Corrupted minds and souls

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html



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On 8/3/23 7:41 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Corrupted minds and souls

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html

I don't have any trouble in accepting the idea that it's very poor
policy to *uncontrollably* free sequestered carbon into the atmosphere;
this is where I'm in basic agreement with most of the fearful wokesters
who want to reflexively dump their own carbon-freeing possessions: car, cooking, heating. They want to do this without delay because they've
been frightened by their trusted leaders, and what's more, they want
*everyone else* to also do this, tout suite.  No questions asked.

The problem is that I'm far from being convinced that the touted ways to
"go green" are not almost as bad--or who knows?...worse--than the
current carbon regime, with continued regulation and technological
improvement. And the fact that any drawbacks to the shiny, rosy
electrified future are left unsaid, and when brought to light,
pooh-poohed as trivial.

I do strongly suspect that the current stampede toward electricity in
its current form is simply enabling well-placed companies and
individuals to make a big shitload of money that has been driven their
way by public policy, such as are in force in CA.

So for me, it's not so much an either/or: either ignore weather physics
or leap wholeheartedly over to electricity. It's more like accept the
physics, but question if the current statements and policy shifts are
really any better.

Especially in the short/mid term because face it: this generation of
humans needs to  take care of itself, and its immediate progeny, and
each subsequent generation needs to do the same. I'm philosophically
unwilling to make personal sacrifices for generations into the future. I
feel little to no personal obligation to humanity as a whole, now or in
the future.

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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

Corrupted minds and souls

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html
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^^^ Note that He wrote this from a phone... with a battery... containing
cobalt likely from this very same mine.

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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 8/3/23 7:41 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Corrupted minds and souls>> https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html>>>I don't have any trouble in accepting the idea that it's very poor policy to *

uncontrollably* free sequestered carbon into the atmosphere; this is where I'm in basic agreement with most of the fearful wokesters who want to reflexively dump their own carbon-freeing possessions: car, cooking, heating. They want to do this without
delay because they've been frightened by their trusted leaders, and what's more, they want *everyone else* to also do this, tout suite. No questions asked.The problem is that I'm far from being convinced that the touted ways to "go green" are not almost
as bad--or who knows?...worse--than the current carbon regime, with continued regulation and technological improvement. And the fact that any drawbacks to the shiny, rosy electrified future are left unsaid, and when brought to light, pooh-poohed as
trivial.I do strongly suspect that the current stampede toward electricity in its current form is simply enabling well-placed companies and individuals to make a big shitload of money that has been driven their way by public policy, such as are in force
in CA.So for me, it's not so much an either/or: either ignore weather physics or leap wholeheartedly over to electricity. It's more like accept the physics, but question if the current statements and policy shifts are really any better.Especially in the
short/mid term because face it: this generation of humans needs to take care of itself, and its immediate progeny, and each subsequent generation needs to do the same. I'm philosophically unwilling to make personal sacrifices for generations into the
future. I feel little to no personal obligation to humanity as a whole, now or in the future.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Sawfish: A totally unreconstructed elasmobranch.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I agree with everything, the same exact thoughts, well written.
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> Corrupted minds and souls>> https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html> -->>>>> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----> https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.

amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html^^^ Note that He wrote this from a phone... with a battery... containingcobalt likely from this very same mine.

One electric car battery has enough material for 10,000 to 20,000 phones.

10 million new EV per year, carry material that is equivalent to 100-200 billion phones batteries.

But only about 1.5 billion phones get sold per year.






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On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:21:33 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:

jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:> Corrupted minds and souls>> https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html> -->>>>> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----> https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.

amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html^^^ Note that He wrote this from a phone... with a battery... containingcobalt likely from this very same mine.

One electric car battery has enough material for 10,000 to 20,000 phones.

10 million new EV per year, carry material that is equivalent to 100-200 billion phones batteries.

But only about 1.5 billion phones get sold per year.

Damn, dude! How many phones do you own? If you have 1 EV, that's 15M iPhones. Or are you an Android guy?

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bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> writes:

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:21:33 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:

jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:> Corrupted minds and

souls>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html>

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https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html^^^ Note
that He wrote this from a phone... with a battery... containingcobalt
likely from this very same mine.

One electric car battery has enough material for 10,000 to 20,000
phones.

10 million new EV per year, carry material that is equivalent to
100-200 billion phones batteries.

But only about 1.5 billion phones get sold per year.

Damn, dude! How many phones do you own? If you have 1 EV, that's 15M
iPhones. Or are you an Android guy?

Well, let's put it in perspective. EVs account for only a third of the
total demand for cobalt. And this is in a period of extreme growth for
EVs as they disrupt the existing market.

At any rate, I'm not sold on the perceived positive environmental
benefit of EVs either, much of the cost is just being shifted from one
industry to another.

But let's not pretend it's "evil" to own an EV or the sign of a
corrupted mind, while continuing to use lithium batteries in every other
device you use. Those mines are going to be there whether you are using
them for EV batteries or cell phone batteries. I assure you the poor
miners don't see the difference.

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jdeluise kirjoitti 3.8.2023 klo 23.03:

bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> writes:

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:21:33 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky
wrote:

jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:> Corrupted minds
and

souls>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html>

----Android NewsGroup Reader---->

https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html^^^
Note that He wrote this from a phone... with a battery...
containingcobalt likely from this very same mine.

One electric car battery has enough material for 10,000 to
20,000 phones.

10 million new EV per year, carry material that is equivalent to
100-200 billion phones batteries.

But only about 1.5 billion phones get sold per year.

Damn, dude! How many phones do you own? If you have 1 EV, that's
15M iPhones. Or are you an Android guy?

Well, let's put it in perspective. EVs account for only a third of
the total demand for cobalt. And this is in a period of extreme
growth for EVs as they disrupt the existing market.

At any rate, I'm not sold on the perceived positive environmental
benefit of EVs either, much of the cost is just being shifted from
one industry to another.

But let's not pretend it's "evil" to own an EV or the sign of a
corrupted mind, while continuing to use lithium batteries in every
other device you use. Those mines are going to be there whether you
are using them for EV batteries or cell phone batteries. I assure
you the poor miners don't see the difference.

EVs are also great at burning. Some ferries don't let them inside, for a
good reason.
We'll get even more magnificent explosions with hydrogen cars. But
hydrogen economy is a doomed from the start, it just won't work.

Btw, are you still into crypto?
I bought 25k worth of healthcare stocks last week. Global & US only.
Long term investing.
The S&P500 and Nasdaq indexes just aren't very attractive with current
AI bubble & possible recession looming. I'm not that impressed with AI
really, gives me around 50% incorrect answers if I ask about statistics
etc. Had to teach Bard math yesterday.

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PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 3.8.2023 klo 17.41:

Corrupted minds and souls

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html

How dare you!

https://youtu.be/O2hi1cdr4jY

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On 8/5/23 5:36 AM, TT wrote:

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 3.8.2023 klo 17.41:

Corrupted minds and souls

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html

How dare you!

https://youtu.be/O2hi1cdr4jY

Boy, she's much worse live than in photos, huh?

You gotta wonder about the home life. As they say, the apple falls close
to the trunk, and her mom is probably the template.

What a beaten-down pussy her father must be...

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PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 5.8.2023 klo 17.23:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 3.8.2023 klo 17.41:> Corrupted minds and souls> > https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html> How dare you!https://youtu.be/O2hi1cdr4jY

Omg, you didn't have to show me this :)

It's a modern classic.

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TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 3.8.2023 klo 17.41:> Corrupted minds and souls> > https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/phone-electric-vehicle-congo-cobalt-mine-b2277665.html> How dare you!https://youtu.be/O2hi1cdr4jY

Omg, you didn't have to show me this :)
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