Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy. A good write-up, a
departure from official line:

https://timo-vihavainen.blogspot.com/2023/07/roskajournalismi-ja-politiikka.html

I must agree, Finnish media is nowadays biased agenda-journalism...
which lately has been focused on toppling the democratically elected government. It didn't use to be this way. It was news and information,
not all left/woke propaganda article after article.

I remember the time when Helsingin Sanomat editorial was massive one
page deep dive which took 15-20 minutes to read with thought. Now it's
like 1 minute while you learn nothing but writer's politicized opinions.
Just sad.

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TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy. A good write-up, a departure from official line:https://timo-vihavainen.blogspot.com/2023/07/roskajournalismi-ja-politiikka.htmlI must agree, Finnish media is nowadays biased agenda-journalism... which

lately has been focused on toppling the democratically elected government. It didn't use to be this way. It was news and information, not all left/woke propaganda article after article.I remember the time when Helsingin Sanomat editorial was massive one
page deep dive which took 15-20 minutes to read with thought. Now it's like 1 minute while you learn nothing but writer's politicized opinions. Just sad.



So spit it out...is it perhaps...


Fake news?



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*skriptis kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 3.18:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy. A good write-up, a departure from official line:https://timo-vihavainen.blogspot.com/2023/07/roskajournalismi-ja-politiikka.htmlI must agree, Finnish media is nowadays biased agenda-journalism... which

lately has been focused on toppling the democratically elected government. It didn't use to be this way. It was news and information, not all left/woke propaganda article after article.I remember the time when Helsingin Sanomat editorial was massive one
page deep dive which took 15-20 minutes to read with thought. Now it's like 1 minute while you learn nothing but writer's politicized opinions. Just sad.

So spit it out...is it perhaps...

Fake news?

Yes. Some of that too. And just piss poor & biased journalism.

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On 7/15/23 5:18 PM, *skriptis wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy. A good write-up, a departure from official line:https://timo-vihavainen.blogspot.com/2023/07/roskajournalismi-ja-politiikka.htmlI must agree, Finnish media is nowadays biased agenda-journalism... which

lately has been focused on toppling the democratically elected government. It didn't use to be this way. It was news and information, not all left/woke propaganda article after article.I remember the time when Helsingin Sanomat editorial was massive one
page deep dive which took 15-20 minutes to read with thought. Now it's like 1 minute while you learn nothing but writer's politicized opinions. Just sad.

So spit it out...is it perhaps...

Fake news?

I'm fascinated with the idea of "fake news". With respect, I've going to
ask some possibly provocative questions.

First, to me, "fake news" is either: a) a story that is mostly or
completely fabrication but reported without editorial comment; or b) a
story like "a" but including editorial comment or c) a factual story,
but with editorial comment.

These are increasingly common and fake news is employed by all sides of
the political spectrum at this point, so that I NEVER immediately
believe any story,  however reported, or by whom, that runs contrary to
either my experience or to my flavor of common sense. And in a pinch,
I'll accept the fact that I don't have sufficient information to run
against personal experience or common sense, so I make no pronouncements
in these areas.

So we can compare, e.g., 1) the loss of the Titan submersible, 2) the
oddly timed declaration of "Bidenomics", 3) the current state of the war
in Ukraine, 4) the discovery of cocaine in the white house, or the 5)
main reasons for the expanding number of homeless on the US west coast.

And I'd evaluate the present general tenor of the stories as:

1 - objective reporting of a likely actual event;

2 - invented PR; some of it is FN  "b"

3 - largely objectively unknowable (fog of war), but editorialized so FN "b"

4 -  an objectively reported story of likely factual event

5 - objectively reported events that are heavily editorialized FN "c"

Then the triage is how important to your immediate personal security,
immediate or intermediate financial well being. You must subjectively
decide these; no one can help you, and it's likely to be different for
for the various individuals.

So I'd say I can safely shitcan 1 in its entirety; I need to follow 2 to
see if/how it affects my financial positions; I need to merely keep an
eye on 3 to see if the war engulfs other outside polities; just laugh 4
at the superficial attempt to bury the story, but try to assess how many
people in the US it has successfully fooled; and carefully note various editorial claims and objective stories, compare closely with what I can
observe daily, and see what ways I can come up with to evade or minimize
the effects of the large numbers of homeless and the rise in property crime.

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On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an essential
part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is undemocratic in itself.

So spit it out...is it perhaps...

Fake news?

No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has had
to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at
loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's as real as it gets.

It's clear that without the (token) bending of the knee she would now be without her job. The fakeness "argument" is just the standard rock-paper-scissors excuse of those that wish to turn this into
something it isn't.

This is emblematic of what Tiny of Finland once recognised as the
essence of the PerSu party. It is a mono-agenda party with bottom of the
barrel talent. The two of course go hand in hand. A piece of cork that
rises to the PerSu surface wouldn't rise to the surface elsewhere. We're
seeing the Darwinian results of that in both cases we have now had.

--
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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>> Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy. A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is

undemocratic in itself.> > So spit it out...is it perhaps...> > > Fake news?No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has had to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's
as real as it gets.It's clear that without the (token) bending of the knee she would now be without her job. The fakeness "argument" is just the standard rock-paper-scissors excuse of those that wish to turn this into something it isn't.This is
emblematic of what Tiny of Finland once recognised as the essence of the PerSu party. It is a mono-agenda party with bottom of the barrel talent. The two of course go hand in hand. A piece of cork that rises to the PerSu surface wouldn't rise to the
surface elsewhere. We're seeing the Darwinian results of that in both cases we have now had.-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional



How come you moved from Blackpool to Finland?

To what purpose?


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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an essential
part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is undemocratic in
itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a molehill
with apparent agenda.

So spit it out...is it perhaps...


Fake news?

No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has had
to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at
loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's as real as it gets.

There was some outright fake out of context reporting, the initial
source being a possible Russian troll on Twitter.

There was also an article(s) which made highly politicized false statements.

There was also reporting on a citizen's address, which didn't require
valid identification process, and some of the signatories appeared to be
a Russian bot. There's no way such address would gather 100k signatories
in couple days. So there's actually some concern that this "fire Purra" campaign could have been be started - or at least helped - by the
Russian intelligence operatives.

It's clear that without the (token) bending of the knee she would now be without her job. The fakeness "argument" is just the standard rock-paper-scissors excuse of those that wish to turn this into
something it isn't.

I think that if she hadn't commented on the original tweet, there would
be no "scandal".

This is emblematic of what Tiny of Finland once recognised as the
essence of the PerSu party.

You don't have to call me names, now do you?

It is a mono-agenda party with bottom of the
barrel talent. The two of course go hand in hand. A piece of cork that
rises to the PerSu surface wouldn't rise to the surface elsewhere. We're seeing the Darwinian results of that in both cases we have now had.

No, Persut do have talent. The education level is high.
There are a couple questionable characters yes.

https://www.tieteessatapahtuu.fi/kategoriat/uutinen/eduskuntaan-valittiin-14-tutkijakoulutuksen-saanutta-eniten-tohtoreita

Aside from doctorates, for example the dreaded Wille Rydman, new
minister of economic affairs got his masters degree from university in
two years. That's exceptional.
...A very smart man, from what I can tell from his interviews. Was
apparently falsely accused, too.

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TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

I remember the time when Helsingin Sanomat editorial was massive one
page deep dive which took 15-20 minutes to read with thought. Now it's
like 1 minute while you learn nothing but writer's politicized opinions.
Just sad.

There is an old Finnish saying: Helsingin Sanomat is Finland's
Pravda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda

Sanoma-konserni, i.e. the cursed company that owns Helsingin
Sanomat, Iltasanomat and vauva.fi (the biggest online
discussion forum in Finland), seriously restricts Free Speech
in Finland

On vauva.fi, probably the most popular discussion area is
called "Aihe Vapaa" in Finnish. It means "Here the topis is
free", meaning that you should be allowed to start your
own discussion threads about any topics you want.

In reality, vauva.fi is heavily moderated in a real Soviet
Union, DDR and North Korean fashion. "Unwanted opinions" are
quickly swept away by the ruthless moderators. No
explanations are given, the unwanted opinions just vanish
quickly.

Only the opinions that Sanoma-konserni supports, or somehow
benefits from, are allowed.

Things are going towards worse and worse. Aamulehti, a
very big newspaper in Finland, was recently bought by
Sanoma-konserni. Now Sanoma-konserni controls that
media, too.

Not long ago, we used to a have a newspaper called
Metro in Helsinki, Finland. It cost nothing to the
readers and was given away for free at the entrances
to the Helsinki Subway. It got very popular, so
Sanoma-konserni bought it too in order to gain
control of one more media in Finland.

This is their webpage where they openly brag that they
are the "biggest commecial media in Finland":

https://www.sanoma.fi

Sanoma-konserni is a very despicable company that is ruled
by sickos who advocate heavy censorship. Free Speech in
Finland has absolutely no value to them, they just hate it.

Pravda is what they admire and want to emulate.

The acquisition of Aamulehti and Metro is a sign that
their agenda is to gain full control of more and more of
their competition in Finland. After having done so, they
can publish their own propanda everywhere.

br,
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On 16.7.2023 14.19, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

I remember the time when Helsingin Sanomat editorial was massive one
page deep dive which took 15-20 minutes to read with thought. Now it's
like 1 minute while you learn nothing but writer's politicized opinions.
Just sad.

There is an old Finnish saying: Helsingin Sanomat is Finland's
Pravda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda

Sanoma-konserni, i.e. the cursed company that owns Helsingin
Sanomat, Iltasanomat and vauva.fi (the biggest online
discussion forum in Finland), seriously restricts Free Speech
in Finland

On vauva.fi, probably the most popular discussion area is
called "Aihe Vapaa" in Finnish. It means "Here the topis is
free", meaning that you should be allowed to start your
own discussion threads about any topics you want.

In reality, vauva.fi is heavily moderated in a real Soviet
Union, DDR and North Korean fashion. "Unwanted opinions" are
quickly swept away by the ruthless moderators. No
explanations are given, the unwanted opinions just vanish
quickly.

Only the opinions that Sanoma-konserni supports, or somehow
benefits from, are allowed.

Things are going towards worse and worse. Aamulehti, a
very big newspaper in Finland, was recently bought by
Sanoma-konserni. Now Sanoma-konserni controls that
media, too.

Not long ago, we used to a have a newspaper called
Metro in Helsinki, Finland. It cost nothing to the
readers and was given away for free at the entrances
to the Helsinki Subway. It got very popular, so
Sanoma-konserni bought it too in order to gain
control of one more media in Finland.

This is their webpage where they openly brag that they
are the "biggest commecial media in Finland":

https://www.sanoma.fi

Sanoma-konserni is a very despicable company that is ruled
by sickos who advocate heavy censorship. Free Speech in
Finland has absolutely no value to them, they just hate it.

Pravda is what they admire and want to emulate.

The acquisition of Aamulehti and Metro is a sign that
their agenda is to gain full control of more and more of
their competition in Finland. After having done so, they
can publish their own propanda everywhere.

I guess this is what you call "kolttonen".

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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 14.19:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

I remember the time when Helsingin Sanomat editorial was massive one
page deep dive which took 15-20 minutes to read with thought. Now it's
like 1 minute while you learn nothing but writer's politicized opinions.
Just sad.

There is an old Finnish saying: Helsingin Sanomat is Finland's
Pravda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda

Sanoma-konserni, i.e. the cursed company that owns Helsingin
Sanomat, Iltasanomat and vauva.fi (the biggest online
discussion forum in Finland), seriously restricts Free Speech
in Finland

On vauva.fi, probably the most popular discussion area is
called "Aihe Vapaa" in Finnish. It means "Here the topis is
free", meaning that you should be allowed to start your
own discussion threads about any topics you want.

In reality, vauva.fi is heavily moderated in a real Soviet
Union, DDR and North Korean fashion. "Unwanted opinions" are
quickly swept away by the ruthless moderators. No
explanations are given, the unwanted opinions just vanish
quickly.

Only the opinions that Sanoma-konserni supports, or somehow
benefits from, are allowed.

Things are going towards worse and worse. Aamulehti, a
very big newspaper in Finland, was recently bought by
Sanoma-konserni. Now Sanoma-konserni controls that
media, too.

Not long ago, we used to a have a newspaper called
Metro in Helsinki, Finland. It cost nothing to the
readers and was given away for free at the entrances
to the Helsinki Subway. It got very popular, so
Sanoma-konserni bought it too in order to gain
control of one more media in Finland.

This is their webpage where they openly brag that they
are the "biggest commecial media in Finland":

https://www.sanoma.fi

Sanoma-konserni is a very despicable company that is ruled
by sickos who advocate heavy censorship. Free Speech in
Finland has absolutely no value to them, they just hate it.

Pravda is what they admire and want to emulate.

The acquisition of Aamulehti and Metro is a sign that
their agenda is to gain full control of more and more of
their competition in Finland. After having done so, they
can publish their own propanda everywhere.

br,
KK

Word.

I used to think recently that at least Iltalehti - which I regard as
rather trash magazine - was a rather unbiased MSM source. Well, that
thought evaporated quickly with this Purra scandal reporting.

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On 16.7.2023 13.48, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an
essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is
undemocratic in itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a molehill
with apparent agenda.

Definitely not. Our government is supposed to represent us all equally, regardless of ethnicity, religion, ... We can not have any lingering
doubts about that. Any.

So spit it out...is it perhaps...


Fake news?

No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has had
to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at
loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's as real as it gets.

There was some outright fake out of context reporting, the initial
source being a possible Russian troll on Twitter.

There was also an article(s) which made highly politicized false
statements.

There was also reporting on a citizen's address, which didn't require
valid identification process, and some of the signatories appeared to be
a Russian bot. There's no way such address would gather 100k signatories
in couple days. So there's actually some concern that this "fire Purra" campaign could have been be started - or at least helped - by the
Russian intelligence operatives.

LOL. Stolen elections, Russkie operatives, ... Can't you at least be
original, FFS! You must be spending a lot of time in these PerSu boards.

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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 15.00:

On 16.7.2023 13.48, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an
essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is
undemocratic in itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a
molehill with apparent agenda.

Definitely not. Our government is supposed to represent us all equally, regardless of ethnicity, religion, ... We can not have any lingering
doubts about that. Any.

It's not your government.

So spit it out...is it perhaps...


Fake news?

No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has
had to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at
loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's as real as it gets.

There was some outright fake out of context reporting, the initial
source being a possible Russian troll on Twitter.

There was also an article(s) which made highly politicized false
statements.

There was also reporting on a citizen's address, which didn't require
valid identification process, and some of the signatories appeared to
be a Russian bot. There's no way such address would gather 100k
signatories in couple days. So there's actually some concern that this
"fire Purra" campaign could have been be started - or at least helped
- by the Russian intelligence operatives.

LOL. Stolen elections, Russkie operatives, ... Can't you at least be original, FFS! You must be spending a lot of time in these PerSu boards.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1AgKINXoAAFFKe?format=png&name=small

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On 16.7.2023 15.10, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 15.00:

On 16.7.2023 13.48, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an
essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is
undemocratic in itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a
molehill with apparent agenda.

Definitely not. Our government is supposed to represent us all
equally, regardless of ethnicity, religion, ... We can not have any
lingering doubts about that. Any.

It's not your government.

????

So spit it out...is it perhaps...


Fake news?

No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has
had to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at
loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's as real as it gets.

There was some outright fake out of context reporting, the initial
source being a possible Russian troll on Twitter.

There was also an article(s) which made highly politicized false
statements.

There was also reporting on a citizen's address, which didn't require
valid identification process, and some of the signatories appeared to
be a Russian bot. There's no way such address would gather 100k
signatories in couple days. So there's actually some concern that
this "fire Purra" campaign could have been be started - or at least
helped - by the Russian intelligence operatives.

LOL. Stolen elections, Russkie operatives, ... Can't you at least be
original, FFS! You must be spending a lot of time in these PerSu boards.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1AgKINXoAAFFKe?format=png&name=small

:)

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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On 16.7.2023 15.29, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 15.15:

On 16.7.2023 15.10, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 15.00:

On 16.7.2023 13.48, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an
essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is
undemocratic in itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a
molehill with apparent agenda.

Definitely not. Our government is supposed to represent us all
equally, regardless of ethnicity, religion, ... We can not have any
lingering doubts about that. Any.

It's not your government.

????

No answer. Why wouldn't it be my government?

So spit it out...is it perhaps...


Fake news?

No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has >>>>>> had to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at >>>>>> loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's as real as it gets.

There was some outright fake out of context reporting, the initial
source being a possible Russian troll on Twitter.

There was also an article(s) which made highly politicized false
statements.

There was also reporting on a citizen's address, which didn't
require valid identification process, and some of the signatories
appeared to be a Russian bot. There's no way such address would
gather 100k signatories in couple days. So there's actually some
concern that this "fire Purra" campaign could have been be started
- or at least helped - by the Russian intelligence operatives.

LOL. Stolen elections, Russkie operatives, ... Can't you at least be
original, FFS! You must be spending a lot of time in these PerSu
boards.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1AgKINXoAAFFKe?format=png&name=small

:)

What's so funny...

You and your detective work.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 15.15:

On 16.7.2023 15.10, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 15.00:

On 16.7.2023 13.48, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an
essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is
undemocratic in itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a
molehill with apparent agenda.

Definitely not. Our government is supposed to represent us all
equally, regardless of ethnicity, religion, ... We can not have any
lingering doubts about that. Any.

It's not your government.

????

So spit it out...is it perhaps...


Fake news?

No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has
had to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at
loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's as real as it gets.

There was some outright fake out of context reporting, the initial
source being a possible Russian troll on Twitter.

There was also an article(s) which made highly politicized false
statements.

There was also reporting on a citizen's address, which didn't
require valid identification process, and some of the signatories
appeared to be a Russian bot. There's no way such address would
gather 100k signatories in couple days. So there's actually some
concern that this "fire Purra" campaign could have been be started -
or at least helped - by the Russian intelligence operatives.

LOL. Stolen elections, Russkie operatives, ... Can't you at least be
original, FFS! You must be spending a lot of time in these PerSu boards. >>>

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1AgKINXoAAFFKe?format=png&name=small

:)

What's so funny...

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TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

I used to think recently that at least Iltalehti - which I regard as
rather trash magazine - was a rather unbiased MSM source. Well, that
thought evaporated quickly with this Purra scandal reporting.

Both Iltasanomat and Iltalehti are tabloids and trash
just like Hymy and Seiska magazines. But it makes sense
to persist and read what they write. The reason is that
*lots of people* read those daily, and we have to keep
an eye on what kind of trash the media is trying to push
into their minds.

Timothy Leary warned us about this. He quoted Marshall
McLuhan who said something like the following:

"Who controls the media, is programming your mind and
programming your brain"

5-6 years ago Iltalehti still had at least *some* articles
that were good. It was the only media in Finland that
wrote something positive about weed when cannabis was
legalized in California in 2017.

Today 99% of Iltalehti is trash.

br,
KK

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On 16.7.2023 15.34, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

I guess this is what you call "kolttonen".

You are mistaken, since "kolttonen" is a
small prank that schoolboys might do.

That's why I'm asking. Was the post a prank? Are you a prank?

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

That's why I'm asking. Was the post a prank?

I swear it was not.

Are you a prank?

Not at all.

Do you know what Sanoma-konserni is? In addition
to owning many printd medias and web medias, they
own a huge televion channel called Nelonen
("Four").

It is the biggest commercial TV channel in
Finland and like other Sanoma medias, it pushes out
Sanoma's propaganda in addition to some incredibly
stupid reality TV shows.

Are you located in Sweden?

I know perfectly well what happened in Sweden.
For many years, some Swedes tried to criticize
immigration related issues in Sweden. They
were either silenced or labeled as totally
crazy right-wing extremists.

But they did have some valid points. Now that
Sweden is suffering from continuous violence
on the streets, bombs go off and people get
shot, more and more people realize that
maybe the critics were not all wrong after all?

As far as I know, some Swedish politicians
have even admitted that they should have
allowed Free Speech. They have apologized for
their mistakes. They had no options since
your country is quite fucked-up indeed!

We will not let that happen in Finland.

br,
KK

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Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

I guess this is what you call "kolttonen".

You are mistaken, since "kolttonen" is a
small prank that schoolboys might do.

What Sanoma-konserni is doing is pure evil.
You could call it an enormous *scam* operation.

br,
KK

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On 16.7.2023 16.01, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

That's why I'm asking. Was the post a prank?

I swear it was not.

Are you a prank?

Not at all.

Do you know what Sanoma-konserni is? In addition
to owning many printd medias and web medias, they
own a huge televion channel called Nelonen
("Four").

It is the biggest commercial TV channel in
Finland and like other Sanoma medias, it pushes out
Sanoma's propaganda in addition to some incredibly
stupid reality TV shows.

Are you located in Sweden?

I know perfectly well what happened in Sweden.
For many years, some Swedes tried to criticize
immigration related issues in Sweden. They
were either silenced or labeled as totally
crazy right-wing extremists.

But they did have some valid points. Now that
Sweden is suffering from continuous violence
on the streets, bombs go off and people get
shot, more and more people realize that
maybe the critics were not all wrong after all?

As far as I know, some Swedish politicians
have even admitted that they should have
allowed Free Speech. They have apologized for
their mistakes. They had no options since
your country is quite fucked-up indeed!

We will not let that happen in Finland.

I think you forgot how the casting went, Tiny.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 21.19:

On 16.7.2023 16.01, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

That's why I'm asking. Was the post a prank?

I swear it was not.

Are you a prank?

Not at all.

Do you know what Sanoma-konserni is? In addition
to owning many printd medias and web medias, they
own a huge televion channel called Nelonen
("Four").

It is the biggest commercial TV channel in
Finland and like other Sanoma medias, it pushes out
Sanoma's propaganda in addition to some incredibly
stupid reality TV shows.

Are you located in Sweden?

I know perfectly well what happened in Sweden.
For many years, some Swedes tried to criticize
immigration related issues in Sweden. They
were either silenced or labeled as totally
crazy right-wing extremists.

But they did have some valid points. Now that
Sweden is suffering from continuous violence
on the streets, bombs go off and people get
shot, more and more people realize that
maybe the critics were not all wrong after all?

As far as I know, some Swedish politicians
have even admitted that they should have
allowed Free Speech. They have apologized for
their mistakes. They had no options since
your country is quite fucked-up indeed!

We will not let that happen in Finland.

I think you forgot how the casting went, Tiny.

I smell a conspiracy theory here.

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kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:

Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

That's why I'm asking. Was the post a prank?

I swear it was not.

Are you a prank?

Not at all.

Do you know what Sanoma-konserni is? In addition to owning many printd
medias and web medias, they own a huge televion channel called Nelonen ("Four").

It is the biggest commercial TV channel in Finland and like other
Sanoma medias, it pushes out Sanoma's propaganda in addition to some incredibly stupid reality TV shows.

Are you located in Sweden?

I know perfectly well what happened in Sweden. For many years, some
Swedes tried to criticize immigration related issues in Sweden. They
were either silenced or labeled as totally crazy right-wing
extremists.

But they did have some valid points. Now that Sweden is suffering from continuous violence on the streets, bombs go off and people get shot,
more and more people realize that maybe the critics were not all wrong
after all?

As far as I know, some Swedish politicians have even admitted that
they should have allowed Free Speech. They have apologized for their mistakes. They had no options since your country is quite fucked-up
indeed!

We will not let that happen in Finland.

br, KK

Max is back!

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Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

I think you forgot how the casting went, Tiny.

I have no idea of what you are trying to say.

br,
KK

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On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 08:21:26 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an essential
part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is undemocratic in itself.

So spit it out...is it perhaps...

Fake news?

No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has had
to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at
loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's as real as it gets.

It's clear that without the (token) bending of the knee she would now be without her job. The fakeness "argument" is just the standard rock-paper-scissors excuse of those that wish to turn this into
something it isn't.

no, it's just the spin some journo has put on what she wrote. She attacked back a Somali who said he wanted to kill her and now you're whinging cos of that and only cos he was Somali, if he'd been French or something you wouldn't care and neither would
the journo. It like last week when Brietbart etc. were saying Mike Pence said "it's not my concern" when asked about the decline of USA cities compared to giving money to Ukraine.

This is emblematic of what Tiny of Finland once recognised as the
essence of the PerSu party. It is a mono-agenda party with bottom of the barrel talent. The two of course go hand in hand. A piece of cork that
rises to the PerSu surface wouldn't rise to the surface elsewhere. We're seeing the Darwinian results of that in both cases we have now had.

their results as a government can't be any worse than what Sanna Marin did etc. The social disaster of unchecked, WEF ordered mass immigration etc. have done previously. Just look at the difference between Trump's USA and Biden.

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On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 14:01:58 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Pelle Svanslös <pe...@svans.los> wrote:

That's why I'm asking. Was the post a prank?

I swear it was not.

Are you a prank?

Not at all.

Do you know what Sanoma-konserni is? In addition
to owning many printd medias and web medias, they
own a huge televion channel called Nelonen
("Four").

It is the biggest commercial TV channel in
Finland and like other Sanoma medias, it pushes out
Sanoma's propaganda in addition to some incredibly
stupid reality TV shows.

Are you located in Sweden?

I know perfectly well what happened in Sweden.
For many years, some Swedes tried to criticize
immigration related issues in Sweden. They
were either silenced or labeled as totally
crazy right-wing extremists.

But they did have some valid points. Now that
Sweden is suffering from continuous violence
on the streets, bombs go off and people get
shot, more and more people realize that
maybe the critics were not all wrong after all?

As far as I know, some Swedish politicians
have even admitted that they should have
allowed Free Speech. They have apologized for
their mistakes. They had no options since
your country is quite fucked-up indeed!

We will not let that happen in Finland.

you're not allowed free speech to criticise the government or non-PC policies like mass immigration, what could possibly go wrong? oh

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On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 09:04:41 UTC+1, jdeluise wrote:

kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:

Pelle Svanslös <pe...@svans.los> wrote:

That's why I'm asking. Was the post a prank?

I swear it was not.

Are you a prank?

Not at all.

Do you know what Sanoma-konserni is? In addition to owning many printd medias and web medias, they own a huge televion channel called Nelonen ("Four").

It is the biggest commercial TV channel in Finland and like other
Sanoma medias, it pushes out Sanoma's propaganda in addition to some incredibly stupid reality TV shows.

Are you located in Sweden?

I know perfectly well what happened in Sweden. For many years, some
Swedes tried to criticize immigration related issues in Sweden. They
were either silenced or labeled as totally crazy right-wing
extremists.

But they did have some valid points. Now that Sweden is suffering from continuous violence on the streets, bombs go off and people get shot,
more and more people realize that maybe the critics were not all wrong after all?

As far as I know, some Swedish politicians have even admitted that
they should have allowed Free Speech. They have apologized for their mistakes. They had no options since your country is quite fucked-up indeed!

We will not let that happen in Finland.

br, KK

Max is back!

COOL!!

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On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 13:00:35 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 16.7.2023 13.48, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an
essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is
undemocratic in itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a molehill with apparent agenda.

Definitely not. Our government is supposed to represent us all equally, regardless of ethnicity, religion, ... We can not have any lingering
doubts about that. Any.

yes we can cos a government never equally represents everyone, ever, that's why they get voted out. Also why do you keep pretending like the entire world was wonderful when the previous party was in power, it really wasn't, you had tons of problems. That'
s why Brexit and Trump were so good, for 50 years we kept being told how the "experts" always know better about everything yet the result has been 911, the 2007 crash, insane full-scale Kalergi which has brought social nightmare and terrorism to streets
amongst tons of other disasters. These "experts" really aren't that good, they're no different to regular folks that are in this new Purra party. It's just you are scared to change the status quo at all, just admit it. Kalergi was right!

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The Iceberg kirjoitti 17.7.2023 klo 13.35:

and now you're whinging cos of that and only cos he was Somali, if he'd been French or something you wouldn't care and neither would the journo.

Good point.

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On 17.7.2023 13.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 13:00:35 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 16.7.2023 13.48, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an
essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is
undemocratic in itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a molehill
with apparent agenda.

Definitely not. Our government is supposed to represent us all equally,
regardless of ethnicity, religion, ... We can not have any lingering
doubts about that. Any.

yes we can cos

Lol.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 12:51:39 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 17.7.2023 13.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 13:00:35 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 16.7.2023 13.48, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an
essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is
undemocratic in itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a molehill >>> with apparent agenda.

Definitely not. Our government is supposed to represent us all equally, >> regardless of ethnicity, religion, ... We can not have any lingering
doubts about that. Any.

yes we can cos

Lol.

how many politicians have said they blame/hate white folks or old white straight men for absolutely everything, yet you reckon they get represented equally?! :O

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On 17.7.2023 13.35, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 08:21:26 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an essential
part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is undemocratic in itself. >>>

So spit it out...is it perhaps...


Fake news?

No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has had
to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at
loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's as real as it gets.

It's clear that without the (token) bending of the knee she would now be
without her job. The fakeness "argument" is just the standard
rock-paper-scissors excuse of those that wish to turn this into
something it isn't.

no, it's just the spin some journo has put on what she wrote.

Go read what she has written yourself. There's a bunch of it. They are
not quoted out of context or anything, all them words are hers. In any civilised country her potty mouth would already have had her fired.

The "Scripta" blog in itself is/was a congregation of dregs. Anybody who
even shows up in a place like that is implicated.

their results as a government can't be any worse than what Sanna Marin did etc. The social disaster of unchecked, WEF ordered mass immigration

Lol.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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On 17.7.2023 15.28, The Iceberg wrote:

On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 12:51:39 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 17.7.2023 13.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 13:00:35 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 16.7.2023 13.48, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an
essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is
undemocratic in itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a molehill >>>>> with apparent agenda.

Definitely not. Our government is supposed to represent us all equally, >>>> regardless of ethnicity, religion, ... We can not have any lingering
doubts about that. Any.

yes we can cos

Lol.

how many politicians have said they blame/hate white folks or old white straight men for absolutely everything, yet you reckon they get represented equally?! :O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0njSOZ5M3w&t=102s

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> wrote:

you're not allowed free speech to criticise the
government or non-PC policies like mass immigration,
what could possibly go wrong? oh

Here are some facts about the hellhole called Sweden:

https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-stockholm-gang-violence-eropean-union-vision/

What do the leftist extremists do? They destroy Free Speech.
Proof: Look at Sweden and Soviet Union.

What do the right-wing extremists do? They destroy Free Speech
as well. Proof: Look at Putler's Russia/Belarus.

br,
KK

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 17.7.2023 klo 15.31:

On 17.7.2023 13.35, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 08:21:26 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an essential
part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is undemocratic in
itself.

So spit it out...is it perhaps...


Fake news?

No. She, and nobody else, has said what she has said. That she has had
to apologise, is a tacit acknowledgement that her views are at
loggerheads with the views of the rest. It's as real as it gets.

It's clear that without the (token) bending of the knee she would now be >>> without her job. The fakeness "argument" is just the standard
rock-paper-scissors excuse of those that wish to turn this into
something it isn't.

no, it's just the spin some journo has put on what she wrote.

Go read what she has written yourself. There's a bunch of it. They are
not quoted out of context or anything, all them words are hers. In any civilised country her potty mouth would already have had her fired.

The "Scripta" blog in itself is/was a congregation of dregs. Anybody who
even shows up in a place like that is implicated.

their results as a government can't be any worse than what Sanna Marin
did etc. The social disaster of unchecked, WEF ordered mass immigration

Lol.

https://youtu.be/7Cvx_fOxCuI

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 17.7.2023 klo 15.45:

On 17.7.2023 15.28, The Iceberg wrote:

On Monday, 17 July 2023 at 12:51:39 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 17.7.2023 13.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 13:00:35 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 16.7.2023 13.48, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 16.7.2023 klo 10.21:

On 16.7.2023 3.18, *skriptis wrote:

TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Says that Finnish press is undermining democracy.

A politician's past will always be under scrutiny. This is an
essential part of democracy. Suggesting it should not be so is
undemocratic in itself.

Fair enough. But the press is still making a mountain out of a
molehill
with apparent agenda.

Definitely not. Our government is supposed to represent us all
equally,
regardless of ethnicity, religion, ... We can not have any lingering >>>>> doubts about that. Any.

yes we can cos

Lol.

how many politicians have said they blame/hate white folks or old
white straight men for absolutely everything, yet you reckon they get
represented equally?! :O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0njSOZ5M3w&t=102s

https://youtu.be/ATfLeyx0-Xk

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