• Alcaraz - Djokovic

    From *skriptis@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 23:05:32 2023
    #1 vs #3

    20-year old vs 36-year old

    the fact Djokovic is an ATG is countered by the fact Alcaraz is on his way to become one as well

    So basically Alcaraz should be overwhelming favorite and win easily.


    Yet, for some reason, despite him being the best player in the draw, there are guys I fear more from a h2h point of view. Alcaraz seems to me like the player whom Djokovic would prefer as opposed to Rune or Medvedev on hard.

    He's just too much similar to Nadal, and Djokovic has played against Nadal his entire life, he has the game to counter Alcaraz.

    Of course, Alcaraz is the favourite and may win easily as he's likely a better player in terms of rankings, youth, clay surface, they're only tied in terms of ATG status which is near certain for Alcaraz.

    But he's an improved version of Nadal in some ways, and an inferior version in some ways. He's not a leftie for example. Djokovic still has better serve and return.

    And Alcaraz doesn't hit as strong on both wings, and is prone to drop shots. While that is a good thing, generally, as it showcases his versatility, I have a feeling he won't play to crush Djokovic, like wawrinka does, but to outplay him, outfox him or
    tire him out, and that could end up being bad for him.


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  • From Two-pack@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 14:15:45 2023
    Djokovic is the GOAT. He should be the favorite. Against a player of Alcaraz's caliber Djokovic will have to turn it up full blast, but I think he'll prevail. Match of the year so far. Can't wait.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Two-pack on Tue Jun 6 18:40:35 2023
    Two-pack <orkon.welk@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Djokovic is the GOAT. He should be the favorite. Against a player of Alcaraz's caliber Djokovic will have to turn it up full blast, but I think he'll prevail. Match of the year so far. Can't wait.

    Sure Djokovic has lots of experience but I don't see Djokovic being able to do anything better than alcaraz. Alcaraz is insane.
    It's funny, Alcaraz chooses not to hit strong serves, but when it got tight he hit two aces one of them at 137mph.
    His pace and defense is insane, and his ability to muscle winners on the run from far behind the baseline is unparalleled.
    Djokovic will try to narrow the speed and intensity differences by staying far back, and Alcaraz will abuse him dropshots.

    Of course, I wouldn't be very surprised to see djok finding ways to win but Alcaraz is the favourite with clear margins.
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  • From Shakes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 18:47:39 2023
    On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 2:05:35 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
    #1 vs #3

    20-year old vs 36-year old

    the fact Djokovic is an ATG is countered by the fact Alcaraz is on his way to become one as well

    So basically Alcaraz should be overwhelming favorite and win easily.


    Yet, for some reason, despite him being the best player in the draw, there are guys I fear more from a h2h point of view. Alcaraz seems to me like the player whom Djokovic would prefer as opposed to Rune or Medvedev on hard.

    He's just too much similar to Nadal, and Djokovic has played against Nadal his entire life, he has the game to counter Alcaraz.

    Of course, Alcaraz is the favourite and may win easily as he's likely a better player in terms of rankings, youth, clay surface, they're only tied in terms of ATG status which is near certain for Alcaraz.

    But he's an improved version of Nadal in some ways, and an inferior version in some ways. He's not a leftie for example. Djokovic still has better serve and return.

    And Alcaraz doesn't hit as strong on both wings, and is prone to drop shots. While that is a good thing, generally, as it showcases his versatility, I have a feeling he won't play to crush Djokovic, like wawrinka does, but to outplay him, outfox him or
    tire him out, and that could end up being bad for him.


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    I would give Alcaraz a 60/40 advantage. They played only once before in a very close match at Madrid last year which Alcaraz won. Djok's best chance is to make it a slugfest, if he can. It means he would have to serve very well.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 7 16:30:06 2023
    On 7/06/2023 7:05 am, *skriptis wrote:

    #1 vs #3

    20-year old vs 36-year old

    the fact Djokovic is an ATG is countered by the fact Alcaraz is on his way to become one as well

    So basically Alcaraz should be overwhelming favorite and win easily.


    Yet, for some reason, despite him being the best player in the draw, there are guys I fear more from a h2h point of view. Alcaraz seems to me like the player whom Djokovic would prefer as opposed to Rune or Medvedev on hard.

    He's just too much similar to Nadal, and Djokovic has played against Nadal his entire life, he has the game to counter Alcaraz.

    Of course, Alcaraz is the favourite and may win easily as he's likely a better player in terms of rankings, youth, clay surface, they're only tied in terms of ATG status which is near certain for Alcaraz.

    But he's an improved version of Nadal in some ways, and an inferior version in some ways. He's not a leftie for example. Djokovic still has better serve and return.

    And Alcaraz doesn't hit as strong on both wings, and is prone to drop shots. While that is a good thing, generally, as it showcases his versatility, I have a feeling he won't play to crush Djokovic, like wawrinka does, but to outplay him, outfox him or
    tire him out, and that could end up being bad for him.




    Really looking forward to this. Djoker is the real no.1 in terms of
    points he shoulda got at Wimbledon, but I think Carlos is no.1 in terms
    of tennis ability right now. It should be a very high quality as both
    guys have a valid excuse for losing so will play without huge pressure
    imo. Can Carlos hit enough winners to overwhelm Djoker's defense? Yes
    I think he can and will, but wouldn't bet a lot of money on it. It also wouldn't be a great surprise to see Djoker winning in the end.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Wed Jun 7 16:40:35 2023
    On 7/06/2023 8:40 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Two-pack <orkon.welk@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Djokovic is the GOAT. He should be the favorite. Against a player of Alcaraz's caliber Djokovic will have to turn it up full blast, but I think he'll prevail. Match of the year so far. Can't wait.

    Sure Djokovic has lots of experience but I don't see Djokovic being able to do anything better than alcaraz. Alcaraz is insane.
    It's funny, Alcaraz chooses not to hit strong serves, but when it got tight he hit two aces one of them at 137mph.
    His pace and defense is insane, and his ability to muscle winners on the run from far behind the baseline is unparalleled.
    Djokovic will try to narrow the speed and intensity differences by staying far back, and Alcaraz will abuse him dropshots.

    Of course, I wouldn't be very surprised to see djok finding ways to win but Alcaraz is the favourite with clear margins.


    I agree, but Djoker has been seen as the underdog many times and come
    through so not a new experience for him. Carlos needs to be careful he
    doesn't suffer any lapses, Djoker will pounce and make the most of it.

    Carlos has so many weapons it's crazy. I've never seen anyone generate
    that kind of power from a neutral ball.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 7 09:48:41 2023
    On 7.6.2023 0.05, *skriptis wrote:

    #1 vs #3

    20-year old vs 36-year old

    the fact Djokovic is an ATG is countered by the fact Alcaraz is on his way to become one as well


    The Battle of the Pipes. Like that 2001 match on grass, this will decide
    it all. Old BOAT v New BOAT. PEIB v CEIB. Young Pipe v Big Pipe. Bodies
    will pile up. Sacrifices will be made.

    It's like 2004 was for Federer. Suddenly, Federer demolishes all his
    foes and becomes the new standard of play. In 2022-2023, Alcatraz sets a
    new standard.

    Alcatraz at 20 seems like he has the right solution for every situation.
    From feathery touch to the Big Bertha. His maturity at 20 is
    astonishing. He's even toned down the fist pumping for TT.

    So basically Alcaraz should be overwhelming favorite and win easily.

    A is the clear fave. 1.42 - 2.6 at Betfair. Maybe that takes some
    pressure off Djok. I think Djok will wait wait and wait. For two sets,
    he was in trouble against Khachanov, but suddenly found a 7-0 TB. He
    won't get quite that from Alcatraz but a 7-5 will do. The longer it
    takes, the better off Djok is.

    Hope it's not going to be a doozie, whichever way the match goes.


    Yet, for some reason, despite him being the best player in the draw, there are guys I fear more from a h2h point of view. Alcaraz seems to me like the player whom Djokovic would prefer as opposed to Rune or Medvedev on hard.


    At least Djok should be fired up to the max.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Shakes on Wed Jun 7 07:20:32 2023
    On 6/6/23 6:47 PM, Shakes wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 2:05:35 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
    #1 vs #3

    20-year old vs 36-year old

    the fact Djokovic is an ATG is countered by the fact Alcaraz is on his way to become one as well

    So basically Alcaraz should be overwhelming favorite and win easily.


    Yet, for some reason, despite him being the best player in the draw, there are guys I fear more from a h2h point of view. Alcaraz seems to me like the player whom Djokovic would prefer as opposed to Rune or Medvedev on hard.

    He's just too much similar to Nadal, and Djokovic has played against Nadal his entire life, he has the game to counter Alcaraz.

    Of course, Alcaraz is the favourite and may win easily as he's likely a better player in terms of rankings, youth, clay surface, they're only tied in terms of ATG status which is near certain for Alcaraz.

    But he's an improved version of Nadal in some ways, and an inferior version in some ways. He's not a leftie for example. Djokovic still has better serve and return.

    And Alcaraz doesn't hit as strong on both wings, and is prone to drop shots. While that is a good thing, generally, as it showcases his versatility, I have a feeling he won't play to crush Djokovic, like wawrinka does, but to outplay him, outfox him
    or tire him out, and that could end up being bad for him.


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    I would give Alcaraz a 60/40 advantage. They played only once before in a very close match at Madrid last year which Alcaraz won. Djok's best chance is to make it a slugfest, if he can. It means he would have to serve very well.


    Yes. That's about how I see it.

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  • From stephenj@21:1/5 to Whisper on Wed Jun 7 14:06:36 2023
    On 6/7/2023 1:30 AM, Whisper wrote:
    On 7/06/2023 7:05 am, *skriptis wrote:

    #1 vs #3

    20-year old vs 36-year old

    the fact Djokovic is an ATG is countered by the fact Alcaraz is on his
    way to become one as well

    So basically Alcaraz should be overwhelming favorite and win easily.


    Yet, for some reason, despite him being the best player in the draw,
    there are guys I fear more from a h2h point of view. Alcaraz seems to
    me like the player whom Djokovic would prefer as opposed to Rune or
    Medvedev on hard.

    He's just too much similar to Nadal, and Djokovic has played against
    Nadal his entire life, he has the game to counter Alcaraz.

    Of course, Alcaraz is the favourite and may win easily as he's likely
    a better player in terms of rankings, youth, clay surface, they're
    only tied in terms of ATG status which is near certain for Alcaraz.

    But he's an improved version of Nadal in some ways, and an inferior
    version in some ways. He's not a leftie for example. Djokovic still
    has better serve and return.

    And Alcaraz doesn't hit as strong on both wings, and is prone to drop
    shots. While that is a good thing, generally, as it showcases his
    versatility, I have a feeling he won't play to crush Djokovic, like
    wawrinka does, but to outplay him, outfox him or tire him out, and
    that could end up being bad for him.




    Really looking forward to this.  Djoker is the real no.1 in terms of
    points he shoulda got at Wimbledon, but I think Carlos is no.1 in terms
    of tennis ability right now.  It should be a very high quality as both
    guys have a valid excuse for losing so will play without huge pressure
    imo.  Can Carlos hit enough winners to overwhelm Djoker's defense?  Yes
    I think he can and will, but wouldn't bet a lot of money on it.  It also wouldn't be a great surprise to see Djoker winning in the end.

    Yes, IMO this is the match of the year so far. Can't wait for it. Should
    be a real battle. Alcaraz is hitting the ball amazingly, but it is hard
    for me to picture joker losing.

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Wed Jun 7 17:45:48 2023
    On 6/7/2023 9:20 AM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 6/6/23 6:47 PM, Shakes wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 2:05:35 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
    #1 vs #3

    20-year old vs 36-year old

    the fact Djokovic is an ATG is countered by the fact Alcaraz is on
    his way to become one as well

    So basically Alcaraz should be overwhelming favorite and win easily.


    Yet, for some reason, despite him being the best player in the draw,
    there are guys I fear more from a h2h point of view. Alcaraz seems to
    me like the player whom Djokovic would prefer as opposed to Rune or
    Medvedev on hard.

    He's just too much similar to Nadal, and Djokovic has played against
    Nadal his entire life, he has the game to counter Alcaraz.

    Of course, Alcaraz is the favourite and may win easily as he's likely
    a better player in terms of rankings, youth, clay surface, they're
    only tied in terms of ATG status which is near certain for Alcaraz.

    But he's an improved version of Nadal in some ways, and an inferior
    version in some ways. He's not a leftie for example. Djokovic still
    has better serve and return.

    And Alcaraz doesn't hit as strong on both wings, and is prone to drop
    shots. While that is a good thing, generally, as it showcases his
    versatility, I have a feeling he won't play to crush Djokovic, like
    wawrinka does, but to outplay him, outfox him or tire him out, and
    that could end up being bad for him.


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    I would  give Alcaraz a 60/40 advantage. They played only once before
    in a very close match at Madrid last year which Alcaraz won. Djok's
    best chance is to make it a slugfest, if he can. It means he would
    have to serve very well.


    Yes. That's about how I see it.

    I will take Alcaraz in this match, his playing right now is amazing!
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