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  • Re: Donald J. Trump is the greatest president since George Washington

    From MBDunc@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Wed Aug 2 04:52:35 2023
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:27:38 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    In rec.sport.tennis Lou Bricador wrote:
    He makes Obama look like a warthog bottom boy behind a 7-11 counter.
    Donald Trump is actually the worst president that United States of
    America has ever seen. This guy is even worse than completely
    crazy Richard Nixon.

    br,
    KK

    Nixon is worse. He made things worse.

    Trump just strengthened current "worse conditions". Being Putin's lapdog is not also CV worth stuff.

    But I know, there is unchained love for both....(and for a reason ... maybe at least for Trump - reasons being mightily strange? )

    .mikko

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Wed Aug 2 07:21:14 2023
    On 8/2/23 4:52 AM, MBDunc wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:27:38 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    In rec.sport.tennis Lou Bricador wrote:
    He makes Obama look like a warthog bottom boy behind a 7-11 counter.
    Donald Trump is actually the worst president that United States of
    America has ever seen. This guy is even worse than completely
    crazy Richard Nixon.

    br,
    KK
    Nixon is worse. He made things worse.

    mikko, do you recall Nixon?

    Definitely at the time I loathed the man, as almost every college-age
    male did because in spite of trying to convince voters during the 1968
    pres campaign, he had no real intent to pull out of Vietnam in the short
    term. So it looked to me like he was trying to get me killed.

    Plus, he was about as square as a person could be, unlike people like
    RFK, etc. Scored 0 on the charisma test.

    But over a long period I came to the conclusion that he was an intellectually/politically gifted man who was also both paranoid and
    personally insecure.

    Unlike Trump, Nixon actually had well-conceived policies, and he may
    have even been motivated to lead the US in a generally positive
    direction. But he was so insecure as to resort to spy-like hijinx to
    retain power.


    Trump just strengthened current "worse conditions". Being Putin's lapdog is not also CV worth stuff.

    But I know, there is unchained love for both....(and for a reason ... maybe at least for Trump - reasons being mightily strange? )
    The only reason Trump could have looked good to many was that he
    followed Obama. If there had been no Obama, Trump would still be trying
    to be an entertainer on TV, and a general huckster everywhere else.

    .mikko


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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Wed Aug 2 19:19:00 2023
    On 2.8.2023 17.21, Sawfish wrote:
    The only reason Trump could have looked good to many was that he
    followed Obama.

    Yes. Obama made the "you didn't build that" speech. A Birtherist
    suddenly looked good.

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Wed Aug 2 09:36:55 2023
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:21:17 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/2/23 4:52 AM, MBDunc wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:27:38 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    In rec.sport.tennis Lou Bricador wrote:
    He makes Obama look like a warthog bottom boy behind a 7-11 counter.
    Donald Trump is actually the worst president that United States of
    America has ever seen. This guy is even worse than completely
    crazy Richard Nixon.

    br,
    KK
    Nixon is worse. He made things worse.
    mikko, do you recall Nixon?

    Definitely at the time I loathed the man, as almost every college-age
    male did because in spite of trying to convince voters during the 1968
    pres campaign, he had no real intent to pull out of Vietnam in the short term. So it looked to me like he was trying to get me killed.

    Plus, he was about as square as a person could be, unlike people like
    RFK, etc. Scored 0 on the charisma test.

    But over a long period I came to the conclusion that he was an intellectually/politically gifted man who was also both paranoid and personally insecure.

    Unlike Trump, Nixon actually had well-conceived policies, and he may
    have even been motivated to lead the US in a generally positive
    direction. But he was so insecure as to resort to spy-like hijinx to
    retain power.

    Trump just strengthened current "worse conditions". Being Putin's lapdog is not also CV worth stuff.

    But I know, there is unchained love for both....(and for a reason ... maybe at least for Trump - reasons being mightily strange? )
    The only reason Trump could have looked good to many was that he
    followed Obama. If there had been no Obama, Trump would still be trying
    to be an entertainer on TV, and a general huckster everywhere else.

    There was a room for a trump-type for a reason, too bad US got real Trump with attention span for 1sec and no knowledge and with very irrational results.

    But I count all of this as a "reality check". Democracy has to be able to sustain this also? (though I kind of find it funny how none of parties are not able to produce anything but geriatric candidates......

    .mikko

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Wed Aug 2 09:49:11 2023
    On 8/2/23 9:36 AM, MBDunc wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:21:17 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/2/23 4:52 AM, MBDunc wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:27:38 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >>>> In rec.sport.tennis Lou Bricador wrote:
    He makes Obama look like a warthog bottom boy behind a 7-11 counter.
    Donald Trump is actually the worst president that United States of
    America has ever seen. This guy is even worse than completely
    crazy Richard Nixon.

    br,
    KK
    Nixon is worse. He made things worse.
    mikko, do you recall Nixon?

    Definitely at the time I loathed the man, as almost every college-age
    male did because in spite of trying to convince voters during the 1968
    pres campaign, he had no real intent to pull out of Vietnam in the short
    term. So it looked to me like he was trying to get me killed.

    Plus, he was about as square as a person could be, unlike people like
    RFK, etc. Scored 0 on the charisma test.

    But over a long period I came to the conclusion that he was an
    intellectually/politically gifted man who was also both paranoid and
    personally insecure.

    Unlike Trump, Nixon actually had well-conceived policies, and he may
    have even been motivated to lead the US in a generally positive
    direction. But he was so insecure as to resort to spy-like hijinx to
    retain power.
    Trump just strengthened current "worse conditions". Being Putin's lapdog is not also CV worth stuff.

    But I know, there is unchained love for both....(and for a reason ... maybe at least for Trump - reasons being mightily strange? )
    The only reason Trump could have looked good to many was that he
    followed Obama. If there had been no Obama, Trump would still be trying
    to be an entertainer on TV, and a general huckster everywhere else.
    There was a room for a trump-type for a reason, too bad US got real Trump with attention span for 1sec and no knowledge and with very irrational results.
    No arguments there.

    But I count all of this as a "reality check". Democracy has to be able to sustain this also? (though I kind of find it funny how none of parties are not able to produce anything but geriatric candidates......

    Two points...it's not funny that the ascendant generation(s) seem to
    find no candidates for leadership who are able to build a large enough consensus to assume legitimate power. Why this is I don't know, but it
    seems unnatural.

    Second point: we always start with the assumption that democracy is the
    basis for good governance, but is this actually true? Naturally, I like thinking that I have some control over leadership/policy--it's all I've
    ever know, and was literally raised (indoctrinated?) to think this, and
    in a country as wealthy as the US was, and still is, there's lots of
    room for political inefficiency. But in point of fact, is western
    democracy an evolutionary mis-step, a 3000 old experiment with mixed
    success?

    I don't know the answer to this, but I think it's time to start thing
    about it.


    .mikko


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    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Reality is that thing that does not go away when you stop believing in it."

    --Sawfish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Wed Aug 2 10:29:16 2023
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/2/23 9:36 AM, MBDunc wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:21:17 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/2/23 4:52 AM, MBDunc wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:27:38 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    In rec.sport.tennis Lou Bricador wrote:
    He makes Obama look like a warthog bottom boy behind a 7-11 counter. >>>> Donald Trump is actually the worst president that United States of
    America has ever seen. This guy is even worse than completely
    crazy Richard Nixon.

    br,
    KK
    Nixon is worse. He made things worse.
    mikko, do you recall Nixon?

    Definitely at the time I loathed the man, as almost every college-age
    male did because in spite of trying to convince voters during the 1968
    pres campaign, he had no real intent to pull out of Vietnam in the short >> term. So it looked to me like he was trying to get me killed.

    Plus, he was about as square as a person could be, unlike people like
    RFK, etc. Scored 0 on the charisma test.

    But over a long period I came to the conclusion that he was an
    intellectually/politically gifted man who was also both paranoid and
    personally insecure.

    Unlike Trump, Nixon actually had well-conceived policies, and he may
    have even been motivated to lead the US in a generally positive
    direction. But he was so insecure as to resort to spy-like hijinx to
    retain power.
    Trump just strengthened current "worse conditions". Being Putin's lapdog is not also CV worth stuff.

    But I know, there is unchained love for both....(and for a reason ... maybe at least for Trump - reasons being mightily strange? )
    The only reason Trump could have looked good to many was that he
    followed Obama. If there had been no Obama, Trump would still be trying >> to be an entertainer on TV, and a general huckster everywhere else.
    There was a room for a trump-type for a reason, too bad US got real Trump with attention span for 1sec and no knowledge and with very irrational results.
    No arguments there.

    But I count all of this as a "reality check". Democracy has to be able to sustain this also? (though I kind of find it funny how none of parties are not able to produce anything but geriatric candidates......
    Two points...it's not funny that the ascendant generation(s) seem to
    find no candidates for leadership who are able to build a large enough consensus to assume legitimate power. Why this is I don't know, but it
    seems unnatural.

    Second point: we always start with the assumption that democracy is the basis for good governance, but is this actually true? Naturally, I like thinking that I have some control over leadership/policy--it's all I've
    ever know, and was literally raised (indoctrinated?) to think this, and
    in a country as wealthy as the US was, and still is, there's lots of
    room for political inefficiency. But in point of fact, is western
    democracy an evolutionary mis-step,

    No. I don't think so.

    a 3000 old experiment

    A far better experiment than letting King Biggus Dickus run the show.

    with mixed
    success?

    Yes.

    I don't know the answer to this, but I think it's time to start thing
    about it.

    Sure.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to bmoore on Wed Aug 2 11:02:15 2023
    On 8/2/23 10:29 AM, bmoore wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/2/23 9:36 AM, MBDunc wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:21:17 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/2/23 4:52 AM, MBDunc wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:27:38 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    In rec.sport.tennis Lou Bricador wrote:
    He makes Obama look like a warthog bottom boy behind a 7-11 counter. >>>>>> Donald Trump is actually the worst president that United States of >>>>>> America has ever seen. This guy is even worse than completely
    crazy Richard Nixon.

    br,
    KK
    Nixon is worse. He made things worse.
    mikko, do you recall Nixon?

    Definitely at the time I loathed the man, as almost every college-age
    male did because in spite of trying to convince voters during the 1968 >>>> pres campaign, he had no real intent to pull out of Vietnam in the short >>>> term. So it looked to me like he was trying to get me killed.

    Plus, he was about as square as a person could be, unlike people like
    RFK, etc. Scored 0 on the charisma test.

    But over a long period I came to the conclusion that he was an
    intellectually/politically gifted man who was also both paranoid and
    personally insecure.

    Unlike Trump, Nixon actually had well-conceived policies, and he may
    have even been motivated to lead the US in a generally positive
    direction. But he was so insecure as to resort to spy-like hijinx to
    retain power.
    Trump just strengthened current "worse conditions". Being Putin's lapdog is not also CV worth stuff.

    But I know, there is unchained love for both....(and for a reason ... maybe at least for Trump - reasons being mightily strange? )
    The only reason Trump could have looked good to many was that he
    followed Obama. If there had been no Obama, Trump would still be trying >>>> to be an entertainer on TV, and a general huckster everywhere else.
    There was a room for a trump-type for a reason, too bad US got real Trump with attention span for 1sec and no knowledge and with very irrational results.
    No arguments there.
    But I count all of this as a "reality check". Democracy has to be able to sustain this also? (though I kind of find it funny how none of parties are not able to produce anything but geriatric candidates......
    Two points...it's not funny that the ascendant generation(s) seem to
    find no candidates for leadership who are able to build a large enough
    consensus to assume legitimate power. Why this is I don't know, but it
    seems unnatural.

    Second point: we always start with the assumption that democracy is the
    basis for good governance, but is this actually true? Naturally, I like
    thinking that I have some control over leadership/policy--it's all I've
    ever know, and was literally raised (indoctrinated?) to think this, and
    in a country as wealthy as the US was, and still is, there's lots of
    room for political inefficiency. But in point of fact, is western
    democracy an evolutionary mis-step,
    No. I don't think so.

    a 3000 old experiment
    A far better experiment than letting King Biggus Dickus run the show.
    That would be, China, right?

    with mixed
    success?
    Yes.

    I don't know the answer to this, but I think it's time to start thing
    about it.
    Sure.

    Good exchange. Thanks.


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    --Sawfish

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  • From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Schadenfreude on Fri Aug 4 12:16:09 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:29:39 PM UTC-4, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza, posting in drag as Carol Kinsey
    Goman <c...@forbees.com> typed:
    On 8/3/2023 5:36 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 11:27:35 -0000 (UTC), kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) wrote:

    In rec.sport.tennis Lou Bricador <elgr...@ojete.maricona> wrote:
    He makes Obama look like a warthog bottom boy behind a 7-11 counter. >>>
    Donald Trump is actually the worst president that United States of
    America has ever seen. This guy is even worse than completely
    crazy Richard Nixon.

    br,
    KK

    Nixon was nowhere near being a bad President. He was a foreign policy genius and he
    disentangled us from the Democrats' ill fated war in Vietnam.

    Fuck off with that bullshit. Nixon *esccalated* the Vietnam war when first >elected, and he prolonged it by sabotaging the peace talks before the 1968 election.
    He wasn't President until 1969, you stupid dwarf. As usual, you have
    ZERO proof his campaign interfered with negotiations. And if your Alzheimer-ridden brain can recall, we got out of Vietnam under Nixon.

    A shame you didn't get drafted and killed over there.

    Nazi is back with his garbage posts, nixon was his hero, the trash can, impeached mofo!

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