On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote:
https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/
Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure you can't rule out even 30,
but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd
say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and
next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.
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On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote:
https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/
Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure you can't rule out even 30,
but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd
say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and
next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > > https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sureyou can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should
In the future, there will be some guy as
good or better than Djokovic, but without rivals
like Federer and Nadal, and he could maybe
win 35-40 Grand Slams.
[-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: UTF-8, 50 lines --]you can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should
No Buyout <nobuyout@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > > https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure
Nope.
When Djokovic says he thanks Federer and Nadal for making him the way he is, and when Nadal was saying that about Federer and vice-versa earlier, they mean it.
Without them, without each other, those guys would not reach those heights imo. Surely they would also lack motivation to an extent.
It's one thing to go after some archaic record from history books, and quite another thing to have a real rival in front of you fighting together with you for the records.
Sampras didn't even know who William Renshaw was, and luckily he knew Emerson. But he was done in his mind. Serena also lacked rivals mid-career and instead of chasing records, she explored fashion.
So a lone wolf type (Sampras, Serena, Willis Moody, Court) might appear, but I sincerely doubt they could last long enough without the push from their rivals.
And the push of this sort, the big 3 era, and frankly big 4 with Murray, what we had, that will surely never be repeated.
It's just statistically unrealistic.
No Buyout <nobu...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:ryou can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > > https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure
Nope.
When Djokovic says he thanks Federer and Nadal for making him the way he is, and when Nadal was saying that about Federer and vice-versa earlier, they mean it.
Without them, without each other, those guys would not reach those heights imo. Surely they would also lack motivation to an extent.
It's one thing to go after some archaic record from history books, and quite another thing to have a real rival in front of you fighting together with you for the records.
Sampras didn't even know who William Renshaw was, and luckily he knew Emerson. But he was done in his mind. Serena also lacked rivals mid-career and instead of chasing records, she explored fashion.
So a lone wolf type (Sampras, Serena, Willis Moody, Court) might appear, but I sincerely doubt they could last long enough without the push from their rivals.
And the push of this sort, the big 3 era, and frankly big 4 with Murray, what we had, that will surely never be repeated.
It's just statistically unrealistic.
It is not impossible. The record for gold medals was 9,
and then Michael Phelps destroyed that record with 23 golds.
And the Olympics only takes place every 4 years. OK, so in
swimming it was possible for him to win 8 golds in one year,
so you could look at it as him winning 4 gold medals every
2 years, whereas a tennis player could win 4 Grand Slams
every 1 year.
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:there will be some guy as good or better than Djokovic, but without rivals like Federer and Nadal, and he could maybe win 35-40 Grand Slams.
On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote:
https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/
Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure you can't rule out even 30,
but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd
say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and
next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.
He should definitely go for 30 if he can. Fed, Nadal, and Djoker were each unfortunate to play in an era with the other 2 guys. If there weren't the other 2 guys, Djokovic could have 30 Grand Slams right now, and maybe retire with 35. In the future,
No Buyout <nobuyout@gmail.com> Wrote in message:ryou can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > > https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure
Nope.
When Djokovic says he thanks Federer and Nadal for making him the way he is, and when Nadal was saying that about Federer and vice-versa earlier, they mean it.
Without them, without each other, those guys would not reach those heights imo. Surely they would also lack motivation to an extent.
It's one thing to go after some archaic record from history books, and quite another thing to have a real rival in front of you fighting together with you for the records.
Sampras didn't even know who William Renshaw was, and luckily he knew Emerson. But he was done in his mind. Serena also lacked rivals mid-career and instead of chasing records, she explored fashion.
So a lone wolf type (Sampras, Serena, Willis Moody, Court) might appear, but I sincerely doubt they could last long enough without the push from their rivals.
And the push of this sort, the big 3 era, and frankly big 4 with Murray, what we had, that will surely never be repeated.
It's just statistically unrealistic.
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:37:25 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:you can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should
No Buyout <nobu...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > > https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure
look at it as him winning 4 gold medals every 2 years, whereas a tennis player could win 4 Grand Slams every 1 year.
Nope.
When Djokovic says he thanks Federer and Nadal for making him the way he is, and when Nadal was saying that about Federer and vice-versa earlier, they mean it.
Without them, without each other, those guys would not reach those heights imo. Surely they would also lack motivation to an extent.
It's one thing to go after some archaic record from history books, and quite another thing to have a real rival in front of you fighting together with you for the records.
Sampras didn't even know who William Renshaw was, and luckily he knew Emerson. But he was done in his mind. Serena also lacked rivals mid-career and instead of chasing records, she explored fashion.
So a lone wolf type (Sampras, Serena, Willis Moody, Court) might appear, but I sincerely doubt they could last long enough without the push from their rivals.
And the push of this sort, the big 3 era, and frankly big 4 with Murray, what we had, that will surely never be repeated.
It's just statistically unrealistic.
It is not impossible. The record for gold medals was 9, and then Michael Phelps destroyed that record with 23 golds. And the Olympics only takes place every 4 years. OK, so in swimming it was possible for him to win 8 golds in one year, so you could
On 6/11/2023 11:30 PM, No Buyout wrote:Sure you can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:37:25 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
No Buyout <nobu...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > > https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting.
look at it as him winning 4 gold medals every 2 years, whereas a tennis player could win 4 Grand Slams every 1 year.
Nope.
When Djokovic says he thanks Federer and Nadal for making him the way he is, and when Nadal was saying that about Federer and vice-versa earlier, they mean it.
Without them, without each other, those guys would not reach those heights imo. Surely they would also lack motivation to an extent.
It's one thing to go after some archaic record from history books, and quite another thing to have a real rival in front of you fighting together with you for the records.
Sampras didn't even know who William Renshaw was, and luckily he knew Emerson. But he was done in his mind. Serena also lacked rivals mid-career and instead of chasing records, she explored fashion.
So a lone wolf type (Sampras, Serena, Willis Moody, Court) might appear, but I sincerely doubt they could last long enough without the push from their rivals.
And the push of this sort, the big 3 era, and frankly big 4 with Murray, what we had, that will surely never be repeated.
It's just statistically unrealistic.
It is not impossible. The record for gold medals was 9, and then Michael Phelps destroyed that record with 23 golds. And the Olympics only takes place every 4 years. OK, so in swimming it was possible for him to win 8 golds in one year, so you could
What Novak did is way beyond anything Phelps did...way beyond
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 3:17:29 AM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote:
https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/
Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure you can't rule out even 30,
but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd
say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and
next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.
Alcaraz was getting on top Djokovic in the semi but I think he may have over exerted himself over the
first two sets to cause him to cramp, cramping is not usual for Alcaraz.
On 11.6.2023 19.39, Ocean Naught wrote:
https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/
"I published an article at the end of 2020 making an analytical case for Djoker as the GOAT. At the time he had 17 Slams, but the argument for
his greatness extends beyond pure Slam count with him having the highest
peak performance of the Big 3, the most longevity, the best head-to-head record, and the most versatility across surfaces".
That's pretty much how I see it. I'm not much of a slam cunt at all. The
23 is great and all that, but at the end of the day
its value for me is that it makes the slam count coincide with the above.
If somebody has to be the GOAT and has to have the count to show for it, Novak's the guy. The 23 belongs to him, so congrats.
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:there will be some guy as good or better than Djokovic, but without rivals like Federer and Nadal, and he could maybe win 35-40 Grand Slams.
On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote:
https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/
Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure you can't rule out even 30,
but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd
say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and
next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.
He should definitely go for 30 if he can. Fed, Nadal, and Djoker were each unfortunate to play in an era with the other 2 guys. If there weren't the other 2 guys, Djokovic could have 30 Grand Slams right now, and maybe retire with 35. In >the future,
No Buyout <nobuyout@gmail.com> wrote:
In the future, there will be some guy as
good or better than Djokovic, but without rivals
like Federer and Nadal, and he could maybe
win 35-40 Grand Slams.
I do not believe that at all. I think the general
level of men's Top 100, or even Top 150, is now
amazingly high. It is getting harder and harder
to achieve dominance among this big crowd of
very talented players.
It is the same in men's doubles now, there are so
many great teams that compete against each other,
sometimes winning, sometimes losing, but they
are not able to win 20 Grand Slam titles. Perhaps
not even 10 is feasible nowadays.
As long as the money prizes are big and the sport
of tennis is well respected, there will be lots
of great players who want to make it to the top.
On the other hand, if something radical happens
in the forthcoming centuries and tennis loses
its prestigous position, then maybe it might
no longer attract so many great athletes, and
a few top player could then dominate.
As far as I see it, the Big Three has
served as a Big Inspiration for so many players,
showing them what superb quality tennis can be.
I am not sure whether the standard of play
will remain this high in the future, but
I expect that the players would always be
pretty much equal in their skill level, no?
One commentator on Eurosport (a former British
tennis player, a man I did not recognize based
on his voice but I know he was not Andy Murray)
said it well during some match:
"We have been through a freak period of time"
When Pete Sampras quit, the tennis elite was
pretty much agreed on that his records would
hold for a very long time. Not one tennis
expert could have predicted what would happen
in the near future.
The emergence of Federer, Djokovic and Nadal has
been something of a miracle in tennis history.
It is really an insane incident that had to be
witnessed to be believed!
So when we see Novak Djokovic winning his 23rd
Grand Slam title today, adding up to his
incredible set of tennis records, it is just
one more crazy episode of this "freak period of
time" that we are living.
It is by no means normal, and I cannot believe
that someone would win 35-40 Grand Slam
singles titles, ever.
br,
KK
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:you can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should
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No Buyout <nobuyout@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > > https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure
Nope.
When Djokovic says he thanks Federer and Nadal for making him the way he is, and when Nadal was saying that about Federer and vice-versa earlier, they mean it.
Without them, without each other, those guys would not reach those heights imo. Surely they would also lack motivation to an extent.
It's one thing to go after some archaic record from history books, and quite another thing to have a real rival in front of you fighting together with you for the records.
Sampras didn't even know who William Renshaw was, and luckily he knew Emerson. But he was done in his mind. Serena also lacked rivals mid-career and instead of chasing records, she explored fashion.
So a lone wolf type (Sampras, Serena, Willis Moody, Court) might appear, but I sincerely doubt they could last long enough without the push from their rivals.
And the push of this sort, the big 3 era, and frankly big 4 with Murray, what we had, that will surely never be repeated.
It's just statistically unrealistic.
I believe this analysis in 100% correct. What we have witnessed is
something totally crazy that should not have happened. But
somehow it did.
The tennis fans who lived during this amazing period of time (which
is still not over as Djoker continues to impress!) can consider
themselves extremely lucky.
br,
KK
On 11/06/2023 18:35, jlia...@gmail.com wrote:moves around, even when he's exhausted, and compared to Carlitos is a huge difference. I've never seen this from Carlos, and Novak exposed a weakness in him.
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 3:17:29 AM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote:
https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/
Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure you can't rule out even 30,
but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd
say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and
next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.
Alcaraz was getting on top Djokovic in the semi but I think he may have over exerted himself over theCommentating on the match for Eurosport, three-time Roland Garros champion Mats Wilander said Alcaraz's style of play means he expends more energy than Djokovic. "It was caused by Novak, only by Novak," Wilander said. "The difference between how Novak
first two sets to cause him to cramp, cramping is not usual for Alcaraz.
"I think there was tension and stress, for sure. I haven't heard him cramping before; I can't imagine he's not had a great preparation, so I think there was stress, for sure.might not read the game as well and has taken way more steps."
"Carlos Alcaraz ran an average of 20 meters up to his cramping part," he said. "They played 155 points, that's 3,000 meters, that's 30 x 100-meter sprints in two hours. He's not walking; he's sprinting for everything. Novak is smoother, and Carlos
https://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/story/_/id/37826593/what-went-wrong-carlos-alcaraz-french-openmeans better hydration, or not playing with quite as much reckless abandon. But nerves aren’t an easy thing to tame, and the best remedy may just be experience.
This isn’t Alcaraz’s first bout with cramps. He had them against Stefanos Tsitsipas at the US Open in 2021 (a match he won), and against Jannik Sinner earlier this year in Miami (a match he lost). He says he’ll try to learn from it. Maybe that
That’s something Djokovic obviously has a wealth of, and he showed his mastery of marathon-style tennis yet again on Friday. Even if Alcaraz had remained healthy, Djokovic wasn’t going anywhere. Before this match, I gave Djokovic the edge inintangibles, and Alcaraz the edge in shot-making. But through two sets, the Serb showed that he still has plenty of magic, and pop, left in his racquet. That, rather than his veteran status, is what he credited for this win.
https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/carlos-alcaraz-novak-djokovic-roland-garros-french-open-semifinal-2023My opinion is that guys like Alcaraz and Rune have massive legs (compared to the rest of their body) and that provide acceleration and power but large muscles tend to consume energy&nutrients and take a lot longer to get replenished back to the levels
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 1:23:38 AM UTC-4, RzR wrote:Sure you can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should
On 6/11/2023 11:30 PM, No Buyout wrote:
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:37:25 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
No Buyout <nobu...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > > https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting.
look at it as him winning 4 gold medals every 2 years, whereas a tennis player could win 4 Grand Slams every 1 year.It is not impossible. The record for gold medals was 9, and then Michael Phelps destroyed that record with 23 golds. And the Olympics only takes place every 4 years. OK, so in swimming it was possible for him to win 8 golds in one year, so you could
Nope.
When Djokovic says he thanks Federer and Nadal for making him the way he is, and when Nadal was saying that about Federer and vice-versa earlier, they mean it.
Without them, without each other, those guys would not reach those heights imo. Surely they would also lack motivation to an extent.
It's one thing to go after some archaic record from history books, and quite another thing to have a real rival in front of you fighting together with you for the records.
Sampras didn't even know who William Renshaw was, and luckily he knew Emerson. But he was done in his mind. Serena also lacked rivals mid-career and instead of chasing records, she explored fashion.
So a lone wolf type (Sampras, Serena, Willis Moody, Court) might appear, but I sincerely doubt they could last long enough without the push from their rivals.
And the push of this sort, the big 3 era, and frankly big 4 with Murray, what we had, that will surely never be repeated.
It's just statistically unrealistic.
In 2008, Phelps won golds in all 8 events he entered. You can talk if Novak wins the Calendar Grand Slam this year.What Novak did is way beyond anything Phelps did...way beyond
On 6/11/23 11:33 PM, No Buyout wrote:Sure you can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 1:23:38 AM UTC-4, RzR wrote:
On 6/11/2023 11:30 PM, No Buyout wrote:
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:37:25 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
No Buyout <nobu...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > > https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting.
could look at it as him winning 4 gold medals every 2 years, whereas a tennis player could win 4 Grand Slams every 1 year.It is not impossible. The record for gold medals was 9, and then Michael Phelps destroyed that record with 23 golds. And the Olympics only takes place every 4 years. OK, so in swimming it was possible for him to win 8 golds in one year, so you
Nope.
When Djokovic says he thanks Federer and Nadal for making him the way he is, and when Nadal was saying that about Federer and vice-versa earlier, they mean it.
Without them, without each other, those guys would not reach those heights imo. Surely they would also lack motivation to an extent.
It's one thing to go after some archaic record from history books, and quite another thing to have a real rival in front of you fighting together with you for the records.
Sampras didn't even know who William Renshaw was, and luckily he knew Emerson. But he was done in his mind. Serena also lacked rivals mid-career and instead of chasing records, she explored fashion.
So a lone wolf type (Sampras, Serena, Willis Moody, Court) might appear, but I sincerely doubt they could last long enough without the push from their rivals.
And the push of this sort, the big 3 era, and frankly big 4 with Murray, what we had, that will surely never be repeated.
It's just statistically unrealistic.
I agree 100%.In 2008, Phelps won golds in all 8 events he entered. You can talk if Novak wins the Calendar Grand Slam this year.What Novak did is way beyond anything Phelps did...way beyond
We can't start talking about GOAT for Djokovich until he has won some Olympic gold in swimming.
It's so obvious that I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet...
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 9:45:14 AM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:Sure you can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say. I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should
On 6/11/23 11:33 PM, No Buyout wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 1:23:38 AM UTC-4, RzR wrote:
On 6/11/2023 11:30 PM, No Buyout wrote:
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:37:25 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
No Buyout <nobu...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > > https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting.
could look at it as him winning 4 gold medals every 2 years, whereas a tennis player could win 4 Grand Slams every 1 year.It is not impossible. The record for gold medals was 9, and then Michael Phelps destroyed that record with 23 golds. And the Olympics only takes place every 4 years. OK, so in swimming it was possible for him to win 8 golds in one year, so you
Nope.
When Djokovic says he thanks Federer and Nadal for making him the way he is, and when Nadal was saying that about Federer and vice-versa earlier, they mean it.
Without them, without each other, those guys would not reach those heights imo. Surely they would also lack motivation to an extent.
It's one thing to go after some archaic record from history books, and quite another thing to have a real rival in front of you fighting together with you for the records.
Sampras didn't even know who William Renshaw was, and luckily he knew Emerson. But he was done in his mind. Serena also lacked rivals mid-career and instead of chasing records, she explored fashion.
So a lone wolf type (Sampras, Serena, Willis Moody, Court) might appear, but I sincerely doubt they could last long enough without the push from their rivals.
And the push of this sort, the big 3 era, and frankly big 4 with Murray, what we had, that will surely never be repeated.
It's just statistically unrealistic.
has only 1 more Slam (4% more) than the second place person, and only 3 more Slams (15% more) than the third place person. Phelps has 23 golds, which is 155% more than the second place swimmer (9 golds).Not sure you are following. Djokovic is the GOAT in tennis for sure in my mind. The only man to win all 4 Slams at least three times.I agree 100%.In 2008, Phelps won golds in all 8 events he entered. You can talk if Novak wins the Calendar Grand Slam this year.What Novak did is way beyond anything Phelps did...way beyond
We can't start talking about GOAT for Djokovich until he has won some
Olympic gold in swimming.
It's so obvious that I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet...
But his accomplishments aren't quite as impressive as what Phelps did. Djokovic has done something amazing, but at the same time it's not that amazing since 2 other players have almost accomplished what he has accomplished. After winning 23 Slams, he
On 6/13/23 12:22 AM, No Buyout wrote:I still think Alcaraz would have won the semi if no cramps, and > next yr Novak will be older and slower, and less motivated too.He should definitely go for 30 if he can. Fed, Nadal, and Djoker were each unfortunate to play in an era with the other 2
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On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:17:29 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On >>>>>>>> 12/06/2023 2:39 am, Ocean Naught wrote: > >
https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2023/02/how-many-more-grand-slams-will-novak-djokovic-win/ > > > Who knows, but 25 would be fitting. Sure you can't rule out even 30, > but I think FO will be very tough going forward, no more for him I'd > say.
Just to be sure we're comparing apples to apples, how many of Phelps'Not sure you are following. Djokovic is the GOAT in tennis for sure inI agree 100%.In 2008, Phelps won golds in all 8 events he entered. You can talkWhat Novak did is way beyond anything Phelps did...way beyondIt is not impossible. The record for gold medals was 9, and then
Nope.
When Djokovic says he thanks Federer and Nadal for making him the >>>>>>> way he is, and when Nadal was saying that about Federer and
vice-versa earlier, they mean it.
Without them, without each other, those guys would not reach
those heights imo. Surely they would also lack motivation to an
extent.
It's one thing to go after some archaic record from history
books, and quite another thing to have a real rival in front of
you fighting together with you for the records.
Sampras didn't even know who William Renshaw was, and luckily he >>>>>>> knew Emerson. But he was done in his mind. Serena also lacked
rivals mid-career and instead of chasing records, she explored
fashion.
So a lone wolf type (Sampras, Serena, Willis Moody, Court) might >>>>>>> appear, but I sincerely doubt they could last long enough without >>>>>>> the push from their rivals.
And the push of this sort, the big 3 era, and frankly big 4 with >>>>>>> Murray, what we had, that will surely never be repeated.
It's just statistically unrealistic.
Michael Phelps destroyed that record with 23 golds. And the
Olympics only takes place every 4 years. OK, so in swimming it was >>>>>> possible for him to win 8 golds in one year, so you could look at
it as him winning 4 gold medals every 2 years, whereas a tennis
player could win 4 Grand Slams every 1 year.
if Novak wins the Calendar Grand Slam this year.
We can't start talking about GOAT for Djokovich until he has won some
Olympic gold in swimming.
It's so obvious that I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet...
my mind. The only man to win all 4 Slams at least three times.
But his accomplishments aren't quite as impressive as what Phelps did.
Djokovic has done something amazing, but at the same time it's not
that amazing since 2 other players have almost accomplished what he
has accomplished. After winning 23 Slams, he has only 1 more Slam (4%
more) than the second place person, and only 3 more Slams (15% more)
than the third place person. Phelps has 23 golds, which is 155% more
than the second place swimmer (9 golds).
Olympic gold medals were for *individual* events?
has only 1 more Slam (4% more) than the second place person, and only 3 more Slams (15% more) than the third place person. Phelps has 23 golds, which is 155% more than the second place swimmer (9 golds).But his accomplishments aren't quite as impressive as what Phelps did. Djokovic has done something amazing, but at the same time it's not that amazing since 2 other players have almost accomplished what he has accomplished. After winning 23 Slams, he
Just to be sure we're comparing apples to apples, how many of Phelps' Olympic gold medals were for *individual* events?
Yes, and didn't he have weird flipper feet which means his wins are worthless like that professor suggests re Novak's flexibility?
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