• Sampras and Alcaraz

    From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 15 03:50:57 2023
    The 2 most explosive players I've ever seen. Novak/Nadal/Federer are
    crazy impressive with their consistency and longevity, but in terms of
    pure explosive tennis and shot making Sampras and Alcaraz are the 2 big
    stand outs. Everyone worried tennis would be in big trouble after the
    big 3 left the stage, but surprisingly it's more popular than ever,
    biggest crowds at Wimbledon this yr etc. I'm certainly more excited
    about watching Carlos play than any player since Sampras. The only
    problem is Carlos is just 1 guy and everything rests on his shoulders.
    Let's pray nothing happens to him injury etc.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Fri Jul 14 19:05:04 2023
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    He is a special physical specimen playing caveman
    tennis. Mike Tyson with a tennis racquet.

    That is quite nicely said. It makes sense.

    Alcaraz is really one hard-hitting man. Like I said
    on some other thread, I was shocked to see his
    cross court forehand umm... I guess it was a match
    against Berrettini.

    After the devastating winner, its speed was shown
    to the spectators: 104 mph = 167.4 kmh. Wow!!!

    Is this even real? I have seen both Tommy Paul
    and Casper Ruud hit inside out forehands that
    were clocked at 100 mph, but to make it 104 mph
    is so sick!

    It is probably the fastest baseline shot I have ever
    witnessed. When he hit it, you could immediately tell
    that it was a killer shot even before they showed the
    amazing speed on the screen.

    Has anyone here seen a faster baseline shot?


    However, we must remember that even though Alcaraz
    can hit his shots very hard, he also has a very
    delicate touch. His dropshots work extremely well
    because he knows how to hide them, and his execution
    is usually superb.

    Stefanos Tsitsipas has said in an interview that
    Carlitos Alcaraz is the hardest hitting opponent
    he has ever faced.

    br,
    KK

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Whisper on Fri Jul 14 21:17:27 2023
    On 14.7.2023 20.50, Whisper wrote:


    The 2 most explosive players I've ever seen.  Novak/Nadal/Federer are
    crazy impressive with their consistency and longevity, but in terms of
    pure explosive tennis and shot making Sampras and Alcaraz are the 2 big
    stand outs.  Everyone worried tennis would be in big trouble after the
    big 3 left the stage, but surprisingly it's more popular than ever,
    biggest crowds at Wimbledon this yr etc.  I'm certainly more excited
    about watching Carlos play than any player since Sampras.  The only
    problem is Carlos is just 1 guy and everything rests on his shoulders.
    Let's pray nothing happens to him injury etc.

    It's also possible his domination will kill interest in tennis. Despite
    being a fan of Tsi, the Black Knight of tennis, I wouldn't like to see
    20 Alcatraz v Tsi finals.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Whisper on Fri Jul 14 11:44:06 2023
    On 7/14/23 10:50 AM, Whisper wrote:


    The 2 most explosive players I've ever seen.  Novak/Nadal/Federer are
    crazy impressive with their consistency and longevity, but in terms of
    pure explosive tennis and shot making Sampras and Alcaraz are the 2
    big stand outs.

    Yes.

    And I won't speak to Sampras (don't remember well enough), but Alcaraz
    is playing pure, physical animal tennis.

    He is a special physical specimen playing caveman tennis. Mike Tyson
    with a tennis racquet.

    Everyone worried tennis would be in big trouble after the big 3 left
    the stage, but surprisingly it's more popular than ever, biggest crowds
    at Wimbledon this yr >etc.  I'm certainly more excited about watching
    Carlos play than any player since Sampras.  The only problem is Carlos
    is just 1 guy and everything rests on his >shoulders. Let's pray nothing happens to him injury etc.


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  • From grif@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Jul 14 20:14:30 2023
    On 14/07/2023 20:05, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    He is a special physical specimen playing caveman
    tennis. Mike Tyson with a tennis racquet.

    That is quite nicely said. It makes sense.

    Alcaraz is really one hard-hitting man. Like I said
    on some other thread, I was shocked to see his
    cross court forehand umm... I guess it was a match
    against Berrettini.

    After the devastating winner, its speed was shown
    to the spectators: 104 mph = 167.4 kmh. Wow!!!

    Is this even real? I have seen both Tommy Paul
    and Casper Ruud hit inside out forehands that
    were clocked at 100 mph, but to make it 104 mph
    is so sick!

    It is probably the fastest baseline shot I have ever
    witnessed. When he hit it, you could immediately tell
    that it was a killer shot even before they showed the
    amazing speed on the screen.

    Has anyone here seen a faster baseline shot?


    However, we must remember that even though Alcaraz
    can hit his shots very hard, he also has a very
    delicate touch. His dropshots work extremely well
    because he knows how to hide them, and his execution
    is usually superb.

    Stefanos Tsitsipas has said in an interview that
    Carlitos Alcaraz is the hardest hitting opponent
    he has ever faced.

    br,
    KK

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlrZzo_rSSs

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Jul 14 22:13:14 2023
    On 14.7.2023 22.05, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    After the devastating winner, its speed was shown
    to the spectators: 104 mph = 167.4 kmh. Wow!!!

    Is this even real?

    He hit a 170 FH off a sitter at RG.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to pelle@svans.los on Fri Jul 14 19:26:40 2023
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    On 14.7.2023 22.05, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    After the devastating winner, its speed was shown
    to the spectators: 104 mph = 167.4 kmh. Wow!!!

    Is this even real?

    He hit a 170 FH off a sitter at RG.

    That is shocking as well, what a blast!

    However, I assume that by "off a sitter" you
    mean that he had a short ball near the net, and
    then he hit a huge winner from that pretty
    easy position.

    When Alcaraz hit his 104mph cross court forehand,
    he was located close to his baseline. So maybe
    this Wimbledon winner is slightly more impressive
    because it was struck in the middle of a normal
    baseline exchange?

    I just cannot tell, I guess it is a matter of
    opinion. If you focus on the speed alone, then
    obiously the Roland Garros forehand is the best.

    It certainly is the fastest. Whoa!

    br,
    KK

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to grif on Fri Jul 14 19:37:33 2023
    grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlrZzo_rSSs

    Thanks for the information! It is now clear to me
    that the 104mph forehand is nowhere near the
    fastest. I should have done some research myself.

    Inspired by your link, I did some additional googling
    to verify and found this piece of news:

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/atp-tennis-news-gael-monfils-surpasses-nick-kyrgios-record-after-hitting-his-bullet-forehand-at-indian-wells-2022/

    So Gael Monfils hit a 124mph/199.6km forehand at Indian
    Wells in 2022. I don't know what to say, but your
    YouTube video revealed the shocking truth... Unreal!

    Perhaps Carlitos is still the player who keeps hitting
    very hard consistently nearly all the time?

    br,
    KK

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Jul 14 23:22:54 2023
    On 14.7.2023 22.26, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    On 14.7.2023 22.05, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    After the devastating winner, its speed was shown
    to the spectators: 104 mph = 167.4 kmh. Wow!!!

    Is this even real?

    He hit a 170 FH off a sitter at RG.

    That is shocking as well, what a blast!

    However, I assume that by "off a sitter" you
    mean that he had a short ball near the net, and
    then he hit a huge winner from that pretty
    easy position.

    When Alcaraz hit his 104mph cross court forehand,
    he was located close to his baseline. So maybe
    this Wimbledon winner is slightly more impressive
    because it was struck in the middle of a normal
    baseline exchange?

    I don't know which is more impressive. But since you asked whether it's
    for real, ... yes, it's happened before.

    A sitter is a ball that sits up. Has little to no forward velocity.
    These are harder to handle than they seem, let alone put 170 on them and
    keep them in. You need a lot of spin.

    But these guys practice these things

    https://youtu.be/7qOxXRuxuxw?t=74

    Too bad Sampras didn't do this. Might of done better at RG. With no
    handicap at W.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to pelle@svans.los on Fri Jul 14 22:50:27 2023
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    A sitter is a ball that sits up. Has little to no forward velocity.
    These are harder to handle than they seem, let alone put 170 on them and
    keep them in. You need a lot of spin.

    Yes, of course. I had never heard of a "sitter". I
    cannot think about the corresponging translation
    in Finnish using tennis terms or not.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 14 18:45:03 2023
    On 7/14/2023 3:22 PM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 14.7.2023 22.26, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    On 14.7.2023 22.05, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    After the devastating winner, its speed was shown
    to the spectators: 104 mph = 167.4 kmh. Wow!!!

    Is this even real?

    He hit a 170 FH off a sitter at RG.

    That is shocking as well, what a blast!

    However, I assume that by "off a sitter" you
    mean that he had a short ball near the net, and
    then he hit a huge winner from that pretty
    easy position.

    When Alcaraz hit his 104mph cross court forehand,
    he was located close to his baseline. So maybe
    this Wimbledon winner is slightly more impressive
    because it was struck in the middle of a normal
    baseline exchange?

    I don't know which is more impressive. But since you asked whether it's
    for real, ... yes, it's happened before.

    A sitter is a ball that sits up. Has little to no forward velocity.
    These are harder to handle than they seem, let alone put 170 on them and
    keep them in. You need a lot of spin.

    But these guys practice these things

    https://youtu.be/7qOxXRuxuxw?t=74

    Too bad Sampras didn't do this. Might of done better at RG. With no
    handicap at W.

    Nice link!

    However, I am sure Sampras practiced in the same manner, but the
    racquets and strings were far different in his day. Plus the surfaces
    were so much different (grass didn't allow the ball to bounce near as
    high and consistently). Not to forget that Wimbledon was one week
    earlier to Roland Garros than these days.
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  • From stephenj@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 14 19:33:13 2023
    Alcarez seems to have the ability to mimic Sampras's "hangdog look" on
    the court.

    Other than that, I think he has a lot to prove before I can call him
    explosive. Beating Joker on Sunday would do it.

    But he is an exciting young gun, no question. Just hope he doesn't flame
    out quick like some others have.





    On 7/14/2023 12:50 PM, Whisper wrote:


    The 2 most explosive players I've ever seen.  Novak/Nadal/Federer are
    crazy impressive with their consistency and longevity, but in terms of
    pure explosive tennis and shot making Sampras and Alcaraz are the 2 big
    stand outs.  Everyone worried tennis would be in big trouble after the
    big 3 left the stage, but surprisingly it's more popular than ever,
    biggest crowds at Wimbledon this yr etc.  I'm certainly more excited
    about watching Carlos play than any player since Sampras.  The only
    problem is Carlos is just 1 guy and everything rests on his shoulders.
    Let's pray nothing happens to him injury etc.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 15 10:57:38 2023
    On 15.7.2023 2.45, Scall5 wrote:
    On 7/14/2023 3:22 PM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 14.7.2023 22.26, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    On 14.7.2023 22.05, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    After the devastating winner, its speed was shown
    to the spectators: 104 mph = 167.4 kmh. Wow!!!

    Is this even real?

    He hit a 170 FH off a sitter at RG.

    That is shocking as well, what a blast!

    However, I assume that by "off a sitter" you
    mean that he had a short ball near the net, and
    then he hit a huge winner from that pretty
    easy position.

    When Alcaraz hit his 104mph cross court forehand,
    he was located close to his baseline. So maybe
    this Wimbledon winner is slightly more impressive
    because it was struck in the middle of a normal
    baseline exchange?

    I don't know which is more impressive. But since you asked whether
    it's for real, ... yes, it's happened before.

    A sitter is a ball that sits up. Has little to no forward velocity.
    These are harder to handle than they seem, let alone put 170 on them
    and keep them in. You need a lot of spin.

    But these guys practice these things

    https://youtu.be/7qOxXRuxuxw?t=74

    Too bad Sampras didn't do this. Might of done better at RG. With no
    handicap at W.

    Nice link!

    However, I am sure Sampras practiced in the same manner,

    I am much less sure.

    Sampras just didn't have this rapid, last second "snap", for lack of a
    better word, in his FH. It's that "snap" that these guys are practicing. Beresatequi and the Spaniards of the day surely did these things. That's
    where these drills come from. But Sampras? I'm not sure whether the
    brawny, but unsnappy Sampras would have bothered.

    The fast 90s had perhaps the best Eurobeat there ever was, but some of
    its tennis is a bit uncool now.

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    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 15 18:31:13 2023
    On 15/07/2023 4:17 am, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 14.7.2023 20.50, Whisper wrote:


    The 2 most explosive players I've ever seen.  Novak/Nadal/Federer are
    crazy impressive with their consistency and longevity, but in terms of
    pure explosive tennis and shot making Sampras and Alcaraz are the 2
    big stand outs.  Everyone worried tennis would be in big trouble after
    the big 3 left the stage, but surprisingly it's more popular than
    ever, biggest crowds at Wimbledon this yr etc.  I'm certainly more
    excited about watching Carlos play than any player since Sampras.  The
    only problem is Carlos is just 1 guy and everything rests on his
    shoulders. Let's pray nothing happens to him injury etc.

    It's also possible his domination will kill interest in tennis. Despite
    being a fan of Tsi, the Black Knight of tennis, I wouldn't like to see
    20 Alcatraz v Tsi finals.



    At least you'd see a lot of amazing tennis from Carlos.

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