readyfor retirement after a lifetime of factory work and instead end updying in a latrine in Bakhmut.



    So you prefer young Russians to die defending their motherland from US Jewish aggression, young men who haven't fathered any children yet?

    Meanwhile old farts should outlive them?

    For what purpose?


    It would only help global US Jewry if young quality stock of Russians die, no?



    I'd say Putin's Russia is avantgarde in this sense, they finally have it the way it is meant to be.

    Post-modern, yes. A final solution.

    Plus it's easier to die in your 50s knowing you're dying to save your kids and grandkids than it is to die at 18.

    There is a certain sick logic to your thinking. But Putin is taking the young kids too, so... nope!

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to skriptis@post.t-com.hr on Thu Aug 10 16:43:37 2023
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
    But they're free.

    I am laughing aloud here. Holy fuck, hahahahahaa! :-)

    I have to shake my fucking head in disbelief. Oh no!

    Are you insane? Do you seriously think that Russians
    are free? All the freedoms in Putler's Russia are gone.

    There is no free speech, no democracy, no fucking nothing.

    Russia is a completely fucked up country that is
    probably impossible to repair. It is a very evil empire
    ruled by very evil Putler and his very evil allies.

    The Western World must stand united against that evil
    empire. Many thanks to all who oppose Putler's Russia.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Thu Aug 10 16:50:17 2023
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:
    Yeah, Russian people are really living it up.
    In their 60 year old tanks. Oozing of wealth,
    prosperity and vodka.

    Hahahaa! :-)

    Yeah, I sure hope that they have access to very
    cheap vodka and that they drink it every single
    fucking day.

    br,
    KK

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to jdeluise on Fri Aug 18 02:51:40 2023
    On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 18:50:07 UTC+1, jdeluise wrote:
    *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

    Very strange comment.

    A bizarre dude allegedly worrying about conscription age in Russian Federation?
    It speaks to what a shithole Putin's Russia has become. You can be a
    family patriarch, a great-great grandfather with 200 descendants, ready
    for retirement after a lifetime of factory work and instead end up
    dying in a latrine in Bakhmut.

    why have you only got two 80 year old men as candidates to be president?

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Aug 18 02:50:32 2023
    On Thursday, 10 August 2023 at 17:43:39 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
    But they're free.

    I am laughing aloud here. Holy fuck, hahahahahaa! :-)

    I have to shake my fucking head in disbelief. Oh no!

    Are you insane? Do you seriously think that Russians
    are free? All the freedoms in Putler's Russia are gone.

    There is no free speech, no democracy, no fucking nothing.

    Russia is a completely fucked up country that is
    probably impossible to repair. It is a very evil empire
    ruled by very evil Putler and his very evil allies.

    The Western World must stand united against that evil
    empire. Many thanks to all who oppose Putler's Russia.

    in the USA you can't even ask what a woman is, without the show being cancelled on TV, YouTube just announced they're banning any videos that "disagree with what the WHO say", moves are being made to stop debate on climate change too. How is that free?

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to jdeluise on Fri Aug 18 12:26:35 2023
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Very strange comment.>> A bizarre dude allegedly worrying about conscription age in Russian> Federation?It speaks to what a shithole Putin's Russia has
    become. You can be afamily patriarch, a great-great grandfather with 200 descendants, readyfor retirement after a lifetime of factory work and instead end updying in a latrine in Bakhmut.



    Are you mocking guys who died in North vs South war the same way?

    Shitting their pants and dying in sand or dirt?

    Haha so funny what a shithole Lincoln's America.


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