• I've seen all georgia's sec games this year.....

    From michael anderson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 17:03:47 2023
    This TCU team slots somewhere between Mississippi State(not as
    good as them) and auburn(better than them, at least this year)......

    this was *never* going to be a game. Georgia is out there just laughing.....like this is a freaking scrimmage or something.

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to miande...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 9 20:35:21 2023
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:03:49 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    This TCU team slots somewhere between Mississippi State(not as
    good as them) and auburn(better than them, at least this year)......

    this was *never* going to be a game. Georgia is out there just laughing.....like this is a freaking scrimmage or something.

    Because it basically was. Someone has to explain the Ohio State semifinal.

    Because, otherwise, this team WAS 14 better than anybody.

    Mike

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  • From joe@mich.com@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Tue Jan 10 09:37:33 2023
    On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 20:35:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Falkner <darkstar7646@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:03:49 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    This TCU team slots somewhere between Mississippi State(not as
    good as them) and auburn(better than them, at least this year)......

    this was *never* going to be a game. Georgia is out there just laughing.....like this is a freaking scrimmage or something.

    Because it basically was. Someone has to explain the Ohio State semifinal.

    Because, otherwise, this team WAS 14 better than anybody.

    My opinion on that game is GA was full of themselves and took Ohio Sate too lightly. All season long the players said they had
    better talent than the other team, and OSU had just come off a 22 point loss. Couple that attitude with the OSU quarterback having
    a carreer day, plus GA gfting a TD to OSU, and GA digs a big hole. In the 4th quarter Bennett told the team it wasn't too late and it was time to get
    the job done. And, in the 4th quarter, GA got 200 of their offense yards and 18 pts, while OSU got about 80 yards and 3 pts. When GA got motivated in
    the 4th quarter, they played like GA. Almost wasn't enough, OSU did get a FG pot shot, but GA did keep him out of his reliable range.

    OSU had a very good team, but if that game were replayed, I think it would be another 20+ loss.

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  • From Irish Mike@21:1/5 to j...@mich.com on Sun Jan 15 21:54:16 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:37:38 AM UTC-5, j...@mich.com wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 20:35:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:03:49 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote: >> This TCU team slots somewhere between Mississippi State(not as
    good as them) and auburn(better than them, at least this year)......

    this was *never* going to be a game. Georgia is out there just laughing.....like this is a freaking scrimmage or something.

    Because it basically was. Someone has to explain the Ohio State semifinal.

    Because, otherwise, this team WAS 14 better than anybody.
    My opinion on that game is GA was full of themselves and took Ohio Sate too lightly. All season long the players said they had
    better talent than the other team, and OSU had just come off a 22 point loss. Couple that attitude with the OSU quarterback having
    a carreer day, plus GA gfting a TD to OSU, and GA digs a big hole. In the 4th quarter Bennett told the team it wasn't too late and it was time to get
    the job done. And, in the 4th quarter, GA got 200 of their offense yards and 18 pts, while OSU got about 80 yards and 3 pts. When GA got motivated in
    the 4th quarter, they played like GA. Almost wasn't enough, OSU did get a FG pot shot, but GA did keep him out of his reliable range.

    OSU had a very good team, but if that game were replayed, I think it would be another 20+ loss.

    Georgia won because the Refs did not throw a flag on their blatant targeting penalty on an Ohio State player in the in zone. Had Georgia been given the penalty
    they deserved - game over - Buckeyes win.

    Irish Mike

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  • From joe@mich.com@21:1/5 to Irish Mike on Mon Jan 16 08:36:47 2023
    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 21:54:16 -0800 (PST), Irish Mike <irishranger317@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:37:38 AM UTC-5, j...@mich.com wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 20:35:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:03:49 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> This TCU team slots somewhere between Mississippi State(not as
    good as them) and auburn(better than them, at least this year)......

    this was *never* going to be a game. Georgia is out there just laughing.....like this is a freaking scrimmage or something.

    Because it basically was. Someone has to explain the Ohio State semifinal. >> >
    Because, otherwise, this team WAS 14 better than anybody.
    My opinion on that game is GA was full of themselves and took Ohio Sate too lightly. All season long the players said they had
    better talent than the other team, and OSU had just come off a 22 point loss. Couple that attitude with the OSU quarterback having
    a carreer day, plus GA gfting a TD to OSU, and GA digs a big hole. In the 4th quarter Bennett told the team it wasn't too late and it was time to get
    the job done. And, in the 4th quarter, GA got 200 of their offense yards and 18 pts, while OSU got about 80 yards and 3 pts. When GA got motivated in
    the 4th quarter, they played like GA. Almost wasn't enough, OSU did get a FG pot shot, but GA did keep him out of his reliable range.

    OSU had a very good team, but if that game were replayed, I think it would be another 20+ loss.

    Georgia won because the Refs did not throw a flag on their blatant targeting >penalty on an Ohio State player in the in zone. Had Georgia been given the penalty
    they deserved - game over - Buckeyes win.

    So you're saying Ohio State couldn't win on the field by earning a first down and needed referee help by calling a penalty? A penalty that did not
    affect the result of the of the play in question?

    One can argue that there were questionable calls and non-calls on both teams, but maybe Ohio State fans will feel better if they think of that one
    play they're obsessed with as karma for the cheezy championship OSU "won" in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl. That ref call DID change the result of the play.

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  • From Irish Mike@21:1/5 to j...@mich.com on Mon Jan 16 08:28:33 2023
    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 8:36:53 AM UTC-5, j...@mich.com wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 21:54:16 -0800 (PST), Irish Mike <irishra...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:37:38 AM UTC-5, j...@mich.com wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 20:35:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:03:49 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
    This TCU team slots somewhere between Mississippi State(not as
    good as them) and auburn(better than them, at least this year)......

    this was *never* going to be a game. Georgia is out there just laughing.....like this is a freaking scrimmage or something.

    Because it basically was. Someone has to explain the Ohio State semifinal.

    Because, otherwise, this team WAS 14 better than anybody.
    My opinion on that game is GA was full of themselves and took Ohio Sate too lightly. All season long the players said they had
    better talent than the other team, and OSU had just come off a 22 point loss. Couple that attitude with the OSU quarterback having
    a carreer day, plus GA gfting a TD to OSU, and GA digs a big hole. In the 4th quarter Bennett told the team it wasn't too late and it was time to get
    the job done. And, in the 4th quarter, GA got 200 of their offense yards and 18 pts, while OSU got about 80 yards and 3 pts. When GA got motivated in
    the 4th quarter, they played like GA. Almost wasn't enough, OSU did get a FG pot shot, but GA did keep him out of his reliable range.

    OSU had a very good team, but if that game were replayed, I think it would be another 20+ loss.

    Georgia won because the Refs did not throw a flag on their blatant targeting >penalty on an Ohio State player in the in zone. Had Georgia been given the penalty
    they deserved - game over - Buckeyes win.

    So you're saying Ohio State couldn't win on the field by earning a first down

    No, I'm saying the Georgia player blatantly and intentionally targeted the Ohio State player.
    He gave the OSU player a concussion and it took him out for the rest
    of the game. Had the Refs called the penalty Georgia deserved Ohio
    State wins. Period. But, in fairness, the Buckeyes were beating Georgia
    at the half and should have just finished them off. Also, OSU had
    them at the end but missed a winning field goal. Georgia lucked out
    and beat a cup cake TCU team to win the national championship.

    Irish Mike

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Irish Mike on Mon Jan 16 13:34:41 2023
    On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 9:54:18 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:

    Georgia won because the Refs did not throw a flag on their blatant targeting penalty on an Ohio State player in the in zone. Had Georgia been given the penalty
    they deserved - game over - Buckeyes win.

    Anybody got a vid on that one?

    Mike

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  • From The NOTBCS Guy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 16 15:51:18 2023
    Georgia won because the Refs did not throw a flag on their blatant targeting
    penalty on an Ohio State player in the in zone. Had Georgia been given the penalty
    they deserved - game over - Buckeyes win.
    Anybody got a vid on that one?

    Here you go:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWcXolN0W_w

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to The NOTBCS Guy on Mon Jan 16 19:38:50 2023
    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-8, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Georgia won because the Refs did not throw a flag on their blatant targeting
    penalty on an Ohio State player in the in zone. Had Georgia been given the penalty
    they deserved - game over - Buckeyes win.
    Anybody got a vid on that one?
    Here you go:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWcXolN0W_w

    Faint all you want -- Irish Mike is right on the money here.

    But why would you rig that blatantly unless you're basically trying to END the College Football Playoff, rather than expand it?

    Mike

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  • From Irish Mike@21:1/5 to The NOTBCS Guy on Mon Jan 16 19:30:57 2023
    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:51:20 PM UTC-5, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Georgia won because the Refs did not throw a flag on their blatant targeting
    penalty on an Ohio State player in the in zone. Had Georgia been given the penalty
    they deserved - game over - Buckeyes win.
    Anybody got a vid on that one?
    Here you go:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWcXolN0W_w

    Thank you. If the targeting penalty had been called, OSU is
    first and goal. Buckeyes win. Period. And how any one
    could look at that helment to helment contact and not
    call targeting is just unbelievable. Especially when the
    OSU player was out for the rest of the game with a concussion.

    Irish Mike

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Irish Mike on Mon Jan 16 19:41:38 2023
    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 7:30:59 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:

    Thank you. If the targeting penalty had been called, OSU is
    first and goal. Buckeyes win. Period. And how any one
    could look at that helment to helment contact and not
    call targeting is just unbelievable. Especially when the
    OSU player was out for the rest of the game with a concussion.

    ESPN wanted to protect THE One Dominant Team.

    Mike

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  • From joe@mich.com@21:1/5 to Irish Mike on Tue Jan 17 10:29:53 2023
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 19:30:57 -0800 (PST), Irish Mike <irishranger317@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:51:20 PM UTC-5, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Georgia won because the Refs did not throw a flag on their blatant targeting
    penalty on an Ohio State player in the in zone. Had Georgia been given the penalty
    they deserved - game over - Buckeyes win.
    Anybody got a vid on that one?
    Here you go:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWcXolN0W_w

    Thank you. If the targeting penalty had been called, OSU is
    first and goal. Buckeyes win. Period. And how any one
    could look at that helment to helment contact and not
    call targeting is just unbelievable. Especially when the
    OSU player was out for the rest of the game with a concussion.


    Targeting is quite subjective. The rule is defined as leading with the helmet to make forcible contact. Targeting is not
    helmet to helmet or above the shoulder contact, regardless of how hard. If you look at that video frame by frame, it
    appears the GA player was leading by his shoulder and made contact with Harrison's shoulder first. People will see what they want to see.
    OSU fans see targeting, non OSU fans see a clean hard hit. I'm not an OSU fan. Because targeting is such a subjective call, it's the
    only penalty that can be reviewed where it is seen from multiple angles and in in slow motion.

    If you're going to say this subjective non-call could have changed the outcome, there were at least two expired play clocks and two
    false starts that were not called on OSU that allowed them to keep drives going. Without these non-calls, it would have been a different game.
    The OSU fake punt play had 12 men on the field, not called. Fortunately the GA coach called timeout because the refs gave OSU a first down.
    There is also all the holding OSU got away with. The Georgia players complained all game about the holding.

    There were calls and non-calls that benefitted and hurt both teams. Regardless, game is over, and if you want to think OSU was robbed by one play,
    as i said,think of it as karma.

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to j...@mich.com on Tue Jan 17 19:39:49 2023
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:29:58 AM UTC-8, j...@mich.com wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 19:30:57 -0800 (PST), Irish Mike <irishra...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:51:20 PM UTC-5, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Georgia won because the Refs did not throw a flag on their blatant targeting
    penalty on an Ohio State player in the in zone. Had Georgia been given the penalty
    they deserved - game over - Buckeyes win.
    Anybody got a vid on that one?
    Here you go:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWcXolN0W_w

    Thank you. If the targeting penalty had been called, OSU is
    first and goal. Buckeyes win. Period. And how any one
    could look at that helment to helment contact and not
    call targeting is just unbelievable. Especially when the
    OSU player was out for the rest of the game with a concussion.


    Targeting is quite subjective. The rule is defined as leading with the helmet to make forcible contact.

    Actually, it's any forcible above the shoulder contact which is deemed non-incidental. The helmet is not necessary. Leading with the helmet to make forcible contact is another thing entirely, and maybe it'd be better if the old term were used:
    Spearing.

    Mike

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  • From joe@mich.com@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Wed Jan 18 09:28:51 2023
    On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 19:39:49 -0800 (PST), Michael Falkner <darkstar7646@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:29:58 AM UTC-8, j...@mich.com wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 19:30:57 -0800 (PST), Irish Mike <irishra...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:51:20 PM UTC-5, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Georgia won because the Refs did not throw a flag on their blatant targeting
    penalty on an Ohio State player in the in zone. Had Georgia been given the penalty
    they deserved - game over - Buckeyes win.
    Anybody got a vid on that one?
    Here you go:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWcXolN0W_w

    Thank you. If the targeting penalty had been called, OSU is
    first and goal. Buckeyes win. Period. And how any one
    could look at that helment to helment contact and not
    call targeting is just unbelievable. Especially when the
    OSU player was out for the rest of the game with a concussion.


    Targeting is quite subjective. The rule is defined as leading with the helmet to make forcible contact.

    Actually, it's any forcible above the shoulder contact which is deemed non-incidental. The helmet is not necessary. Leading with the helmet to make forcible contact is another thing entirely, and maybe it'd be better if the old term were used:
    Spearing.

    Yes. From the rule book -

    ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at
    least one indicator of targeting

    ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist,
    elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting.

    Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal
    tackle or a legal block or playing the ball.

    An NCAA offical said many fans are confused about hard hits and helmet to helmet contact. If a player leads with his shoulder and hits the oppponent
    in the shoulder or chest, and their helmets collide hard, that is not targeting.

    Marvin Harrison himself called it “just a regular hit” and tried to go back in the game.

    The receiver had stepped out of bounds and came back in and was the first player to touch the ball. Should have been immediately flagged. Had he
    caught the ball it would have been a ruled touchdown. The targeting call drew attention elsewhere, and had that call not been overturned, the
    touchdown would have stood since it wasn't flagged at the time, play is over, that penalty is not reviewable, and OSU would have won the game on
    another drive assisted by a non-call. Since targeting was overturned, OSU should have been penalized 5 yards and loss of down.

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  • From The NOTBCS Guy@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 18 09:46:45 2023
    Actually, it's any forcible above the shoulder contact which is deemed non-incidental. The helmet is not necessary. Leading with the helmet to make forcible contact is another thing entirely, and maybe it'd be better if the old term were used:
    Spearing.
    Yes. From the rule book -

    ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at
    least one indicator of targeting

    ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist,
    elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting.

    Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal
    tackle or a legal block or playing the ball.

    An NCAA offical said many fans are confused about hard hits and helmet to helmet contact. If a player leads with his shoulder and hits the oppponent
    in the shoulder or chest, and their helmets collide hard, that is not targeting.

    Marvin Harrison himself called it “just a regular hit” and tried to go back in the game.

    The receiver had stepped out of bounds and came back in and was the first player to touch the ball. Should have been immediately flagged. Had he
    caught the ball it would have been a ruled touchdown. The targeting call drew attention elsewhere, and had that call not been overturned, the
    touchdown would have stood since it wasn't flagged at the time, play is over, that penalty is not reviewable, and OSU would have won the game on
    another drive assisted by a non-call. Since targeting was overturned, OSU should have been penalized 5 yards and loss of down.

    Another thing you have to note, from the rule book, is that the replay official cannot say, "The video is Inconclusive, so the call on the field stands"; if there is no evidence of an indicator of targeting, the targeting call must be overturned. I am
    under the impression that the on-field officials are told, "When in doubt, call targeting," and the replay officials are told, "When in doubt, it is not targeting."

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to The NOTBCS Guy on Wed Jan 18 11:15:23 2023
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:46:48 AM UTC-8, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:

    Another thing you have to note, from the rule book, is that the replay official cannot say, "The video is Inconclusive, so the call on the field stands"; if there is no evidence of an indicator of targeting, the targeting call must be overturned. I am
    under the impression that the on-field officials are told, "When in doubt, call targeting," and the replay officials are told, "When in doubt, it is not targeting."

    And, as you well know and stated here when the decision was made, that was a rule change.

    Mike

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  • From Eric Ramon@21:1/5 to j...@mich.com on Wed Jan 18 12:16:04 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:37:38 AM UTC-8, j...@mich.com wrote:

    My opinion on that game is GA was full of themselves and took Ohio Sate too lightly. All season long the players said they had
    better talent than the other team, and OSU had just come off a 22 point loss. Couple that attitude with the OSU quarterback having
    a carreer day, plus GA gfting a TD to OSU, and GA digs a big hole. In the 4th quarter Bennett told the team it wasn't too late and it was time to get
    the job done. And, in the 4th quarter, GA got 200 of their offense yards and 18 pts, while OSU got about 80 yards and 3 pts. When GA got motivated in
    the 4th quarter, they played like GA. Almost wasn't enough, OSU did get a FG pot shot, but GA did keep him out of his reliable range.

    OSU had a very good team, but if that game were replayed, I think it would be another 20+ loss.

    I'm not going to disagree with any of these points you make but you have to admit that it's humorous coming from someone with a "mich.com" address.

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