Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

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On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36.  Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days.  Carlos will be hot fave to retain
USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his
amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of
the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older
guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys
was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

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On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36.  Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days.  Carlos will be hot fave to retain
USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his
amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

Yes, I thought so too.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of
the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older
guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys
was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game. Now
all he needs is a young rival.

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On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game. Now

all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

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On 7/16/23 12:48 PM, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing
health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I
thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in
the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of
Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an
exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game. Now all he needs
is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he
dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter
stages of slams.

After losing the 1st set, Rune packed it in. It was about as clear as
anything like that I've seen.

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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain
USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his
amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of
the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older
guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys
was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

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Court says age isn't an issue

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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > >

USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short
court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and
endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issue




Everything is an issue, but you have to measure the factors well.

What drains and affects particular player's game?


He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but otoh as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3. How about that? You'd
want fresher legs but you might get murkier head?

Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can spin your way out of it and work around.

It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me.

Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As they would say, wind was for both, no?

But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage.

For sure situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him.

Sets 4 and 5 were even and they were played in relatively calmer conditions.


Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2 only then to lose meekly in the fifth?

I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens.

It's only sometimes possible as an overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other.



Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0.

At that point it doesn't matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one.

And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak.


It's also partially lack of hunger, at least subconsciously, similar to Federer at USO 2009 vs del Potro.


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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:59:12 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > >

USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short
court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and
endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issue

Everything is an issue, but you have to measure the factors well.

What drains and affects particular player's game?

He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but otoh as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3. How about that? You'd

want fresher legs but you might get murkier head?

Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can spin your way out of it and work around.

It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me.

Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As they would say, wind was for both, no?

But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage.

For sure situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him.

Sets 4 and 5 were even and they were played in relatively calmer conditions.

Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2 only then to lose meekly in the fifth?

I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens.

It's only sometimes possible as an overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other.

Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0.

At that point it doesn't matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one.

And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak.

It's also partially lack of hunger, at least subconsciously, similar to Federer at USO 2009 vs del Potro.

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Good post, he was not at his best today, should OF won the second set? They stole three slams from him, so he is the GOAT! Fed next, clayboy at 3, Laver, Borg and $pEte follow?

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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's

slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > > USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in
the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game,
that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issueEverything is an issue, but you have to measure the factors well.What drains and affects
particular player's game?He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but otoh as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3.
How about that? You'd want fresher legs but you might get murkier head?Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can spin your way out of it and work around.It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus
bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me.Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As
they would say, wind was for both, no?But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage.For sure situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but
today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him.Sets 4 and 5 were even and they were played in relatively calmer conditions.Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2
only then to lose meekly in the fifth?I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens.It's only sometimes possible as an
overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other.Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0.At that point it doesn't
matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one.And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak.It's also partially lack of hunger, at least subconsciously, similar to Federer at USO 2009 vs del
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I might just add, someone like Edberg, nice kick serve and great volleying skills would have been largely unaffected by these conditions today.

Alcaraz had kickier serve and uses more topsin.

So in a way you could claim Djokovic wasn't good enough technically, as opposed to Alcaraz to deal with everything today?

That's closer to the truth than mere age for this result.


Although I might add since severe winds cause matches to be interrupted then wgy would mild winds be a proper tests of skills? But it is what it is.

Federer bageled Nadal on clay in Hamburg 2007 because they played in mud, superslow clay, not very bouncing, Nadal had no zip on his topspin.



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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's

slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > > USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in
the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game,
that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issueEverything is an issue, but you have to measure the factors well.What drains and affects
particular player's game?He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but otoh as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3.
How about that? You'd want fresher legs but you might get murkier head?Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can spin your way out of it and work around.It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus
bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me.Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As
they would say, wind was for both, no?But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage.For sure situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but
today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him.Sets 4 and 5 were even and they were played in relatively calmer conditions.Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2
only then to lose meekly in the fifth?I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens.It's only sometimes possible as an
overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other.Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0.At that point it doesn't
matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one.And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak.It's also partially lack of hunger, at least subconsciously, similar to Federer at USO 2009 vs del
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Three pages reply/post means emotions were high, take it easy. It's about time, first great youngster delivered a message, and this youngster had no experience on grass.
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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:59:12 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message: > > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get

this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > > USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all
of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor.
Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issue > > > > > Everything is an issue,
but you have to measure the factors well. > > What drains and affects particular player's game? > > > He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but otoh
as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3. How about that? You'd want fresher legs but you might get murkier head? > > Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can spin
your way out of it and work around. > > It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me. > >
Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As they would say, wind was for both, no? > > But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage. > > For sure
situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him. > > Sets 4 and 5 were even and
they were played in relatively calmer conditions. > > > Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2 only then to lose meekly in the fifth? > > I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that
coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens. > > It's only sometimes possible as an overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other. > > > > Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was
better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0. > > At that point it doesn't matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one. > > And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind
fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak. > > > It's also partially lack of hunger, at least subconsciously, similar to Federer at USO 2009 vs del Potro. > > > -- > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/
usenet/index.htmlGood post, he was not at his best today, should OF won the second set? They stole three slams from him, so he is the GOAT! Fed next, clayboy at 3, Laver, Borg and $pEte follow?



They probably stole Wimbledon 2020 which they canceled, 80% he wins that. That was not against him personally they canceled it for everyone. But in the grand scheme of things, he wins 4 in a row and the one in the middle is canceled? Lol.


Then 50% he wins USO 2020 when he was defaulted but we won't count that since it's not discrimination.

Then real discrimination, 80% AO 2022 and 10% USO 2022 I think.

So altogether cca 240% or 2-3 slams, likely 2. He shouldacoulda been at 25 now.


If you only count those in which he was the only one banned, 2022 AO and USO, then it's 90% so arguably 1 slam.






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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:27:46 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain
USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of
the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys
was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

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that barks at you."

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Court says age isn't an issue

It was a five set battle! Djokovic just won three of the last four slams he entered and made the final of the most recent one it what appears to have been a hard-fought battle and now we're calling him "too old?" You crack me up.

I think we need to wait and see if Alcaraz remains injury-free and continues to reach Djokovic in all slam finals and continues to beat him. If he does that, then we can finally put Gumby out to pasture. Not until.

When Gumby loses to an opponent, he usually has a way of humiliating him the next time they play. He's obsessive in that pursuit. He doesn't leave things unchanged for a decade while his main rival continues to crap on him like Federer did vs Nadal in
their first decade of play. He usually changes things and comes up with a new game plan. Let's see what happens.
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at

age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > > USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > >
One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor.
Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issueEverything is an issue, but you
have to measure the factors well.What drains and affects particular player's game?He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but otoh as younger he might
have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3. How about that? You'd want fresher legs but you might get murkier head?Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can spin your way out of it and
work around.It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me.Anyway wind was 90% of the score,
but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As they would say, wind was for both, no?But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage.For sure situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and
Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him.Sets 4 and 5 were even and they were played in relatively calmer conditions.Was
he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2 only then to lose meekly in the fifth?I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it
almost never happens.It's only sometimes possible as an overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other.Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that
set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0.At that point it doesn't matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one.And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak.It's also partially lack of hunger, at least
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Lol

Emotions, says the guy who skipped watching Wimbledon final.


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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM,

Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > > USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.>
For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop
shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says
age isn't an issueEverything is an issue, but you have to measure the factors well.What drains and affects particular player's game?He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny
16 years difference, but otoh as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3. How about that? You'd want fresher legs but you might get murkier head?Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even
clay where you can spin your way out of it and work around.It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but
it's just me.Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As they would say, wind was for both, no?But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage.For sure
situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him.Sets 4 and 5 were even and they
were played in relatively calmer conditions.Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2 only then to lose meekly in the fifth?I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that coming back from
1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens.It's only sometimes possible as an overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other.Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was better player in set 2, but in a
non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0.At that point it doesn't matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one.And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak.It's
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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:27:46PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote: > > On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > >

end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > > > USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > > amazing health. > > For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > > > One of the telling factors
was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > > the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older > > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. >

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > > > -- > > "It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > > that barks at you." > > > > --Sawfish> Court says age isn't an issueIt was a five set battle! Djokovic just won

three of the last four slams he entered and made the final of the most recent one it what appears to have been a hard-fought battle and now we're calling him "too old?" You crack me up.I think we need to wait and see if Alcaraz remains injury-free and
continues to reach Djokovic in all slam finals and continues to beat him. If he does that, then we can finally put Gumby out to pasture. Not until. When Gumby loses to an opponent, he usually has a way of humiliating him the next time they play. He's
obsessive in that pursuit. He doesn't leave things unchanged for a decade while his main rival continues to crap on him like Federer did vs Nadal in their first decade of play. He usually changes things and comes up with a new game plan. Let's see what
happens..

I didn't call him too old. It seems things for you are either black or white. Age difference and youth becomes a factor when the two players are great and are very close in their technical and mental levels.
Of course djok will reach the final beating the likes of Ruud, Sinner, etc. Federer did the same, and Nadal. Why were we asking for good youngsters? Young legs, explosive movement, etc.
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at

9:17:30PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > > USO and Novak 37 next yr, very
old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an
older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at
every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issueEverything is an issue, but you have to measure the factors well.What drains and affects particular player's game?He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt,
they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but otoh as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3. How about that? You'd want fresher legs but you might get murkier head?Djokovic game is
all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can spin your way out of it and work around.It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match,
as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me.Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As they would say, wind was for both, no?But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot
more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage.For sure situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and
it's very easy for him.Sets 4 and 5 were even and they were played in relatively calmer conditions.Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2 only then to lose meekly in the fifth?I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among
the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens.It's only sometimes possible as an overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other.Alcaraz was
shit in set 1, and was better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0.At that point it doesn't matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one.And he didn't win that tiebreak due
to wind fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak.It's also partially lack of hunger, at least subconsciously, similar to Federer at USO 2009 vs del Potro.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.
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Tell us more how Alcaraz is a great talent but only if he wins.

;)

And you don't watch Wimbledon final out of fear Djokovic might win.

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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@

gmail.com> Wrote in message:> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will
be hot fave to retain > > USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > the court.
He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > -- > "It is
Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issueEverything is an issue, but you have to measure the factors well.What drains and affects particular player's game?He might have
prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but otoh as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3. How about that? You'd want fresher legs
but you might get murkier head?Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can spin your way out of it and work around.It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus bad bounce. Imo he should have been more
offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me.Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As they would say, wind was for both, no?But if
you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage.For sure situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm
day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him.Sets 4 and 5 were even and they were played in relatively calmer conditions.Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2 only then to lose meekly in the fifth?I've watched
a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens.It's only sometimes possible as an overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never
turned around 0-2 against each other.Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0.At that point it doesn't matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets,
regardless which one.And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak.It's also partially lack of hunger, at least subconsciously, similar to Federer at USO 2009 vs del Potro.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https:/
/piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlThree pages reply/post means emotions were high, take it easy. It's about time, first great youngster delivered a message, and this youngster had no experience on grass.This is why I gave full credit
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The way Alcaraz collapsed in the FO was a surprise for every knowledgeable tennis fan. We expected him to beat Djokovic in the FO but he admitted that the tension got to him.

This was a very bad sign to what to come specially playing Djokovic again. This is why I was saying he got himself another chance. But I knew his second chance will be extremely difficult because the guy has no experience on grass. Somehow he managed to do it, and this was a big warning to what to come if he can stay injury
free.

Enough about me not watching the match, I told I had no access.

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On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:35:56 UTC+1, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game. Now

all he needs is a young rival.

yeah was hugely surprised at that he could've easily broken Alcaraz on that 1st game of 5th set. No problem with Alcaraz winning at all, it good to see at last a young player who wants to win slams and as you say he an exciting kid to watch! WELL DONE
Alcaraz!!

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On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and >> Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:30:22 AM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote:

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I kind of agree; Rune is most "raw" from new gen (Alcaraz, Sinner) but has more potential than Sinner? At least he seems dedicated enough....

After all Rune came from total nowhere 1,5 years ago while Alcaraz and Sinner were spotted years before.

.mikko

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On 17.7.2023 10.30, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end >>>> of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and >>>> Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health. >>>

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless.

The first thing to do is to fire Mom & M.

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On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 21:59:12 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > >

USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short
court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and
endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issue

Everything is an issue, but you have to measure the factors well.

What drains and affects particular player's game?

He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but otoh as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3. How about that? You'd

want fresher legs but you might get murkier head?

Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can spin your way out of it and work around.

It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me.

Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As they would say, wind was for both, no?

But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage.

For sure situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him.

Sets 4 and 5 were even and they were played in relatively calmer conditions.

Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2 only then to lose meekly in the fifth?

I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens.

It's only sometimes possible as an overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other.

Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0.

At that point it doesn't matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one.

And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak.

oh come you can't keep ignoring Murray, he could beat him anywhere, except the AO and in 2015 Murray should've won that but went AWOL, he beat Djoker at all the most important places USO, Wimbledon finals, Olympics, YEC O2 exo final, #1 final etc.

It's also partially lack of hunger, at least subconsciously, similar to Federer at USO 2009 vs del Potro.

really don't think you can say that about Djoker yesterday, he was going for 24 slams, an 8th W and broke his racquet when Alcaraz got the break cos he knew against Alcaraz that was going to be very very difficult to get back from and he hadn't
concentrated hard enough.

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On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 22:05:32 UTC+1, gap...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:59:12 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain >

USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short

court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and
endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issue

Everything is an issue, but you have to measure the factors well.

What drains and affects particular player's game?

He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but otoh as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3. How about that? You'd

want fresher legs but you might get murkier head?

Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can spin your way out of it and work around.

It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me.

Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As they would say, wind was for both, no?

But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage.

For sure situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him.

Sets 4 and 5 were even and they were played in relatively calmer conditions.

Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2 only then to lose meekly in the fifth?

I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens.

It's only sometimes possible as an overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other.

Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0.

At that point it doesn't matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one.

And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak.

It's also partially lack of hunger, at least subconsciously, similar to Federer at USO 2009 vs del Potro.

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Good post, he was not at his best today, should OF won the second set? They stole three slams from him, so he is the GOAT! Fed next, clayboy at 3, Laver, Borg and $pEte follow?

totally wrong, but why is Nadal after Fed? also Laver won the CYGS twice + beat everyone else, yet he's somehow lower down than the others. Sounds you forgot to put Agassi in there.

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On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 22:20:30 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:

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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:59:12 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message: > > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:> On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > Novak amazing to

get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > > USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > amazing health.> For the first time, clearly, Djok looked
all of 36. > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older > guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys > was a significant
factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > -- > "It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > that barks at you." > > --SawfishCourt says age isn't an issue > > > > > Everything is an
issue, but you have to measure the factors well. > > What drains and affects particular player's game? > > > He might have prevailed today if he had been younger, no doubt, they ended up with 3-4 pts difference so no one can deny 16 years difference, but
otoh as younger he might have totally collapsed entire match not just set 2 and 3. How about that? You'd want fresher legs but you might get murkier head? > > Djokovic game is all about precision, wind totally blows it. It's not even clay where you can
spin your way out of it and work around. > > It's death on grass to deal with bad timing plus bad bounce. Imo he should have been more offensive and reckless in parts of the match, as it was futile to rally while at such disadvantage, but it's just me. >

Anyway wind was 90% of the score, but it's retarded to say it out loud so he won't do it. As they would say, wind was for both, no? > > But if you get the game, you know it hurt him a lot more than Alcaraz, it negated his main advantage. > > For sure

situation changes rapidly, almost daily, and Alcaraz is growing stronger and stronger as we speak, but today, you just close a roof or have a nice calm day and Djokovic dominates on his serve and it's very easy for him. > > Sets 4 and 5 were even and
they were played in relatively calmer conditions. > > > Was he old when he came back vs Murray at USO 2012 from 0-2 only then to lose meekly in the fifth? > > I've watched a lot of matches and scoring dynamics among the big 3 or big 4 has taught me that
coming back from 1-2 behind is the most difficult thing, it almost never happens. > > It's only sometimes possible as an overall 0-2 comeback but big 3 or big 4 have never turned around 0-2 against each other. > > > > Alcaraz was shit in set 1, and was
better player in set 2, but in a non-windy conditions Djokovic steals that set 2 tiebreak and is 2-0. > > At that point it doesn't matter anymore, he wins one of the next 3 sets, regardless which one. > > And he didn't win that tiebreak due to wind
fucking with his "superpowers" in tiebreak. > > > It's also partially lack of hunger, at least subconsciously, similar to Federer at USO 2009 vs del Potro. > > > -- > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/
usenet/index.htmlGood post, he was not at his best today, should OF won the second set? They stole three slams from him, so he is the GOAT! Fed next, clayboy at 3, Laver, Borg and $pEte follow?

They probably stole Wimbledon 2020 which they canceled, 80% he wins that. That was not against him personally they canceled it for everyone. But in the grand scheme of things, he wins 4 in a row and the one in the middle is canceled? Lol.

Then 50% he wins USO 2020 when he was defaulted but we won't count that since it's not discrimination.

Then real discrimination, 80% AO 2022 and 10% USO 2022 I think.

So altogether cca 240% or 2-3 slams, likely 2. He shouldacoulda been at 25 now.

If you only count those in which he was the only one banned, 2022 AO and USO, then it's 90% so arguably 1 slam.

he lost USO to Medvedev in 2021 and he was runner-up in 2019, then in 2020 Thiem was at peak and locked-on for it, so be surprised if he beat both of those guys. Agree real criminal discrimination was the AO he should've been allowed to play at.

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On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 00:50:48 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:27:46 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

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that barks at you."

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Court says age isn't an issue

It was a five set battle! Djokovic just won three of the last four slams he entered and made the final of the most recent one it what appears to have been a hard-fought battle and now we're calling him "too old?" You crack me up.

I think we need to wait and see if Alcaraz remains injury-free and continues to reach Djokovic in all slam finals and continues to beat him. If he does that, then we can finally put Gumby out to pasture. Not until.

When Gumby loses to an opponent, he usually has a way of humiliating him the next time they play. He's obsessive in that pursuit. He doesn't leave things unchanged for a decade while his main rival continues to crap on him like Federer did vs Nadal in

their first decade of play. He usually changes things and comes up with a new game plan. Let's see what happens.

totally agree, people saying he won't win another slam, despite winning 3/4 last slams and taking the World #1 super best player to 5 close sets LOL who here reckons if it wasn't Alcaraz in the final Djoker would've won in straights?!

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On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 09:08:39 UTC+1, MBDunc wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:30:22 AM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote:

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I kind of agree; Rune is most "raw" from new gen (Alcaraz, Sinner) but has more potential than Sinner? At least he seems dedicated enough....

After all Rune came from total nowhere 1,5 years ago while Alcaraz and Sinner were spotted years before.

yes he prob has more potential than Sinner, he looks more athletic and powerful, also his shots look better to be honest. Sinner though has everything win a slam, just no coach to tell him how to. At least it not like Tsitsi whose Dad apparently told him
to play doubles with his brother and girlfriend, neglecting the chance to win the singles! amazing just amazing logic <BIG COURT1 STYLE SHRUGS AND ROLLEYES>

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On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 00:50:48 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:27:46PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote: > > > On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > > > > > >

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the > > > > end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain > > > > USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his > > > > amazing health. > > > For
the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36. > > > > > > One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of > > > the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older > > > guy, having to come to the forecourt
after drop shots or touch volleys > > > was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok. > > > > > > The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure. > > > > > > -- > > > "It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog > > > that
barks at you." > > > > > > --Sawfish > > Court says age isn't an issue> It was a five set battle! Djokovic just won three of the last four slams he entered and made the final of the most recent one it what appears to have been a hard-fought battle and
now we're calling him "too old?" You crack me up. > > I think we need to wait and see if Alcaraz remains injury-free and continues to reach Djokovic in all slam finals and continues to beat him. If he does that, then we can finally put Gumby out to
pasture. Not until. > > When Gumby loses to an opponent, he usually has a way of humiliating him the next time they play. He's obsessive in that pursuit. He doesn't leave things unchanged for a decade while his main rival continues to crap on him like
Federer did vs Nadal in their first decade of play. He usually changes things and comes up with a new game plan. Let's see what happens. totally agree, people saying he won't win another slam, despite winning 3/4 last slams and taking the World #1 super
best player to 5 close sets LOL who here reckons if it wasn't Alcaraz in the final Djoker would've won in straights?!

Before the final, they were saying he is going to win 35 slams (ask Whisper) and after the final he won't another :)

But I understand why both parties believe what they believe, both never thought things can change quickly.

Now people see Alcaraz beating Djokovic in every slam.


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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 7:50:48 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

When Gumby loses to an opponent, he usually has a way of humiliating him the next time they play. He's obsessive in that pursuit. He doesn't leave things unchanged for a decade while his main rival continues to crap on him like Federer did vs Nadal in

their first decade of play. He usually changes things and comes up with a new game plan. Let's see what happens.

.

How true. I am also laughing at the way you expressed your point. Good one.

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On 17/07/2023 6:13 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 12:48 PM, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end >>>> of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and >>>> Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing
health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I
thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in
the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of
Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an
exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game. Now all he needs
is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he
dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter
stages of slams.

After losing the 1st set, Rune packed it in. It was about as clear as anything like that I've seen.

Rune is getting better too, just not at the rate Carlos is. Unless
someone new arrives on the scene they should be the top 2.

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:44:09 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:

On 17/07/2023 4:29 am, TT wrote:

Sawfish kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.17:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain
USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his
amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

Yes, I thought so too.

He still played great, would have beaten anyone else in that 5th set
except Alcaraz.

Alcaraz is the 1st player vs Djoker I've seen Djoker has a) looked old b) looked...helpless?

In one isolated match this can happen: but apart from wind conditions: they played good ball out there.

.mikko

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On 17/07/2023 4:29 am, TT wrote:

Sawfish kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.17:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36.  Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days.  Carlos will be hot fave to retain
USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his
amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

Yes, I thought so too.

He still played great, would have beaten anyone else in that 5th set
except Alcaraz.

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On 18/07/2023 12:13 am, MBDunc wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:44:09 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:

On 17/07/2023 4:29 am, TT wrote:

Sawfish kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.17:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain >>>>> USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his
amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

Yes, I thought so too.

He still played great, would have beaten anyone else in that 5th set
except Alcaraz.

Alcaraz is the 1st player vs Djoker I've seen Djoker has a) looked old b) looked...helpless?

In one isolated match this can happen: but apart from wind conditions: they played good ball out there.

.mikko

I think Novak fired up in the 5th set and played great overall. You
could see from that effort why he beats everyone else in the clutch. He
should still be fave to beat anyone but Carlos at next 2 slams, after
that age should finally catch up and he'll start losing to Tsitsipas
types too : (

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On 7/17/23 6:43 AM, Whisper wrote:

On 17/07/2023 4:29 am, TT wrote:

Sawfish kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.17:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36.  Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days.  Carlos will be hot fave to
retain USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player
despite his amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

Yes, I thought so too.

He still played great, would have beaten anyone else in that 5th set
except Alcaraz.

I agree that he would still have beaten almost anyone else.

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On 7/17/23 7:06 AM, Whisper wrote:

On 17/07/2023 6:13 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 12:48 PM, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the
end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain
USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing
health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today,
I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in
the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of
Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an
exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game. Now all he
needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he
dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter
stages of slams.

After losing the 1st set, Rune packed it in. It was about as clear as
anything like that I've seen.

Rune is getting better too, just not at the rate Carlos is. Unless
someone new arrives on the scene they should be the top 2.

But by comparison, have you *ever* seen Alcaraz pack it in? Some might
say the FO: maybe, maybe not. But not like Rune or Shapovolov. I've only
seen Rune once. vs Alcaraz, so maybe it's rare. Shapovolov does it most
of the time.

But even a little is poison.

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that barks at you."

--Sawfish

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On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end >>>> of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and >>>> Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health. >>> I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is
insurmountable.

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 6:18:29 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is insurmountable.

Sinner might remain a good quality yardstick?

That is not bad destiny. Not all of them can be among the best?

But he has a OK hold on Alcaraz h2h? right?, so maybe still?

Of non-named fold. Meds remain dangerous, bit suspect whether Zverev can fully comeback, but Rune, he is dangerous...

.mikko

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 6:15:10 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:

On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 00:50:48 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:27:46 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

--
"It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog that barks at you."

--Sawfish

Court says age isn't an issue

It was a five set battle! Djokovic just won three of the last four slams he entered and made the final of the most recent one it what appears to have been a hard-fought battle and now we're calling him "too old?" You crack me up.

I think we need to wait and see if Alcaraz remains injury-free and continues to reach Djokovic in all slam finals and continues to beat him. If he does that, then we can finally put Gumby out to pasture. Not until.

When Gumby loses to an opponent, he usually has a way of humiliating him the next time they play. He's obsessive in that pursuit. He doesn't leave things unchanged for a decade while his main rival continues to crap on him like Federer did vs Nadal

in their first decade of play. He usually changes things and comes up with a new game plan. Let's see what happens.

totally agree, people saying he won't win another slam, despite winning 3/4 last slams and taking the World #1 super best player to 5 close sets LOL who here reckons if it wasn't Alcaraz in the final Djoker would've won in straights?!

Not only that, even with the 16 years younger Alcaraz in the final, it was close and could have gone either way. It's not like Alcaraz came out and crushed Djokovic in straights. Djokovic made a few uncharacteristic errors from what I could see by
watching some highlights.

They'll have more battles and some will likely go Djokovic's way. It will give Djokovic some motivation because what does he really have to play now for? The CYGS is off the table. All he really should want to do now is separate himself further from
Federer and Nadal as Nadal could come back and win another FO for all we know. If Djokovic can win a couple of more slams, he'll ensure that the slam record will likely never be broken and that he will sit at the very top of the mountain for all time.

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:17:17 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:

On 18/07/2023 12:13 am, MBDunc wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:44:09 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:

On 17/07/2023 4:29 am, TT wrote:

Sawfish kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.17:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the >>>>> end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain >>>>> USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his >>>>> amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

Yes, I thought so too.

He still played great, would have beaten anyone else in that 5th set
except Alcaraz.

Alcaraz is the 1st player vs Djoker I've seen Djoker has a) looked old b) looked...helpless?

In one isolated match this can happen: but apart from wind conditions: they played good ball out there.

.mikko

I think Novak fired up in the 5th set and played great overall. You
could see from that effort why he beats everyone else in the clutch. He should still be fave to beat anyone but Carlos at next 2 slams, after
that age should finally catch up and he'll start losing to Tsitsipas
types too : (

Djokovic will retire if he ever gets to the point where he loses to Tsitsipas, Ruud. I mean, come on! I say that as somebody who enjoys watching Tsitsipas play. Djokovic is several levels about Tsitsipas.

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:43:47 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Now people see Alcaraz beating Djokovic in every slam.

And I'm pretty sure they'll be wrong. Let's wait and see.

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end >>>> of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and >>>> Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough match-up
for Alcaraz!

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:59:21 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 6:15:10 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:

On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 00:50:48 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:27:46 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain
USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of
the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older
guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys
was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

--
"It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog that barks at you."

--Sawfish

Court says age isn't an issue

It was a five set battle! Djokovic just won three of the last four slams he entered and made the final of the most recent one it what appears to have been a hard-fought battle and now we're calling him "too old?" You crack me up.

I think we need to wait and see if Alcaraz remains injury-free and continues to reach Djokovic in all slam finals and continues to beat him. If he does that, then we can finally put Gumby out to pasture. Not until.

When Gumby loses to an opponent, he usually has a way of humiliating him the next time they play. He's obsessive in that pursuit. He doesn't leave things unchanged for a decade while his main rival continues to crap on him like Federer did vs Nadal

in their first decade of play. He usually changes things and comes up with a new game plan. Let's see what happens.

totally agree, people saying he won't win another slam, despite winning 3/4 last slams and taking the World #1 super best player to 5 close sets LOL who here reckons if it wasn't Alcaraz in the final Djoker would've won in straights?!

Not only that, even with the 16 years younger Alcaraz in the final, it was close and could have gone either way. It's not like Alcaraz came out and crushed Djokovic in straights. Djokovic made a few uncharacteristic errors from what I could see by

watching some highlights.

They'll have more battles and some will likely go Djokovic's way. It will give Djokovic some motivation because what does he really have to play now for? The CYGS is off the table. All he really should want to do now is separate himself further from

Federer and Nadal as Nadal could come back and win another FO for all we know. If Djokovic can win a couple of more slams, he'll ensure that the slam record will likely never be broken and that he will sit at the very top of the mountain for all time.

Have to agree with you, close match indeed.

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 5:08:10 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough match-

up for Alcaraz!

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:55:38 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 5:08:10 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the

game. Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough match-

up for Alcaraz!

Gracchus, I see you responded but I don't see your comment?

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:00:29 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:55:38 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 5:08:10 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: >>>> Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end

of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the

game. Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough

match-up for Alcaraz!

Gracchus, I see you responded but I don't see your comment?

LOL! I must have lost my train of thought. IIRC, I was going to say that Alcaraz sees Sinner as his toughest *contemporary* rival, but I don't think he'll have the flexibility to keep up with Alcaraz as their games develop further. The h2h is slightly
misleading too, because Alcaraz clearly had physical problems during their Miami match. Not just cramping--he hurt his left hand and wasn't the same after the first set. The Berdych comparison is apt. He can look awesome when he's zoning, but plays too
many predictable patterns. Djokovic looked like he was reading Sinner's mind the other day.

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:59:21 AM UTC+10, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 6:15:10 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:

On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 00:50:48 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:27:46 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain
USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of
the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older
guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys
was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

--
"It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog that barks at you."

--Sawfish

Court says age isn't an issue

It was a five set battle! Djokovic just won three of the last four slams he entered and made the final of the most recent one it what appears to have been a hard-fought battle and now we're calling him "too old?" You crack me up.

I think we need to wait and see if Alcaraz remains injury-free and continues to reach Djokovic in all slam finals and continues to beat him. If he does that, then we can finally put Gumby out to pasture. Not until.

When Gumby loses to an opponent, he usually has a way of humiliating him the next time they play. He's obsessive in that pursuit. He doesn't leave things unchanged for a decade while his main rival continues to crap on him like Federer did vs Nadal

in their first decade of play. He usually changes things and comes up with a new game plan. Let's see what happens.

totally agree, people saying he won't win another slam, despite winning 3/4 last slams and taking the World #1 super best player to 5 close sets LOL who here reckons if it wasn't Alcaraz in the final Djoker would've won in straights?!

Not only that, even with the 16 years younger Alcaraz in the final, it was close and could have gone either way. It's not like Alcaraz came out and crushed Djokovic in straights. Djokovic made a few uncharacteristic errors from what I could see by

watching some highlights.

They'll have more battles and some will likely go Djokovic's way. It will give Djokovic some motivation because what does he really have to play now for? The CYGS is off the table. All he really should want to do now is separate himself further from

Federer and Nadal as Nadal could come back and win another FO for all we know. If Djokovic can win a couple of more slams, he'll ensure that the slam record will likely never be broken and that he will sit at the very top of the mountain for all time.

It APPEARED close only because Alcaraz threw the first set away. And the reason for that is that his confidence in facing Joker was still shaken after the FO. Otherwise it would have been 3-1. Now the baggage is off his shoulders...

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On 17/07/2023 6:27 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Court says age isn't an issue

It's not an issue yet for Djokovic as he's hot fave to beat every player everywhere except 1 guy, and he was half way to the calendar slam. Are
you saying he'd have even more success if he was younger than 36? Maybe
wins every match 60 60 60?

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On 17/07/2023 5:30 pm, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end >>>> of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and >>>> Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health. >>>

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

Sinner and Rune will fight it out for no.2 over the coming yrs.

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On 18.7.2023 14.12, Whisper wrote:

On 17/07/2023 5:30 pm, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end >>>>> of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO
and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing
health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I
thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in
the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of
Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an
exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game. Now all he needs
is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he
dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter
stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner
doesn't have that excuse.

Sinner and Rune will fight it out for no.2 over the coming yrs.

A clowny situation. Not to mention that Mom & M will be constantly around.

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On 18/07/2023 1:17 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 7:06 AM, Whisper wrote:

On 17/07/2023 6:13 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 12:48 PM, grif wrote:
After losing the 1st set, Rune packed it in. It was about as clear as
anything like that I've seen.

Rune is getting better too, just not at the rate Carlos is. Unless
someone new arrives on the scene they should be the top 2.

But by comparison, have you *ever* seen Alcaraz pack it in? Some might
say the FO: maybe, maybe not.

No I've never seen Carlos give up, even when cramping at FO. He's taken
those elements from Djoker and Nadal, who also never give up in a slam
match. Remember Nadal 2022 AO final v Medvedev, only Rafa thought he
would win from 2-6 6-7 1-3 down. I've seen Federer give up in big slam
matches v Novak and Rafa, go through the motions and accepting the
inevitable.

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On 18/07/2023 1:18 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end >>>>> of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO
and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing
health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I
thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in
the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of
Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an
exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game. Now all he needs
is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he
dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter
stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner
doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is insurmountable.

Yes, but it also appears he has a couple other problems too. V Novak in
semis it looked like he learned nothing in a yr, played exactly the same
way with no new tricks. He's still young but needs to pull his finger
out if he wants to be a slam champ.

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On 7/17/23 9:11 PM, Tuan wrote:

On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:59:21 AM UTC+10, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 6:15:10 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:

On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 00:50:48 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:27:46 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the >>>>>>> end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain >>>>>>> USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his >>>>>>> amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of >>>>>> the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older >>>>>> guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys >>>>>> was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

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"It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog >>>>>> that barks at you."

--Sawfish

Court says age isn't an issue

It was a five set battle! Djokovic just won three of the last four slams he entered and made the final of the most recent one it what appears to have been a hard-fought battle and now we're calling him "too old?" You crack me up.

I think we need to wait and see if Alcaraz remains injury-free and continues to reach Djokovic in all slam finals and continues to beat him. If he does that, then we can finally put Gumby out to pasture. Not until.

When Gumby loses to an opponent, he usually has a way of humiliating him the next time they play. He's obsessive in that pursuit. He doesn't leave things unchanged for a decade while his main rival continues to crap on him like Federer did vs Nadal

in their first decade of play. He usually changes things and comes up with a new game plan. Let's see what happens.

totally agree, people saying he won't win another slam, despite winning 3/4 last slams and taking the World #1 super best player to 5 close sets LOL who here reckons if it wasn't Alcaraz in the final Djoker would've won in straights?!

Not only that, even with the 16 years younger Alcaraz in the final, it was close and could have gone either way. It's not like Alcaraz came out and crushed Djokovic in straights. Djokovic made a few uncharacteristic errors from what I could see by

watching some highlights.

They'll have more battles and some will likely go Djokovic's way. It will give Djokovic some motivation because what does he really have to play now for? The CYGS is off the table. All he really should want to do now is separate himself further from

Federer and Nadal as Nadal could come back and win another FO for all we know. If Djokovic can win a couple of more slams, he'll ensure that the slam record will likely never be broken and that he will sit at the very top of the mountain for all time.

It APPEARED close only because Alcaraz threw the first set away. And the reason for that is that his confidence in facing Joker was still shaken after the FO. Otherwise it would have been 3-1. Now the baggage is off his shoulders...

That's my assessment, too. And that, to a degree, the baggage is now on
Djok's. As well as Father Time's fat ass...

But what? We've got the USO soon, the year end, and the AO. That'll tell
us what's what. And there's really no need to predict a winner before
then. I'll go so far as to say that I'd not favor Djok, but I'd not say
that Alcaraz will win.

Possibly neither or only one will make it to the final of each.

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--Charles Bukowski ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Court_1 kirjoitti 17.7.2023 klo 2.50:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:27:46 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain
USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his
amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of
the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older
guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys
was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

--
"It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog
that barks at you."

--Sawfish

Court says age isn't an issue

It was a five set battle! Djokovic just won three of the last four slams he entered and made the final of the most recent one it what appears to have been a hard-fought battle and now we're calling him "too old?" You crack me up.

Yup. Djoke will come back stronger when he climbs back from his egg.

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:42:28 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:00:29 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:55:38 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 5:08:10 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: >>>> Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end

of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for

the game. Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough

match-up for Alcaraz!

Gracchus, I see you responded but I don't see your comment?

LOL! I must have lost my train of thought. IIRC, I was going to say that Alcaraz sees Sinner as his toughest *contemporary* rival, but I don't think he'll have the flexibility to keep up with Alcaraz as their games develop further. The h2h is slightly

misleading too, because Alcaraz clearly had physical problems during their Miami match. Not just cramping--he hurt his left hand and wasn't the same after the first set. The Berdych comparison is apt. He can look awesome when he's zoning, but plays too
many predictable patterns. Djokovic looked like he was reading Sinner's mind the other day.

Man, Sinner is just horrible for me to watch. He can hit a maximum of five shots and then he makes an error!

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 3:59:24 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:

Court_1 kirjoitti 17.7.2023 klo 2.50:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:27:46 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:17:30 PM UTC+3, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/16/23 10:56 AM, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the
end of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain >>>> USO and Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his
amazing health.

For the first time, clearly, Djok looked all of 36.

One of the telling factors was that Alcaraz won in the *front* half of >>> the court. He has the best short court game I've seen and for an older >>> guy, having to come to the forecourt after drop shots or touch volleys >>> was a significant factor. Cumulatively, it sapped Djok.

The boy has A LOT of game, that's for sure.

--
"It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone at every dog
that barks at you."

--Sawfish

Court says age isn't an issue

It was a five set battle! Djokovic just won three of the last four slams he entered and made the final of the most recent one it what appears to have been a hard-fought battle and now we're calling him "too old?" You crack me up.

Yup. Djoke will come back stronger when he climbs back from his egg.

No doubt!

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undecided <costasz@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:08:10PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote: > > On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote: > > > On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote: > > >> On 16/07/2023 20:

35, Shakes wrote: > > >>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: > > >>>> Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end > > >>>> of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and > > >>

Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health. > > >>> I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown. > > >>> > > >>> I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final

poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game. Now all he needs is a young rival. > > >>
Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams. > > > Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse. > > > I'
m now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is > > insurmountable.> It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against
the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough match-up for Alcaraz!He is slightly smaller than Berdych but he hits as hard or harder. And, he seems to be quite mobile. Not Fed/Rafa/Djoker/Alcaraz level but quite good. His
shots seem to have a lot of margin. That why he gives Alcaraz trouble.

I think Alcaraz will take care of Sinner in their future matches and his last loss to him was the result of overplaying.

Sinner is very overrated and Whisper likes the guy the same way he liked Roddick.
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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:08:10 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough match-

up for Alcaraz!
He is slightly smaller than Berdych but he hits as hard or harder. And, he seems to be quite mobile. Not Fed/Rafa/Djoker/Alcaraz level but quite good. His shots seem to have a lot of margin. That why he gives Alcaraz trouble.

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On 7/20/23 6:24 AM, undecided wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:08:10 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end >>>>>>> of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and >>>>>>> Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is
insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough match-

up for Alcaraz!

He is slightly smaller than Berdych but he hits as hard or harder. And, he seems to be quite mobile. Not Fed/Rafa/Djoker/Alcaraz level but quite good. His shots seem to have a lot of margin. That why he gives Alcaraz trouble.

Sinner is frustrating, tantalizing. He shows much better than average
mobility, yet is tall with the sort of serve that comes with increased
eight [NOTE: So how the hell does Alcaraz do it, huh? :^) ].  His head
seems screwed on solid--not like Tsitsi or Zverev.

But he seems to fade toward the end of five sets, and since I do not see
a mental breakdown (body language still good, etc.) I'm for now
attributing it to stamina.

...but it could also be bad ju-ju.

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On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:36:40 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/20/23 6:24 AM, undecided wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:08:10 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: >>>>>>> Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end

of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the

game. Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is
insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough

match-up for Alcaraz!

He is slightly smaller than Berdych but he hits as hard or harder. And, he seems to be quite mobile. Not Fed/Rafa/Djoker/Alcaraz level but quite good. His shots seem to have a lot of margin. That why he gives Alcaraz trouble.

Sinner is frustrating, tantalizing. He shows much better than average mobility, yet is tall with the sort of serve that comes with increased
eight [NOTE: So how the hell does Alcaraz do it, huh? :^) ]. His head
seems screwed on solid--not like Tsitsi or Zverev.

But he seems to fade toward the end of five sets, and since I do not see
a mental breakdown (body language still good, etc.) I'm for now
attributing it to stamina.

...but it could also be bad ju-ju.

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Sinner still has belief that he has a chance at beating anyone. Djoker may have helped extinguish that belief. That is crucial in the career trajectory of young players. If they think they have a chance they will work even harder. If they don't then they
plateau. I think Sinner thought he would do better vs Djoker but he got destroyed. I don't know what that did to him yet.

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On 22/07/2023 7:20 am, undecided wrote:

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:36:40 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/20/23 6:24 AM, undecided wrote:

Sinner still has belief that he has a chance at beating anyone. Djoker may have helped extinguish that belief. That is crucial in the career trajectory of young players. If they think they have a chance they will work even harder. If >they don't then

they plateau. I think Sinner thought he would do better vs Djoker but he got destroyed. I don't know what that did to him yet.


Sinner seems to have what it takes to win a few slams, great talent.
However there must be something missing in his mental makeup given he's
made no changes or improvements to his game at all. I was stunned to
see his effort v Novak in semis, like he just played the same as always
and right into Novak's hands, no new tricks/strategy. Maybe he was
trying new things, but it didn't look like it to me. He's going to have
to get some help else he'll end up another Zverev.

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On Tuesday, 18 July 2023 at 01:08:10 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end
of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game.

Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough match-

up for Alcaraz!

yes totally agreed.

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On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 16:36:40 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/20/23 6:24 AM, undecided wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:08:10 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: >>>>>>> Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end

of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the

game. Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is
insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough

match-up for Alcaraz!

He is slightly smaller than Berdych but he hits as hard or harder. And, he seems to be quite mobile. Not Fed/Rafa/Djoker/Alcaraz level but quite good. His shots seem to have a lot of margin. That why he gives Alcaraz trouble.

Sinner is frustrating, tantalizing. He shows much better than average mobility, yet is tall with the sort of serve that comes with increased
eight [NOTE: So how the hell does Alcaraz do it, huh? :^) ]. His head
seems screwed on solid--not like Tsitsi or Zverev.

But he seems to fade toward the end of five sets, and since I do not see
a mental breakdown (body language still good, etc.) I'm for now
attributing it to stamina.

...but it could also be bad ju-ju.

Sinner has everything to win Wimbledon, just not a coach who can give him a clue about winning a slam which is what he needs.

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On Tuesday, 18 July 2023 at 12:39:36 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 18.7.2023 14.12, Whisper wrote:

On 17/07/2023 5:30 pm, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end >>>>> of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO >>>>> and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing >>>>> health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I >>>> thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in
the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of
Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an >>>> exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the game. Now all he needs >>>> is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he
dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter
stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner
doesn't have that excuse.

Sinner and Rune will fight it out for no.2 over the coming yrs.

A clowny situation. Not to mention that Mom & M will be constantly around.

you know Mouratoglou doesn't coach Rune anymore?

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On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:12:13 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

Sinner has everything to win Wimbledon, just not a coach who can give him a clue about winning a slam which is what he needs.

In an interview the day before their match, Djokovic said of Sinner, "I think I know his game pretty well." That remark should have been a huge clue to Sinner that he'd better have some surprises ready. He didn't, and we saw what happened. So yeah, a
good coach with some fresh ideas. would be a nice start.

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On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 10:01:26 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:

On 22/07/2023 7:20 am, undecided wrote:

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:36:40 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/20/23 6:24 AM, undecided wrote:

Sinner still has belief that he has a chance at beating anyone. Djoker may have helped extinguish that belief. That is crucial in the career trajectory of young players. If they think they have a chance they will work even harder. If >they don't then

they plateau. I think Sinner thought he would do better vs Djoker but he got destroyed. I don't know what that did to him yet.

Sinner seems to have what it takes to win a few slams, great talent.
However there must be something missing in his mental makeup given he's
made no changes or improvements to his game at all. I was stunned to
see his effort v Novak in semis, like he just played the same as always
and right into Novak's hands, no new tricks/strategy. Maybe he was
trying new things, but it didn't look like it to me. He's going to have
to get some help else he'll end up another Zverev.

yes think it's cos he's the type of player(like a lower-level version of Murray) who need someone else to help him get over the hurdle, to tell/show him how to do it. He cannot believe he can get past semi-final level as Djoker match proved.

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On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:12:13 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:

On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 16:36:40 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/20/23 6:24 AM, undecided wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:08:10 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/17/23 12:30 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 20:48:40 UTC+1, grif wrote:

On 16/07/2023 20:35, Shakes wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: >>>>>>> Novak amazing to get this close at age 36. Good chance this is the end

of Novak's slam winning days. Carlos will be hot fave to retain USO and
Novak 37 next yr, very old for a tennis player despite his amazing health.

I thought 2019 F was better in overall quality over 5 sets. Today, I thought the 1st and 3rd sets were a letdown.

I picked Djok in 5 in the pre-final poll. He had a chance early in the 5th set when he missed 2 relatively easy shots in one of Alcaraz's service games. But I am not disappointed as Alcaraz is an exciting player, and a good kid. Good for the

game. Now all he needs is a young rival.

Alcaraz's draw was not easy. I was surprised how comfortably he dispatched Rune. Rune seems to perform disappointingly in the latter stages of slams.

Rune seems pretty clueless, very talented, but clueless. Sinner doesn't have that excuse.

I'm now thinking that Sinner may have a stamina problem that is
insurmountable.

It has nothing to do with stamina IMO. It's his game. He's a much lesser Berdych. Just a dumb ball-basher with zero plan B. At least Berdych pulled off some wins against the Big Three. However, the weird thing is that Sinner seems to be a tough

match-up for Alcaraz!

He is slightly smaller than Berdych but he hits as hard or harder. And, he seems to be quite mobile. Not Fed/Rafa/Djoker/Alcaraz level but quite good. His shots seem to have a lot of margin. That why he gives Alcaraz trouble.

Sinner is frustrating, tantalizing. He shows much better than average mobility, yet is tall with the sort of serve that comes with increased eight [NOTE: So how the hell does Alcaraz do it, huh? :^) ]. His head seems screwed on solid--not like Tsitsi or Zverev.

But he seems to fade toward the end of five sets, and since I do not see
a mental breakdown (body language still good, etc.) I'm for now attributing it to stamina.

...but it could also be bad ju-ju.

Sinner has everything to win Wimbledon, just not a coach who can give him a clue about winning a slam which is what he needs.

Didn't Cahill coach slam-winners Simona Halep and Andre Agassi?

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On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:21:02 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:12:13 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

Sinner has everything to win Wimbledon, just not a coach who can give him a clue about winning a slam which is what he needs.

In an interview the day before their match, Djokovic said of Sinner, "I think I know his game pretty well." That remark should have been a huge clue to Sinner that he'd better have some surprises ready. He didn't, and we saw what happened. So yeah, a

good coach with some fresh ideas. would be a nice start.

Sinner is one-dimensional. Of course Djokovic knows his game. Big serve, three ball-bashing shots and then the fourth shot goes into the net. Federer could come out of retirement right this minute without any practice sessions and probably beat Sinner.
Any players who have well-rounded games with good tennis IQ's should be able to beat Sinner.

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