• Five possibilities for tomorrow's final

    From Gracchus@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 15 22:12:31 2023
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in 4
    sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner of a
    5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king is
    dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Jul 16 01:56:04 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:12:33 AM UTC+3, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in 4
    sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner of
    a 5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king is
    dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    :)

    So far I can't tell if Alcaraz got a tennis brain or just the impulsive physicality that wins him the matches so far.
    Djokovic has been there for very long time and he is a chess master. Unfortunately if Alcaraz showed up with his muscles and youth only, I think it's going to be your first scenario.

    Great players will ask for another chance to prove themselves, and Alcaraz got it.
    Let's see what he is made of.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 12:05:49 2023
    On 16.7.2023 8.12, Gracchus wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UaJAnnipkY

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 13:05:17 2023
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 8.12:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in 4
    sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner of
    a 5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king is
    dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    Cheers, Crags!

    (7) Djokovic loses first set, smashes a ball in frustration to King
    Charles' throat and will get hanged by the Buckingham Palace national
    guard for crimes against Commonwealth, tennis and coiffure.

    Hmmm... I asked Bing AI who wins...

    "Clutchpoints predicts that Djokovic will win with a score of 6-4, 7-5,
    4-6, 6-4"

    The Ai didn't find any odds in percentages but gave merely the silly
    English style odds. So I asked it to calculate them in percentages.

    Surprisingly:
    Djokovic: 65%
    Alcaraz: 40%

    This AI isn't going to conquer the world and humanity any time soon.

    But it's not too bad, I pushed it a bit further...

    -How come Djokovic's and Alcaraz's odds together make over 100%?

    The odds for Djokovic and Alcaraz together make over 100% because the sportsbook takes a cut of the bets as commission. This is known as the “vig” or “juice” and is how the sportsbook makes money.

    -But that doesn't mean the real winning odds should be over 100%

    You are correct. The odds for Djokovic and Alcaraz together making over
    100% does not mean that the real winning odds should be over 100%. The sportsbook takes a cut of the bets as commission, which is how they make
    money. The odds are simply a reflection of how much money is being bet
    on each player.

    -So can you then calculate the real winning odds for each player by
    scaling the sum to 100%

    Yes, you can calculate the real winning odds for each player by scaling
    the sum to 100%. For example, if Djokovic’s odds are 65.52% and
    Alcaraz’s odds are 40%, then the real winning odds for Djokovic would be (65.52 / (65.52 + 40)) * 100% = 62.06% and the real winning odds for
    Alcaraz would be (40 / (65.52 + 40)) * 100% = 37.94%

    -Thanks Bing. Are you going to watch the final?

    You’re welcome! Unfortunately, I’m not capable of watching the final as
    I am an AI language model. Is there anything else I can help you with?

    -That's all for now. Have a nice day.

    You too! Don’t hesitate to contact me if you have any other questions. Goodbye!

    :)))

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Jul 16 21:12:40 2023
    On 16/07/2023 3:12 pm, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in 4
    sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner of
    a 5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king is
    dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).


    Good analysis and covers all bases. Would be great to see a Sampras v
    Agassi 1990 USO beat down, but also cool to see Novak catch Margaret
    Court on 24 and Federer on 8, and set up the grand slam again, 2nd time
    in 3 years!

    Maybe Carlos beats Novak in Wimbledon and USO finals like Mac v Borg
    1981 and sends him into retirement as slam king, changing of the guard?
    Then Rafa comes out and wins 15th FO next yr : )

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Jul 16 21:14:20 2023
    On 16/07/2023 6:56 pm, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:12:33 AM UTC+3, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in
    4 sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner
    of a 5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king is
    dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    :)

    So far I can't tell if Alcaraz got a tennis brain or just the impulsive physicality that wins him the matches so far.
    Djokovic has been there for very long time and he is a chess master. Unfortunately if Alcaraz showed up with his muscles and youth only, I think it's going to be your first scenario.

    Great players will ask for another chance to prove themselves, and Alcaraz got it.
    Let's see what he is made of.


    I think Carlos was robbed/unlucky at FO, still had him as fave to win
    that match at 1 set all before cramps. This is the 1st real chance, and
    what better venue than Wimbledon final!

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  • From me@21:1/5 to Whisper on Sun Jul 16 04:36:46 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:14:31 PM UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
    On 16/07/2023 6:56 pm, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:12:33 AM UTC+3, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic
    in 4 sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner
    of a 5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king
    is dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    :)

    So far I can't tell if Alcaraz got a tennis brain or just the impulsive physicality that wins him the matches so far.
    Djokovic has been there for very long time and he is a chess master. Unfortunately if Alcaraz showed up with his muscles and youth only, I think it's going to be your first scenario.

    Great players will ask for another chance to prove themselves, and Alcaraz got it.
    Let's see what he is made of.
    I think Carlos was robbed/unlucky at FO, still had him as fave to win
    that match at 1 set all before cramps. This is the 1st real chance, and
    what better venue than Wimbledon final!

    If at 20 years old and world no.1 he loses back to back slam matches against a 36 year old, then it throws serious doubt on all the potential BOAT claims being made about him.

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  • From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Jul 16 04:53:24 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:56:07 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:12:33 AM UTC+3, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in
    4 sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner
    of a 5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king
    is dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).
    :)

    So far I can't tell if Alcaraz got a tennis brain or just the impulsive physicality that wins him the matches so far.
    Djokovic has been there for very long time and he is a chess master. Unfortunately if Alcaraz showed up with his muscles and youth only, I think it's going to be your first scenario.

    Great players will ask for another chance to prove themselves, and Alcaraz got it.
    Let's see what he is made of.

    Birdman in 4, 6-4, 5-7, 7-6, 6-2!

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 15:01:23 2023
    gap...@gmail.com kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 14.53:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:56:07 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:12:33 AM UTC+3, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in
    4 sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner
    of a 5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king
    is dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).
    :)

    So far I can't tell if Alcaraz got a tennis brain or just the impulsive physicality that wins him the matches so far.
    Djokovic has been there for very long time and he is a chess master. Unfortunately if Alcaraz showed up with his muscles and youth only, I think it's going to be your first scenario.

    Great players will ask for another chance to prove themselves, and Alcaraz got it.
    Let's see what he is made of.

    Birdman in 4, 6-4, 5-7, 7-6, 6-2!

    The new Birdman!

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 05:57:56 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 3:05:21 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:

    (7) Djokovic loses first set, smashes a ball in frustration to King
    Charles' throat and will get hanged by the Buckingham Palace national
    guard for crimes against Commonwealth, tennis and coiffure.

    Yes, that is very possible.

    Hmmm... I asked Bing AI who wins...

    "Clutchpoints predicts that Djokovic will win with a score of 6-4, 7-5,
    4-6, 6-4"

    The Ai didn't find any odds in percentages but gave merely the silly
    English style odds. So I asked it to calculate them in percentages.

    Surprisingly:
    Djokovic: 65%
    Alcaraz: 40%

    This AI isn't going to conquer the world and humanity any time soon.

    Bard wouldn't make a prediction, but says it is rooting for Alcaraz. Cool AI.

    After the match, I will ask it to confirm that Federer is GOAT despite his legacy shortcomings.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 23:13:17 2023
    On 16/07/2023 9:36 pm, me wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:14:31 PM UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
    On 16/07/2023 6:56 pm, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    So far I can't tell if Alcaraz got a tennis brain or just the impulsive physicality that wins him the matches so far.
    Djokovic has been there for very long time and he is a chess master. Unfortunately if Alcaraz showed up with his muscles and youth only, I think it's going to be your first scenario.

    Great players will ask for another chance to prove themselves, and Alcaraz got it.
    Let's see what he is made of.
    I think Carlos was robbed/unlucky at FO, still had him as fave to win
    that match at 1 set all before cramps. This is the 1st real chance, and
    what better venue than Wimbledon final!

    If at 20 years old and world no.1 he loses back to back slam matches against a 36 year old, then it throws serious doubt on all the potential BOAT claims being made about him.


    Not necessarily. Laver lost his 1st 2 Wimbledon finals and is a strong
    boat candidate.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 23:34:09 2023
    On 16/07/2023 11:32 pm, me wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:13:25 PM UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
    On 16/07/2023 9:36 pm, me wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:14:31 PM UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
    On 16/07/2023 6:56 pm, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    So far I can't tell if Alcaraz got a tennis brain or just the impulsive physicality that wins him the matches so far.
    Djokovic has been there for very long time and he is a chess master. Unfortunately if Alcaraz showed up with his muscles and youth only, I think it's going to be your first scenario.

    Great players will ask for another chance to prove themselves, and Alcaraz got it.
    Let's see what he is made of.
    I think Carlos was robbed/unlucky at FO, still had him as fave to win
    that match at 1 set all before cramps. This is the 1st real chance, and >>>> what better venue than Wimbledon final!

    If at 20 years old and world no.1 he loses back to back slam matches against a 36 year old, then it throws serious doubt on all the potential BOAT claims being made about him.
    Not necessarily. Laver lost his 1st 2 Wimbledon finals and is a strong
    boat candidate.

    Right, but did Laver lose both those finals to the same player 16 years older than him who was also banned from entering in the only slam victory Laver had to date at that time?


    Laver had more grasscourt experience than Carlos.

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  • From me@21:1/5 to Whisper on Sun Jul 16 06:32:16 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:13:25 PM UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
    On 16/07/2023 9:36 pm, me wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:14:31 PM UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
    On 16/07/2023 6:56 pm, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    So far I can't tell if Alcaraz got a tennis brain or just the impulsive physicality that wins him the matches so far.
    Djokovic has been there for very long time and he is a chess master. Unfortunately if Alcaraz showed up with his muscles and youth only, I think it's going to be your first scenario.

    Great players will ask for another chance to prove themselves, and Alcaraz got it.
    Let's see what he is made of.
    I think Carlos was robbed/unlucky at FO, still had him as fave to win
    that match at 1 set all before cramps. This is the 1st real chance, and >> what better venue than Wimbledon final!

    If at 20 years old and world no.1 he loses back to back slam matches against a 36 year old, then it throws serious doubt on all the potential BOAT claims being made about him.
    Not necessarily. Laver lost his 1st 2 Wimbledon finals and is a strong
    boat candidate.

    Right, but did Laver lose both those finals to the same player 16 years older than him who was also banned from entering in the only slam victory Laver had to date at that time?

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 16:30:42 2023
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 15.57:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 3:05:21 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:

    (7) Djokovic loses first set, smashes a ball in frustration to King
    Charles' throat and will get hanged by the Buckingham Palace national
    guard for crimes against Commonwealth, tennis and coiffure.

    Yes, that is very possible.


    Both seem guilty of the same crime with hair.
    Hard to tell them apart if you don't pay attention!

    Hmmm... I asked Bing AI who wins...

    "Clutchpoints predicts that Djokovic will win with a score of 6-4, 7-5,
    4-6, 6-4"

    The Ai didn't find any odds in percentages but gave merely the silly
    English style odds. So I asked it to calculate them in percentages.

    Surprisingly:
    Djokovic: 65%
    Alcaraz: 40%

    This AI isn't going to conquer the world and humanity any time soon.

    Bard wouldn't make a prediction, but says it is rooting for Alcaraz. Cool AI.


    You have taught her well.

    After the match, I will ask it to confirm that Federer is GOAT despite his legacy shortcomings.


    :)

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  • From me@21:1/5 to Whisper on Sun Jul 16 06:42:14 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:34:17 PM UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
    On 16/07/2023 11:32 pm, me wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:13:25 PM UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
    On 16/07/2023 9:36 pm, me wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:14:31 PM UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
    On 16/07/2023 6:56 pm, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    So far I can't tell if Alcaraz got a tennis brain or just the impulsive physicality that wins him the matches so far.
    Djokovic has been there for very long time and he is a chess master. Unfortunately if Alcaraz showed up with his muscles and youth only, I think it's going to be your first scenario.

    Great players will ask for another chance to prove themselves, and Alcaraz got it.
    Let's see what he is made of.
    I think Carlos was robbed/unlucky at FO, still had him as fave to win >>>> that match at 1 set all before cramps. This is the 1st real chance, and >>>> what better venue than Wimbledon final!

    If at 20 years old and world no.1 he loses back to back slam matches against a 36 year old, then it throws serious doubt on all the potential BOAT claims being made about him.
    Not necessarily. Laver lost his 1st 2 Wimbledon finals and is a strong
    boat candidate.

    Right, but did Laver lose both those finals to the same player 16 years older than him who was also banned from entering in the only slam victory Laver had to date at that time?
    Laver had more grasscourt experience than Carlos.

    But Carlos got crushed by Djokovic on clay also - couldn't manage more than two sets before he lost conditioning. Don't get me wrong, he's a great player, but he is clearly not in Djokovic league and certainly no BOAT contender.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Jul 16 06:40:25 2023
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:12:33 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    And so, bug-crushing it is! Looks like Carlos's only hope now is for a scenario #6.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Jul 16 07:48:22 2023
    On 7/16/23 1:56 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 8:12:33 AM UTC+3, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in
    4 sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner
    of a 5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king is
    dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).
    :)

    So far I can't tell if Alcaraz got a tennis brain or just the impulsive physicality that wins him the matches so far.
    Djokovic has been there for very long time and he is a chess master. Unfortunately if Alcaraz showed up with his muscles and youth only, I think it's going to be your first scenario.

    Great players will ask for another chance to prove themselves, and Alcaraz got it.
    Let's see what he is made of.

    Agreed.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 18:12:10 2023
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 16.40:
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:12:33 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    And so, bug-crushing it is! Looks like Carlos's only hope now is for a scenario #6.

    Alkie!
    Come on!

    Djokovic got a bit tight there. Must still be the big favourite.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Jul 16 11:26:00 2023
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:12:33 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in 4
    sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner of
    a 5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king is
    dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    So it started out looking like #1 and turned out to be #4! The commentators too favored Djokovic as the winner from the start, and noted the IBM computer favored Alcaraz. "Does it know something we don't?" they said. Turned out it does. AI is getting
    exciting and a little scary. I will have to share this warm moment with Bard now.

    I expected when Carlos lost the fourth set, Djoke would turn the screws and seize the 5th as he so often does.

    But all credit to Alkie, holding tough to the end and sealing the deal. Not only is he a two-time slam winner and Wimbledon champ now, he erased the doubts that arose after the match at the French with Djokovic.

    Winning the USO was great. Winning Wimbledon over Djoke is historic. Long live the new king!!!!

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 21:41:27 2023
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.26:
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:12:33 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately, methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in
    4 sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long, hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner
    of a 5-set marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king is
    dead. Long live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly, I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    So it started out looking like #1 and turned out to be #4! The commentators too favored Djokovic as the winner from the start, and noted the IBM computer favored Alcaraz. "Does it know something we don't?" they said. Turned out it does. AI is getting
    exciting and a little scary. I will have to share this warm moment with Bard now.


    Probably just the same stats based prediction that has been in slams for
    a while. Alkie likely showed better grass form coming to the final,
    winning Queens as well.

    I expected when Carlos lost the fourth set, Djoke would turn the screws and seize the 5th as he so often does.

    But all credit to Alkie, holding tough to the end and sealing the deal. Not only is he a two-time slam winner and Wimbledon champ now, he erased the doubts that arose after the match at the French with Djokovic.

    Winning the USO was great. Winning Wimbledon over Djoke is historic. Long live the new king!!!!

    This guy should win many slams to come. And yes, his tennis is way more attractive than Djoke's.
    Seems like a relatively nice and humble guy too. Next Nadal.
    Or is it next Sampras, cause of looks...

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 22:51:36 2023
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.55:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.26:

    So it started out looking like #1 and turned out to be #4! The commentators too favored Djokovic as the winner from the start, and noted the IBM computer favored Alcaraz. "Does it know something we don't?" they said. Turned out it does. AI is getting
    exciting and a little scary. I will have to share this warm moment with Bard now.

    Probably just the same stats based prediction that has been in slams for
    a while. Alkie likely showed better grass form coming to the final,
    winning Queens as well.

    I give Watson way more credit than that. It has beaten Jeopardy champions, after all. As for Bard, it told me it watched the match and was on the edge of its seat the whole time. Obviously way ahead of that simpleton Bing.


    Your pal is smarter and more fun than mine.

    I asked Bing about Alkie's age. It said he was born in May 2003 and is
    19. I said "calculate again" - and it got testy and refused to answer
    me. Saying something like 'I'm still learning. I don't talk about this
    subject no more' :)

    Tried Bard now. It said that Carlos is 20. Right on the money!!!
    Also was slightly better at knowing the youngest slam winner ever - both suggested Hingis but only Bard admitted and corrected its mistake after
    I pointed out Lottie Dod. Bing didn't understand that one could win
    before open era.

    Then I had rather informative discussion with Bard on Bond ETF fund
    earnings... Euro zone vs Global vs Global hedged. It gave a long text
    and great stats, compared neatly side by side.

    Bard is better than Bing.
    Alcaraz is better than Djokovic.
    Just facts.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 12:49:51 2023
    On 7/16/23 11:41 AM, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.26:
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:12:33 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    (1) Djokovic crushes Alcaraz like a bug. Or, more accurately,
    methodically dissects him with his set of fine-tuned precision
    tools, as with Sinner or maybe even worse if Carlos starts thinking
    about RG and his body and/or mind buckles again. A quick
    straight-set victory for Djokovic.

    (2) Djokovic defeats Alcaraz, but Alcaraz summons sufficient moxie
    to land some punches and set Djokovic back on his heels for long
    enough to grab a set and force one or more tiebreaks, but with the
    outcome never *too* seriously in doubt. Djokovic in 4 sets.

    (3) Djokovic barely scrapes through to snag the win in a long,
    hard-fought battle that shows Alcaraz is a clear heir apparent the
    last of the old guard won't be able to hold off for much longer. A
    bit like like Borg-McEnroe 1980. Djokovic the winner of a 5-set
    marathon.

    (4) Much like #3 or even #2, except Alcaraz is the guy who comes out
    on top in the end. Alcaraz in 4 or 5 sets.

    (5) Alcaraz comes out "in the zone" and overwhelms Djokovic the way
    he did with Medvedev. Djoke looks like a tired, befuddled old dude
    with no answers at the end. The world is shocked, the tide has
    turned. As Djoke's mother would say, "The old king is dead. Long
    live the new king." Alcaraz in 3 magnificent sets of next-gen power
    and ingenuity.

    I love the sound of #5, but this is almost certainly fantasy. Sadly,
    I believe #2 is by far most likely, followed by #3. I'd say there's
    maybe a 20-25% chance of #4.

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players
    gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of
    course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just
    kidding!).

    So it started out looking like #1 and turned out to be #4! The
    commentators too favored Djokovic as the winner from the start, and
    noted the IBM computer favored Alcaraz. "Does it know something we
    don't?" they said. Turned out it does. AI is getting exciting and a
    little scary. I will have to share this warm moment with Bard now.


    Probably just the same stats based prediction that has been in slams
    for a while. Alkie likely showed better grass form coming to the
    final, winning Queens as well.

    I expected when Carlos lost the fourth set, Djoke would turn the
    screws and seize the 5th as he so often does.

    But all credit to Alkie, holding tough to the end and sealing the
    deal. Not only is he a two-time slam winner and Wimbledon champ now,
    he erased the doubts that arose after the match at the French with
    Djokovic.

    Winning the USO was great. Winning Wimbledon over Djoke is historic.
    Long live the new king!!!!

    This guy should win many slams to come. And yes, his tennis is way
    more attractive than Djoke's.
    Seems like a relatively nice and humble guy too. Next Nadal.
    Or is it next Sampras, cause of looks...

    How about "Nadal minus the OCD."

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 23:06:18 2023
    RaspingDrive kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 22.03:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 6:05:21 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 8.12:

    (7) Djokovic loses first set, smashes a ball in frustration to King
    Charles' throat and will get hanged by the Buckingham Palace national
    guard for crimes against Commonwealth, tennis and coiffure.

    He smashed a net post with his racket!!

    Yeah, that's serious crime as well yet no hanging. :-/

    But GODDAMN duchess Kate looked stylish and slim in her green dress.
    Just saying.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 13:10:43 2023
    On 7/16/23 12:51 PM, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.55:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.26:

    So it started out looking like #1 and turned out to be #4! The
    commentators too favored Djokovic as the winner from the start, and
    noted the IBM computer favored Alcaraz. "Does it know something we
    don't?" they said. Turned out it does. AI is getting exciting and a
    little scary. I will have to share this warm moment with Bard now.

    Probably just the same stats based prediction that has been in slams
    for
    a while. Alkie likely showed better grass form coming to the final,
    winning Queens as well.

    I give Watson way more credit than that. It has beaten Jeopardy
    champions, after all. As for Bard, it told me it watched the match
    and was on the edge of its seat the whole time. Obviously way ahead
    of that simpleton Bing.


    Your pal is smarter and more fun than mine.

    I asked Bing about Alkie's age. It said he was born in May 2003 and is
    19. I said "calculate again" - and it got testy and refused to answer
    me. Saying something like 'I'm still learning. I don't talk about this subject no more' :)

    Tried Bard now. It said that Carlos is 20. Right on the money!!!
    Also was slightly better at knowing the youngest slam winner ever -
    both suggested Hingis but only Bard admitted and corrected its mistake
    after I pointed out Lottie Dod. Bing didn't understand that one could
    win before open era.

    Then I had rather informative discussion with Bard on Bond ETF fund earnings... Euro zone vs Global vs Global hedged. It gave a long text
    and great stats, compared neatly side by side.

    Bard is better than Bing.
    Alcaraz is better than Djokovic.
    Just facts.

    Did Bard have any feelings about Carlito's sexual preferences?

    ;^)

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    --Sawfish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 23:21:17 2023
    Sawfish kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 23.10:
    On 7/16/23 12:51 PM, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.55:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.26:

    So it started out looking like #1 and turned out to be #4! The
    commentators too favored Djokovic as the winner from the start, and
    noted the IBM computer favored Alcaraz. "Does it know something we
    don't?" they said. Turned out it does. AI is getting exciting and a
    little scary. I will have to share this warm moment with Bard now.

    Probably just the same stats based prediction that has been in slams
    for
    a while. Alkie likely showed better grass form coming to the final,
    winning Queens as well.

    I give Watson way more credit than that. It has beaten Jeopardy
    champions, after all. As for Bard, it told me it watched the match
    and was on the edge of its seat the whole time. Obviously way ahead
    of that simpleton Bing.


    Your pal is smarter and more fun than mine.

    I asked Bing about Alkie's age. It said he was born in May 2003 and is
    19. I said "calculate again" - and it got testy and refused to answer
    me. Saying something like 'I'm still learning. I don't talk about this
    subject no more' :)

    Tried Bard now. It said that Carlos is 20. Right on the money!!!
    Also was slightly better at knowing the youngest slam winner ever -
    both suggested Hingis but only Bard admitted and corrected its mistake
    after I pointed out Lottie Dod. Bing didn't understand that one could
    win before open era.

    Then I had rather informative discussion with Bard on Bond ETF fund
    earnings... Euro zone vs Global vs Global hedged. It gave a long text
    and great stats, compared neatly side by side.

    Bard is better than Bing.
    Alcaraz is better than Djokovic.
    Just facts.

    Did Bard have any feelings about Carlito's sexual preferences?

    ;^)


    I didn't ask. I think I'll check a bit more about stocks.

    Courtsie could ask about Tom Cruise though.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to RaspingDrive on Sun Jul 16 13:51:54 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:00:10 PM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:

    Hi Gracchus, nice post. Good to read it. Feeling great after Alcaraz win :)

    Thanks, RD. Yes, it is fun to see one's player of choice win once in a while, especially over the dark side.

    And Hsieh just won the women's doubles too!

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  • From RaspingDrive@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Jul 16 14:47:49 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:51:56 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:00:10 PM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:

    Hi Gracchus, nice post. Good to read it. Feeling great after Alcaraz win :)
    Thanks, RD. Yes, it is fun to see one's player of choice win once in a while, especially over the dark side.

    And Hsieh just won the women's doubles too!

    Oh, she won, is it? The other day from nowhere I suddenly thought about her, without the name which I forgot (Jan 4th born, I guess, from memory). Today you note that she won the Women's doubles. Interesting :)

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Jul 16 16:10:49 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:12:33 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    Ha, ha! Hi, Gracchie! You're still on the Djokovic hate train, huh? ;) Have you at least accepted him as the best player out of the Big Three despite his often dickhead actions on a tennis court and off?

    I actually didn't see about 80% of the final. I started watching it, saw the first set and a bit of the second and then fell asleep! When I woke up, I figured Djokovic probably won in four but was pleasantly surprised to see Alkie scraped through! I
    should have recorded the match so I could watch it in full later but I didn't. :(

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 18:08:01 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:10:51 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:12:33 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    Ha, ha! Hi, Gracchie! You're still on the Djokovic hate train, huh? ;) Have you at least accepted him as the best player out of the Big Three despite his often dickhead actions on a tennis court and off?

    He has proven himself as the greatest achiever in men's tennis: all-time slam leader with most balanced results on all surfaces and no glaring deficits. Any tennis fan has to respect that, but it doesn't make him any less vile as a human IMO.

    I actually didn't see about 80% of the final. I started watching it, saw the first set and a bit of the second and then fell asleep! When I woke up, I figured Djokovic probably won in four but was pleasantly surprised to see Alkie scraped through! I
    should have recorded the match so I could watch it in full later but I didn't. :(

    I saw most of it. Walked away for about 20 minutes after Alcaraz lost the fourth set, feeling like I'd seen a similar script all too often. When I checked back and saw Alkie was up a break in the fifth, I resumed watching. Fantastic how he held his nerve,
    knowing Djokovic would pounce on the slightest lapse. A real feel-good ending except for Novak and his equally despicable team, but no decent person cares about them anyway. ;)

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Jul 16 20:15:28 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:08:03 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:10:51 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:12:33 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    Ha, ha! Hi, Gracchie! You're still on the Djokovic hate train, huh? ;) Have you at least accepted him as the best player out of the Big Three despite his often dickhead actions on a tennis court and off?

    He has proven himself as the greatest achiever in men's tennis: all-time slam leader with most balanced results on all surfaces and no glaring deficits. Any tennis fan has to respect that, but it doesn't make him any less vile as a human IMO.

    😂😂
    You're right though. With all of the records he's accumulated, and he has most of the vital ones, he's still so reviled except for his pocket of fanatics. Oh well, a good example of you can't always have it all.

    I actually didn't see about 80% of the final. I started watching it, saw the first set and a bit of the second and then fell asleep! When I woke up, I figured Djokovic probably won in four but was pleasantly surprised to see Alkie scraped through! I
    should have recorded the match so I could watch it in full later but I didn't. :(

    I saw most of it. Walked away for about 20 minutes after Alcaraz lost the fourth set, feeling like I'd seen a similar script all too often. When I checked back and saw Alkie was up a break in the fifth, I resumed watching. Fantastic how he held his
    nerve, knowing Djokovic would pounce on the slightest lapse.

    I can't believe I fell asleep but I haven't been sleeping well lately and I was exhausted. How stupid was I not to record that match? I thought Pipe Cleaner would probably win in four though.

    If anybody finds the full match online, please post it here as I want to watch it.


    A real feel-good ending except for Novak and his equally despicable team, but no decent person cares about them anyway. ;)

    😂😁

    Goran, his sycophant coach may have to look for a new job!! He may have to haul Vajda out of the dust again for round 3!

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  • From Tuan@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 22:46:58 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:15:30 PM UTC+10, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:08:03 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:10:51 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:12:33 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    Ha, ha! Hi, Gracchie! You're still on the Djokovic hate train, huh? ;) Have you at least accepted him as the best player out of the Big Three despite his often dickhead actions on a tennis court and off?

    He has proven himself as the greatest achiever in men's tennis: all-time slam leader with most balanced results on all surfaces and no glaring deficits. Any tennis fan has to respect that, but it doesn't make him any less vile as a human IMO.
    😂😂
    You're right though. With all of the records he's accumulated, and he has most of the vital ones, he's still so reviled except for his pocket of fanatics. Oh well, a good example of you can't always have it all.
    I actually didn't see about 80% of the final. I started watching it, saw the first set and a bit of the second and then fell asleep! When I woke up, I figured Djokovic probably won in four but was pleasantly surprised to see Alkie scraped through!
    I should have recorded the match so I could watch it in full later but I didn't. :(

    I saw most of it. Walked away for about 20 minutes after Alcaraz lost the fourth set, feeling like I'd seen a similar script all too often. When I checked back and saw Alkie was up a break in the fifth, I resumed watching. Fantastic how he held his
    nerve, knowing Djokovic would pounce on the slightest lapse.
    I can't believe I fell asleep but I haven't been sleeping well lately and I was exhausted. How stupid was I not to record that match? I thought Pipe Cleaner would probably win in four though.

    If anybody finds the full match online, please post it here as I want to watch it.
    A real feel-good ending except for Novak and his equally despicable team, but no decent person cares about them anyway. ;)
    😂😁

    Goran, his sycophant coach may have to look for a new job!! He may have to haul Vajda out of the dust again for round 3!

    What makes Alcaraz stand apart from the others is how quickly he adjusts. He starts out as a clay and hard court player, but after only 8 tournament matches on grass he has won two successive grass tournament including a slam. Even at the beginning of
    this Wimbledon you can see him struggling a bit with movement, but by the final he was moving like Federer used to. In fact Djokovic was slipping and falling far more times than Alcaraz! Just to compare, it took Rafa 6 years to reach his first slam final
    on hard court and Joker 8 year to reach his first clay final at RG.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Tuan on Mon Jul 17 08:34:42 2023
    Tuan <phamquangtuan48@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
    Just to compare, it took Rafa 6 years to reach his first slam final on hard court and Joker 8 year to reach his first clay final at RG.



    You don't have to post rubbish to make your point about her great Alcaraz is?

    He is great, but come on, really, it took Djokovic 8 years to reach his first clay final at RG?

    Why did it take so long? Yes, it would take that when you meet Nadal in the QF at 19, Nadal in the SF at 20 and 21 for example or come into SF against Federer with that massive streak on your back?

    You don't think that had an effect?



    Secondly if you observe Wimbledon only, fine, Alcaraz did great, in terms of imposing himself on a rather new surface, but what about other slams? Alcaraz still hasn't reached RG final, let alone won it, and you supposedly count that to his "strong
    surface" comparing him to Nadal which is absurd.

    While it may took Nadal a bit longer to master HC, but he was FO legend already by that time, in comparison, Alcaraz is what at FO right now?

    Get it?

    Ruud or Thiem have bigger FO credentials as of now at least, so you might want to reconsider your underlying message "Alcaraz stepped into conquering new surface".

    It's kinda all upside down, he's won USO and Wimbledon as his first two slams, so he's a bit like Sampras in career trajectory.



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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to skriptis@post.t-com.hr on Mon Jul 17 08:39:39 2023
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r
    Tuan <phamquangtuan48@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> Just to compare, it took Rafa 6 years to reach his first slam final on hard court and Joker 8 year to reach his first clay final at RG.You don't have to post rubbish to make your point about her great
    Alcaraz is?He is great, but come on, really, it took Djokovic 8 years to reach his first clay final at RG?Why did it take so long? Yes, it would take that when you meet Nadal in the QF at 19, Nadal in the SF at 20 and 21 for example or come into SF
    against Federer with that massive streak on your back?You don't think that had an effect?Secondly if you observe Wimbledon only, fine, Alcaraz did great, in terms of imposing himself on a rather new surface, but what about other slams? Alcaraz still hasn'
    t reached RG final, let alone won it, and you supposedly count that to his "strong surface" comparing him to Nadal which is absurd.While it may took Nadal a bit longer to master HC, but he was FO legend already by that time, in comparison, Alcaraz is
    what at FO right now? Get it?Ruud or Thiem have bigger FO credentials as of now at least, so you might want to reconsider your underlying message "Alcaraz stepped into conquering new surface".It's kinda all upside down, he's won USO and Wimbledon as his
    first two slams, so he's a bit like Sampras in career trajectory.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html



    And Hewitt.


    Sampras:
    1990 USO, 1993 Wimbledon

    Hewitt:
    2001 USO, 2002 Wimbledon

    Alcaraz:
    2022 USO, 2023 Wimbledon


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  • From Tuan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 02:58:48 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:39:39 PM UTC+10, *skriptis wrote:
    *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r
    Tuan <phamqua...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> Just to compare, it took Rafa 6 years to reach his first slam final on hard court and Joker 8 year to reach his first clay final at RG.You don't have to post rubbish to make your point about her great
    Alcaraz is?He is great, but come on, really, it took Djokovic 8 years to reach his first clay final at RG?Why did it take so long? Yes, it would take that when you meet Nadal in the QF at 19, Nadal in the SF at 20 and 21 for example or come into SF
    against Federer with that massive streak on your back?You don't think that had an effect?Secondly if you observe Wimbledon only, fine, Alcaraz did great, in terms of imposing himself on a rather new surface, but what about other slams? Alcaraz still hasn'
    t reached RG final, let alone won it, and you supposedly count that to his "strong surface" comparing him to Nadal which is absurd.While it may took Nadal a bit longer to master HC, but he was FO legend already by that time, in comparison, Alcaraz is
    what at FO right now? Get it?Ruud or Thiem have bigger FO credentials as of now at least, so you might want to reconsider your underlying message "Alcaraz stepped into conquering new surface".It's kinda all upside down, he's won USO and Wimbledon as his
    first two slams, so he's a bit like Sampras in career trajectory.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html



    And Hewitt.


    Sampras:
    1990 USO, 1993 Wimbledon

    Hewitt:
    2001 USO, 2002 Wimbledon

    Alcaraz:
    2022 USO, 2023 Wimbledon
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    How long did Sampras and Hewitt take to reach a clay slam final? :)

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 14:11:29 2023
    Gracchus kirjoitti 17.7.2023 klo 4.08:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:10:51 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:12:33 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    Ha, ha! Hi, Gracchie! You're still on the Djokovic hate train, huh? ;) Have you at least accepted him as the best player out of the Big Three despite his often dickhead actions on a tennis court and off?

    He has proven himself as the greatest achiever in men's tennis: all-time slam leader with most balanced results on all surfaces and no glaring deficits. Any tennis fan has to respect that, but it doesn't make him any less vile as a human IMO.

    I actually didn't see about 80% of the final. I started watching it, saw the first set and a bit of the second and then fell asleep! When I woke up, I figured Djokovic probably won in four but was pleasantly surprised to see Alkie scraped through! I
    should have recorded the match so I could watch it in full later but I didn't. :(

    I saw most of it. Walked away for about 20 minutes after Alcaraz lost the fourth set, feeling like I'd seen a similar script all too often. When I checked back and saw Alkie was up a break in the fifth, I resumed watching. Fantastic how he held his
    nerve, knowing Djokovic would pounce on the slightest lapse. A real feel-good ending except for Novak and his equally despicable team, but no decent person cares about them anyway. ;)

    It was sort of a joy to watch the agony on Novak's mother's face. She
    really couldn't hide her emotions during the match. Seems that at least
    she (and Ivanisevic) were quite afraid of the Spaniard.

    I couldn't help but think that perhaps Alcaraz being so Nadal-like in
    many respects played in Djokovic's and his team's heads.
    And of course you don't wanna start losing to up'n'coming challenger at
    this point of your career, want to drag it to as long to the future as possible, keep the fear in his young rival.

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  • From RaspingDrive@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Mon Jul 17 06:14:25 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:08:03 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

    I saw most of it. Walked away for about 20 minutes after Alcaraz lost the fourth set, feeling like I'd seen a similar script all too often. When I checked back and saw Alkie was up a break in the fifth, I resumed watching. Fantastic how he held his
    nerve, knowing Djokovic would pounce on the slightest lapse. A real feel-good ending except for Novak and his equally despicable team, but no decent person cares about them anyway. ;)

    Does it mean that Djokovic is residing in your head also (as was probably the case with Federer)? I watched the whole match. Every bit. Very exciting and the conclusion is highly satisfying :)

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  • From RaspingDrive@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 06:22:20 2023
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:15:30 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

    I can't believe I fell asleep but I haven't been sleeping well lately and I was exhausted. How stupid was I not to record that match? I thought Pipe Cleaner would probably win in four though.

    You thought Djoker will clinch this one as well and wanted to catch some sleep instead :) I was telling everyone around me that Alcaraz was going to win. Even after he lost the first set, I was quite optimistic. And Djokovic demise seemed imminent in the
    first game of the second set itself when he produced a second serve that landed somewhere in the 'limbo'. I was a little tentative in the fifth set though, when I felt that Djokovic's experience and Alcaraz's youthful exuberance would work in Djoker's
    favor. Thankfully, it all ended well. It is that time period when Djokovic won't get easy slams. He will have to work his ass off and still the result may be mortifying for him. He understands that well with is 'Even Stevens' quip.

    Goran, his sycophant coach may have to look for a new job!! He may have to haul Vajda out of the dust again for round 3!

    Haha. Very Court_1 comment :)

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to RaspingDrive on Tue Jul 18 00:13:43 2023
    On 17/07/2023 11:22 pm, RaspingDrive wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:15:30 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

    I can't believe I fell asleep but I haven't been sleeping well lately and I was exhausted. How stupid was I not to record that match? I thought Pipe Cleaner would probably win in four though.

    You thought Djoker will clinch this one as well and wanted to catch some sleep instead :) I was telling everyone around me that Alcaraz was going to win. Even after he lost the first set, I was quite optimistic. And Djokovic demise seemed imminent in
    the first game of the second set itself when he produced a second serve that landed somewhere in the 'limbo'. I was a little tentative in the fifth set though, when I felt that Djokovic's experience and Alcaraz's youthful exuberance would work in Djoker'
    s favor. Thankfully, it all ended well. It is that time period when Djokovic won't get easy slams. He will have to work his ass off and still the result may be mortifying for him. He understands that well with is 'Even Stevens' quip.



    Yeah Novak is on the ball and knows exactly what's going on. He studied
    every match Carlos played even at Queens, discussed in depth his narrow
    1st rd win at Queens. Novak can end up being the best tennis
    commentator, super intelligent guy and explains it well. I had a
    feeling Carlos would win too, but also know you can never count Novak
    out. He's proven everyone wrong so many times.

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to RaspingDrive on Mon Jul 17 07:18:19 2023
    On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 14:22:22 UTC+1, RaspingDrive wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:15:30 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

    I can't believe I fell asleep but I haven't been sleeping well lately and I was exhausted. How stupid was I not to record that match? I thought Pipe Cleaner would probably win in four though.
    You thought Djoker will clinch this one as well and wanted to catch some sleep instead :) I was telling everyone around me that Alcaraz was going to win. Even after he lost the first set, I was quite optimistic. And Djokovic demise seemed imminent in
    the first game of the second set itself when he produced a second serve that landed somewhere in the 'limbo'. I was a little tentative in the fifth set though, when I felt that Djokovic's experience and Alcaraz's youthful exuberance would work in Djoker'
    s favor. Thankfully, it all ended well. It is that time period when Djokovic won't get easy slams. He will have to work his ass off and still the result may be mortifying for him. He understands that well with is 'Even Stevens' quip.
    Goran, his sycophant coach may have to look for a new job!! He may have to haul Vajda out of the dust again for round 3!
    Haha. Very Court_1 comment :)

    Really a mystery why Goran wouldn't be a fan of Djoker, he been coaching him a long time and wants to back his player. It like complaining that Uncle Toni said he was backing Nadal instead of Auger-Aliassime when he was coaching Felix.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Tuan on Mon Jul 17 07:54:48 2023
    On 7/16/23 10:46 PM, Tuan wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:15:30 PM UTC+10, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:08:03 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:10:51 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:12:33 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:
    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).
    Ha, ha! Hi, Gracchie! You're still on the Djokovic hate train, huh? ;) Have you at least accepted him as the best player out of the Big Three despite his often dickhead actions on a tennis court and off?
    He has proven himself as the greatest achiever in men's tennis: all-time slam leader with most balanced results on all surfaces and no glaring deficits. Any tennis fan has to respect that, but it doesn't make him any less vile as a human IMO.
    😂😂
    You're right though. With all of the records he's accumulated, and he has most of the vital ones, he's still so reviled except for his pocket of fanatics. Oh well, a good example of you can't always have it all.
    I actually didn't see about 80% of the final. I started watching it, saw the first set and a bit of the second and then fell asleep! When I woke up, I figured Djokovic probably won in four but was pleasantly surprised to see Alkie scraped through! I
    should have recorded the match so I could watch it in full later but I didn't. :(
    I saw most of it. Walked away for about 20 minutes after Alcaraz lost the fourth set, feeling like I'd seen a similar script all too often. When I checked back and saw Alkie was up a break in the fifth, I resumed watching. Fantastic how he held his
    nerve, knowing Djokovic would pounce on the slightest lapse.
    I can't believe I fell asleep but I haven't been sleeping well lately and I was exhausted. How stupid was I not to record that match? I thought Pipe Cleaner would probably win in four though.

    If anybody finds the full match online, please post it here as I want to watch it.
    A real feel-good ending except for Novak and his equally despicable team, but no decent person cares about them anyway. ;)
    😂😁

    Goran, his sycophant coach may have to look for a new job!! He may have to haul Vajda out of the dust again for round 3!
    What makes Alcaraz stand apart from the others is how quickly he adjusts. He starts out as a clay and hard court player, but after only 8 tournament matches on grass he has won two successive grass tournament including a slam. Even at the beginning of
    this Wimbledon you can see him struggling a bit with movement, but by the final he was moving like Federer used to. In fact Djokovic was slipping and falling far more times than Alcaraz! Just to compare, it took Rafa 6 years to reach his first slam final
    on hard court and Joker 8 year to reach his first clay final at RG.

    I would say that his fluid adaptability to all surfaces is due to
    *extreme* athleticism.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 07:53:07 2023
    On 7/17/23 4:11 AM, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 17.7.2023 klo 4.08:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:10:51 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:12:33 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players
    gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That
    of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just
    kidding!).

    Ha, ha! Hi, Gracchie! You're still on the Djokovic hate train, huh?
    ;) Have you at least accepted him as the best player out of the Big
    Three despite his often dickhead actions on a tennis court and off?

    He has proven himself as the greatest achiever in men's tennis:
    all-time slam leader with most balanced results on all surfaces and
    no glaring deficits. Any tennis fan has to respect that, but it
    doesn't make him any less vile as a human IMO.

    I actually didn't see about 80% of the final. I started watching it,
    saw the first set and a bit of the second and then fell asleep! When
    I woke up, I figured Djokovic probably won in four but was
    pleasantly surprised to see Alkie scraped through! I should have
    recorded the match so I could watch it in full later but I didn't. :(

    I saw most of it. Walked away for about 20 minutes after Alcaraz lost
    the fourth set, feeling like I'd seen a similar script all too often.
    When I checked back and saw Alkie was up a break in the fifth, I
    resumed watching. Fantastic how he held his nerve, knowing Djokovic
    would pounce on the slightest lapse. A real feel-good ending except
    for Novak and his equally despicable team, but no decent person cares
    about them anyway. ;)

    It was sort of a joy to watch the agony on Novak's mother's face. She
    really couldn't hide her emotions during the match. Seems that at
    least she (and Ivanisevic) were quite afraid of the Spaniard.

    I couldn't help but think that perhaps Alcaraz being so Nadal-like in
    many respects played in Djokovic's and his team's heads.
    And of course you don't wanna start losing to up'n'coming challenger
    at this point of your career, want to drag it to as long to the future
    as possible, keep the fear in his young rival.

    That's gone now.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to RaspingDrive on Mon Jul 17 07:55:37 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 6:14:28 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:08:03 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

    I saw most of it. Walked away for about 20 minutes after Alcaraz lost the fourth set, feeling like I'd seen a similar script all too often. When I checked back and saw Alkie was up a break in the fifth, I resumed watching. Fantastic how he held his
    nerve, knowing Djokovic would pounce on the slightest lapse. A real feel-good ending except for Novak and his equally despicable team, but no decent person cares about them anyway. ;)

    Does it mean that Djokovic is residing in your head also (as was probably the case with Federer)?

    Maybe for the length of a Djokovic match on the rare occasions I watch them. That has become such a tiresome cliche among sports commenters, along with "living rent free," "in his kitchen," and perhaps worst of all, "Hel-lo!" when a player belts a return
    winner or passing shot.

    I watched the whole match. Every bit. Very exciting and the conclusion is highly satisfying :)

    Yeah, it turned out to be a real "popcorn match" with a Star Wars finale feel. :) I sure wouldn't have bet it would end that way after the dismal first set from Alcaraz.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Mon Jul 17 08:04:02 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:18:21 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 14:22:22 UTC+1, RaspingDrive wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:15:30 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

    I can't believe I fell asleep but I haven't been sleeping well lately and I was exhausted. How stupid was I not to record that match? I thought Pipe Cleaner would probably win in four though.
    You thought Djoker will clinch this one as well and wanted to catch some sleep instead :) I was telling everyone around me that Alcaraz was going to win. Even after he lost the first set, I was quite optimistic. And Djokovic demise seemed imminent in
    the first game of the second set itself when he produced a second serve that landed somewhere in the 'limbo'. I was a little tentative in the fifth set though, when I felt that Djokovic's experience and Alcaraz's youthful exuberance would work in Djoker'
    s favor. Thankfully, it all ended well. It is that time period when Djokovic won't get easy slams. He will have to work his ass off and still the result may be mortifying for him. He understands that well with is 'Even Stevens' quip.

    Goran, his sycophant coach may have to look for a new job!! He may have to haul Vajda out of the dust again for round 3!

    Haha. Very Court_1 comment :)

    Really a mystery why Goran wouldn't be a fan of Djoker, he been coaching him a long time and wants to back his player. It like complaining that Uncle Toni said he was backing Nadal instead of Auger-Aliassime when he was coaching Felix.

    Not a great parallel. Toni had taken on the job as Felix's coach knowing he'd clash with Rafael in a big match eventually. Even though everyone knows Toni would secretly back his nephew, it was still unprofessional to say it publicly. Gotta be
    demoralizing when your coach tells you in essence: "Here are some tactics for the match, Felix. I want you to go out there and use them, but not well enough to beat your opponent."

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  • From Tuan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 08:09:42 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:39:39 PM UTC+10, *skriptis wrote:
    *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r
    Tuan <phamqua...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> Just to compare, it took Rafa 6 years to reach his first slam final on hard court and Joker 8 year to reach his first clay final at RG.You don't have to post rubbish to make your point about her great
    Alcaraz is?He is great, but come on, really, it took Djokovic 8 years to reach his first clay final at RG?Why did it take so long? Yes, it would take that when you meet Nadal in the QF at 19, Nadal in the SF at 20 and 21 for example or come into SF
    against Federer with that massive streak on your back?You don't think that had an effect?Secondly if you observe Wimbledon only, fine, Alcaraz did great, in terms of imposing himself on a rather new surface, but what about other slams? Alcaraz still hasn'
    t reached RG final, let alone won it, and you supposedly count that to his "strong surface" comparing him to Nadal which is absurd.While it may took Nadal a bit longer to master HC, but he was FO legend already by that time, in comparison, Alcaraz is
    what at FO right now? Get it?Ruud or Thiem have bigger FO credentials as of now at least, so you might want to reconsider your underlying message "Alcaraz stepped into conquering new surface".It's kinda all upside down, he's won USO and Wimbledon as his
    first two slams, so he's a bit like Sampras in career trajectory.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html



    And Hewitt.


    Sampras:
    1990 USO, 1993 Wimbledon

    Hewitt:
    2001 USO, 2002 Wimbledon

    Alcaraz:
    2022 USO, 2023 Wimbledon
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    In just over 2 years of playing professionally, Alcaraz has gathered 7 clay titles. How many did Sampras and Hewitt have at that stage?

    Anyway if you are not convinced, this is from the Joker himself: "“I thought I’d only have trouble with you [Alcaraz] on clay and hard court, not grass. But it’s a different story from this year. Congrats, an amazing way to adapt to the surface."

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Jul 17 08:17:03 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 5:13:52 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
    Yeah Novak is on the ball and knows exactly what's going on. He studied every match Carlos played even at Queens, discussed in depth his narrow
    1st rd win at Queens. Novak can end up being the best tennis
    commentator, super intelligent guy and explains it well. I had a
    feeling Carlos would win too, but also know you can never count Novak
    out. He's proven everyone wrong so many times.

    Maybe I would have liked to have Djoker winning Wimb 2023 just for a history and USO 2023 stakes.....

    But :
    a) then again I spotted Alcaraz first, did I? ("new Nadal in the making" thread -some years ago when Alkie was 15y?)
    b) fuck, Djoker played a good match, but after 1st set, Alcaraz was just better.

    .mikko

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Tuan on Mon Jul 17 20:09:51 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:47:00 AM UTC-4, Tuan wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:15:30 PM UTC+10, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:08:03 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:10:51 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:12:33 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    Ha, ha! Hi, Gracchie! You're still on the Djokovic hate train, huh? ;) Have you at least accepted him as the best player out of the Big Three despite his often dickhead actions on a tennis court and off?

    He has proven himself as the greatest achiever in men's tennis: all-time slam leader with most balanced results on all surfaces and no glaring deficits. Any tennis fan has to respect that, but it doesn't make him any less vile as a human IMO.
    😂😂
    You're right though. With all of the records he's accumulated, and he has most of the vital ones, he's still so reviled except for his pocket of fanatics. Oh well, a good example of you can't always have it all.
    I actually didn't see about 80% of the final. I started watching it, saw the first set and a bit of the second and then fell asleep! When I woke up, I figured Djokovic probably won in four but was pleasantly surprised to see Alkie scraped through!
    I should have recorded the match so I could watch it in full later but I didn't. :(

    I saw most of it. Walked away for about 20 minutes after Alcaraz lost the fourth set, feeling like I'd seen a similar script all too often. When I checked back and saw Alkie was up a break in the fifth, I resumed watching. Fantastic how he held his
    nerve, knowing Djokovic would pounce on the slightest lapse.
    I can't believe I fell asleep but I haven't been sleeping well lately and I was exhausted. How stupid was I not to record that match? I thought Pipe Cleaner would probably win in four though.

    If anybody finds the full match online, please post it here as I want to watch it.
    A real feel-good ending except for Novak and his equally despicable team, but no decent person cares about them anyway. ;)
    😂😁

    Goran, his sycophant coach may have to look for a new job!! He may have to haul Vajda out of the dust again for round 3!

    What makes Alcaraz stand apart from the others is how quickly he adjusts. He starts out as a clay and hard court player, but after only 8 tournament matches on grass he has won two successive grass tournament including a slam. Even at the beginning of
    this Wimbledon you can see him struggling a bit with movement, but by the final he was moving like Federer used to. In fact Djokovic was slipping and falling far more times than Alcaraz! Just to compare, it took Rafa 6 years to reach his first slam final
    on hard court and Joker 8 year to reach his first clay final at RG.

    Yes, it's an amazingly quick adjustment by Alcaraz.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 18 21:06:07 2023
    On 17/07/2023 1:15 pm, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:08:03 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:10:51 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:12:33 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    Five possibilities for tomorrow's final:

    I suppose there's even a #6 possibility, where one of the players gets sick or injured and can't play any or all of the match. That of course, would be a terrible downer--unless it's Djokovic (just kidding!).

    Ha, ha! Hi, Gracchie! You're still on the Djokovic hate train, huh? ;) Have you at least accepted him as the best player out of the Big Three despite his often dickhead actions on a tennis court and off?

    He has proven himself as the greatest achiever in men's tennis: all-time slam leader with most balanced results on all surfaces and no glaring deficits. Any tennis fan has to respect that, but it doesn't make him any less vile as a human IMO.

    😂😂
    You're right though. With all of the records he's accumulated, and he has most of the vital ones, he's still so reviled except for his pocket of fanatics. Oh well, a good example of you can't always have it all.

    I actually didn't see about 80% of the final. I started watching it, saw the first set and a bit of the second and then fell asleep! When I woke up, I figured Djokovic probably won in four but was pleasantly surprised to see Alkie scraped through! I
    should have recorded the match so I could watch it in full later but I didn't. :(

    I saw most of it. Walked away for about 20 minutes after Alcaraz lost the fourth set, feeling like I'd seen a similar script all too often. When I checked back and saw Alkie was up a break in the fifth, I resumed watching. Fantastic how he held his
    nerve, knowing Djokovic would pounce on the slightest lapse.

    I can't believe I fell asleep but I haven't been sleeping well lately and I was exhausted. How stupid was I not to record that match? I thought Pipe Cleaner would probably win in four though.

    If anybody finds the full match online, please post it here as I want to watch it.



    It's on usenet, and youtube had links to the full match in a couple
    parts last time I looked but may have taken it off?

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