This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are nowsponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are nowsponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27sIce, old friend, you expecting too much.
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to
completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems.
As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is
what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are
the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis
where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out
of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but
then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote: > > This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that wassponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA
On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are
Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, norLockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical
inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to
completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any
demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems.
As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the >> concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is
what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based
limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are
the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are
adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis
where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out
of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal >> combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties
they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the
funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but
then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that,
by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool.
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military
weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that
somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays,
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used to kill without regard to who is being killed.
My response involves why they are able to do this without either
question or twinge, apparently.
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are now
Lockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical
inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to
completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any
demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems.
As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the
concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is
what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based
limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are
the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are
adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis
where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out
of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties
they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the
funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but
then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:rsponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote: > > This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was
So you admit
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:59:00 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote: > > This too funny, all brucebowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are now sponspored by the world's
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:rbruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are now sponspored by the world'
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:59:00 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote: > > This too funny, all
You admit gay lobby runs Lockheed.
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are
Ice usually implies wrong things.Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, norLockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical >>>> inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to
completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any
demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems. >>>> As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the >>>> concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is >>>> what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based
limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are
the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are >>>> adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis
where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out >>>> of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal >>>> combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties >>>> they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the >>>> funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but >>>> then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious
satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that,
by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool.
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military
weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that
somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays,
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used toThey make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
kill without regard to who is being killed.
My response involves why they are able to do this without either
question or twinge, apparently.
On 6/14/23 1:42 PM, bmoore wrote:now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are
Ice usually implies wrong things.Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, nor >> to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicariousLockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical >>>> inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to
completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any
demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems. >>>> As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the >>>> concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is >>>> what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based >>>> limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are >>>> the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are >>>> adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis >>>> where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out >>>> of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties >>>> they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the >>>> funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but >>>> then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that, >> by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool.
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military
weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that
somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays,
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used to >> kill without regard to who is being killed.They make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
My response involves why they are able to do this without either
question or twinge, apparently.
Of course not, b!
But why ask me? Ask the reflexively progressive people out there. Those
same ones who think that parochial pride parades, where one group is separated from the whole based on birth identity or self-identification,
ask them.
Making separate months, separate demands for recognition based on group identity, is a poor idea at the best of times. This includes Irishmen, Italians, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc. The public celebrations of
national accomplishment, not based on small group identities, seem the
most positive and least subject to abuse.
I still think they tend to be bullshit, but they're less divisive,
unless you bring division (aka attitude) with you.
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:13 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On 6/14/23 1:42 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are
OK. From "kill without regard to who is being killed" I concluded that you think Lockheed is evil.Of course not, b!Ice usually implies wrong things.Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, nor >>>> to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious >>>> satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that, >>>> by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool. >>>>Lockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical >>>>>> inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to
completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any >>>>>> demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems. >>>>>> As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the >>>>>> concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is >>>>>> what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based >>>>>> limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are >>>>>> the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are >>>>>> adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis >>>>>> where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out >>>>>> of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal >>>>>> combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties >>>>>> they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the >>>>>> funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but >>>>>> then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military
weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that
somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays,
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used to >>>> kill without regard to who is being killed.They make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
My response involves why they are able to do this without either
question or twinge, apparently.
But why ask me? Ask the reflexively progressive people out there. Those
same ones who think that parochial pride parades, where one group is
separated from the whole based on birth identity or self-identification,
ask them.
I don't agree with a lot of American foreign policy, but I recognize the need for a national defense.
Making separate months, separate demands for recognition based on groupI have no problem if people want to have Irish, Italian, VFW, gay parades.
identity, is a poor idea at the best of times. This includes Irishmen,
Italians, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc. The public celebrations of
national accomplishment, not based on small group identities, seem the
most positive and least subject to abuse.
I still think they tend to be bullshit, but they're less divisive,
unless you bring division (aka attitude) with you.
But I don't agree with you, it seems, that gay people must reject companies like Lockheed.
Many do, probably, so I get that it's a bit odd. But we live in an odd world :-)
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:55:08 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27sWtf has this got to do with englanda, brixton, basically a third worldshithole, brush-your teeth and take a shower, smell like a septic tank, fukkig jesus
On 6/14/23 4:44 PM, bmoore wrote:are now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:13 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 1:42 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities"
I don't tend to think in terms of good/evil. It's a different axis.OK. From "kill without regard to who is being killed" I concluded that you think Lockheed is evil.Of course not, b!Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, norLockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical
inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to >>>>>> completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any >>>>>> demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems.
As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the
concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is
what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based >>>>>> limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are >>>>>> the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are
adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis >>>>>> where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out
of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties
they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the
funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but
then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious >>>> satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that, >>>> by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool. >>>>
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military >>>> weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that
somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays, >>> Ice usually implies wrong things.
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used toThey make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
kill without regard to who is being killed.
My response involves why they are able to do this without either
question or twinge, apparently.
But why ask me? Ask the reflexively progressive people out there. Those >> same ones who think that parochial pride parades, where one group is
separated from the whole based on birth identity or self-identification, >> ask them.
I start from the *personal assumption* that long-term static social stability that results in general civil content such that there isn't
fear to interact with other conforming members is extremely.
Anything that tends to deliver this I tend to support, and that which
works against it I worry about--it is a threat to me and how I like to live.
I don't agree with a lot of American foreign policy, but I recognize the need for a national defense.
Seems silly as shit to me. Think of the hubris that drives members of a small distinct group--by their own definition--to think that having aMaking separate months, separate demands for recognition based on group >> identity, is a poor idea at the best of times. This includes Irishmen,I have no problem if people want to have Irish, Italian, VFW, gay parades.
Italians, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc. The public celebrations of
national accomplishment, not based on small group identities, seem the
most positive and least subject to abuse.
I still think they tend to be bullshit, but they're less divisive,
unless you bring division (aka attitude) with you.
public demonstration that displaces normal daily activity is just fine, everyone *should* like it and appreciate it. Frankly, they don't give a
damn if it does--it's a way to enforce de facto recognition.
It's like expecting the public school system to teach anything other
than a time-limited remediation period in a language other than English.
In the case of my Mom, her folks thought it would be good for her to
learn the the old alphabet so as to be able to read Cyrillic. For my
wife, her folks thought it would be great to learn Japanese and to be
able to read hiragana, katakana, and kanji; it would please the grandparents.
Now neither group expected this to be taught and "celebrated" in the
public school system, rightly recognizing that while people will express
a level of positive interest mostly as a social gesture, they really
don't care all that much, and should not be expected to pay for such instruction. So they paid for private specialized instruction by
interested parties from the same cultural communities.
Really, this is about where the limit of celebration of distinct groups belong--within that community.
But I don't agree with you, it seems, that gay people must reject companies like Lockheed.No, not necessarily gay people, b. Those who reflexively support
progressive social agendas. It seems like such folk have never met a
trend that's blessed by progressive spokespeople that they don't
instantly like.
Now, to tie back into what I first said when talking about good/evil, I
see all of this as tremendously de-stabilizing of the majority in favor
of responding to one or more minorities--some quite small.
There is a sort of default expectancy that majority accommodates an increasing list of demands, while nor corresponding compromise is
expected of those making the demands. You give; we take.
This seldom ends well.
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities" are
Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, nor to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that,Lockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical >> inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to
completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any
demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems. >> As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the >> concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is >> what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based
limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are >> the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are >> adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis
where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out >> of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties >> they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the >> funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but >> then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool.
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow thatIce usually implies wrong things.
somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays,
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used to kill without regard to who is being killed.
My response involves why they are able to do this without eitherThey make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
question or twinge, apparently.
On 6/14/23 4:44 PM, bmoore wrote:are now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:13 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 1:42 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities"
I don't tend to think in terms of good/evil. It's a different axis.OK. From "kill without regard to who is being killed" I concluded that you think Lockheed is evil.Of course not, b!Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, norLockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical
inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to >>>>>> completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any >>>>>> demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems.
As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the
concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is
what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based >>>>>> limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are >>>>>> the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are
adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis >>>>>> where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out
of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties
they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the
funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but
then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious >>>> satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that, >>>> by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool. >>>>
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military >>>> weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that
somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays, >>> Ice usually implies wrong things.
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used toThey make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
kill without regard to who is being killed.
My response involves why they are able to do this without either
question or twinge, apparently.
But why ask me? Ask the reflexively progressive people out there. Those >> same ones who think that parochial pride parades, where one group is
separated from the whole based on birth identity or self-identification, >> ask them.
I start from the *personal assumption* that long-term static social stability that results in general civil content such that there isn't
fear to interact with other conforming members is extremely.
Anything that tends to deliver this I tend to support, and that which
works against it I worry about--it is a threat to me and how I like to live.
I don't agree with a lot of American foreign policy, but I recognize the need for a national defense.
Seems silly as shit to me. Think of the hubris that drives members of a small distinct group--by their own definition--to think that having aMaking separate months, separate demands for recognition based on group >> identity, is a poor idea at the best of times. This includes Irishmen,I have no problem if people want to have Irish, Italian, VFW, gay parades.
Italians, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc. The public celebrations of
national accomplishment, not based on small group identities, seem the
most positive and least subject to abuse.
I still think they tend to be bullshit, but they're less divisive,
unless you bring division (aka attitude) with you.
public demonstration that displaces normal daily activity is just fine, everyone *should* like it and appreciate it. Frankly, they don't give a
damn if it does--it's a way to enforce de facto recognition.
It's like expecting the public school system to teach anything other
than a time-limited remediation period in a language other than English.
In the case of my Mom, her folks thought it would be good for her to
learn the the old alphabet so as to be able to read Cyrillic. For my
wife, her folks thought it would be great to learn Japanese and to be
able to read hiragana, katakana, and kanji; it would please the grandparents.
Now neither group expected this to be taught and "celebrated" in the
public school system, rightly recognizing that while people will express
a level of positive interest mostly as a social gesture, they really
don't care all that much, and should not be expected to pay for such instruction. So they paid for private specialized instruction by
interested parties from the same cultural communities.
Really, this is about where the limit of celebration of distinct groups belong--within that community.
But I don't agree with you, it seems, that gay people must reject companies like Lockheed.No, not necessarily gay people, b. Those who reflexively support
progressive social agendas. It seems like such folk have never met a
trend that's blessed by progressive spokespeople that they don't
instantly like.
Now, to tie back into what I first said when talking about good/evil, I
see all of this as tremendously de-stabilizing of the majority in favor
of responding to one or more minorities--some quite small.
There is a sort of default expectancy that majority accommodates an increasing list of demands, while nor corresponding compromise is
expected of those making the demands. You give; we take.
This seldom ends well.
Many do, probably, so I get that it's a bit odd. But we live in an odd world :-)You're certainly right about that, b...
But I don't expect it to change in any way that I'd recognize as
positive, so that's that.
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 7:28:45 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:are now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On 6/14/23 4:44 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:13 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 1:42 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities"
I don't tend to think in terms of good/evil. It's a different axis.OK. From "kill without regard to who is being killed" I concluded that you think Lockheed is evil.Of course not, b!Ice usually implies wrong things.Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, norLockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical
inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to >>>>>> completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any >>>>>> demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems.
As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the
concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is
what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based
limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are
the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are
adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis
where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out
of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties
they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the
funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but
then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious
satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that,
by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool.
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military >>>> weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that >>>> somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays,
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used toThey make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
kill without regard to who is being killed.
My response involves why they are able to do this without either
question or twinge, apparently.
But why ask me? Ask the reflexively progressive people out there. Those >> same ones who think that parochial pride parades, where one group is
separated from the whole based on birth identity or self-identification,
ask them.
I start from the *personal assumption* that long-term static social stability that results in general civil content such that there isn't
fear to interact with other conforming members is extremely.
Anything that tends to deliver this I tend to support, and that which works against it I worry about--it is a threat to me and how I like to live.
I don't agree with a lot of American foreign policy, but I recognize the need for a national defense.
Seems silly as shit to me. Think of the hubris that drives members of a small distinct group--by their own definition--to think that having a public demonstration that displaces normal daily activity is just fine, everyone *should* like it and appreciate it. Frankly, they don't give a damn if it does--it's a way to enforce de facto recognition.Making separate months, separate demands for recognition based on group >> identity, is a poor idea at the best of times. This includes Irishmen, >> Italians, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc. The public celebrations ofI have no problem if people want to have Irish, Italian, VFW, gay parades.
national accomplishment, not based on small group identities, seem the >> most positive and least subject to abuse.
I still think they tend to be bullshit, but they're less divisive,
unless you bring division (aka attitude) with you.
It's like expecting the public school system to teach anything other
than a time-limited remediation period in a language other than English. In the case of my Mom, her folks thought it would be good for her to
learn the the old alphabet so as to be able to read Cyrillic. For my
wife, her folks thought it would be great to learn Japanese and to be
able to read hiragana, katakana, and kanji; it would please the grandparents.
Now neither group expected this to be taught and "celebrated" in the public school system, rightly recognizing that while people will express
a level of positive interest mostly as a social gesture, they really
don't care all that much, and should not be expected to pay for such instruction. So they paid for private specialized instruction by interested parties from the same cultural communities.
Really, this is about where the limit of celebration of distinct groups belong--within that community.
But I don't agree with you, it seems, that gay people must reject companies like Lockheed.No, not necessarily gay people, b. Those who reflexively support progressive social agendas. It seems like such folk have never met a
trend that's blessed by progressive spokespeople that they don't
instantly like.
Now, to tie back into what I first said when talking about good/evil, I see all of this as tremendously de-stabilizing of the majority in favor
of responding to one or more minorities--some quite small.
There is a sort of default expectancy that majority accommodates an increasing list of demands, while nor corresponding compromise is
expected of those making the demands. You give; we take.
This seldom ends well.
Many do, probably, so I get that it's a bit odd. But we live in an odd world :-)You're certainly right about that, b...
But I don't expect it to change in any way that I'd recognize asSawfish, I don't care about who marches to what drummer. I've got a lot of work to do.
positive, so that's that.
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 7:28:45 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:are now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On 6/14/23 4:44 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:13 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 1:42 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities"
Sawfish, I don't care about who marches to what drummer. I've got a lot of work to do.I don't tend to think in terms of good/evil. It's a different axis.OK. From "kill without regard to who is being killed" I concluded that you think Lockheed is evil.Of course not, b!Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, nor >>>>>> to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious >>>>>> satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that, >>>>>> by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool. >>>>>>Lockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical >>>>>>>> inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to >>>>>>>> completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any >>>>>>>> demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems. >>>>>>>> As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the
concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is >>>>>>>> what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based >>>>>>>> limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are >>>>>>>> the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are >>>>>>>> adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis >>>>>>>> where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out >>>>>>>> of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties >>>>>>>> they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the >>>>>>>> funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but >>>>>>>> then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military >>>>>> weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that
somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays, >>>>> Ice usually implies wrong things.
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used to >>>>>> kill without regard to who is being killed.They make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
My response involves why they are able to do this without either
question or twinge, apparently.
But why ask me? Ask the reflexively progressive people out there. Those >>>> same ones who think that parochial pride parades, where one group is
separated from the whole based on birth identity or self-identification, >>>> ask them.
I start from the *personal assumption* that long-term static social
stability that results in general civil content such that there isn't
fear to interact with other conforming members is extremely.
Anything that tends to deliver this I tend to support, and that which
works against it I worry about--it is a threat to me and how I like to live. >>> I don't agree with a lot of American foreign policy, but I recognize the need for a national defense.
small distinct group--by their own definition--to think that having a
Making separate months, separate demands for recognition based on group >>>> identity, is a poor idea at the best of times. This includes Irishmen, >>>> Italians, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc. The public celebrations ofI have no problem if people want to have Irish, Italian, VFW, gay parades. >> Seems silly as shit to me. Think of the hubris that drives members of a
national accomplishment, not based on small group identities, seem the >>>> most positive and least subject to abuse.
I still think they tend to be bullshit, but they're less divisive,
unless you bring division (aka attitude) with you.
public demonstration that displaces normal daily activity is just fine,
everyone *should* like it and appreciate it. Frankly, they don't give a
damn if it does--it's a way to enforce de facto recognition.
It's like expecting the public school system to teach anything other
than a time-limited remediation period in a language other than English.
In the case of my Mom, her folks thought it would be good for her to
learn the the old alphabet so as to be able to read Cyrillic. For my
wife, her folks thought it would be great to learn Japanese and to be
able to read hiragana, katakana, and kanji; it would please the
grandparents.
Now neither group expected this to be taught and "celebrated" in the
public school system, rightly recognizing that while people will express
a level of positive interest mostly as a social gesture, they really
don't care all that much, and should not be expected to pay for such
instruction. So they paid for private specialized instruction by
interested parties from the same cultural communities.
Really, this is about where the limit of celebration of distinct groups
belong--within that community.
But I don't agree with you, it seems, that gay people must reject companies like Lockheed.No, not necessarily gay people, b. Those who reflexively support
progressive social agendas. It seems like such folk have never met a
trend that's blessed by progressive spokespeople that they don't
instantly like.
Now, to tie back into what I first said when talking about good/evil, I
see all of this as tremendously de-stabilizing of the majority in favor
of responding to one or more minorities--some quite small.
There is a sort of default expectancy that majority accommodates an
increasing list of demands, while nor corresponding compromise is
expected of those making the demands. You give; we take.
This seldom ends well.
Many do, probably, so I get that it's a bit odd. But we live in an odd world :-)You're certainly right about that, b...
But I don't expect it to change in any way that I'd recognize as
positive, so that's that.
On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 4:26:24 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:are now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 7:28:45 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 4:44 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:13 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 1:42 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities"
But I did used to enjoy the PT Barnum Festival parade when I was a kid. Loved those Shriners in their little cars.Sawfish, I don't care about who marches to what drummer. I've got a lot of work to do.I don't tend to think in terms of good/evil. It's a different axis.OK. From "kill without regard to who is being killed" I concluded that you think Lockheed is evil.Of course not, b!Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, norLockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical
inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to >>>>>>>>> completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any >>>>>>>>> demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems.
As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the
concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is
what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based >>>>>>>>> limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are >>>>>>>>> the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are
adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis >>>>>>>>> where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out
of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties
they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends. >>>>>>>>>
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the
funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but
then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious >>>>>>> satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that, >>>>>>> by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool. >>>>>>>
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military >>>>>>> weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that >>>>>>> somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays, >>>>>> Ice usually implies wrong things.
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used toThey make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
kill without regard to who is being killed.
My response involves why they are able to do this without either >>>>>>> question or twinge, apparently.
But why ask me? Ask the reflexively progressive people out there. Those >>>>> same ones who think that parochial pride parades, where one group is >>>>> separated from the whole based on birth identity or self-identification, >>>>> ask them.
I start from the *personal assumption* that long-term static social
stability that results in general civil content such that there isn't
fear to interact with other conforming members is extremely.
Anything that tends to deliver this I tend to support, and that which
works against it I worry about--it is a threat to me and how I like to live.
I don't agree with a lot of American foreign policy, but I recognize the need for a national defense.small distinct group--by their own definition--to think that having a
Making separate months, separate demands for recognition based on group >>>>> identity, is a poor idea at the best of times. This includes Irishmen, >>>>> Italians, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc. The public celebrations ofI have no problem if people want to have Irish, Italian, VFW, gay parades. >>> Seems silly as shit to me. Think of the hubris that drives members of a
national accomplishment, not based on small group identities, seem the >>>>> most positive and least subject to abuse.
I still think they tend to be bullshit, but they're less divisive,
unless you bring division (aka attitude) with you.
public demonstration that displaces normal daily activity is just fine,
everyone *should* like it and appreciate it. Frankly, they don't give a
damn if it does--it's a way to enforce de facto recognition.
It's like expecting the public school system to teach anything other
than a time-limited remediation period in a language other than English. >>> In the case of my Mom, her folks thought it would be good for her to
learn the the old alphabet so as to be able to read Cyrillic. For my
wife, her folks thought it would be great to learn Japanese and to be
able to read hiragana, katakana, and kanji; it would please the
grandparents.
Now neither group expected this to be taught and "celebrated" in the
public school system, rightly recognizing that while people will express >>> a level of positive interest mostly as a social gesture, they really
don't care all that much, and should not be expected to pay for such
instruction. So they paid for private specialized instruction by
interested parties from the same cultural communities.
Really, this is about where the limit of celebration of distinct groups
belong--within that community.
But I don't agree with you, it seems, that gay people must reject companies like Lockheed.No, not necessarily gay people, b. Those who reflexively support
progressive social agendas. It seems like such folk have never met a
trend that's blessed by progressive spokespeople that they don't
instantly like.
Now, to tie back into what I first said when talking about good/evil, I
see all of this as tremendously de-stabilizing of the majority in favor
of responding to one or more minorities--some quite small.
There is a sort of default expectancy that majority accommodates an
increasing list of demands, while nor corresponding compromise is
expected of those making the demands. You give; we take.
This seldom ends well.
Many do, probably, so I get that it's a bit odd. But we live in an odd world :-)You're certainly right about that, b...
But I don't expect it to change in any way that I'd recognize as
positive, so that's that.
This way to the egress...
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 7:28:45 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:are now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On 6/14/23 4:44 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:13 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 1:42 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities"
I don't tend to think in terms of good/evil. It's a different axis.OK. From "kill without regard to who is being killed" I concluded that you think Lockheed is evil.Of course not, b!Ice usually implies wrong things.Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, norLockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical
inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to >>>>>> completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any >>>>>> demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems.
As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the
concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them.
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is
what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based
limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are
the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are
adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis
where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out
of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties
they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends.
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the
funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but
then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious
satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that,
by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool.
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military >>>> weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that >>>> somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays,
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used toThey make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
kill without regard to who is being killed.
My response involves why they are able to do this without either
question or twinge, apparently.
But why ask me? Ask the reflexively progressive people out there. Those >> same ones who think that parochial pride parades, where one group is
separated from the whole based on birth identity or self-identification,
ask them.
I start from the *personal assumption* that long-term static social stability that results in general civil content such that there isn't
fear to interact with other conforming members is extremely.
Anything that tends to deliver this I tend to support, and that which works against it I worry about--it is a threat to me and how I like to live.
I don't agree with a lot of American foreign policy, but I recognize the need for a national defense.
Seems silly as shit to me. Think of the hubris that drives members of a small distinct group--by their own definition--to think that having a public demonstration that displaces normal daily activity is just fine, everyone *should* like it and appreciate it. Frankly, they don't give a damn if it does--it's a way to enforce de facto recognition.Making separate months, separate demands for recognition based on group >> identity, is a poor idea at the best of times. This includes Irishmen, >> Italians, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc. The public celebrations ofI have no problem if people want to have Irish, Italian, VFW, gay parades.
national accomplishment, not based on small group identities, seem the >> most positive and least subject to abuse.
I still think they tend to be bullshit, but they're less divisive,
unless you bring division (aka attitude) with you.
It's like expecting the public school system to teach anything other
than a time-limited remediation period in a language other than English. In the case of my Mom, her folks thought it would be good for her to
learn the the old alphabet so as to be able to read Cyrillic. For my
wife, her folks thought it would be great to learn Japanese and to be
able to read hiragana, katakana, and kanji; it would please the grandparents.
Now neither group expected this to be taught and "celebrated" in the public school system, rightly recognizing that while people will express
a level of positive interest mostly as a social gesture, they really
don't care all that much, and should not be expected to pay for such instruction. So they paid for private specialized instruction by interested parties from the same cultural communities.
Really, this is about where the limit of celebration of distinct groups belong--within that community.
But I don't agree with you, it seems, that gay people must reject companies like Lockheed.No, not necessarily gay people, b. Those who reflexively support progressive social agendas. It seems like such folk have never met a
trend that's blessed by progressive spokespeople that they don't
instantly like.
Now, to tie back into what I first said when talking about good/evil, I see all of this as tremendously de-stabilizing of the majority in favor
of responding to one or more minorities--some quite small.
There is a sort of default expectancy that majority accommodates an increasing list of demands, while nor corresponding compromise is
expected of those making the demands. You give; we take.
This seldom ends well.
Many do, probably, so I get that it's a bit odd. But we live in an odd world :-)You're certainly right about that, b...
But I don't expect it to change in any way that I'd recognize asSawfish, I don't care about who marches to what drummer. I've got a lot of work to do.
positive, so that's that.
On 6/15/23 4:29 PM, bmoore wrote:are now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 4:26:24 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 7:28:45 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 4:44 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:13 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 1:42 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised communities"
But I did used to enjoy the PT Barnum Festival parade when I was a kid. Loved those Shriners in their little cars.Sawfish, I don't care about who marches to what drummer. I've got a lot of work to do.I don't tend to think in terms of good/evil. It's a different axis.OK. From "kill without regard to who is being killed" I concluded that you think Lockheed is evil.Of course not, b!Ice usually implies wrong things.Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, norIce, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical
inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to >>>>>>>>> completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any >>>>>>>>> demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems.
As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the
concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them. >>>>>>>>>
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is
what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based
limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are
the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are
adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis
where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out
of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties
they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends. >>>>>>>>>
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the
funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but
then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s. >>>>>>>> Lockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.
to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious
satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that,
by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool.
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military >>>>>>> weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that >>>>>>> somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays,
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used toThey make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
kill without regard to who is being killed.
My response involves why they are able to do this without either >>>>>>> question or twinge, apparently.
But why ask me? Ask the reflexively progressive people out there. Those
same ones who think that parochial pride parades, where one group is >>>>> separated from the whole based on birth identity or self-identification,
ask them.
I start from the *personal assumption* that long-term static social
stability that results in general civil content such that there isn't >>> fear to interact with other conforming members is extremely.
Anything that tends to deliver this I tend to support, and that which >>> works against it I worry about--it is a threat to me and how I like to live.
I don't agree with a lot of American foreign policy, but I recognize the need for a national defense.Seems silly as shit to me. Think of the hubris that drives members of a >>> small distinct group--by their own definition--to think that having a >>> public demonstration that displaces normal daily activity is just fine, >>> everyone *should* like it and appreciate it. Frankly, they don't give a >>> damn if it does--it's a way to enforce de facto recognition.
Making separate months, separate demands for recognition based on groupI have no problem if people want to have Irish, Italian, VFW, gay parades.
identity, is a poor idea at the best of times. This includes Irishmen, >>>>> Italians, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc. The public celebrations of >>>>> national accomplishment, not based on small group identities, seem the >>>>> most positive and least subject to abuse.
I still think they tend to be bullshit, but they're less divisive, >>>>> unless you bring division (aka attitude) with you.
It's like expecting the public school system to teach anything other
than a time-limited remediation period in a language other than English. >>> In the case of my Mom, her folks thought it would be good for her to
learn the the old alphabet so as to be able to read Cyrillic. For my
wife, her folks thought it would be great to learn Japanese and to be >>> able to read hiragana, katakana, and kanji; it would please the
grandparents.
Now neither group expected this to be taught and "celebrated" in the
public school system, rightly recognizing that while people will express >>> a level of positive interest mostly as a social gesture, they really
don't care all that much, and should not be expected to pay for such
instruction. So they paid for private specialized instruction by
interested parties from the same cultural communities.
Really, this is about where the limit of celebration of distinct groups >>> belong--within that community.
But I don't agree with you, it seems, that gay people must reject companies like Lockheed.No, not necessarily gay people, b. Those who reflexively support
progressive social agendas. It seems like such folk have never met a
trend that's blessed by progressive spokespeople that they don't
instantly like.
Now, to tie back into what I first said when talking about good/evil, I >>> see all of this as tremendously de-stabilizing of the majority in favor >>> of responding to one or more minorities--some quite small.
There is a sort of default expectancy that majority accommodates an
increasing list of demands, while nor corresponding compromise is
expected of those making the demands. You give; we take.
This seldom ends well.
Many do, probably, so I get that it's a bit odd. But we live in an odd world :-)You're certainly right about that, b...
But I don't expect it to change in any way that I'd recognize as
positive, so that's that.
This way to the egress...They were weird fuckers, no two ways about it. With hindsight, hard to
see how they could have ever been taken seriously, by anyone. But times change: they were considered respected members of local society.
The best display I ever saw was in Orange County, maybe Santa Ana, back
in the late 60s, when it was still mostly white and a bastion of
old-school McCarthy/Goldwater conservatism. Went to a big outdoor
pancake breakfast, too.
On Friday, 16 June 2023 at 00:26:24 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:communities" are now sponspored by the world's biggest defence contractor worth $117BILLION who makes weapons to bomb kids around the world! HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAAHHA HAHAHAHA AHHHAHHAH
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 7:28:45 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 4:44 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:13 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 6/14/23 1:42 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>> On 6/14/23 11:37 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 6/14/23 5:55 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals went marching in Washington DC in a big woke rainbow parade that was sponsored by and with lots of adverts for Lockheed Martin! HAHAHAHA yeah these "marginalised
I don't tend to think in terms of good/evil. It's a different axis.OK. From "kill without regard to who is being killed" I concluded that you think Lockheed is evil.Of course not, b!Ice usually implies wrong things.Maybe I didn't make this clear, but my comment referred not to gays, norLockheed supports this because they have gay employees, like many tech and other companies do.Ice, old friend, you expecting too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgUUZ2hEdk&t=27s
This generation, like no other, has absolutely no problem with logical
inconsistencies of all kinds. They have the God-given talent to >>>>>> completely forget, or otherwise wipe from their consciousness, any
demonstrable facts that conflict with their heart-felt belief systems.
As with civics classes in school, they were also never taught about the
concept of hypocrisy, and hence it has no meaning for them. >>>>>>
Literally, they can suspend the laws of physics, if necessary. This is
what happens where they seem to completely ignore that physics-based
limitations on electrical storage batteries in cold weather. They are
the kind who will cheerfully buy an over-priced e-car before there are
adequate recharging strategies, in places like Denver or Minneapolis
where the battery will hold a greatly reduced charge for 4+ months out
of the year.
And here's their work-around: they'll have a second car that is internal
combustion. It will be used probably > 50% of the time. But at parties
they'll only mention the e-car to their like-minded friends. >>>>>>
These are the ones who would cheerfully, optimistically march into the
funnel at Auschwitz. No mid-20th C Jew was dumb enough to do this, but
then these folks aren't Jews and this isn't the mid-1900s.
to Lockheed, but to all of the others who look with apparent vicarious
satisfaction on such things as pride parades and might even think that,
by association, Lockheed is somehow woke and enlightened ad yes, cool.
Iceberg notes that this enlightened company makes and sells military
weapons that kill indiscriminately, and implies that somehow that >>>> somehow all those who feel satisfaction that Lockheed recognizes gays,
I didn't say that, either.
Ice and Twistis are not in any way reliable posters. Certainly not on topics like this.
etc. fail to note that this same Lockheed sells weapons that are used toThey make bombs, sure. Nasty stuff. But isn't it more complicated than that? Are all uses of lethal weapons wrong?
kill without regard to who is being killed.
My response involves why they are able to do this without either >>>> question or twinge, apparently.
But why ask me? Ask the reflexively progressive people out there. Those
same ones who think that parochial pride parades, where one group is >> separated from the whole based on birth identity or self-identification,
ask them.
I start from the *personal assumption* that long-term static social stability that results in general civil content such that there isn't fear to interact with other conforming members is extremely.
Anything that tends to deliver this I tend to support, and that which works against it I worry about--it is a threat to me and how I like to live.
I don't agree with a lot of American foreign policy, but I recognize the need for a national defense.
Seems silly as shit to me. Think of the hubris that drives members of a small distinct group--by their own definition--to think that having a public demonstration that displaces normal daily activity is just fine, everyone *should* like it and appreciate it. Frankly, they don't give a damn if it does--it's a way to enforce de facto recognition.Making separate months, separate demands for recognition based on groupI have no problem if people want to have Irish, Italian, VFW, gay parades.
identity, is a poor idea at the best of times. This includes Irishmen,
Italians, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc. The public celebrations of >> national accomplishment, not based on small group identities, seem the
most positive and least subject to abuse.
I still think they tend to be bullshit, but they're less divisive,
unless you bring division (aka attitude) with you.
It's like expecting the public school system to teach anything other than a time-limited remediation period in a language other than English. In the case of my Mom, her folks thought it would be good for her to learn the the old alphabet so as to be able to read Cyrillic. For my wife, her folks thought it would be great to learn Japanese and to be able to read hiragana, katakana, and kanji; it would please the grandparents.
Now neither group expected this to be taught and "celebrated" in the public school system, rightly recognizing that while people will express a level of positive interest mostly as a social gesture, they really don't care all that much, and should not be expected to pay for such instruction. So they paid for private specialized instruction by interested parties from the same cultural communities.
Really, this is about where the limit of celebration of distinct groups belong--within that community.
But I don't agree with you, it seems, that gay people must reject companies like Lockheed.No, not necessarily gay people, b. Those who reflexively support progressive social agendas. It seems like such folk have never met a trend that's blessed by progressive spokespeople that they don't instantly like.
Now, to tie back into what I first said when talking about good/evil, I see all of this as tremendously de-stabilizing of the majority in favor of responding to one or more minorities--some quite small.
There is a sort of default expectancy that majority accommodates an increasing list of demands, while nor corresponding compromise is expected of those making the demands. You give; we take.
This seldom ends well.
Many do, probably, so I get that it's a bit odd. But we live in an odd world :-)You're certainly right about that, b...
it pretty obvious you work for one of those giant defence companies that make bombs, missiles, guns etc.But I don't expect it to change in any way that I'd recognize as positive, so that's that.Sawfish, I don't care about who marches to what drummer. I've got a lot of work to do.
This too funny, all bruce bowser and Pelle's gay/trans/Marxist pals
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