• Let's say you find out tommorrow your employer has overpaid you.....

    From michael anderson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 28 14:44:49 2023
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.

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  • From leonard hofstatder@21:1/5 to michael anderson on Sat Jan 28 17:10:39 2023
    On 1/28/2023 4:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.




    You're not a professional athlete.

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to leonard hofstatder on Sat Jan 28 15:20:13 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 5:10:39 PM UTC-6, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 4:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.


    You're not a professional athlete.

    that example makes no sense because a pro athlete wouldnt have such an opportunity to be overpaid like this(no real prodution/rvu formula that could be misinterpreted for example)

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  • From The NOTBCS Guy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 28 16:27:30 2023
    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.

    Well, normally, it would depend on whether or not (a) there's a good chance they would find out about it anyway, and (b) if they do, they demand that you pay it back with interest. This happened to me when I first started working for the Navy - I was
    informed that, for something like three months, I had received a pay raise that I was not entitled to, and I had to pay it back (I don't think they charged interest; that would have been pushing it) - but I didn't realize I wasn't entitled to the money
    until they informed me.

    However, I also didn't confess it to a public forum - and are you absolutely sure none of the higher-ups where you work read this?

    Then again, are you certain you weren't entitled to the money? Maybe it's from some form of settlement concerning that false accusation by an NP you mentioned a few years ago...

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  • From TE@21:1/5 to miande...@gmail.com on Sat Jan 28 19:34:08 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 5:44:51 PM UTC-5, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.

    When I was around 15 I worked at a restaurant. They paid me in cash, which of course was dishonest. Once there was about $40 extra in the packet, probably should have received $40, but got $80. Anyway, I went back to the manager and handed him back the $40, I don't think he even looked at me, "oh, just leave it on
    the table." No "thank you" no, "keep 20 and we'll call it even." Nuthin.

    The lesson was "fuck those guys, I'll screw 'em over." But eventually I figured-out
    that you do the right thing not for reward, but because it's the right thing to do.

    It's a life lesson I learned that has served absolutely no purpose at all in my life.

    HTH.

    -TE

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to The NOTBCS Guy on Sat Jan 28 19:35:39 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 6:27:32 PM UTC-6, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.
    Well, normally, it would depend on whether or not (a) there's a good chance they would find out about it anyway, and (b) if they do, they demand that you pay it back with interest. This happened to me when I first started working for the Navy - I was
    informed that, for something like three months, I had received a pay raise that I was not entitled to, and I had to pay it back (I don't think they charged interest; that would have been pushing it) - but I didn't realize I wasn't entitled to the money
    until they informed me.

    However, I also didn't confess it to a public forum - and are you absolutely sure none of the higher-ups where you work read this?

    Then again, are you certain you weren't entitled to the money? Maybe it's from some form of settlement concerning that false accusation by an NP you mentioned a few years ago...

    I mean I know(looking at it now) where the miscalculation comes from: there is a small geriatric unit where I covered for someone else(while they were on a leave) about 5 months
    in 2022. They ended up paying me a set fee/stipend to do it *and* gave me pay based on rvus/collections. The confusion stems from the fact that at first it was unclear how I would be compensated for it, but eventually I agreed to just take a lump sum
    and sign over 100% of the codes to them so that neither collections nor rvu productivity was worried about. Usually I get paid based on a combation of a set amount/salary/stipend and either collections or rvus(depending on the setting). but in this
    case I'm pretty sure they just mistakenly
    gave me both. Now sometimes I do get both, but in this case the amount they paid me for the stipend was meant to cover everything, and not just partial payment with a percentage of the codes the rest.

    I'm just going to act like I don't know anything about it. Hell I didn't notice until now so it is believable lol.....

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 28 22:16:52 2023
    If you actually got overpaid, I would definitely hold onto the cash for a period of time.

    Mike

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to randorwell@gmail.com on Sun Jan 29 12:54:52 2023
    On 2023-01-29, TE <randorwell@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 5:44:51 PM UTC-5, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.

    When I was around 15 I worked at a restaurant. They paid me in cash, which of
    course was dishonest. Once there was about $40 extra in the packet, probably should have received $40, but got $80. Anyway, I went back to the manager and
    handed him back the $40, I don't think he even looked at me, "oh, just leave it on
    the table." No "thank you" no, "keep 20 and we'll call it even." Nuthin.

    The lesson was "fuck those guys, I'll screw 'em over." But eventually I figured-out
    that you do the right thing not for reward, but because it's the right thing to do.

    It's a life lesson I learned that has served absolutely no purpose at all in my life.

    HTH.

    I'd lie, but its too hard to keep the story straight. It's a lot
    easier to be honest.

    If you are reflexively honest, you make many fewer mistakes you
    regret. And people tend to believe you if you tell them it is a
    mistake.

    --
    "Sooner or later, everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences."
    -- Robert Louis Stevenson

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  • From JGibson@21:1/5 to miande...@gmail.com on Sun Jan 29 04:43:02 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:35:41 PM UTC-5, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 6:27:32 PM UTC-6, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.
    Well, normally, it would depend on whether or not (a) there's a good chance they would find out about it anyway, and (b) if they do, they demand that you pay it back with interest. This happened to me when I first started working for the Navy - I was
    informed that, for something like three months, I had received a pay raise that I was not entitled to, and I had to pay it back (I don't think they charged interest; that would have been pushing it) - but I didn't realize I wasn't entitled to the money
    until they informed me.

    However, I also didn't confess it to a public forum - and are you absolutely sure none of the higher-ups where you work read this?

    Then again, are you certain you weren't entitled to the money? Maybe it's from some form of settlement concerning that false accusation by an NP you mentioned a few years ago...
    I mean I know(looking at it now) where the miscalculation comes from: there is a small geriatric unit where I covered for someone else(while they were on a leave) about 5 months
    in 2022. They ended up paying me a set fee/stipend to do it *and* gave me pay based on rvus/collections. The confusion stems from the fact that at first it was unclear how I would be compensated for it, but eventually I agreed to just take a lump sum
    and sign over 100% of the codes to them so that neither collections nor rvu productivity was worried about. Usually I get paid based on a combation of a set amount/salary/stipend and either collections or rvus(depending on the setting). but in this case
    I'm pretty sure they just mistakenly
    gave me both. Now sometimes I do get both, but in this case the amount they paid me for the stipend was meant to cover everything, and not just partial payment with a percentage of the codes the rest.

    I'm just going to act like I don't know anything about it. Hell I didn't notice until now so it is believable lol.....

    You only checked after the Brian Kelly situation?

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  • From TE@21:1/5 to unhyphenated American on Sun Jan 29 17:17:23 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 7:54:56 AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
    On 2023-01-29, TE <rando...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 5:44:51 PM UTC-5, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.

    When I was around 15 I worked at a restaurant. They paid me in cash, which of
    course was dishonest. Once there was about $40 extra in the packet, probably
    should have received $40, but got $80. Anyway, I went back to the manager and
    handed him back the $40, I don't think he even looked at me, "oh, just leave it on
    the table." No "thank you" no, "keep 20 and we'll call it even." Nuthin.

    The lesson was "fuck those guys, I'll screw 'em over." But eventually I figured-out
    that you do the right thing not for reward, but because it's the right thing to do.

    It's a life lesson I learned that has served absolutely no purpose at all in my life.

    HTH.
    I'd lie, but its too hard to keep the story straight. It's a lot
    easier to be honest.

    If you are reflexively honest, you make many fewer mistakes you
    regret. And people tend to believe you if you tell them it is a
    mistake.

    ...and that's one to grow on.

    IAWTP

    -TE

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    -- Robert Louis Stevenson

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to JGibson on Sun Jan 29 17:53:36 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:43:05 AM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:35:41 PM UTC-5, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 6:27:32 PM UTC-6, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.
    Well, normally, it would depend on whether or not (a) there's a good chance they would find out about it anyway, and (b) if they do, they demand that you pay it back with interest. This happened to me when I first started working for the Navy - I
    was informed that, for something like three months, I had received a pay raise that I was not entitled to, and I had to pay it back (I don't think they charged interest; that would have been pushing it) - but I didn't realize I wasn't entitled to the
    money until they informed me.

    However, I also didn't confess it to a public forum - and are you absolutely sure none of the higher-ups where you work read this?

    Then again, are you certain you weren't entitled to the money? Maybe it's from some form of settlement concerning that false accusation by an NP you mentioned a few years ago...
    I mean I know(looking at it now) where the miscalculation comes from: there is a small geriatric unit where I covered for someone else(while they were on a leave) about 5 months
    in 2022. They ended up paying me a set fee/stipend to do it *and* gave me pay based on rvus/collections. The confusion stems from the fact that at first it was unclear how I would be compensated for it, but eventually I agreed to just take a lump sum
    and sign over 100% of the codes to them so that neither collections nor rvu productivity was worried about. Usually I get paid based on a combation of a set amount/salary/stipend and either collections or rvus(depending on the setting). but in this case
    I'm pretty sure they just mistakenly
    gave me both. Now sometimes I do get both, but in this case the amount they paid me for the stipend was meant to cover everything, and not just partial payment with a percentage of the codes the rest.

    I'm just going to act like I don't know anything about it. Hell I didn't notice until now so it is believable lol.....
    You only checked after the Brian Kelly situation?

    no I only checked when pulling together my income statements in preparation to do my taxes for 2022

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  • From Eric Ramon@21:1/5 to miande...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 30 18:48:00 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 5:53:39 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:43:05 AM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:35:41 PM UTC-5, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 6:27:32 PM UTC-6, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.
    Well, normally, it would depend on whether or not (a) there's a good chance they would find out about it anyway, and (b) if they do, they demand that you pay it back with interest. This happened to me when I first started working for the Navy - I
    was informed that, for something like three months, I had received a pay raise that I was not entitled to, and I had to pay it back (I don't think they charged interest; that would have been pushing it) - but I didn't realize I wasn't entitled to the
    money until they informed me.

    However, I also didn't confess it to a public forum - and are you absolutely sure none of the higher-ups where you work read this?

    Then again, are you certain you weren't entitled to the money? Maybe it's from some form of settlement concerning that false accusation by an NP you mentioned a few years ago...
    I mean I know(looking at it now) where the miscalculation comes from: there is a small geriatric unit where I covered for someone else(while they were on a leave) about 5 months
    in 2022. They ended up paying me a set fee/stipend to do it *and* gave me pay based on rvus/collections. The confusion stems from the fact that at first it was unclear how I would be compensated for it, but eventually I agreed to just take a lump
    sum and sign over 100% of the codes to them so that neither collections nor rvu productivity was worried about. Usually I get paid based on a combation of a set amount/salary/stipend and either collections or rvus(depending on the setting). but in this
    case I'm pretty sure they just mistakenly
    gave me both. Now sometimes I do get both, but in this case the amount they paid me for the stipend was meant to cover everything, and not just partial payment with a percentage of the codes the rest.

    I'm just going to act like I don't know anything about it. Hell I didn't notice until now so it is believable lol.....
    You only checked after the Brian Kelly situation?
    no I only checked when pulling together my income statements in preparation to do my taxes for 2022

    did they include it on your W-2? If so then they know they paid it. I'm assuming you found this out pre W-2.

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to Eric Ramon on Mon Jan 30 23:10:09 2023
    On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:48:03 PM UTC-6, Eric Ramon wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 5:53:39 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:43:05 AM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:35:41 PM UTC-5, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 6:27:32 PM UTC-6, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.
    Well, normally, it would depend on whether or not (a) there's a good chance they would find out about it anyway, and (b) if they do, they demand that you pay it back with interest. This happened to me when I first started working for the Navy -
    I was informed that, for something like three months, I had received a pay raise that I was not entitled to, and I had to pay it back (I don't think they charged interest; that would have been pushing it) - but I didn't realize I wasn't entitled to the
    money until they informed me.

    However, I also didn't confess it to a public forum - and are you absolutely sure none of the higher-ups where you work read this?

    Then again, are you certain you weren't entitled to the money? Maybe it's from some form of settlement concerning that false accusation by an NP you mentioned a few years ago...
    I mean I know(looking at it now) where the miscalculation comes from: there is a small geriatric unit where I covered for someone else(while they were on a leave) about 5 months
    in 2022. They ended up paying me a set fee/stipend to do it *and* gave me pay based on rvus/collections. The confusion stems from the fact that at first it was unclear how I would be compensated for it, but eventually I agreed to just take a lump
    sum and sign over 100% of the codes to them so that neither collections nor rvu productivity was worried about. Usually I get paid based on a combation of a set amount/salary/stipend and either collections or rvus(depending on the setting). but in this
    case I'm pretty sure they just mistakenly
    gave me both. Now sometimes I do get both, but in this case the amount they paid me for the stipend was meant to cover everything, and not just partial payment with a percentage of the codes the rest.

    I'm just going to act like I don't know anything about it. Hell I didn't notice until now so it is believable lol.....
    You only checked after the Brian Kelly situation?
    no I only checked when pulling together my income statements in preparation to do my taxes for 2022
    did they include it on your W-2? If so then they know they paid it. I'm assuming you found this out pre W-2.

    well sure they know the total amount of money they paid me. The issue is that based on the formula of how my total compensation
    works out(it's kinda complicated but involves a mixture of base salary, contract stipend work, and rvus or percent of collections depending on the site), they just paid me too much.

    the only way they are going to find out is if they recalculate the formula....which is the only way I found out they did so. Them just looking again at how much they paid me and making sure that matches up with what they show as supposed to be going out
    won't catch it, because what they have as supposed to be going out isn't right(at least per my calculations)....

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to michael anderson on Tue Jan 31 22:15:14 2023
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention
    and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway and
    try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably
    will not give you a character reference.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Wed Feb 1 07:56:33 2023
    On 1/31/2023 10:15 PM, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay
    statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a
    month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six
    figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were
    far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention
    and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway and
    try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably
    will not give you a character reference.


    Do the right thing. It's better for everyone. Not to mention people
    have done prison time for keeping that kind of money.
    --
    ÄLSKAR - Fänga Dagen

    Слава Україні та НАТО

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  • From xyzzy@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Wed Feb 1 12:56:10 2023
    RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net> wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay
    statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six
    figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far
    underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention
    and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway and
    try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably
    will not give you a character reference.

    Except maybe security clearance jobs IME no one ever actually checks references. Because they know no one will give them for fear of liability.


    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, liberal personality.” — Altie

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Wed Feb 1 14:58:24 2023
    On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-6, xyzzy wrote:
    RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.M...@verizon.net> wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay
    statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six
    figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far >> underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention
    and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway and try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably
    will not give you a character reference.
    Except maybe security clearance jobs IME no one ever actually checks references. Because they know no one will give them for fear of liability.

    ??? I don't understand this. I've been contacted more times than I can remember to provide information about colleagues who have moved on to other positions, applying for hospital privledges at other hospitals, etc. And Im pretty sure they contact the
    people
    I've listed on mine. Because on more than one occasion privledges were held up until the next meeting because they were still missing a reference they hadn't reached(thats what they said at least when I asked why I wasn't on that agenda)


    --
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  • From joe@mich.com@21:1/5 to michael anderson on Thu Feb 2 07:50:21 2023
    On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 14:58:24 -0800 (PST), michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-6, xyzzy wrote:
    RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.M...@verizon.net> wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay
    statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six
    figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far >> >> underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention
    and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway and >> > try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably
    will not give you a character reference.
    Except maybe security clearance jobs IME no one ever actually checks
    references. Because they know no one will give them for fear of liability.

    ??? I don't understand this. I've been contacted more times than I can remember to provide information about colleagues who have moved on to other positions, applying for hospital privledges at other hospitals, etc. And Im pretty sure they contact
    the people
    I've listed on mine. Because on more than one occasion privledges were held up until the next meeting because they were still missing a reference they hadn't reached(thats what they said at least when I asked why I wasn't on that agenda)

    In general, companies will only confirm past employment, they will not give details for fear of being sued. They may win if it went to court, but they
    don't want the hassle. Giving a reference has no benefit to the previous company, only a downside.

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  • From Tim VanWagoner@21:1/5 to j...@mich.com on Thu Feb 2 05:51:06 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:50:26 AM UTC-6, j...@mich.com wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 14:58:24 -0800 (PST), michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-6, xyzzy wrote:
    RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.M...@verizon.net> wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay
    statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six
    figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far
    underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention >> > and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway and
    try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably
    will not give you a character reference.
    Except maybe security clearance jobs IME no one ever actually checks
    references. Because they know no one will give them for fear of liability.

    ??? I don't understand this. I've been contacted more times than I can remember to provide information about colleagues who have moved on to other positions, applying for hospital privledges at other hospitals, etc. And Im pretty sure they contact the
    people
    I've listed on mine. Because on more than one occasion privledges were held up until the next meeting because they were still missing a reference they hadn't reached(thats what they said at least when I asked why I wasn't on that agenda)

    In general, companies will only confirm past employment, they will not give details for fear of being sued. They may win if it went to court, but they
    don't want the hassle. Giving a reference has no benefit to the previous company, only a downside.

    That’s for regular employment situations. It’s not the case for professionals like clinicians, lawyers, professors, etc.

    For what it’s worth, I always check references and people do indeed give their honest opinion.

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to tim.vanwa...@gmail.com on Thu Feb 2 09:55:48 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:51:08 AM UTC-6, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:50:26 AM UTC-6, j...@mich.com wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 14:58:24 -0800 (PST), michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-6, xyzzy wrote:
    RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.M...@verizon.net> wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay
    statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six
    figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far
    underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention
    and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway and
    try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably >> > will not give you a character reference.
    Except maybe security clearance jobs IME no one ever actually checks
    references. Because they know no one will give them for fear of liability.

    ??? I don't understand this. I've been contacted more times than I can remember to provide information about colleagues who have moved on to other positions, applying for hospital privledges at other hospitals, etc. And Im pretty sure they contact
    the people
    I've listed on mine. Because on more than one occasion privledges were held up until the next meeting because they were still missing a reference they hadn't reached(thats what they said at least when I asked why I wasn't on that agenda)

    In general, companies will only confirm past employment, they will not give details for fear of being sued. They may win if it went to court, but they
    don't want the hassle. Giving a reference has no benefit to the previous company, only a downside.
    That’s for regular employment situations. It’s not the case for professionals like clinicians, lawyers, professors, etc.

    For what it’s worth, I always check references and people do indeed give their honest opinion.

    but who's going to put down a reference that they think won't say great things about them? Very few I would guess.
    Now some groups and hospitals are going to want to speak to maybe someone in particular at a minimum(like if it's a recent residency grad their residency program director, or in the case of someone like
    me at least one psychiatrist from the previous group). Some don't though and just let you pick anyone.....

    generally the people who pick me as a reference know I'm going to say good things about them, and likewise the people I would put down(most hospitals require 3 for credentialing) I'm pretty sure
    would say good things about me. I'm not going to be listing someone whose contract I took for example lol.....

    In my opinion references aren't that important because it seems like everyone(even bad ones...whether it's a researcher or a physician or whatever) can get 3 colleagues in their field to say good things about them.
    I suppose one way they may be useful is as a very minimum screen....like if someone has been out of training for awhile and can't find 3 colleagues to say good things about them(especially if they work in a hospital or group setting), that would probably
    be a red flag. I mean I'm pretty awkward around others and don't have many friends, but even I have never had any trouble listing good references.

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Thu Feb 2 16:25:02 2023
    On 2/1/2023 7:56 AM, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 1/31/2023 10:15 PM, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay
    statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a
    month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six
    figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were
    far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention
    and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway
    and try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably
    will not give you a character reference.


    Do the right thing.  It's better for everyone.  Not to mention people
    have done prison time for keeping that kind of money.

    Exactly. And don't forget, someone might audit your employer's accounts
    and billings, especially if Medicare, Medicaid or state government is
    paying the bills.

    If you get one W2 in January that will total up your compensation and if
    it is way out of whack someone will notice. A small firm I used to work
    for put W2s on a server where I could see them (probably by accident).
    So I could see what everyone was making and their 401K contributions.

    Now if you get a bunch of 1099s from different organizations, that might
    be a different story. But the ethical thing to do is bring the possible
    error to the attention of your supervisor and payroll dept.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to michael anderson on Thu Feb 2 17:20:24 2023
    On 2/2/2023 12:55 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:51:08 AM UTC-6, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:50:26 AM UTC-6, j...@mich.com wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 14:58:24 -0800 (PST), michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-6, xyzzy wrote:
    RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.M...@verizon.net> wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay
    statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six
    figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far
    underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention >>>>>> and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway and >>>>>> try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably >>>>>> will not give you a character reference.
    Except maybe security clearance jobs IME no one ever actually checks >>>>> references. Because they know no one will give them for fear of liability.

    ??? I don't understand this. I've been contacted more times than I can remember to provide information about colleagues who have moved on to other positions, applying for hospital privledges at other hospitals, etc. And Im pretty sure they contact
    the people
    I've listed on mine. Because on more than one occasion privledges were held up until the next meeting because they were still missing a reference they hadn't reached(thats what they said at least when I asked why I wasn't on that agenda)

    In general, companies will only confirm past employment, they will not give details for fear of being sued. They may win if it went to court, but they
    don't want the hassle. Giving a reference has no benefit to the previous company, only a downside.
    That’s for regular employment situations. It’s not the case for professionals like clinicians, lawyers, professors, etc.

    For what it’s worth, I always check references and people do indeed give their honest opinion.

    but who's going to put down a reference that they think won't say great things about them? Very few I would guess.
    Now some groups and hospitals are going to want to speak to maybe someone in particular at a minimum(like if it's a recent residency grad their residency program director, or in the case of someone like
    me at least one psychiatrist from the previous group). Some don't though and just let you pick anyone.....

    generally the people who pick me as a reference know I'm going to say good things about them, and likewise the people I would put down(most hospitals require 3 for credentialing) I'm pretty sure
    would say good things about me. I'm not going to be listing someone whose contract I took for example lol.....

    In my opinion references aren't that important because it seems like everyone(even bad ones...whether it's a researcher or a physician or whatever) can get 3 colleagues in their field to say good things about them.
    I suppose one way they may be useful is as a very minimum screen....like if someone has been out of training for awhile and can't find 3 colleagues to say good things about them(especially if they work in a hospital or group setting), that would
    probably be a red flag. I mean I'm pretty awkward around others and don't have many friends, but even I have never had any trouble listing good references.

    I'd be more concerned about criminal legal action for tax evasion.
    --
    ÄLSKAR - Fänga Dagen

    Слава Україні та НАТО

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 2 16:21:21 2023
    After much reflection and consideration and reading through the input here, I've come to a decision. I'm going to keep the money
    and not say anything.

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Thu Feb 2 16:17:58 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 4:20:30 PM UTC-6, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 2/2/2023 12:55 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:51:08 AM UTC-6, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:50:26 AM UTC-6, j...@mich.com wrote: >>> On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 14:58:24 -0800 (PST), michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-6, xyzzy wrote:
    RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.M...@verizon.net> wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay >>>>>>> statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six
    figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were far
    underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention
    and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway and
    try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably >>>>>> will not give you a character reference.
    Except maybe security clearance jobs IME no one ever actually checks >>>>> references. Because they know no one will give them for fear of liability.

    ??? I don't understand this. I've been contacted more times than I can remember to provide information about colleagues who have moved on to other positions, applying for hospital privledges at other hospitals, etc. And Im pretty sure they contact
    the people
    I've listed on mine. Because on more than one occasion privledges were held up until the next meeting because they were still missing a reference they hadn't reached(thats what they said at least when I asked why I wasn't on that agenda)

    In general, companies will only confirm past employment, they will not give details for fear of being sued. They may win if it went to court, but they
    don't want the hassle. Giving a reference has no benefit to the previous company, only a downside.
    That’s for regular employment situations. It’s not the case for professionals like clinicians, lawyers, professors, etc.

    For what it’s worth, I always check references and people do indeed give their honest opinion.

    but who's going to put down a reference that they think won't say great things about them? Very few I would guess.
    Now some groups and hospitals are going to want to speak to maybe someone in particular at a minimum(like if it's a recent residency grad their residency program director, or in the case of someone like
    me at least one psychiatrist from the previous group). Some don't though and just let you pick anyone.....

    generally the people who pick me as a reference know I'm going to say good things about them, and likewise the people I would put down(most hospitals require 3 for credentialing) I'm pretty sure
    would say good things about me. I'm not going to be listing someone whose contract I took for example lol.....

    In my opinion references aren't that important because it seems like everyone(even bad ones...whether it's a researcher or a physician or whatever) can get 3 colleagues in their field to say good things about them.
    I suppose one way they may be useful is as a very minimum screen....like if someone has been out of training for awhile and can't find 3 colleagues to say good things about them(especially if they work in a hospital or group setting), that would
    probably be a red flag. I mean I'm pretty awkward around others and don't have many friends, but even I have never had any trouble listing good references.

    I'd be more concerned about criminal legal action for tax evasion.

    I pay my taxes(and paid taxes on this money in question in this thread)


    --
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    Слава Україні та НАТО

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Thu Feb 2 16:19:57 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:25:07 PM UTC-6, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 2/1/2023 7:56 AM, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 1/31/2023 10:15 PM, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 1/28/2023 5:44 PM, michael anderson wrote:
    for the 2022 year.

    Let's say you discovered this when you were going over your pay
    statements and everything to prepare for doing your taxes later in a
    month or so.

    Not some massive earth changing amount but well into the six
    figures(let's say between 150 and 200k)

    Lets say you are leaving in a few months anyways.

    Do you alert them and pay the money back?

    If it makes a difference you also felt, looking back on it, you were
    far underpaid the first couple of years you worked there.



    Well, that's not exactly chump change. I'd bring it to their attention
    and have them audit their own books. They might figure it out anyway
    and try to claw it back.

    If you resist, don't ever mention them on your resume. They probably
    will not give you a character reference.


    Do the right thing. It's better for everyone. Not to mention people
    have done prison time for keeping that kind of money.
    Exactly. And don't forget, someone might audit your employer's accounts
    and billings, especially if Medicare, Medicaid or state government is
    paying the bills.

    sure, but just from them doing that the mistake(or what I think is a mistake here) won't be caught.



    If you get one W2 in January that will total up your compensation and if
    it is way out of whack someone will notice.

    Even with this additional overpayment, I'm pretty sure there are at least 2-3 other people in the group that still make a good bit more. So I
    don't think people will see it and think they overpaid me just from that one figure.

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  • From unclejr@21:1/5 to miande...@gmail.com on Thu Feb 2 20:25:15 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-6, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    After much reflection and consideration and reading through the input here, I've come to a decision. I'm going to keep the money
    and not say anything.

    We all knew that this would be your final decision. Way to not disappoint!

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to unclejr on Thu Feb 2 21:09:58 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:25:17 PM UTC-6, unclejr wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-6, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    After much reflection and consideration and reading through the input here, I've come to a decision. I'm going to keep the money
    and not say anything.
    We all knew that this would be your final decision. Way to not disappoint!

    I believe it is the right thing to do in the end.

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to michael anderson on Fri Feb 3 00:38:44 2023
    On 2/3/2023 12:09 AM, michael anderson wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:25:17 PM UTC-6, unclejr wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-6, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    After much reflection and consideration and reading through the input here, I've come to a decision. I'm going to keep the money
    and not say anything.
    We all knew that this would be your final decision. Way to not disappoint!

    I believe it is the right thing to do in the end.

    I'm not sure that I would use the term "right" to describe your position.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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  • From unclejr@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Fri Feb 3 08:14:36 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:38:53 PM UTC-6, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 2/3/2023 12:09 AM, michael anderson wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:25:17 PM UTC-6, unclejr wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-6, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    After much reflection and consideration and reading through the input here, I've come to a decision. I'm going to keep the money
    and not say anything.
    We all knew that this would be your final decision. Way to not disappoint!

    I believe it is the right thing to do in the end.
    I'm not sure that I would use the term "right" to describe your position.

    He is the paragon of integrity. Always has been.

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  • From Eric Ramon@21:1/5 to miande...@gmail.com on Sun Feb 5 16:30:02 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 4:21:23 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    After much reflection and consideration and reading through the input here, I've come to a decision. I'm going to keep the money
    and not say anything.

    this is my favorite post of yours ever. It's even better than the 88 IQ claim.

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  • From xyzzy@21:1/5 to Eric Ramon on Mon Feb 6 02:38:03 2023
    Eric Ramon <ramon.eric@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 4:21:23 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    After much reflection and consideration and reading through the input
    here, I've come to a decision. I'm going to keep the money
    and not say anything.

    this is my favorite post of yours ever. It's even better than the 88 IQ claim.


    Yeah sure if you ignore the classics like extorting a truck driver over a fender bender in Savannah.

    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, liberal personality.” — Altie

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Mon Feb 6 08:15:33 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:38:06 PM UTC-6, xyzzy wrote:
    Eric Ramon <ramon...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 4:21:23 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    After much reflection and consideration and reading through the input
    here, I've come to a decision. I'm going to keep the money
    and not say anything.

    this is my favorite post of yours ever. It's even better than the 88 IQ claim.

    Yeah sure if you ignore the classics like extorting a truck driver over a fender bender in Savannah.

    this ignores, of course, that there were 2 options I thought possible. *He chose* which of those he
    preferred. Again....I could have done what 90% of people would have done and just let traffic police come by, write up a standard report, submit it through his insurance, etc....I was thoughtful enough to not do that and instead do what he preferred.
    Sheeeesh.....
    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, liberal personality.” — Altie

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