QB Jaden Rashada, who originally committed to Miami before signing an NLI with Florida, has been released from his letter of intent - because a promised NIL deal with the Florida Gators Collective, reportedly worth around $13 million, fell through.

Why is this a problem? Because there isn't supposed to be a direct connection between the schools and NIL deals (or at least, there isn't supposed to be any "quid pro quo" between a booster signing someone to an NIL deal and the school, that might smack
of the school paying for part of it in some way) - but it seems that Florida is sending the message, "If you're promised money by our boosters and they back out of the deal, then you don't have to play here."

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The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:

QB Jaden Rashada, who originally committed to Miami before signing an NLI with Florida, has been released from his letter of intent - because a promised NIL deal with the Florida Gators Collective, reportedly worth
around $13 million, fell through.

Why is this a problem? Because there isn't supposed to be a direct
connection between the schools and NIL deals (or at least, there isn't supposed to be any "quid pro quo" between a booster signing someone to an
NIL deal and the school, that might smack of the school paying for part
of it in some way) - but it seems that Florida is sending the message,
"If you're promised money by our boosters and they back out of the deal,
then you don't have to play here."

NIL collectives are problematic to say the least. And yes that includes my school’s. Is there any power conference school that doesn’t have one?

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On 1/20/2023 10:10 PM, xyzzy wrote:

The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:

QB Jaden Rashada, who originally committed to Miami before signing an NLI
with Florida, has been released from his letter of intent - because a
promised NIL deal with the Florida Gators Collective, reportedly worth
around $13 million, fell through.

Why is this a problem? Because there isn't supposed to be a direct
connection between the schools and NIL deals (or at least, there isn't
supposed to be any "quid pro quo" between a booster signing someone to an
NIL deal and the school, that might smack of the school paying for part
of it in some way) - but it seems that Florida is sending the message,
"If you're promised money by our boosters and they back out of the deal,
then you don't have to play here."

NIL collectives are problematic to say the least. And yes that includes my school’s. Is there any power conference school that doesn’t have one?

VANDERBILT?
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On 1/20/2023 6:19 PM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:

QB Jaden Rashada, who originally committed to Miami before signing an NLI with Florida, has been released from his letter of intent - because a promised NIL deal with the Florida Gators Collective, reportedly worth around $13 million, fell through.

Why is this a problem? Because there isn't supposed to be a direct connection between the schools and NIL deals (or at least, there isn't supposed to be any "quid pro quo" between a booster signing someone to an NIL deal and the school, that might

smack of the school paying for part of it in some way) - but it seems that Florida is sending the message, "If you're promised money by our boosters and they back out of the deal, then you don't have to play here."

This just highlights the hypocrisy of big time college sports today.

Would have been a little interesting if UF held him to his letter of
intent. I don't know enough about the topic to know whether UF could
really do that.Lets see if he signs with UGA, Bama or LSU.

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RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net> wrote:

On 1/20/2023 10:10 PM, xyzzy wrote:

The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:

QB Jaden Rashada, who originally committed to Miami before signing an NLI >>> with Florida, has been released from his letter of intent - because a
promised NIL deal with the Florida Gators Collective, reportedly worth
around $13 million, fell through.

Why is this a problem? Because there isn't supposed to be a direct
connection between the schools and NIL deals (or at least, there isn't
supposed to be any "quid pro quo" between a booster signing someone to an >>> NIL deal and the school, that might smack of the school paying for part
of it in some way) - but it seems that Florida is sending the message,
"If you're promised money by our boosters and they back out of the deal, >>> then you don't have to play here."

NIL collectives are problematic to say the least. And yes that includes my >> school’s. Is there any power conference school that doesn’t have one?

VANDERBILT?

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2022/11/22/vanderbilt-nil-anchor-collective-announces-launch/69670542007/

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Would have been a little interesting if UF held him to his letter of
intent. I don't know enough about the topic to know whether UF could
really do that.Lets see if he signs with UGA, Bama or LSU.

I think the rule is, the athlete has to ask to be released from their NLI, then the school has 30 days to agree (or not) to the release, although there is some sort of national appeals committee if an athlete's request is denied by the school.

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NIL collectives are problematic to say the least. And yes that includes my school’s. Is there any power conference school that doesn’t have one?

Here's a website with a list (updated as of a few weeks ago), but it doesn't seem to be complete:
https://businessofcollegesports.com/tracker-university-specific-nil-collectives/#list-of-nil-collectives-by-school
("What kind of a list is this? Where's Alabama, or Georgia?" Under U, along with the other schools whose names begin with "University of")

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The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:

NIL collectives are problematic to say the least. And yes that includes my >> school’s. Is there any power conference school that doesn’t have one?

Here's a website with a list (updated as of a few weeks ago), but it
doesn't seem to be complete: https://businessofcollegesports.com/tracker-university-specific-nil-collectives/#list-of-nil-collectives-by-school
("What kind of a list is this? Where's Alabama, or Georgia?" Under U,
along with the other schools whose names begin with "University of")

This list might be better.

Wow Virginia Tech has four collectives!

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xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:

The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:

NIL collectives are problematic to say the least. And yes that includes my >>> school’s. Is there any power conference school that doesn’t have one? >>

Here's a website with a list (updated as of a few weeks ago), but it
doesn't seem to be complete:
https://businessofcollegesports.com/tracker-university-specific-nil-collectives/#list-of-nil-collectives-by-school
("What kind of a list is this? Where's Alabama, or Georgia?" Under U,
along with the other schools whose names begin with "University of")

This list might be better.

Wow Virginia Tech has four collectives!

Forgot the link duh

https://www.on3.com/nil/collectives/

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On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:19:57 PM UTC-8, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:

QB Jaden Rashada, who originally committed to Miami before signing an NLI with Florida, has been released from his letter of intent - because a promised NIL deal with the Florida Gators Collective, reportedly worth around $13 million, fell through.

Why is this a problem? Because there isn't supposed to be a direct connection between the schools and NIL deals (or at least, there isn't supposed to be any "quid pro quo" between a booster signing someone to an NIL deal and the school, that might

smack of the school paying for part of it in some way) - but it seems that Florida is sending the message, "If you're promised money by our boosters and they back out of the deal, then you don't have to play here."

But the state of Florida specifically prohibits such a direct arrangement with the player and the school in NIL dealings. That has to go through a collective.

Mike

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Why is this a problem? Because there isn't supposed to be a direct connection between the schools and NIL deals (or at least, there isn't supposed to be any "quid pro quo" between a booster signing someone to an NIL deal and the school, that might

smack of the school paying for part of it in some way) - but it seems that Florida is sending the message, "If you're promised money by our boosters and they back out of the deal, then you don't have to play here."

But the state of Florida specifically prohibits such a direct arrangement with the player and the school in NIL dealings. That has to go through a collective.

They all have to go through some third party like a collective - otherwise it's treated as the school paying the player, and the player becomes ineligible immediately. The question they're going to ask in Indianapolis is, does Florida have any sort of
connection with the collective that led them to tear up the letter of intent?

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On 1/21/2023 8:10 AM, xyzzy wrote:

RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net> wrote:

On 1/20/2023 10:10 PM, xyzzy wrote:

The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:

QB Jaden Rashada, who originally committed to Miami before signing an NLI >>>> with Florida, has been released from his letter of intent - because a
promised NIL deal with the Florida Gators Collective, reportedly worth >>>> around $13 million, fell through.

Why is this a problem? Because there isn't supposed to be a direct
connection between the schools and NIL deals (or at least, there isn't >>>> supposed to be any "quid pro quo" between a booster signing someone to an >>>> NIL deal and the school, that might smack of the school paying for part >>>> of it in some way) - but it seems that Florida is sending the message, >>>> "If you're promised money by our boosters and they back out of the deal, >>>> then you don't have to play here."

NIL collectives are problematic to say the least. And yes that includes my >>> school’s. Is there any power conference school that doesn’t have one? >>>

VANDERBILT?

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2022/11/22/vanderbilt-nil-anchor-collective-announces-launch/69670542007/

Thanks for the link. I only threw Vandy out there because of its small
size and academics. I wonder if some schools will pull the plug on
football due to the financial aspects really getting out of hand. Also,
when will we start to see financial malfeasance with some of these NIL cooperatives?

Side note: SEC undergrad enrollments


UNIVERSITY UNDERGRADUATE ENROLLMENT
Texas A&M 47,093
Florida 33,720
Alabama 30,752
Missouri 27,654
Georgia 26,882
LSU 25,572
South Carolina 24,180
Kentucky 22,223
Arkansas 21,836
Tennessee 21,664
Auburn 20,629
Ole Miss 18,101
Mississippi State 16,536
Vanderbilt 6,851

Surprised to see UT being so small. Numbers are CA 2016.
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On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 10:37:39 PM UTC-6, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:

Why is this a problem? Because there isn't supposed to be a direct connection between the schools and NIL deals (or at least, there isn't supposed to be any "quid pro quo" between a booster signing someone to an NIL deal and the school, that might

smack of the school paying for part of it in some way) - but it seems that Florida is sending the message, "If you're promised money by our boosters and they back out of the deal, then you don't have to play here."

But the state of Florida specifically prohibits such a direct arrangement with the player and the school in NIL dealings. That has to go through a collective.

They all have to go through some third party like a collective - otherwise it's treated as the school paying the player, and the player becomes ineligible immediately. The question they're going to ask in Indianapolis is, does Florida have any sort of

connection with the collective that led them to tear up the letter of intent?

Every school does. Thats not why they tore up the letter of intent(has nothing to do with it), but everyone knows every school is
involved in steering their main collective. And nothing is going to be done about it.

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On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 5:19:57 PM UTC-6, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:

QB Jaden Rashada, who originally committed to Miami before signing an NLI with Florida, has been released from his letter of intent - because a promised NIL deal with the Florida Gators Collective, reportedly worth around $13 million, fell through.

Why is this a problem? Because there isn't supposed to be a direct connection between the schools and NIL deals (or at least, there isn't supposed to be any "quid pro quo" between a booster signing someone to an NIL deal and the s

chool, that might smack of the school paying for part of it in some way) - but it seems that Florida is sending the message, "If you're promised money by our boosters and they back out of the deal, then you don't have to play here."

regardless of what went down, florida did the right thing by that point to release him from his letter of intent. Would have been even worse
florida's image had they not amongst future recruits. That was a no brainer.

Also, even if they hadn't, Rashad was never going to play for florida at that point. So the "then you don't have to play here" was a non-starter from the go. He just would have used his transfer. He didn't want to do that because.....well, why use it
when they will let you out? So it's not like florida was going to keep him anyways....it was just a question for florida of how bad is the image hit going to be.

Also, of course there 'isn't supposed to be a direct connection between the schools and NIL deals'.....but of course there is. That's pretty
damn obvious. How would the collectives even know who to offer the money to if there wasn't some untraceable channel to the HC and school to let them know what players they want. That seems obvious. Just like with the 'no pay for play/recruiting
enticement' slogan, we all know what NIL was going to become was NOT some legitimate business paying a player to advertise for them(have we even seen much of that outside the bryce young example with dr pepper lol) but rather ways to just pay players and
it have nothing to do
with marketing, advertising, NIL, etc.....

we all knew these two things going in- that NIL was going to be used to pay high school players to commit, and that NIL was going to
be used as 'pay for play' to pay current players and that it would have nothing to do with advertising or marketing for a product or business. Because the reality is outside of a few marketable players, there is no market for that. And certainly not at
the level the players would want to be paid. What there is a market for is really good college football players to perform on the field and excite/satisfy the donors and fan base....and thats what you are paying for. Everytime someone throws out one of
these "well if a pizza place wants to pay johnny to do a commercial....." Lol, no, just stop.

And there is nothing the NCAA can or will be able to do about it.

The players are still getting screwed of course. They shouldn't be getting paid from what will essentially be new and more limited money(in the form of collectives having to raise more money from donors). They should be paid, of course, from things
like that tv deal the bigten just signed. Right now the schools and conferences are perfectly happy to go along with this 'nil charade' because they get to keep the money as is. Sure some donors may decide to give less to the university or a building
fund because they reckon that they will divert some of that to a collective, but still the lions share of the money they still don't have to share with the labor. Which is of course want their goal is all along.

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Also, of course there 'isn't supposed to be a direct connection between the schools and NIL deals'.....but of course there is. That's pretty
damn obvious. How would the collectives even know who to offer the money to if there wasn't some untraceable channel to the HC and school to let them know what players they want.

That's not exactly what I mean by "no direct connection between the schools and the collectives." What I mean is, the collectives can't receive any benefits from the school in exchange for offering the deals - and as far as I can tell, none do, as pretty
much every collective is just a bunch of fans wanting to get the best players for their team regardless of the cost.
Besides, it doesn't have to be "untraceable"; a school can openly say, "We have our eye on Player X," and a collective can make him an NIL offer (assuming it's legal to offer recruits that haven't signed yet offers; I think some states don't allow that),
and as long as the collective isn't getting anything from the school, nobody is breaking any rules. The only thing the NCAA is really worried about is money somehow getting from the schools to the players.

we all knew these two things going in- that NIL was going to be used to pay high school players to commit, and that NIL was going to
be used as 'pay for play' to pay current players and that it would have nothing to do with advertising or marketing for a product or business.

I wouldn't say "nothing," but you're right; the marketing potential is mostly a bonus, unless some of the collectives think they can sign some sort of deal that would last into the athletes' pro careers, although that might be breaking the "no
professional agents" rule that I'm pretty sure still exists in the NCAA.

And there is nothing the NCAA can or will be able to do about it.

It would if it could - it pretty much singlehandedly ruined the men's basketball program at USF to the point where it calls itself "San Francisco" now, because of a booster paying an athlete for a "no-show job" - but the Supreme Court says otherwise.

The players are still getting screwed of course. They shouldn't be getting paid from what will essentially be new and more limited money(in the form of collectives having to raise more money from donors). They should be paid, of course, from things

like that tv deal the bigten just signed.

The schools don't have a choice. If you pay a football player, then you had better be paying your women's volleyball players THE SAME THING - either that, or half of the people on your football staff (including athletes) had better be women, unless the
school wants to give back all of its federal grant and aid money. Despite what some people here claim, Title IX is VERY constitutional and VERY enforceable.

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