It's undeniable at this point, I think.

Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.

Heck, when Joker won his first slam, Sampras was still the slam leader,
hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a half!

Tremendous achievement by Joker.

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stephenj <sjork@pr.net> wrote:

It's undeniable at this point, I think.

Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.

Heck, when Joker won his first slam, Sampras was still the slam leader,
hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a half!

Tremendous achievement by Joker.

I agree with everything you said. Djoker's achievements
are staggering. Even without this Roland Garros 2023 title,
Djoker would be the greatest in my book.

I guess the only thing he is missing is Olympic gold medal
in singles. Sigh... To be honest, I do not respect Olympic
tennis very much at all, and would prefer that professional
tennis events were limited to ATP/ITF only.

There are so many tennis tournaments already, and in
my opinion the Grand Slams are greatest events in this
fine sport. No need for Olympic tennis.

br,
KK

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On 6/11/2023 1:58 PM, stephenj wrote:

It's undeniable at this point, I think.

Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.

Heck, when Joker won his first slam, Sampras was still the slam leader,
hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a half!

Tremendous achievement by Joker.

I agree 100% with this post.
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On 6/11/2023 2:38 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

stephenj <sjork@pr.net> wrote:

It's undeniable at this point, I think.

Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year
journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.

Heck, when Joker won his first slam, Sampras was still the slam leader,
hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a half!

Tremendous achievement by Joker.

I agree with everything you said. Djoker's achievements
are staggering. Even without this Roland Garros 2023 title,
Djoker would be the greatest in my book.

I guess the only thing he is missing is Olympic gold medal
in singles. Sigh... To be honest, I do not respect Olympic
tennis very much at all, and would prefer that professional
tennis events were limited to ATP/ITF only.

There are so many tennis tournaments already, and in
my opinion the Grand Slams are greatest events in this
fine sport. No need for Olympic tennis.

br,
KK

Novak Djokovic trying to win the Olympic gold medal (i.e. golden slam)
in 2021 (at Japan!) probably was the reason for him running out of
energy at the US Open Final and completing a Grand Slam, like Laver did twice...
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On 6/11/2023 1:58 PM, stephenj wrote:> It's undeniable at this point, I think.> > Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year > journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.> > Heck, when Joker won his first

slam, Sampras was still the slam leader, > hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a half!> > Tremendous achievement by Joker.I agree 100% with this post.-- ---------------Scall5



I'm most amazed by the fact that he's won a record career grand slam, triple one, the only man ever.

And he's done it while playing in big 3 era, but also an era of the most dominant single slam champion, and he's managed to win 3 even there, achieving record career grand slam.

That's amazing...



Djokovic has beaten Nadal more times at FO than the entire tennis field has done combined. (2-Djokovic, 1-field)

And he's won more FO titles than the entire field combined since the day Nadal started winning FO. (3-Djokovic, 2-field)


Clearly the #2 claycourter of this era. Lol







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On 12.6.2023 4.17, Scall5 wrote:

On 6/11/2023 2:38 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

stephenj <sjork@pr.net> wrote:

It's undeniable at this point, I think.

Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year >>> journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.

Heck, when Joker won his first slam, Sampras was still the slam leader,
hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a
half!

Tremendous achievement by Joker.

I agree with everything you said. Djoker's achievements
are staggering. Even without this Roland Garros 2023 title,
Djoker would be the greatest in my book.

I guess the only thing he is missing is Olympic gold medal
in singles. Sigh... To be honest, I do not respect Olympic
tennis very much at all, and would prefer that professional
tennis events were limited to ATP/ITF only.

There are so many tennis tournaments already, and in
my opinion the Grand Slams are greatest events in this
fine sport. No need for Olympic tennis.

br,
KK

Novak Djokovic trying to win the Olympic gold medal (i.e. golden slam)
in 2021 (at Japan!) probably was the reason for him running out of
energy at the US Open Final and completing a Grand Slam, like Laver did twice...

Yes. That was a misjudgement. You can't play them all. But Djok did
chjok during the whole of the USO too. It was terrible to watch.
Although hopes were high, the ending was all too predictable.

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On 12/06/2023 5:38 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

stephenj <sjork@pr.net> wrote:

It's undeniable at this point, I think.

Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year
journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.

Heck, when Joker won his first slam, Sampras was still the slam leader,
hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a half!

Tremendous achievement by Joker.

I agree with everything you said. Djoker's achievements
are staggering. Even without this Roland Garros 2023 title,
Djoker would be the greatest in my book.

It's much easier to argue with the numbers locked in. 23 was very
important for Novak, never seen him smile so much. Margaret Court's
stature would be a lot lower with 23 slams, the 24 is a huge deal when
it's the record.

I guess the only thing he is missing is Olympic gold medal
in singles. Sigh... To be honest, I do not respect Olympic
tennis very much at all, and would prefer that professional
tennis events were limited to ATP/ITF only.

There are so many tennis tournaments already, and in
my opinion the Grand Slams are greatest events in this
fine sport. No need for Olympic tennis.

br,
KK

Olympics is a big deal because all the players and fans think it is.
Who doesn't want a gold medal?

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On 12/06/2023 4:58 am, stephenj wrote:

It's undeniable at this point, I think.

Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.

Heck, when Joker won his first slam, Sampras was still the slam leader,
hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a half!

Tremendous achievement by Joker.

Yeah it's hard to believe how good he is not only technically but
mentally. He basically sat on the sidelines watching Rafa get to 22
slams, but then immediately won the next 3 slams he entered to go past
him.

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

It's much easier to argue with the numbers locked in. 23 was very
important for Novak, never seen him smile so much. Margaret Court's
stature would be a lot lower with 23 slams, the 24 is a huge deal when
it's the record.

Of course, but even before the 23rd victory, Djoker was
already at the top, tied with Nadal. So the next thing
you want to compare is the next most important tournaments
and likely the ATP rankings. For example:

1) ATP Championships or whatever at the end of year. If I
remember right, Djoker has 6 victories while Nadal has
none (been in one final where he lost).

2) ATP1000 Masters. Well, Djoker has won each of them
at least twice. I don't think Federer or Nadal can
match that, can they?

3) ATP Rankings. Djoker has been #1 for something like
370 weeks. That is better than anyone else, including
men and women.

Despite those stats, I fully agree that #23 was very important
for Djoker. It goes without saying that he does not
want to share his records with anyone.

I guess the only thing he is missing is Olympic gold medal
in singles. Sigh... To be honest, I do not respect Olympic
tennis very much at all, and would prefer that professional
tennis events were limited to ATP/ITF only.

There are so many tennis tournaments already, and in
my opinion the Grand Slams are greatest events in this
fine sport. No need for Olympic tennis.

Olympics is a big deal because all the players and fans think it is.
Who doesn't want a gold medal?

Well, not everybody is so excited about it. The Olympic committee
is also so damn corrupted that it hurts... Just like FIFA in soccer.
I don't care about the Olympic games anymore and that extends
to all sports in them, not just tennis.

If you love the Olympics, feel free to do so, I am not going
argue against it. Just pointing out that your feeling is not
shared among all players and fans.

br,
KK

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On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 5:49:41 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:

On 12/06/2023 4:58 am, stephenj wrote:

It's undeniable at this point, I think.

Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.

Heck, when Joker won his first slam, Sampras was still the slam leader, hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a half!

Tremendous achievement by Joker.

Yeah it's hard to believe how good he is not only technically but
mentally. He basically sat on the sidelines watching Rafa get to 22
slams, but then immediately won the next 3 slams he entered to go past
him.

He must be a vicious task master to work for demanding perfection to an impossible degree.

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On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 01:57:47 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 5:49:41 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:

On 12/06/2023 4:58 am, stephenj wrote:

It's undeniable at this point, I think.

Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.

Heck, when Joker won his first slam, Sampras was still the slam leader, hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a half!

Tremendous achievement by Joker.

Yeah it's hard to believe how good he is not only technically but mentally. He basically sat on the sidelines watching Rafa get to 22
slams, but then immediately won the next 3 slams he entered to go past him.

He must be a vicious task master to work for demanding perfection to an impossible degree.

come on, you've got to blame the other younger players for being lazy snowflakes too. Ruud and Alcaraz are the only ones who have an excuse, Ruud cos he's worked as hard as he can(unlike the rest) but is a bit too small to beat Djoker and Alcaraz cos
winning the FO is clearly a YUGE deal to him cos of comparisons to Nadal etc and hopefully as Whisper says he'll use this to win next time. Kachanov should've taken out Djoker but flaked it for the 10th time.

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On 12/06/2023 10:49, Whisper wrote:

On 12/06/2023 4:58 am, stephenj wrote:

It's undeniable at this point, I think.

Joker won his first slam title on January 27, 2008, so it was a 15+ year journey to overtake Federer and Nadal and reach the pinnacle.

Heck, when Joker won his first slam, Sampras was still the slam leader, hence GOAT. Federer wouldn't pass him for almost another year and a half!

Tremendous achievement by Joker.

Yeah it's hard to believe how good he is not only technically but mentally.  He basically sat on the sidelines watching Rafa get to 22 slams, but then immediately won the next 3 slams he entered to go past him.

It was a canon event.

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