The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would
bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point
in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025
and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions
are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo
hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false
climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted
before it didn't happen!

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Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would bring catastrophic climate impacts.Amoc was

already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point in 2021.The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050,
if global carbon emissions are not reduced.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggestsIn 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo hoo! They predicted the stream
would by gone by now. Another false climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted before it didn't happen!-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"--
Traditional



Climate mongering?


Jewish agenda.


Verdict:


Completely dismissed!




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On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 19:06:16 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:

Pelle Svanslös <pe...@svans.los> Wrote in message:r

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would bring catastrophic climate impacts.Amoc was

already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point in 2021.The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050,
if global carbon emissions are not reduced.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggestsIn 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo hoo! They predicted the stream
would by gone by now. Another false climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted before it didn't happen!-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"--
Traditional

Climate mongering?

Jewish agenda.

Verdict:

Completely dismissed!

yeah and apparently according to Pelle, bmoore and co we're the bad guys for saying this hoax won't happen, even though it won't happen! even better when we correctly predicted in 2020 Biden would start a war with Russia prob via the Ukraine we were also
the bad guys LOL

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On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 19:03:03 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point
in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025
and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions
are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo
hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false
climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted
before it didn't happen!

Yes cos as always with these lies it's "COULD..." "MIGHT HAPPEN..." "STUDIES SAY..." yet it never does. Yes it will be a totally FALSE prediction, tell you what are you too scared to put £100 to say the gulf stream won't collapse by 2025?

Global cooling or global warming?
https://i.imgflip.com/7tvy2w.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1e5HAZo4iw
Inconvenient Truth: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False | Facts Matter

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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 19:06:16 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:> Pelle Svanslös <pe...@svans.los> Wrote in message:r > > The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called

the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would bring catastrophic climate impacts.Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point in
2021.The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions are not reduced.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-
2025-study-suggestsIn 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was
predicted before it didn't happen!-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional > > > > Climate mongering? > > > Jewish agenda. > > > Verdict: > > > Completely dismissed! yeah and apparently according to
Pelle, bmoore and co we're the bad guys for saying this hoax won't happen, even though it won't happen! even better when we correctly predicted in 2020 Biden would start a war with Russia prob via the Ukraine we were also the bad guys LOL



Yes, but more accurately "continue the war", no? Biden didn't start it in 2022 he merely continued it.

Yes he rejected Putin's peace offer couple of months before Russia's special military operation begun.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/08/biden-didnt-accept-putins-red-line-on-ukraine-what-it-means.html



But that was not the start, Obama/Biden/Nulan started the war in 2014 when they deposed government of Ukraine.

Highest US state officials were encouraging street riots and disobedience on the streets of Kiev.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause



This one is even more hilarious:


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-victoria-nuland-wades-into-ukraine-turmoil-over-yanukovich/


UPDATED ON: DECEMBER 11, 2013 / 7:32 AM / CBS/WIRE SERVICES

KIEV -- U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland visited Independence Square in the Ukrainian capital Kiev on Wednesday, the U.S. embassy said, and an opposition leader said she talked to protesters.

...

Nuland’s highly symbolic appearance in the square came a day after Secretary of State John Kerry issued a strong statement, expressing the United States' "disgust with the decision of Ukrainian authorities to meet the peaceful protest ... with riot
police, bulldozers, and batons, rather than with respect for democratic rights and human dignity."





Imagine if Putin's officials were leading the January 6th peaceful protests, lol?




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On 27.7.2023 11.25, The Iceberg wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 19:03:03 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would
bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point
in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025
and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions
are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo
hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false
climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted
before it didn't happen!

Yes cos as always with these lies it's "COULD..." "MIGHT HAPPEN..." "STUDIES SAY..." yet it never does. Yes it will be a totally FALSE prediction, tell you what are you too scared to put £100 to say the gulf stream won't collapse by 2025?

Lol. You stepped right into it. Spectacular!

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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 13:40:24 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 27.7.2023 11.25, The Iceberg wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 19:03:03 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would >> bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point >> in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 >> and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions
are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo
hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false
climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted
before it didn't happen!

Yes cos as always with these lies it's "COULD..." "MIGHT HAPPEN..." "STUDIES SAY..." yet it never does. Yes it will be a totally FALSE prediction, tell you what are you too scared to put £100 to say the gulf stream won't collapse by 2025?

Lol. You stepped right into it. Spectacular!

Thanks! we need bmoore and sawfish to please comment too, let's see like this bit :
"The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions are not reduced. Evidence from past collapses indicates changes of temperature of 10C in a few decades,
although these occurred during ice ages."

Yes, let's make it a time frame up till 2095 becuz we're all dead by then, so no one can blame us if we're wrong. And let's base our estimates on changes during an ICE AGE.

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On 7/27/23 7:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 13:40:24 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 27.7.2023 11.25, The Iceberg wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 19:03:03 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would >>>> bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point >>>> in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 >>>> and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions
are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo
hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false
climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted
before it didn't happen!

Yes cos as always with these lies it's "COULD..." "MIGHT HAPPEN..." "STUDIES SAY..." yet it never does. Yes it will be a totally FALSE prediction, tell you what are you too scared to put £100 to say the gulf stream won't collapse by 2025?

Lol. You stepped right into it. Spectacular

Thanks! we need bmoore and sawfish to please comment too, let's see like this bit :
"The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions are not reduced. Evidence from past collapses indicates changes of temperature of 10C in a few decades,

although these occurred during ice ages."

Yes, let's make it a time frame up till 2095 becuz we're all dead by then, so no one can blame us if we're wrong. And let's base our estimates on changes during an ICE AGE.

Sure, I'll comment, Ice. I think some people--maybe you--misunderstand
where I stand on this, and that means I've failed to explain it well enough.

1) The earth's temperature has obviously changed a great deal over
time--both hotter and colder. We agree on this, right? Slithery
amphibians to woolly mammoths.

2) We're into a warming trend now. I can tell this *personally*. I've
had to install A/Cs in my rentals merely to remain competitive. I even
went so far as to install little ones in my house. I'm too cheap to cool
the entire house, you see.  Now besides just having to buy A/Cs, I've
followed the local temps and they are drifting upwards, both summer and
winter. I've also seen alpine glaciers on the west coast retreat
dramatically within my lifetime, and if I look at older photos, it's
more obvious still.

All this is stuff I've seen/felt, personally, and I've come to this
position from tending toward skepticism because, frankly, I don't trust
media to report anything in an unbiased manner.

So there's not any doubt in my mind that for at least the last 25 years
it's gotten warmer where I live. I'm as sure of this as I am that Dylan Mulvaney is a fucked-up male dressing in women's clothing. More sure,
actually, because I've never seen Mulvaney in person and have to rely on
the media.

3) It looks to me like this is happening elsewhere, since it makes sense
to me that a period of consistently warmer temps that's 25 years long is probably not isolated. I'm less sure of this because I haven't seen it personally, but it conforms with my working knowledge of how weather works.

4) Separately I read up on a) former global temperatures like the ones
that caused tropical vegetation in areas like the Antarctic, the Ice
Age, etc; b) the mechanism underlying the greenhouse effect--discovered
in 1824 and repeatedly tested *BEFORE* there was any controversy over
global warming; c) Milankovitch cycles, which rely on cyclical
variations of the earth tilt, eccentricity of orbit, and precession.

OK, those in #4b and #4c happen all the time and always have since the
earth was formed. They are relatively predictable and regular. They
cause changes in the earth temperature, both upward and downward.

But there's more: there are periods of intense vulcanism such as formed
the Deccan traps, this too factors into the greenhouse effect. These
periods can go on for hundreds of thousands of years, and will overlay
the Milankovitch cycles. They can make it warmer at a time in the cycle
when it should be getting cooler.

There's also periods of increased solar activity and these too can
overcome the cycles' trend.

You also get infrequent asteroid strikes, and they cause shorter term disruptions.

All this has been going on since the beginning of the earth and they
tend to "overlay" the predictable cycles.

And now there's a new one: human extraction of sequestered carbon and
freeing it as C02. Mainly from energy production and other localized activities. This too, like vulcanism, solar activity, asteroid strikes,
work counter to the cycles.

So, to me, working independently to piece this stuff together, this
looks like where we are now.

And I say: so what? Adapt or die. Same as an asteroid strike.

At least the dinosaurs were not whiners about the whole thing. ;^)

Now the arguments about climate change (which seems to me quite obvious)
are most vehement between parties who hate each other's guts. You have
Group A who loudly rant, beat their breasts, tear their hair, and rend
their clothing about the changing climate, and you have Group B, who hates/disrespects Group A for other, independent reasons--many of these
reasons being very sound, indeed--and who will never agree with Group A
on anything, even if the Titanic is 45 degrees bow down.

So that's how it looks to me. The phenomenon exists and I've checked
personally to my satisfaction. The argument comes from Group A, which is composed mostly of panicky barnyard fowl who get scared if an elephant
farts at the zoo, and jump on any revisionist bandwagon ALL THE TIME, announcing the change, and Group B, who hate them so much that they'd
never even agree with Group A that it gets dark at night.

So in the beginning of this big "debate", when both Groups heard if it,
Group A emotionally seized on it for yet another kvetching session, and
Group B reflexively pushed back at Group B, whom they rightly assess as terminal wusses.

I have never yet read a modern report on what is supposed to be
happening. I'm trying to assess it independently from pieces.

So far as the prediction about 2025, if forced (gun to head) to choose,
I'd say (with fair certainty) that it won't happen--that this is more wolf-crying by Group A.

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On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:41:29 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 13:40:24 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 27.7.2023 11.25, The Iceberg wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 19:03:03 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would >> bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point >> in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 >> and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions >> are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo >> hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false
climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted
before it didn't happen!

Yes cos as always with these lies it's "COULD..." "MIGHT HAPPEN..." "STUDIES SAY..." yet it never does. Yes it will be a totally FALSE prediction, tell you what are you too scared to put £100 to say the gulf stream won't collapse by 2025?

Lol. You stepped right into it. Spectacular!

Thanks! we need bmoore and sawfish to please comment too, let's see like this bit :
"The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions are not reduced. Evidence from past collapses indicates changes of temperature of 10C in a few decades,

although these occurred during ice ages."

Yes, let's make it a time frame up till 2095 becuz we're all dead by then, so no one can blame us if we're wrong. And let's base our estimates on changes during

"And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places."

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On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 18:38:51 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/27/23 7:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 13:40:24 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 27.7.2023 11.25, The Iceberg wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 19:03:03 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>>> The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study

suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the >>>> Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would >>>> bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to >>>> global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point >>>> in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 >>>> and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions >>>> are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo >>>> hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false
climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted >>>> before it didn't happen!

Yes cos as always with these lies it's "COULD..." "MIGHT HAPPEN..." "STUDIES SAY..." yet it never does. Yes it will be a totally FALSE prediction, tell you what are you too scared to put £100 to say the gulf stream won't collapse by 2025?

Lol. You stepped right into it. Spectacular

Thanks! we need bmoore and sawfish to please comment too, let's see like this bit :
"The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions are not reduced. Evidence from past collapses indicates changes of temperature of 10C in a few decades,

although these occurred during ice ages."

Yes, let's make it a time frame up till 2095 becuz we're all dead by then, so no one can blame us if we're wrong. And let's base our estimates on changes during an ICE AGE.

Sure, I'll comment, Ice. I think some people--maybe you--misunderstand
where I stand on this, and that means I've failed to explain it well enough.

1) The earth's temperature has obviously changed a great deal over time--both hotter and colder. We agree on this, right? Slithery
amphibians to woolly mammoths.

2) We're into a warming trend now. I can tell this *personally*. I've
had to install A/Cs in my rentals merely to remain competitive. I even
went so far as to install little ones in my house. I'm too cheap to cool
the entire house, you see. Now besides just having to buy A/Cs, I've followed the local temps and they are drifting upwards, both summer and winter. I've also seen alpine glaciers on the west coast retreat dramatically within my lifetime, and if I look at older photos, it's
more obvious still.

All this is stuff I've seen/felt, personally, and I've come to this
position from tending toward skepticism because, frankly, I don't trust media to report anything in an unbiased manner.

So there's not any doubt in my mind that for at least the last 25 years
it's gotten warmer where I live. I'm as sure of this as I am that Dylan Mulvaney is a fucked-up male dressing in women's clothing. More sure, actually, because I've never seen Mulvaney in person and have to rely on
the media.

yes you've said this before, but why would you ever be skeptical to it getting warmer in your local area when you witnessed it? it obvious to me, in England our winters now come a bit later in the year and the summers too than they did in the 80's. The
thing is this is all obvious, the Thames used to freeze in Victorian days, also our hottest summer was 1976 it was crazy and whilst we've had 3 summers since then close to that(with 2018 being the most recent) none of them were as hot as in 1976 and
importantly 2019-2023 has been nothing like that. Isn't that the case where you are? Also very good point heard recently was that development of building cities bigger and bigger by concreting huge areas and re-routing water from them or putting it
underground is bound to have an affect locally on the "climate". We've seen big flooding happen here cos of that, like in Louisiana, but that's not CO2 "climate change", that's the effect of building cities.
Would you say the CO2 "climate change" folks rely on young people having no knowledge of history or this kind of stuff?

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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 18:38:51 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/27/23 7:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote: > > On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 13:40:24 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote: > >> On 27.7.2023 11.25, The Iceberg wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at

19:03:03 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote: > >>>> The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study > >>>> suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the > >>>> Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by
scientists, would > >>>> bring catastrophic climate impacts. > >>>> > >>>> Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to > >>>> global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point > >>>> in 2021. > >>>> > >>>>
The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 > >>>> and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions > >>>> are not reduced. > >>>> > >>>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-
could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests > >>>> > >>>> In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo > >>>> hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false > >>>> climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!" > >

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted > >>>> before it didn't happen! > >>> Yes cos as always with these lies it's "COULD..." "MIGHT HAPPEN..." "STUDIES SAY..." yet it never does. Yes it will be a totally FALSE

prediction, tell you what are you too scared to put £100 to say the gulf stream won't collapse by 2025? > >>> > >> Lol. You stepped right into it. Spectacular> > Thanks! we need bmoore and sawfish to please comment too, let's see like this bit : > > "
The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions are not reduced. Evidence from past collapses indicates changes of temperature of 10C in a few decades, although
these occurred during ice ages." > > > > Yes, let's make it a time frame up till 2095 becuz we're all dead by then, so no one can blame us if we're wrong. And let's base our estimates on changes during an ICE AGE.> Sure, I'll comment, Ice. I think some
people--maybe you--misunderstand > where I stand on this, and that means I've failed to explain it well enough. > > 1) The earth's temperature has obviously changed a great deal over > time--both hotter and colder. We agree on this, right? Slithery >
amphibians to woolly mammoths. > > 2) We're into a warming trend now. I can tell this *personally*. I've > had to install A/Cs in my rentals merely to remain competitive. I even > went so far as to install little ones in my house. I'm too cheap to cool >
the entire house, you see. Now besides just having to buy A/Cs, I've > followed the local temps and they are drifting upwards, both summer and > winter. I've also seen alpine glaciers on the west coast retreat > dramatically within my lifetime, and if I
look at older photos, it's > more obvious still. >> All this is stuff I've seen/felt, personally, and I've come to this > position from tending toward skepticism because, frankly, I don't trust > media to report anything in an unbiased manner. >> So
there's not any doubt in my mind that for at least the last 25 years > it's gotten warmer where I live. I'm as sure of this as I am that Dylan > Mulvaney is a fucked-up male dressing in women's clothing. More sure, > actually, because I've never seen
Mulvaney in person and have to rely on > the media. yes you've said this before, but why would you ever be skeptical to it getting warmer in your local area when you witnessed it? it obvious to me, in England our winters now come a bit later in the year
and the summers too than they did in the 80's. The thing is this is all obvious, the Thames used to freeze in Victorian days, also our hottest summer was 1976 it was crazy and whilst we've had 3 summers since then close to that(with 2018 being the most
recent) none of them were as hot as in 1976 and importantly 2019-2023 has been nothing like that. Isn't that the case where you are? Also very good point heard recently was that development of building cities bigger and bigger by concreting huge areas
and re-routing water from them or putting it underground is bound to have an affect locally on the "climate". We've seen big flooding happen here cos of that, like in Louisiana, but that's not CO2 "climate change", that's the effect of building cities.
Would you say the CO2 "climate change" folks rely on young people having no knowledge of history or this kind of stuff?





Don't forget 8 billions that use heating, industry, farming...

In Victorian age there were 1 billion or so and hardly any industry and farming of present day scale. Far less impact with far less people.

So if anything is "man made", why don't we start blaming most populous countries?


When will e.g. India apologize to the world and pay hefty fines for having so many people?




Look at the US leftist Jewish dominated media reaction to India becoming #1 in people?


https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/06/08/1180454049/india-is-now-the-worlds-most-populous-nation-and-thats-not-necessarily-a-bad-thing



It's not a bad thing that India swarms the world? Ok.

But when whites need to reproduce or merely maintain their levels, then the same outlet goes like this?


https://www.npr.org/2016/08/18/479349760/should-we-be-having-kids-in-the-age-of-climate-change

"Here's a provocative thought: Maybe we should protect our kids by not having them," Rieder says.




Let's not exist and also let India swarm the world.

That's the message, no?



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On Wednesday, 2 August 2023 at 10:13:02 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:

The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 18:38:51 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/27/23 7:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote: > > On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 13:40:24 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote: > >> On 27.7.2023 11.25, The Iceberg wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2023

at 19:03:03 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote: > >>>> The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study > >>>> suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the > >>>> Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by
scientists, would > >>>> bring catastrophic climate impacts. > >>>> > >>>> Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to > >>>> global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point > >>>> in 2021. > >>>> > >>>>
The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 > >>>> and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions > >>>> are not reduced. > >>>> > >>>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-
could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests > >>>> > >>>> In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo > >>>> hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false > >>>> climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!" > >

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted > >>>> before it didn't happen! > >>> Yes cos as always with these lies it's "COULD..." "MIGHT HAPPEN..." "STUDIES SAY..." yet it never does. Yes it will be a totally FALSE

prediction, tell you what are you too scared to put £100 to say the gulf stream won't collapse by 2025? > >>> > >> Lol. You stepped right into it. Spectacular> > Thanks! we need bmoore and sawfish to please comment too, let's see like this bit : > > "
The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions are not reduced. Evidence from past collapses indicates changes of temperature of 10C in a few decades, although
these occurred during ice ages." > > > > Yes, let's make it a time frame up till 2095 becuz we're all dead by then, so no one can blame us if we're wrong. And let's base our estimates on changes during an ICE AGE.> Sure, I'll comment, Ice. I think some
people--maybe you--misunderstand > where I stand on this, and that means I've failed to explain it well enough. > > 1) The earth's temperature has obviously changed a great deal over > time--both hotter and colder. We agree on this, right? Slithery >
amphibians to woolly mammoths. > > 2) We're into a warming trend now. I can tell this *personally*. I've > had to install A/Cs in my rentals merely to remain competitive. I even > went so far as to install little ones in my house. I'm too cheap to cool >
the entire house, you see. Now besides just having to buy A/Cs, I've > followed the local temps and they are drifting upwards, both summer and > winter. I've also seen alpine glaciers on the west coast retreat > dramatically within my lifetime, and if I
look at older photos, it's > more obvious still. >> All this is stuff I've seen/felt, personally, and I've come to this > position from tending toward skepticism because, frankly, I don't trust > media to report anything in an unbiased manner. >> So
there's not any doubt in my mind that for at least the last 25 years > it's gotten warmer where I live. I'm as sure of this as I am that Dylan > Mulvaney is a fucked-up male dressing in women's clothing. More sure, > actually, because I've never seen
Mulvaney in person and have to rely on > the media. yes you've said this before, but why would you ever be skeptical to it getting warmer in your local area when you witnessed it? it obvious to me, in England our winters now come a bit later in the year
and the summers too than they did in the 80's. The thing is this is all obvious, the Thames used to freeze in Victorian days, also our hottest summer was 1976 it was crazy and whilst we've had 3 summers since then close to that(with 2018 being the most
recent) none of them were as hot as in 1976 and importantly 2019-2023 has been nothing like that. Isn't that the case where you are? Also very good point heard recently was that development of building cities bigger and bigger by concreting huge areas
and re-routing water from them or putting it underground is bound to have an affect locally on the "climate". We've seen big flooding happen here cos of that, like in Louisiana, but that's not CO2 "climate change", that's the effect of building cities.
Would you say the CO2 "climate change" folks rely on young people having no knowledge of history or this kind of stuff?

Don't forget 8 billions that use heating, industry, farming...

In Victorian age there were 1 billion or so and hardly any industry and farming of present day scale. Far less impact with far less people.

So if anything is "man made", why don't we start blaming most populous countries?

When will e.g. India apologize to the world and pay hefty fines for having so many people?

Look at the US leftist Jewish dominated media reaction to India becoming #1 in people?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/06/08/1180454049/india-is-now-the-worlds-most-populous-nation-and-thats-not-necessarily-a-bad-thing

It's not a bad thing that India swarms the world? Ok.

But when whites need to reproduce or merely maintain their levels, then the same outlet goes like this?

https://www.npr.org/2016/08/18/479349760/should-we-be-having-kids-in-the-age-of-climate-change

"Here's a provocative thought: Maybe we should protect our kids by not having them," Rieder says.

Let's not exist and also let India swarm the world.

That's the message, no?

yes perhaps Pelle, bmoore and jdeluise can explain this paradox to us and how there's no Marxist agenda behind it or anything! LOLski

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Unlike previous generations, we are now living in a Chicken Little world--in the west, at least, so there's a good chance it'll work. I mean, if you can convince the man/woman on the street that men wearing dresses are 100% women, and not circus

freaks, you can convince them of anything.



Yes, but the fear mongering part is real and it's when you recognise their agenda you know they're lying.

Check this meme.

You can ignore third pic as it's a part of the meme, but first two are genuine screenshots.

You tell me there's no agenda with colour usage and fear mongering?

You'll notice that temperatures are even way lower on second pic for that day of the year, but still...


https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aNw36PG_460swp.webp




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On 8/2/23 1:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 18:38:51 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/27/23 7:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 13:40:24 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 27.7.2023 11.25, The Iceberg wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 19:03:03 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>>>>> The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study >>>>>> suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the >>>>>> Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would >>>>>> bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to >>>>>> global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point >>>>>> in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 >>>>>> and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions >>>>>> are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo >>>>>> hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false >>>>>> climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted >>>>>> before it didn't happen!

Yes cos as always with these lies it's "COULD..." "MIGHT HAPPEN..." "STUDIES SAY..." yet it never does. Yes it will be a totally FALSE prediction, tell you what are you too scared to put £100 to say the gulf stream won't collapse by 2025?

Lol. You stepped right into it. Spectacular

Thanks! we need bmoore and sawfish to please comment too, let's see like this bit :
"The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions are not reduced. Evidence from past collapses indicates changes of temperature of 10C in a few decades,

although these occurred during ice ages."

Yes, let's make it a time frame up till 2095 becuz we're all dead by then, so no one can blame us if we're wrong. And let's base our estimates on changes during an ICE AGE.

Sure, I'll comment, Ice. I think some people--maybe you--misunderstand
where I stand on this, and that means I've failed to explain it well enough. >>
1) The earth's temperature has obviously changed a great deal over
time--both hotter and colder. We agree on this, right? Slithery
amphibians to woolly mammoths.

2) We're into a warming trend now. I can tell this *personally*. I've
had to install A/Cs in my rentals merely to remain competitive. I even
went so far as to install little ones in my house. I'm too cheap to cool
the entire house, you see. Now besides just having to buy A/Cs, I've
followed the local temps and they are drifting upwards, both summer and
winter. I've also seen alpine glaciers on the west coast retreat
dramatically within my lifetime, and if I look at older photos, it's
more obvious still.

All this is stuff I've seen/felt, personally, and I've come to this
position from tending toward skepticism because, frankly, I don't trust
media to report anything in an unbiased manner.

So there's not any doubt in my mind that for at least the last 25 years
it's gotten warmer where I live. I'm as sure of this as I am that Dylan
Mulvaney is a fucked-up male dressing in women's clothing. More sure,
actually, because I've never seen Mulvaney in person and have to rely on
the media.

yes you've said this before, but why would you ever be skeptical to it getting warmer in your local area when you witnessed it?

OK. Fair enough. From you, and a few others here, I'm confident I'll get
an honest discussion.

it obvious to me, in England our winters now come a bit later in the year and the summers too than they did in the 80's. The thing is this is all obvious, the Thames used to freeze in Victorian days, also our hottest summer was 1976 it was crazy and

whilst we've had 3 summers since then close to that(with 2018 being the most recent) none of them were as hot as in 1976 and importantly 2019-2023 has been nothing like that. Isn't that the case where you are?
Much the same. The general *TREND* is warmer. Ice, I place little weight
on "record years", or even days, individually, but more on in which
direction does this seem to be going? That direction seems clear where I
live, and bear in mind I am very skeptical--did not jump on any
bandwagon. Resisted it, in fact.

Also very good point heard recently was that development of building cities bigger and bigger by concreting huge areas and re-routing water from them or putting it underground is bound to have an affect locally on the "climate". We've seen big

flooding happen here cos of that, like in Louisiana, but that's not CO2 "climate change", that's the effect of building cities.

That's certainly part of it, Ice. But all this stuff I've been saying
here is that climate change is caused by multiple factors--I even went
and listed the stuff that happens *regularly*, in predictable cycles,
whether or not there's a human on earth, then stuff that can happen at
any time (periods of vulcanism, asteroid strikes, etc.) that also happen whether there is a human on the globe or not.

So all these things happen all the time.

But to my satisfaction the greenhouse effect, discovered in the 1820s
and repeatedly demonstrated in the lab, is a physical fact. It happens
from natural causes, and over a long period it reaches an equilibrium.
That's with no humans.

Now each human since the advent of human-controlled fire has the
potential to add just an infinitesimal amount of *surplus* C02 (and increasingly, other greenhouse gases) to the balance. The planetary
climate equilibrium gradually changes a bit.  Let's say that 20K years
ago that potential per human might be X. So the collective potential of
the earth, from humans was x*global population--maybe x*300K. So totalSurplusGas = x*300K

Now, since about 1800, two things with humans have happened: 1) the
population of humans has exploded; 2) the use of carbon-based compounds
to produce energy (fire) has increased as mankind's technical ability to
use these compounds has grown. This would be x(factorial n). So what
we've got now is totalSurplusGas=x(n)*8B.

There is no way anyone will convince me that a) the greenhouse effect is
not a physical fact, b) that amount of human contributed greenhouse
gases has not increased exponentially over the last 2 centuries, and c)
this is in addition to any changes that are not human induced (solar
activity, Milankovitch cycles, vulcanism, etc), and that happen all the
time, anyway.

So I can see a change, personally where I live and I've been, but really
I have no idea how long it would last. I just take the estimate of 500
years because the smug doomsayers say that, so let's hang them with the responsibility for all the implications of that prediction: you said
that, now you *own* that. And the easiest implication to see is that
according to them, we're all completely fucked, right now, even if we
dropped all carbon-based energy tomorrow. Completely and totally fucked
for, according to them, 500 years.

Funny aside: if you really wanted to get people to halt carbon-based
energy consumption real fast, like the doomsters say we absolutely must have--the best way would be to kill off 85% of the global human
population. That's what it would take to get them to *quickly* stop.

Adaptation as the primary goal would seem to be indicated, but what
they're still going on about is reduction--but we're *already* fucked.
Boy, does this look like an attempt to sell a new technology in the
short term for us pissants to buy, or what?

Would you say the CO2 "climate change" folks rely on young people having no knowledge of history or this kind of stuff?

I think that yes, they present only the part they want to use to
manipulate the 85% of the human population to do what they, the
puppet-masters, want. Which looks to me like introduce a new
technological age by fiat. It'll be just like the introduction of steam,
but forced by edict. Day One of the New Era, throw out your gas range,
take money out of your retirement account to buy an induction range, etc.

A giant shitload of money is there to be made during this enforce
switchover of core energy technologies. Makes the building of world
railways look like kids playing in a sandbox.

I mean, that right there is the cause of the panic to change energy
sources. Humanity would need to gradually do it anyway, but now we have
nice men and women, in suits and dresses as they see fit, telling us
that we'll fry in hell, personally ("...and your little dog, too!"),
unless we do as their corporate masters want.

Unlike previous generations, we are now living in a Chicken Little
world--in the west, at least, so there's a good chance it'll work.  I
mean, if you can convince the man/woman on the street that men wearing
dresses are 100% women, and not circus freaks, you can convince them of anything.


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On 8/2/23 8:38 AM, *skriptis wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

Unlike previous generations, we are now living in a Chicken Little world--in the west, at least, so there's a good chance it'll work. I mean, if you can convince the man/woman on the street that men wearing dresses are 100% women, and not circus

freaks, you can convince them of anything.

Yes, but the fear mongering part is real and it's when you recognise their agenda you know they're lying.

They're lying about *part* of it, for sure.

Skript, I've found that he best, most convincing lies are mixtures of
truth and fabrication. The truth can be strongly demonstrated and those convinced, many of them then think that the *entire* proposition is true.

In this case it's the climate is changing (true), all of it is
man-caused and hence under our control (part true--they are leaving out
the normal changes), and we all have to immediately drop our old stuff
that works (and coincidentally causes part of the warming), and buy all
new infrastructure and consumer goods (a lie--there are many ways to
deal with it, but they want to make money off of the change).

When Bill Clinton was pres. those who opposed him (and I was one, not recognizing that he was a *very* effective president, cursed with a
runaway libido) used to say:

"How can you tell when Clinton is lying?"

"When his lips are moving."

Very droll, but after studying him in interviews I came to realize that
what he was good at was this: he scrupulously and convincingly told the
truth when it either helped him, or could not harm him, and convincingly
lied when it could harm him.

So what you had was a very earnest, likeable guy telling you the
verifiable truth most of the time, then when he needed to lie, he'd tell
you the lie with the same earnest conviction.

For the gullible, since they'd heard him very often tell the verifiable
truth, they simply believed his lies because they appeared the same, as
told by a trustworthy, likeable guy who played sax (poorly) while
wearing shades indoors.

For the reactionary, like I was, and my brother still is, every single
word was a lie, and so you found yourself saying he was lying on issues
that could be fairly easily shown to be verifiable, ending up looking
the fool--which you then take offense from, further backing yourself
into an ethical corner.

Your response to this situation tells a lot about you. You either
double-down, over and over and over again, or you gulp, admit your
error, and move on, hopefully learning something in the process.

Check this meme.

You can ignore third pic as it's a part of the meme, but first two are genuine screenshots.

You tell me there's no agenda with colour usage and fear mongering?

You'll notice that temperatures are even way lower on second pic for that day of the year, but still...

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aNw36PG_460swp.webp

I'm getting a 404 error.

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Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would bring catastrophic climate impacts.Amoc was

already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point in 2021.The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050,
if global carbon emissions are not reduced.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggestsIn 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo hoo! They predicted the stream
would by gone by now. Another false climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted before it didn't happen!-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"--
Traditional

Hahaha, new an end of the times predictions.

https://www.agweb.com/opinion/doomsday-addiction-celebrating-50-years-failed-climate-predictions




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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:>> Hahaha, new an end of the times predictions.>> https://www.agweb.com/opinion/doomsday-addiction-celebrating-50-years-failed-climate-predictionsThat's not a "new" prediction. Yet again, you show you don't

even readyour own links.But anyway, 50 years of failed predictions? Christianity and otherreligions have been pushing doomsday theories for thousands of years.All without a single shred of evidence. Where is the outrage for THAT?




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubting_Thomas

A doubting Thomas is a skeptic who refuses to believe without direct personal experience – a reference to the Gospel of John's depiction of the Apostle Thomas, who, in John's account, refused to believe the resurrected Jesus had appeared to the ten
other apostles until he could see and feel Jesus's crucifixion wounds.




In short, a narcissist just like you?




24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.




You are not blessed jdeluise, you're an unhappy tormented soul.

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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

Hahaha, new an end of the times predictions.

https://www.agweb.com/opinion/doomsday-addiction-celebrating-50-years-failed-climate-predictions

That's not a "new" prediction. Yet again, you show you don't even read
your own links.

But anyway, 50 years of failed predictions? Christianity and other
religions have been pushing doomsday theories for thousands of years.
All without a single shred of evidence. Where is the outrage for THAT?

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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:>> Hahaha, new an end of the times predictions.>> https://www.agweb.com/opinion/doomsday-addiction-celebrating-50-years-failed-climate-predictionsThat's not a "new" prediction. Yet again, you show you don'

t even readyour own links.But anyway, 50 years of failed predictions? Christianity and otherreligions have been pushing doomsday theories for thousands of years.All without a single shred of evidence. Where is the outrage for THAT?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubting_Thomas

A doubting Thomas is a skeptic who refuses to believe without direct personal experience – a reference to the Gospel of John's depiction of the Apostle Thomas, who, in John's account, refused to believe the resurrected Jesus had appeared to the ten

other apostles until he could see and feel Jesus's crucifixion wounds.

In short, a narcissist just like you?

24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

You are not blessed jdeluise, you're an unhappy tormented soul.

My eyes are failing me. I read the last sentence as:

"...you're unhappy and tormented seal."

Really had me thinking, for a while...

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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 8/2/23 9:48 AM, *skriptis wrote:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:>> Hahaha, new an end of the times predictions.>> https://www.agweb.com/opinion/doomsday-addiction-celebrating-50-years-

failed-climate-predictionsThat's not a "new" prediction. Yet again, you show you don't even readyour own links.But anyway, 50 years of failed predictions? Christianity and otherreligions have been pushing doomsday theories for thousands of years.All
without a single shred of evidence. Where is the outrage for THAT?>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubting_Thomas>> A doubting Thomas is a skeptic who refuses to believe without direct personal experience – a reference to the Gospel of John's
depiction of the Apostle Thomas, who, in John's account, refused to believe the resurrected Jesus had appeared to the ten other apostles until he could see and feel Jesus's crucifixion wounds.>>>>> In short, a narcissist just like you?>>>>> 24 But Thomas,
one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.>> 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the
print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.>> 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.>> 27
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.>> 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.>> 29 Jesus saith unto him,
Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.>>>>> You are not blessed jdeluise, you're an unhappy tormented soul.>My eyes are failing me. I read the last sentence as:"...you're unhappy
and tormented seal."Really had me thinking, for a while...-- --Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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JD appears here just to reply to my few messages. He must be either a big fan or I just get on his nerves. Any excuses that he must be correcting my silly and naive ideas would be dumb since a smart creature like him should be able to ignore naive people
like me.

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 26.7.2023 klo 21.02:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists, would
bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping point
in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between 2025
and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon emissions
are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo
hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false
climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted
before it didn't happen!

So you're spreading this proven fake news as well. Ouch.

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On 5.8.2023 16.02, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 26.7.2023 klo 21.02:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists,
would bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping
point in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between
2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon
emissions are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo
hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false
climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted
before it didn't happen!

So you're spreading this proven fake news as well. Ouch.

You're as dumb as evah. Drunk?

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.8.2023 klo 20.37:

On 5.8.2023 16.02, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 26.7.2023 klo 21.02:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists,
would bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping
point in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between
2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon
emissions are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo hoo
hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another false
climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted
before it didn't happen!

So you're spreading this proven fake news as well. Ouch.

You're as dumb as evah. Drunk?

Well this *was* fake news. It was debunked by lots of scientists
instantly when it was published.

Here is first hit on google, BBC article the day after your Guardian
article:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66289494

"But leading scientists have reservations about the study and say it is
not established science."

Here's another... https://www.netzerowatch.com/the-guardians-ocean-circulation-problem/

"A review of the Guardian’s habitual Gulf Stream misreporting."

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On 5.8.2023 21.45, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.8.2023 klo 20.37:

On 5.8.2023 16.02, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 26.7.2023 klo 21.02:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists,
would bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping
point in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between
2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon
emissions are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo
hoo hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another
false climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was predicted
before it didn't happen!

So you're spreading this proven fake news as well. Ouch.

You're as dumb as evah. Drunk?

Well this *was* fake news. It was debunked by lots of scientists
instantly when it was published.

Yawn.

What I wrote up there should not be too hard to decipher, Tiihonen.

Or maybe it is.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 6.8.2023 klo 10.39:

On 5.8.2023 21.45, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.8.2023 klo 20.37:

On 5.8.2023 16.02, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 26.7.2023 klo 21.02:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study
suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called the
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by scientists,
would bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing to
global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a tipping
point in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between
2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon
emissions are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo
hoo hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another
false climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was
predicted before it didn't happen!

So you're spreading this proven fake news as well. Ouch.

You're as dumb as evah. Drunk?

Well this *was* fake news. It was debunked by lots of scientists
instantly when it was published.

Yawn.

What I wrote up there should not be too hard to decipher, Tiihonen.

Or maybe it is.

So you knew this was unscientific bull and wanted to rub it in at us
climate alarmists? Sure...
What is your prediction, when will Iceberg finally melt?

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On 6.8.2023 12.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 6.8.2023 klo 10.39:

On 5.8.2023 21.45, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.8.2023 klo 20.37:

On 5.8.2023 16.02, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 26.7.2023 klo 21.02:

The Gulf Stream system could collapse as soon as 2025, a new study >>>>>> suggests. The shutting down of the vital ocean currents, called
the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc) by
scientists, would bring catastrophic climate impacts.

Amoc was already known to be at its weakest in 1,600 years owing
to global heating and researchers spotted warning signs of a
tipping point in 2021.

The new analysis estimates a timescale for the collapse of between >>>>>> 2025 and 2095, with a central estimate of 2050, if global carbon
emissions are not reduced.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests

In 2025, Icebear will be hollering on his Hyde Park soap box "Boo
hoo hoo! They predicted the stream would by gone by now. Another
false climate change prediction! I'm ROBBED!"

But ... but ... but ... We can now review what exactly was
predicted before it didn't happen!

So you're spreading this proven fake news as well. Ouch.

You're as dumb as evah. Drunk?

Well this *was* fake news. It was debunked by lots of scientists
instantly when it was published.

Yawn.

What I wrote up there should not be too hard to decipher, Tiihonen.

Or maybe it is.

So you knew this was unscientific bull and wanted to rub it in at us
climate alarmists? Sure...

There's always the last one taking the long way home.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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