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  • So, was today's women's Wimbledon final a choke, or not?

    From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 15 13:44:02 2023
    Recently there was some discussion, with the requisite RST disagreements
    and hard-headed "I'll die on this hilltop" intransigence we've all come
    to know and love.

    ...and we came to no conclusion.

    So did Jabeur choke, or was it something else? If so, what?

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sat Jul 15 23:06:48 2023
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Recently there was some discussion, with the requisite RST disagreements and hard-headed "I'll die on this hilltop" intransigence we've all come to know and love....and we came to no conclusion.So did Jabeur choke, or was it something else? If so, what?
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    She perhaps lost a final she "should have won". She wasn't merely a favorite, she had couple finals behind her, and finals in this tournament and was generally more experienced on the surface.


    I'd say this is Halep 2017 FO moment.




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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sat Jul 15 23:36:08 2023
    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> Recently there was some discussion, with the requisite RST disagreements and hard-headed "I'll die on this hilltop" intransigence we've all come to know and love....and we came to no conclusion.So did
    Jabeur choke, or was it something else? If so, what?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a
    dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting."--Charles Bukowski~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Before the match I checked h2h and I knew Jabeur will lose.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://
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    3 - 3 right.
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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sun Jul 16 00:28:54 2023
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Recently there was some discussion, with the requisite RST disagreements and hard-headed "I'll die on this hilltop" intransigence we've all come to know and love....and we came to no conclusion.So did Jabeur choke, or was it something else? If so, what?
    -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting."-
    -Charles Bukowski~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Before the match I checked h2h and I knew Jabeur will lose.



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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 15 20:59:38 2023
    On 7/15/2023 4:36 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> Recently there was some discussion, with the requisite RST disagreements and hard-headed "I'll die on this hilltop" intransigence we've all come to know and love....and we came to no conclusion.So did
    Jabeur choke, or was it something else? If so, what?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a
    dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting."--Charles Bukowski~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Before the match I checked h2h and I knew Jabeur will lose.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://
    piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html


    3 - 3 right.

    Yes, you are right *skriptis; I just now (1:52 am London time) confirmed
    from the WTA website that it was indeed 3-3 before the Wimbledon Final.

    BTW, at this point in time the WTA website has not updated the
    head-to-head since the Wimbledon Women's Final.
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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to nospam@home.net on Sun Jul 16 07:41:29 2023
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r
    On 7/15/2023 4:36 PM, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> Recently there was some discussion, with the requisite RST disagreements and hard-headed "I'll die on
    this hilltop" intransigence we've all come to know and love....and we came to no conclusion.So did Jabeur choke, or was it something else? If so, what?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"The difference between a
    democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting."--Charles Bukowski~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Before
    the match I checked h2h and I knew Jabeur will lose.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html> > > 3 - 3 right.Yes, you are right *skriptis; I just now (1:52 am London time) confirmed from the WTA
    website that it was indeed 3-3 before the Wimbledon Final.BTW, at this point in time the WTA website has not updated the head-to-head since the Wimbledon Women's Final.-- ---------------Scall5



    I wonder why he said he knew who would win, 3-3 revealed it would be Vondrousova?


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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sun Jul 16 02:32:29 2023
    On Saturday, 15 July 2023 at 21:44:05 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
    Recently there was some discussion, with the requisite RST disagreements
    and hard-headed "I'll die on this hilltop" intransigence we've all come
    to know and love.

    ...and we came to no conclusion.

    So did Jabeur choke, or was it something else? If so, what?

    yes she choked but also got outplayed too, wasn't used to left-handed awkward hacking play on grass by Vondrousova. Have to say until this week didn't think Jabeur had the skills to win a slam, as have always said she's missing something from her game,
    but was very surprised by her QF and SF performance, taking out Rybakina and Sabalenka very good going, she definitely improved, respect to her for that.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Jul 16 21:06:11 2023
    On 16/07/2023 7:28 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Recently there was some discussion, with the requisite RST disagreements and hard-headed "I'll die on this hilltop" intransigence we've all come to know and love....and we came to no conclusion.So did Jabeur choke, or was it something else? If so,
    what?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time
    voting."--Charles Bukowski~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Before the match I checked h2h and I knew Jabeur will lose.





    Yeah, and I thought she's still a choker at heart so would prob find a
    way to lose it. You can't expect your opponent to hit errors and give it
    to you, have to go out and win it. Kim Clijsters consoled her and said
    she lost her 1st 4 slam finals : )

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sun Jul 16 21:03:08 2023
    On 16/07/2023 6:44 am, Sawfish wrote:
    Recently there was some discussion, with the requisite RST disagreements
    and hard-headed "I'll die on this hilltop" intransigence we've all come
    to know and love.

    ...and we came to no conclusion.

    So did Jabeur choke, or was it something else? If so, what?



    Yes it was a choke job, reminiscent of Novotna v Graf Wimbledon final 30
    yrs ago 1993

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 16 08:36:06 2023
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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Sun Jul 16 08:11:22 2023
    On 7/16/23 2:32 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Saturday, 15 July 2023 at 21:44:05 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
    Recently there was some discussion, with the requisite RST disagreements
    and hard-headed "I'll die on this hilltop" intransigence we've all come
    to know and love.

    ...and we came to no conclusion.

    So did Jabeur choke, or was it something else? If so, what?
    yes she choked but also got outplayed too, wasn't used to left-handed awkward hacking play on grass by Vondrousova.
    The lefty part was a factor. Vondrousova played a very competent match, allowing herself to be in a position to win, if her opponent faltered.
    Have to say until this week didn't think Jabeur had the skills to win a slam, as have always said she's missing something from her game, but was very surprised by her QF and SF performance, taking out Rybakina and Sabalenka very good going, she
    definitely improved, respect to her for that.
    She's a great tactical player with a command of a large tennis toolkit, compared to many. She reminds me of Barty, but with more tools--but
    mental discipline is not one of them.


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    --Charles Bukowski ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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