Never thought I would write this, but Goran has ended up as a great coach for Djokovic. Djok is playing better now than he ever has IMO, and Goran seems to have helped Djok's game - especially the serve...

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On 7/15/23 3:09 AM, RahimAsif wrote:

Never thought I would write this, but Goran has ended up as a great coach for Djokovic. Djok is playing better now than he ever has IMO, and Goran seems to have helped Djok's game - especially the serve...

Does it seems to you that there are many similarities between
Ivanisevich's service motion and Kyrgios'?

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Barbecue grills on fire behind the condominiums that line the 9th fairway.

I watched casual strollers slip on dog excrement on the boardwalk near the amusement pier.

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Time for lunch.

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On 7/15/23 8:31 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:

Does it seems to you that there are many
similarities between Ivanisevich's service
motion and Kyrgios'?

Well, the question was not addressed to me, but I
will comment anyway. It has been ages since I saw
Goran Ivanisevic play.

He was a lefty while Kyrgios is not, but I guess
that is not important here. I think both players
have a quick service motion and their ball toss
could also be lower than average?

I cannot think of other similarities now.

br,
KK

So far as I'm concerned, any question posted to the open group is
inviting comments from all members.

Yes, those are the similarities I see, too. Kyrgios especially has a
very compact motion with a low toss.

Having played for years, in my opinion the high toss has two
disadvantages: wind drift when playing outdoors, and it's possible to
pick up a bit of a clue on the general direction intended. Plus you have
a bit more time to react to that clue.

Downside is that low toss make it harder to get a deep knee bend to
generate power. The power that Kyrgios and Ivanisevich had was likely
generated by arm/wrist, and perhaps more torsional rotation than is common.

Still, a more conventional server could at least use the arm/wrist, like
these two, and added the deep knee bend. There's added potential for the
higher toss/knew bend.

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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:

Does it seems to you that there are many
similarities between Ivanisevich's service
motion and Kyrgios'?

Well, the question was not addressed to me, but I
will comment anyway. It has been ages since I saw
Goran Ivanisevic play.

He was a lefty while Kyrgios is not, but I guess
that is not important here. I think both players
have a quick service motion and their ball toss
could also be lower than average?

I cannot think of other similarities now.

br,
KK

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On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 6:09:17 AM UTC-4, RahimAsif wrote:

Never thought I would write this, but Goran has ended up as a great coach for Djokovic. Djok is playing better now than he ever has IMO, and Goran seems to have helped Djok's game - especially the serve...

I think in many ways Djokovic is playing better now as well. Don't tell PeteWasLucky that though! ;)

Let's see if Alcaraz can stop this Djokovic tomorrow. It sure would make it more interesting if Alcaraz could stop Djokovic but I have to see it to believe it.

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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Let's see if Alcaraz can stop this Djokovic tomorrow.
It sure would make it more interesting if Alcaraz
could stop Djokovic but I have to see it to believe it.

That's a healthy attitude to have.

br,
KK

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On 16.7.2023 12.54, Whisper wrote:

On 15/07/2023 8:09 pm, RahimAsif wrote:

Never thought I would write this, but Goran has ended up as a great
coach for Djokovic. Djok is playing better now than he ever has IMO,
and Goran seems to have helped Djok's game - especially the serve...

Yes, Novak knew he needed to keep points shorter as he aged and the
obvious strategy was to improve his serving.

He's been improving his serve from since 2010 at least.

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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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On 15/07/2023 8:09 pm, RahimAsif wrote:

Never thought I would write this, but Goran has ended up as a great coach for Djokovic. Djok is playing better now than he ever has IMO, and Goran seems to have helped Djok's game - especially the serve...

Yes, Novak knew he needed to keep points shorter as he aged and the
obvious strategy was to improve his serving.

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On 16/07/2023 1:31 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:

Does it seems to you that there are many
similarities between Ivanisevich's service
motion and Kyrgios'?

Well, the question was not addressed to me, but I
will comment anyway. It has been ages since I saw
Goran Ivanisevic play.

He was a lefty while Kyrgios is not, but I guess
that is not important here. I think both players
have a quick service motion and their ball toss
could also be lower than average?

I cannot think of other similarities now.

br,
KK

Nick has a great serve, but Goran's was superior.

Goran still holds the record for most aces in a tennis season, 1,477 in 1996

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On 16/07/2023 5:59 am, Court_1 wrote:

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 6:09:17 AM UTC-4, RahimAsif wrote:

Never thought I would write this, but Goran has ended up as a great coach for Djokovic. Djok is playing better now than he ever has IMO, and Goran seems to have helped Djok's game - especially the serve...

I think in many ways Djokovic is playing better now as well. Don't tell PeteWasLucky that though! ;)

Let's see if Alcaraz can stop this Djokovic tomorrow. It sure would make it more interesting if Alcaraz could stop Djokovic but I have to see it to believe it.

Should be a very interesting match. Carlos won't choke and we know
Novak won't either. Novak will make Carlos win it, will get no
freebies. Can the kid keep pulling the trigger on the big points while
getting no freebies? Carlos has had very impressive straight set wins
over Rune and especially Medvedev coming into this match, will be very
fresh and confident. This should be 1 of those historically critical
matches analysts will discuss forever : )

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On 16/07/2023 1:09 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 7/15/23 3:09 AM, RahimAsif wrote:

Never thought I would write this, but Goran has ended up as a great
coach for Djokovic. Djok is playing better now than he ever has IMO,
and Goran seems to have helped Djok's game - especially the serve...

Does it seems to you that there are many similarities between
Ivanisevich's service motion and Kyrgios'?

They have a lot in common off the court too - Croatian mothers and
Serbian fathers.

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On 7/16/23 3:43 AM, Whisper wrote:

On 16/07/2023 1:31 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:

Does it seems to you that there are many
similarities between Ivanisevich's service
motion and Kyrgios'?

Well, the question was not addressed to me, but I
will comment anyway. It has been ages since I saw
Goran Ivanisevic play.

He was a lefty while Kyrgios is not, but I guess
that is not important here. I think both players
have a quick service motion and their ball toss
could also be lower than average?

I cannot think of other similarities now.

br,
KK

Nick has a great serve, but Goran's was superior.

That was never a part of the discussion, until now.

Goran still holds the record for most aces in a tennis season, 1,477
in 1996

Do you feel that the total was affected by Ivo being a lefty?

If so, how much?

[Note: this is not to say that he wasn't a great server, but merely to
examine the components of his serve, and try to ascribe a relative value
to them.]

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