• Re: Woke Power Is Now More Powerful Than Carbonism

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Tue Jul 11 09:35:41 2023
    On 10.7.2023 23.38, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:26:15 AM UTC-4, Bret Cahill wrote in alt.global-warming:
    Creationism is weaker than Darwinism and Carbonism is weaker than woke power.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/europes-surging-solar-sector-set-cannibalization-risk-2023-07-10/

    Thanks, Joe.

    "However, the rapid growth in solar supply capacity throughout Europe's electricity grids is already starting to erode producer profitability,
    as surplus power from solar sites depresses wholesale electricity prices
    and results in utilities earning shrinking revenues from renewables.

    The phenomenon, known as the renewables cannibalization effect, is a
    result of a feature of Europe's electricity system which both
    prioritizes clean electricity supplies and sets the price of wholesale electricity off the most expensive source of electricity needed to
    fulfil system demand at any given time.

    Natural gas has been the primary source of electricity in Europe for
    decades, and so the gas-fired price of electricity generation has
    historically been the main factor that determined electricity producer
    prices.

    However, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine snarled Europe's gas markets
    in 2022, Europe's power generators have accelerated the build-out of
    renewable energy capacity while cutting back on electricity generation
    from fossil fuels.

    This has tipped the balance of the continent's electricity price-setting markets away from natural gas toward solar and wind sources and resulted
    in cheap-to-produce renewable power having increasing sway over
    wholesale electricity pricing."

    A beautiful example of how government pushed capitalism beats Putin's
    wars. First, you subsidise building renewable energy => windfall profits
    more outfits want to share the cake => capacity up => prices down =>
    windfall profits down => consuming like no tomorrow.

    Blessed is the green transition. Blessed are the Marxists.

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    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 11 04:22:27 2023
    On Tuesday, 11 July 2023 at 07:35:45 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 10.7.2023 23.38, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:26:15 AM UTC-4, Bret Cahill wrote in alt.global-warming:
    Creationism is weaker than Darwinism and Carbonism is weaker than woke power.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/europes-surging-solar-sector-set-cannibalization-risk-2023-07-10/

    Thanks, Joe.
    "However, the rapid growth in solar supply capacity throughout Europe's electricity grids is already starting to erode producer profitability,
    as surplus power from solar sites depresses wholesale electricity prices
    and results in utilities earning shrinking revenues from renewables.

    The phenomenon, known as the renewables cannibalization effect, is a
    result of a feature of Europe's electricity system which both
    prioritizes clean electricity supplies and sets the price of wholesale electricity off the most expensive source of electricity needed to
    fulfil system demand at any given time.

    Natural gas has been the primary source of electricity in Europe for decades, and so the gas-fired price of electricity generation has historically been the main factor that determined electricity producer prices.

    However, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine snarled Europe's gas markets
    in 2022, Europe's power generators have accelerated the build-out of renewable energy capacity while cutting back on electricity generation
    from fossil fuels.

    This has tipped the balance of the continent's electricity price-setting markets away from natural gas toward solar and wind sources and resulted
    in cheap-to-produce renewable power having increasing sway over
    wholesale electricity pricing."

    A beautiful example of how government pushed capitalism beats Putin's
    wars. First, you subsidise building renewable energy => windfall profits
    more outfits want to share the cake => capacity up => prices down =>
    windfall profits down => consuming like no tomorrow.

    Blessed is the green transition. Blessed are the Marxists.

    it's so great we're paying the highest energy price in history! hoooray!! is everything the Emperor's New Clothes in your world like all those wind turbines that break?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Tue Jul 11 15:17:37 2023
    On 11.7.2023 14.22, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 11 July 2023 at 07:35:45 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 10.7.2023 23.38, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:26:15 AM UTC-4, Bret Cahill wrote in alt.global-warming:
    Creationism is weaker than Darwinism and Carbonism is weaker than woke power.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/europes-surging-solar-sector-set-cannibalization-risk-2023-07-10/

    Thanks, Joe.
    "However, the rapid growth in solar supply capacity throughout Europe's
    electricity grids is already starting to erode producer profitability,
    as surplus power from solar sites depresses wholesale electricity prices
    and results in utilities earning shrinking revenues from renewables.

    The phenomenon, known as the renewables cannibalization effect, is a
    result of a feature of Europe's electricity system which both
    prioritizes clean electricity supplies and sets the price of wholesale
    electricity off the most expensive source of electricity needed to
    fulfil system demand at any given time.

    Natural gas has been the primary source of electricity in Europe for
    decades, and so the gas-fired price of electricity generation has
    historically been the main factor that determined electricity producer
    prices.

    However, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine snarled Europe's gas markets
    in 2022, Europe's power generators have accelerated the build-out of
    renewable energy capacity while cutting back on electricity generation
    from fossil fuels.

    This has tipped the balance of the continent's electricity price-setting
    markets away from natural gas toward solar and wind sources and resulted
    in cheap-to-produce renewable power having increasing sway over
    wholesale electricity pricing."

    A beautiful example of how government pushed capitalism beats Putin's
    wars. First, you subsidise building renewable energy => windfall profits
    more outfits want to share the cake => capacity up => prices down =>
    windfall profits down => consuming like no tomorrow.

    Blessed is the green transition. Blessed are the Marxists.

    it's so great we're paying the highest energy price in history!

    If you are, it's UK specific. Don't vote for screw-ups.

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 11 23:01:35 2023
    Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 11.7.2023 klo 9.35:
    On 10.7.2023 23.38, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:26:15 AM UTC-4, Bret Cahill wrote in
    alt.global-warming:
    Creationism is weaker than Darwinism and Carbonism is weaker than
    woke power.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/europes-surging-solar-sector-set-cannibalization-risk-2023-07-10/

    Thanks, Joe.

    "However, the rapid growth in solar supply capacity throughout Europe's electricity grids is already starting to erode producer profitability,
    as surplus power from solar sites depresses wholesale electricity prices
    and results in utilities earning shrinking revenues from renewables.

    The phenomenon, known as the renewables cannibalization effect, is a
    result of a feature of Europe's electricity system which both
    prioritizes clean electricity supplies and sets the price of wholesale electricity off the most expensive source of electricity needed to
    fulfil system demand at any given time.

    Natural gas has been the primary source of electricity in Europe for
    decades, and so the gas-fired price of electricity generation has historically been the main factor that determined electricity producer prices.

    However, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine snarled Europe's gas markets
    in 2022, Europe's power generators have accelerated the build-out of renewable energy capacity while cutting back on electricity generation
    from fossil fuels.

    This has tipped the balance of the continent's electricity price-setting markets away from natural gas toward solar and wind sources and resulted
    in cheap-to-produce renewable power having increasing sway over
    wholesale electricity pricing."

    A beautiful example of how government pushed capitalism beats Putin's
    wars. First, you subsidise building renewable energy => windfall profits
    more outfits want to share the cake => capacity up => prices down =>
    windfall profits down => consuming like no tomorrow.

    Blessed is the green transition. Blessed are the Marxists.


    Blessed are the warm winters.
    Since if next winter we have long cold period, there's simply not enough electricity because of green transition.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 11 23:04:08 2023
    Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 11.7.2023 klo 15.17:
    On 11.7.2023 14.22, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 11 July 2023 at 07:35:45 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 10.7.2023 23.38, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:26:15 AM UTC-4, Bret Cahill wrote in
    alt.global-warming:
    Creationism is weaker than Darwinism and Carbonism is weaker than
    woke power.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/europes-surging-solar-sector-set-cannibalization-risk-2023-07-10/

    Thanks, Joe.
    "However, the rapid growth in solar supply capacity throughout Europe's
    electricity grids is already starting to erode producer profitability,
    as surplus power from solar sites depresses wholesale electricity prices >>> and results in utilities earning shrinking revenues from renewables.

    The phenomenon, known as the renewables cannibalization effect, is a
    result of a feature of Europe's electricity system which both
    prioritizes clean electricity supplies and sets the price of wholesale
    electricity off the most expensive source of electricity needed to
    fulfil system demand at any given time.

    Natural gas has been the primary source of electricity in Europe for
    decades, and so the gas-fired price of electricity generation has
    historically been the main factor that determined electricity producer
    prices.

    However, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine snarled Europe's gas markets >>> in 2022, Europe's power generators have accelerated the build-out of
    renewable energy capacity while cutting back on electricity generation
    from fossil fuels.

    This has tipped the balance of the continent's electricity price-setting >>> markets away from natural gas toward solar and wind sources and resulted >>> in cheap-to-produce renewable power having increasing sway over
    wholesale electricity pricing."

    A beautiful example of how government pushed capitalism beats Putin's
    wars. First, you subsidise building renewable energy => windfall profits >>> => more outfits want to share the cake => capacity up => prices down =>
    windfall profits down => consuming like no tomorrow.

    Blessed is the green transition. Blessed are the Marxists.

    it's so great we're paying the highest energy price in history!

    If you are, it's UK specific. Don't vote for screw-ups.


    It's definitely not UK specific. All across Europe in winter when
    there's little wind.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 12 00:19:17 2023
    On 11.7.2023 23.01, TT wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 11.7.2023 klo 9.35:
    On 10.7.2023 23.38, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:26:15 AM UTC-4, Bret Cahill wrote in
    alt.global-warming:
    Creationism is weaker than Darwinism and Carbonism is weaker than
    woke power.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/europes-surging-solar-sector-set-cannibalization-risk-2023-07-10/

    Thanks, Joe.

    "However, the rapid growth in solar supply capacity throughout
    Europe's electricity grids is already starting to erode producer
    profitability, as surplus power from solar sites depresses wholesale
    electricity prices and results in utilities earning shrinking revenues
    from renewables.

    The phenomenon, known as the renewables cannibalization effect, is a
    result of a feature of Europe's electricity system which both
    prioritizes clean electricity supplies and sets the price of wholesale
    electricity off the most expensive source of electricity needed to
    fulfil system demand at any given time.

    Natural gas has been the primary source of electricity in Europe for
    decades, and so the gas-fired price of electricity generation has
    historically been the main factor that determined electricity producer
    prices.

    However, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine snarled Europe's gas
    markets in 2022, Europe's power generators have accelerated the
    build-out of renewable energy capacity while cutting back on
    electricity generation from fossil fuels.

    This has tipped the balance of the continent's electricity
    price-setting markets away from natural gas toward solar and wind
    sources and resulted in cheap-to-produce renewable power having
    increasing sway over wholesale electricity pricing."

    A beautiful example of how government pushed capitalism beats Putin's
    wars. First, you subsidise building renewable energy => windfall
    profits => more outfits want to share the cake => capacity up =>
    prices down => windfall profits down => consuming like no tomorrow.

    Blessed is the green transition. Blessed are the Marxists.


    Blessed are the warm winters.
    Since if next winter we have long cold period, there's simply not enough electricity because of green transition.

    Jesus.

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 12 00:15:31 2023
    On 11.7.2023 23.04, TT wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 11.7.2023 klo 15.17:
    On 11.7.2023 14.22, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 11 July 2023 at 07:35:45 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 10.7.2023 23.38, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:26:15 AM UTC-4, Bret Cahill wrote in >>>>> alt.global-warming:
    Creationism is weaker than Darwinism and Carbonism is weaker than
    woke power.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/europes-surging-solar-sector-set-cannibalization-risk-2023-07-10/

    Thanks, Joe.
    "However, the rapid growth in solar supply capacity throughout Europe's >>>> electricity grids is already starting to erode producer profitability, >>>> as surplus power from solar sites depresses wholesale electricity
    prices
    and results in utilities earning shrinking revenues from renewables.

    The phenomenon, known as the renewables cannibalization effect, is a
    result of a feature of Europe's electricity system which both
    prioritizes clean electricity supplies and sets the price of wholesale >>>> electricity off the most expensive source of electricity needed to
    fulfil system demand at any given time.

    Natural gas has been the primary source of electricity in Europe for
    decades, and so the gas-fired price of electricity generation has
    historically been the main factor that determined electricity producer >>>> prices.

    However, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine snarled Europe's gas
    markets
    in 2022, Europe's power generators have accelerated the build-out of
    renewable energy capacity while cutting back on electricity generation >>>> from fossil fuels.

    This has tipped the balance of the continent's electricity
    price-setting
    markets away from natural gas toward solar and wind sources and
    resulted
    in cheap-to-produce renewable power having increasing sway over
    wholesale electricity pricing."

    A beautiful example of how government pushed capitalism beats Putin's
    wars. First, you subsidise building renewable energy => windfall
    profits
    more outfits want to share the cake => capacity up => prices down => >>>> windfall profits down => consuming like no tomorrow.

    Blessed is the green transition. Blessed are the Marxists.

    it's so great we're paying the highest energy price in history!

    If you are, it's UK specific. Don't vote for screw-ups.


    It's definitely not UK specific. All across Europe in winter when
    there's little wind.

    Are you saying we have the highest energy prices in history ATM? Or are
    you just drunk?

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 12 01:40:24 2023
    On Tuesday, 11 July 2023 at 22:15:34 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 11.7.2023 23.04, TT wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 11.7.2023 klo 15.17:
    On 11.7.2023 14.22, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 11 July 2023 at 07:35:45 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 10.7.2023 23.38, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:26:15 AM UTC-4, Bret Cahill wrote in >>>>> alt.global-warming:
    Creationism is weaker than Darwinism and Carbonism is weaker than >>>>>> woke power.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/europes-surging-solar-sector-set-cannibalization-risk-2023-07-10/

    Thanks, Joe.
    "However, the rapid growth in solar supply capacity throughout Europe's >>>> electricity grids is already starting to erode producer profitability, >>>> as surplus power from solar sites depresses wholesale electricity
    prices
    and results in utilities earning shrinking revenues from renewables. >>>>
    The phenomenon, known as the renewables cannibalization effect, is a >>>> result of a feature of Europe's electricity system which both
    prioritizes clean electricity supplies and sets the price of wholesale >>>> electricity off the most expensive source of electricity needed to
    fulfil system demand at any given time.

    Natural gas has been the primary source of electricity in Europe for >>>> decades, and so the gas-fired price of electricity generation has
    historically been the main factor that determined electricity producer >>>> prices.

    However, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine snarled Europe's gas
    markets
    in 2022, Europe's power generators have accelerated the build-out of >>>> renewable energy capacity while cutting back on electricity generation >>>> from fossil fuels.

    This has tipped the balance of the continent's electricity
    price-setting
    markets away from natural gas toward solar and wind sources and
    resulted
    in cheap-to-produce renewable power having increasing sway over
    wholesale electricity pricing."

    A beautiful example of how government pushed capitalism beats Putin's >>>> wars. First, you subsidise building renewable energy => windfall
    profits
    more outfits want to share the cake => capacity up => prices down => >>>> windfall profits down => consuming like no tomorrow.

    Blessed is the green transition. Blessed are the Marxists.

    it's so great we're paying the highest energy price in history!

    If you are, it's UK specific. Don't vote for screw-ups.


    It's definitely not UK specific. All across Europe in winter when
    there's little wind.
    Are you saying we have the highest energy prices in history ATM? Or are
    you just drunk?

    how high are the energy prices ATM compared with say 10 years ago?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Wed Jul 12 14:00:24 2023
    On 12.7.2023 11.40, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 11 July 2023 at 22:15:34 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 11.7.2023 23.04, TT wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 11.7.2023 klo 15.17:
    On 11.7.2023 14.22, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 11 July 2023 at 07:35:45 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 10.7.2023 23.38, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:26:15 AM UTC-4, Bret Cahill wrote in >>>>>>> alt.global-warming:
    Creationism is weaker than Darwinism and Carbonism is weaker than >>>>>>>> woke power.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/europes-surging-solar-sector-set-cannibalization-risk-2023-07-10/

    Thanks, Joe.
    "However, the rapid growth in solar supply capacity throughout Europe's >>>>>> electricity grids is already starting to erode producer profitability, >>>>>> as surplus power from solar sites depresses wholesale electricity
    prices
    and results in utilities earning shrinking revenues from renewables. >>>>>>
    The phenomenon, known as the renewables cannibalization effect, is a >>>>>> result of a feature of Europe's electricity system which both
    prioritizes clean electricity supplies and sets the price of wholesale >>>>>> electricity off the most expensive source of electricity needed to >>>>>> fulfil system demand at any given time.

    Natural gas has been the primary source of electricity in Europe for >>>>>> decades, and so the gas-fired price of electricity generation has
    historically been the main factor that determined electricity producer >>>>>> prices.

    However, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine snarled Europe's gas
    markets
    in 2022, Europe's power generators have accelerated the build-out of >>>>>> renewable energy capacity while cutting back on electricity generation >>>>>> from fossil fuels.

    This has tipped the balance of the continent's electricity
    price-setting
    markets away from natural gas toward solar and wind sources and
    resulted
    in cheap-to-produce renewable power having increasing sway over
    wholesale electricity pricing."

    A beautiful example of how government pushed capitalism beats Putin's >>>>>> wars. First, you subsidise building renewable energy => windfall
    profits
    more outfits want to share the cake => capacity up => prices down => >>>>>> windfall profits down => consuming like no tomorrow.

    Blessed is the green transition. Blessed are the Marxists.

    it's so great we're paying the highest energy price in history!

    If you are, it's UK specific. Don't vote for screw-ups.


    It's definitely not UK specific. All across Europe in winter when
    there's little wind.
    Are you saying we have the highest energy prices in history ATM? Or are
    you just drunk?

    how high are the energy prices ATM compared with say 10 years ago?

    Google up.

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    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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