Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times
and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower
center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
--
“I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, liberal personality.” — Altie
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok
physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times
and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower
center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings
which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok
physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times >>> and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower
center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that >>> was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh >>> well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings >>> which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy >>> why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to >> get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
one dealer with the same car.
oh gosh I hope not. I'm actually emailing them to see if they can overnight the papers for me to sign. Or just fax them? I really don't want to have to get on a plane just to pick up a car and drive it back. If I do that I can just pay to have itshipped back. I'm just going to bank wire them the cash
for it anyways so there aren't any credit/financing paperwork to deal with if that makes a difference. It seems like in 2023 one shouldn't have to *physically be there* to buy a car.
An hour or so ago I sent a pic to my sister and she said "oh gosh Michael that's so trashy looking" lol....so perhaps it fits me.
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok >>>> physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times >>>> and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a >>>> big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower
center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that >>>> was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't >>>> cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we >>>> are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh >>>> well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings >>>> which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy >>>> why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally >>> invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
one dealer with the same car.
Of course. But once you’re there the odds of something else “coming up” when they know you traveled a long distance to get there and don’t want to leave without it…
On 2023-01-09, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok >>>> physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times >>>> and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a >>>> big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower >>>> center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also >>>> have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I >>>> have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't >>>> really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't >>>> cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we >>>> are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings >>>> which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
one dealer with the same car.
Of course. But once you’re there the odds of something else “coming up”I've invented dealers that were just the next town over...
when they know you traveled a long distance to get there and don’t want to
leave without it…
--
I used to think the whole world stank. Then I found out I had poop
on my mustache. -- Anonymous
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:35:14 AM UTC-5, miande...@gmail.com wrote:shipped back. I'm just going to bank wire them the cash
oh gosh I hope not. I'm actually emailing them to see if they can overnight the papers for me to sign. Or just fax them? I really don't want to have to get on a plane just to pick up a car and drive it back. If I do that I can just pay to have it
for it anyways so there aren't any credit/financing paperwork to deal with if that makes a difference. It seems like in 2023 one shouldn't have to *physically be there* to buy a car.
An hour or so ago I sent a pic to my sister and she said "oh gosh Michael that's so trashy looking" lol....so perhaps it fits me.Your sister is rong. The CT5 is a beautiful car, though if performance isn't your thing,
why spend the extra dough for the Blackwing?
Wish my [former] employer would build such a car, but it's all S/CUVs these days.
-TE
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok
physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times >> and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower
center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that >> was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we >> are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh >> well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings >> which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy >> why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
one dealer with the same car.
--
It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams
because they grow old, they grow old because they
stop pursuing dreams. -- Gabriel Garcia Marquez
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok
physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times >> >> and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower
center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that >> >> was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we >> >> are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh >> >> well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings >> >> which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy >> >> why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally >> > invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across
the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90%
of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of
them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which
leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a
way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So
that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled
at 3 with them.
When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati, Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with
an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes, pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an hour.
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
-- Mark Twain
On 2023-01-09, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok >> >> physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times
and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a >> >> big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower >> >> center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also >> >> have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I >> >> have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't >> >> really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't >> >> cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings
which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across
the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90%
of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of
them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which
leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a
way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So
that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled
at 3 with them.
When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati, Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with
an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes, pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an hour.
--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
-- Mark Twain
On 2023-01-09, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
leave without it…
I've invented dealers that were just the next town over...
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-09, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati,
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok >>>>>> physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times >>>>>> and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a >>>>>> big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower >>>>>> center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also >>>>>> have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I >>>>>> have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't >>>>>> really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my >>>>>> family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't >>>>>> cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we >>>>>> are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh >>>>>> well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings >>>>>> which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally >>>>> invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across
the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90%
of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of
them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which
leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a
way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So
that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled
at 3 with them.
Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with
an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that
said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes, >> pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an
hour.
well sure, like I said I doubt there was a jaguar model in 2017 that had such limited availability vs high demand. Your strategy is
fine/good if it's a situation where the other dealers can believe all those cars actually exist and are not spoken for.
On 1/9/2023 8:55 PM, michael anderson wrote:
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-09, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati,
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok >>>>>>> physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times >>>>>>> and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the >>>>>>> impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a >>>>>>> big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower >>>>>>> center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy..... >>>>>>>
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also >>>>>>> have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I >>>>>>> have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't >>>>>>> really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my >>>>>>> family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't >>>>>>> cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we >>>>>>> are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings >>>>>>> which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the >>>>>>> equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across
the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90%
of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of
them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which
leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a
way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So
that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled
at 3 with them.
Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with >>> an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that >>> said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes, >>> pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an >>> hour.
well sure, like I said I doubt there was a jaguar model in 2017 that had such limited availability vs high demand. Your strategy is
fine/good if it's a situation where the other dealers can believe all those cars actually exist and are not spoken for.
I think he just called you a liar.
On 2023-01-10, leonard hofstatder <n....@comcast.net> wrote:
On 1/9/2023 8:55 PM, michael anderson wrote:
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-09, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati, >>> Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with >>> an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok
physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times
and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the >>>>>>> impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower >>>>>>> center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy..... >>>>>>>
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also >>>>>>> have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I >>>>>>> have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my >>>>>>> family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings
which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the >>>>>>> equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends. >>>>>>
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across
the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90%
of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of
them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which
leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a >>>> way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So
that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled
at 3 with them.
said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes,
pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an >>> hour.
well sure, like I said I doubt there was a jaguar model in 2017 that had such limited availability vs high demand. Your strategy is
fine/good if it's a situation where the other dealers can believe all those cars actually exist and are not spoken for.
I think he just called you a liar.
Not really. The cars were not in short supply.
But it goes to show what you do when you set your sights on something
that is rare and *you don't communicate that you can take it or leave
it*. I don't go into situations where I *need* something, in general.
If I do need it I frame the conversation such that this need is not
apparent to the seller. Sometimes I don't get the thing I *need* and
have to take something different. But I don't overpay.
--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
-- Mark Twain
So in a few days when it is delivered to me I will officially be 'white trash'. (cue the jokes about how I have always beenr) you would be lucky to get for 15k over msrp. So that affects the calculations a lot.....
that and a car doesn't change it lol)
I will say though that what is 'overpaying' and what is not is really subjective. Thats because a lot of times the msrp on a car just
doesn't make any sense and is wrong(either too high or too low). Likewise when people talk about depreciation
and resale value.
Like everyone says certain types of cars have very poor resale value vs others. And I sad some idiot on a forum say the resale
value of the honda civic type r is incredible. Well.....the problem with that is what price are you calculating as the sold price? A lot of these formulas use msrp....which is dumb. Because some cars you can get 8k off msrp and some cars(like the civic
--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
-- Mark Twain
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:49:41 AM UTC-6, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
civic r) you would be lucky to get for 15k over msrp. So that affects the calculations a lot.....So in a few days when it is delivered to me I will officially be 'white trash'. (cue the jokes about how I have always been
that and a car doesn't change it lol)
I will say though that what is 'overpaying' and what is not is really subjective. Thats because a lot of times the msrp on a car just
doesn't make any sense and is wrong(either too high or too low). Likewise when people talk about depreciation
and resale value.
Like everyone says certain types of cars have very poor resale value vs others. And I sad some idiot on a forum say the resale
value of the honda civic type r is incredible. Well.....the problem with that is what price are you calculating as the sold price? A lot of these formulas use msrp....which is dumb. Because some cars you can get 8k off msrp and some cars(like the
Piss on all the second guessing penny pinchers. The markup in any auto is enough to make fools of us all.--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
-- Mark Twain
I went looking around and it's common to see like a 2016 honda civic with 95k miles being listed for like 19k. Like....what? 7 years old and almost 100k miles and they want
like 75% of the new price?
So to me I would argue that at least relative to used car prices, new car prices aren't high enough if anything.
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:13:27 AM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-10, leonard hofstatder <n....@comcast.net> wrote:
On 1/9/2023 8:55 PM, michael anderson wrote:Not really. The cars were not in short supply.
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-09, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati,
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok
physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times
and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower >> >>>>>>> center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also >> >>>>>>> have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I >> >>>>>>> have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my >> >>>>>>> family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings
which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across
the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90%
of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of
them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which
leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a
way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So
that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled
at 3 with them.
Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with >> >>> an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that
said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes,
pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an >> >>> hour.
well sure, like I said I doubt there was a jaguar model in 2017 that had such limited availability vs high demand. Your strategy is
fine/good if it's a situation where the other dealers can believe all those cars actually exist and are not spoken for.
I think he just called you a liar.
But it goes to show what you do when you set your sights on something
that is rare and *you don't communicate that you can take it or leave
it*. I don't go into situations where I *need* something, in general.
If I do need it I frame the conversation such that this need is not
apparent to the seller. Sometimes I don't get the thing I *need* and
have to take something different. But I don't overpay.
thats a good strategy. And regarding this blackwing, I am fortunate to get it at msrp when the other
ten or so across the country are all being listed with dealer adjustments(except for one other that is spec'd with carbon brakes
and stuff)
So in a few days when it is delivered to me I will officially be
'white trash'. (cue the jokes about how I have always been that and
a car doesn't change it lol)
I will say though that what is 'overpaying' and what is not is
really subjective. Thats because a lot of times the msrp on a car
just doesn't make any sense and is wrong(either too high or too
low). Likewise when people talk about depreciation and resale value.
Like everyone says certain types of cars have very poor resale
value vs others. And I sad some idiot on a forum say the resale
value of the honda civic type r is incredible. Well.....the problem
with that is what price are you calculating as the sold price? A
lot of these formulas use msrp....which is dumb. Because some cars
you can get 8k off msrp and some cars(like the civic r) you would
be lucky to get for 15k over msrp. So that affects the calculations
a lot.....
On 2023-01-10, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:13:27 AM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-10, leonard hofstatder <n....@comcast.net> wrote:
On 1/9/2023 8:55 PM, michael anderson wrote:Not really. The cars were not in short supply.
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-09, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati, >> >>> Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok
physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times
and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the >> >>>>>>> impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower
center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy..... >> >>>>>>>
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings
which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the >> >>>>>>> equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends. >> >>>>>>
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across
the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90% >> >>>> of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of >> >>>> them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which >> >>>> leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a >> >>>> way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So
that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled >> >>>> at 3 with them.
an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that
said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes,
pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an
hour.
well sure, like I said I doubt there was a jaguar model in 2017 that had such limited availability vs high demand. Your strategy is
fine/good if it's a situation where the other dealers can believe all those cars actually exist and are not spoken for.
I think he just called you a liar.
But it goes to show what you do when you set your sights on something
that is rare and *you don't communicate that you can take it or leave
it*. I don't go into situations where I *need* something, in general.
If I do need it I frame the conversation such that this need is not
apparent to the seller. Sometimes I don't get the thing I *need* and
have to take something different. But I don't overpay.
thats a good strategy. And regarding this blackwing, I am fortunate to get it at msrp when the other
ten or so across the country are all being listed with dealer adjustments(except for one other that is spec'd with carbon brakes
and stuff)
So in a few days when it is delivered to me I will officially be
'white trash'. (cue the jokes about how I have always been that and
a car doesn't change it lol)
I will say though that what is 'overpaying' and what is not is
really subjective. Thats because a lot of times the msrp on a car
just doesn't make any sense and is wrong(either too high or too
low). Likewise when people talk about depreciation and resale value.
Like everyone says certain types of cars have very poor resaleIf a car has a lot of depreciation off the showroom floor that means
value vs others. And I sad some idiot on a forum say the resale
value of the honda civic type r is incredible. Well.....the problem
with that is what price are you calculating as the sold price? A
lot of these formulas use msrp....which is dumb. Because some cars
you can get 8k off msrp and some cars(like the civic r) you would
be lucky to get for 15k over msrp. So that affects the calculations
a lot.....
you should buy used ones with very low miles. I did this for years
with the Mercury Grand Marquis, which had the largest amount of off-the-showroom-floor depreciation of any car. Which made it a steal
as a low-mileage used car. To top it off, they depreciated slowly
after that due to its suitability as a livery car and high demand
overseas. My biggest coup was buying one with 15,000 miles for
$15,000 ($30,800 new price). I drove it until it had 91,000 and sold
it for $9500.
--
Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two and we'll talk.
-- unknown
metal, plastic, and mass produced parts. They make the same basic body styles for at least four years in a row.I went looking around and it's common to see like a 2016 honda civic with 95k miles being listed for like 19k. Like....what? 7 years old and almost 100k miles and they want
like 75% of the new price?
So to me I would argue that at least relative to used car prices, new car prices aren't high enough if anything.When you consider the cost of the raw materials used to make a car and they turn out one like every ten minutes... Hell yeah there's a ton of markup in new vehicles. What do you think it costs to produce a 60k pickup? Maybe 20k at best? Molded sheet
How much does it cost to make a standard CT-5 caddy at 50k vs the blackwing at 100k. I doubt it's 10k difference.
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:52:57 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-10, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:13:27 AM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:If a car has a lot of depreciation off the showroom floor that means
On 2023-01-10, leonard hofstatder <n....@comcast.net> wrote:
On 1/9/2023 8:55 PM, michael anderson wrote:Not really. The cars were not in short supply.
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-09, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati, >> >> >>> Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok
physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times
and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the >> >> >>>>>>> impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower
center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy..... >> >> >>>>>>>
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings
which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the >> >> >>>>>>> equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends. >> >> >>>>>>
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across
the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90% >> >> >>>> of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of >> >> >>>> them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which >> >> >>>> leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a >> >> >>>> way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So
that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled >> >> >>>> at 3 with them.
an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that
said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes,
pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an
hour.
well sure, like I said I doubt there was a jaguar model in 2017 that had such limited availability vs high demand. Your strategy is
fine/good if it's a situation where the other dealers can believe all those cars actually exist and are not spoken for.
I think he just called you a liar.
But it goes to show what you do when you set your sights on something
that is rare and *you don't communicate that you can take it or leave
it*. I don't go into situations where I *need* something, in general.
If I do need it I frame the conversation such that this need is not
apparent to the seller. Sometimes I don't get the thing I *need* and
have to take something different. But I don't overpay.
thats a good strategy. And regarding this blackwing, I am fortunate to get it at msrp when the other
ten or so across the country are all being listed with dealer
adjustments(except for one other that is spec'd with carbon brakes
and stuff)
So in a few days when it is delivered to me I will officially be
'white trash'. (cue the jokes about how I have always been that and
a car doesn't change it lol)
I will say though that what is 'overpaying' and what is not is
really subjective. Thats because a lot of times the msrp on a car
just doesn't make any sense and is wrong(either too high or too
low). Likewise when people talk about depreciation and resale value.
Like everyone says certain types of cars have very poor resale
value vs others. And I sad some idiot on a forum say the resale
value of the honda civic type r is incredible. Well.....the problem
with that is what price are you calculating as the sold price? A
lot of these formulas use msrp....which is dumb. Because some cars
you can get 8k off msrp and some cars(like the civic r) you would
be lucky to get for 15k over msrp. So that affects the calculations
a lot.....
you should buy used ones with very low miles. I did this for years
with the Mercury Grand Marquis, which had the largest amount of
off-the-showroom-floor depreciation of any car. Which made it a steal
as a low-mileage used car. To top it off, they depreciated slowly
after that due to its suitability as a livery car and high demand
overseas. My biggest coup was buying one with 15,000 miles for
$15,000 ($30,800 new price). I drove it until it had 91,000 and sold
it for $9500.
the issue though is on cars like that at the time *nobody* was
paying anything remotely close to msrp for them.
It was common to get 8-9k off msrp on certain models like
that.(there werent many that were so extreme, but that car was one
iirc). Dealer rebates alone were 4500...kickback was another 2500,
and from there you already had 7k so there was enough margin to get
to 8-9 if it wasn't selling.
My point is when you calculate the 'new price' in terms of what some
of these cars actually sold for vs what the msrp was, the
deprecation curve looks a lot more normal. You did save a lot of
money by buying one with 15k miles....but nowhere near that much
because nobody was paying anything close to that for those cars
then. My guess is that if the msrp at the time was 30.8 if you
shopped around some and were willing to travel you could have got
one for 21-22. Still a savings no doubt, but a more normal
depreciation curve than is officially lsted.
It's like that with some models like the Honda civic type r in
reverse. I'm sure I could sell a one year old model with 8k miles for
48k or whatever. Does this mean it has a 20-25% 'appreciation'? Of
course not....because you can't/couldn't buy one for 38-40k. The
reality is I would have had to pay 60 to get it......and then if sell
it for 48k a year later the depreciation curve looks fairly standard.
I'm not all saying all cars depreciate the same. They don't. What I
am saying is that when actual prices are used rather
than made up msrp prices, the depreciation curves between different
vehicles on either end of the spectrum sees the gap close a lot.
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:13:27 AM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-10, leonard hofstatder <n....@comcast.net> wrote:
On 1/9/2023 8:55 PM, michael anderson wrote:Not really. The cars were not in short supply.
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder,
unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-09, michael anderson<miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder,When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati, >>>>> Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with >>>>> an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that >>>>> said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes,
unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok >>>>>>>>> physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times
and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the >>>>>>>>> impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a >>>>>>>>> big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower >>>>>>>>> center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy..... >>>>>>>>>
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also >>>>>>>>> have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I >>>>>>>>> have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't >>>>>>>>> really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my >>>>>>>>> family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings
which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the >>>>>>>>> equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends. >>>>>>>>
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" >>>>>> for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across
the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90% >>>>>> of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of >>>>>> them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which >>>>>> leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a >>>>>> way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So
that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled >>>>>> at 3 with them.
pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an >>>>> hour.
well sure, like I said I doubt there was a jaguar model in 2017 that
had such limited availability vs high demand. Your strategy is
fine/good if it's a situation where the other dealers can believe all
those cars actually exist and are not spoken for.
I think he just called you a liar.
But it goes to show what you do when you set your sights on something
that is rare and *you don't communicate that you can take it or leave
it*. I don't go into situations where I *need* something, in general.
If I do need it I frame the conversation such that this need is not
apparent to the seller. Sometimes I don't get the thing I *need* and
have to take something different. But I don't overpay.
thats a good strategy. And regarding this blackwing, I am fortunate to
get it at msrp when the other
ten or so across the country are all being listed with dealer adjustments(except for one other that is spec'd with
carbon brakes and stuff)
So in a few days when it is delivered to me I will officially be 'white trash'. (cue the jokes about how I have always been
that and a car doesn't change it lol)
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 4:32:29 PM UTC-6, cork...@gmail.com wrote:metal, plastic, and mass produced parts. They make the same basic body styles for at least four years in a row.
I went looking around and it's common to see like a 2016 honda civic with 95k miles being listed for like 19k. Like....what? 7 years old and almost 100k miles and they wantWhen you consider the cost of the raw materials used to make a car and they turn out one like every ten minutes... Hell yeah there's a ton of markup in new vehicles. What do you think it costs to produce a 60k pickup? Maybe 20k at best? Molded sheet
like 75% of the new price?
So to me I would argue that at least relative to used car prices, new car prices aren't high enough if anything.
How much does it cost to make a standard CT-5 caddy at 50k vs the blackwing at 100k. I doubt it's 10k difference.
I don't know anything about that......I'm just lookng at current new prices vs used prices. And while the new prices may seem high, the used car market prices to me(relative to the new) are bonkers insane.
BTW, don't join AARP. They're socialists.
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Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(itwas written off) to get a big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....said "well it's 2023....we are all pretty damn old" lol......
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't cadillac sedans for really old people" and I
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), sosince I'm not really a car guy why not save the $.
We'll see.
On 1/10/2023 9:31 PM, michael anderson wrote:metal, plastic, and mass produced parts. They make the same basic body styles for at least four years in a row.
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 4:32:29 PM UTC-6, cork...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> I went looking around and it's common to see like a 2016 honda civic with 95k miles being listed for like 19k. Like....what? 7 years old and almost 100k miles and they want
like 75% of the new price?When you consider the cost of the raw materials used to make a car and they turn out one like every ten minutes... Hell yeah there's a ton of markup in new vehicles. What do you think it costs to produce a 60k pickup? Maybe 20k at best? Molded sheet
So to me I would argue that at least relative to used car prices, new car prices aren't high enough if anything.
How much does it cost to make a standard CT-5 caddy at 50k vs the blackwing at 100k. I doubt it's 10k difference.
I don't know anything about that......I'm just lookng at current new prices vs used prices. And while the new prices may seem high, the used car market prices to me(relative to the new) are bonkers insane.
BTW, don't join AARP. They're socialists.
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:13:27 AM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-10, leonard hofstatder <n....@comcast.net> wrote:
On 1/9/2023 8:55 PM, michael anderson wrote:Not really. The cars were not in short supply.
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder,
unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-09, michael anderson<miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder,When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati, >>>>> Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with
unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok
physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times
and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the >>>>>>>>> impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower
center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy..... >>>>>>>>>
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my >>>>>>>>> family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings
which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the >>>>>>>>> equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends. >>>>>>>>
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" >>>>>> for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across >>>>>> the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90% >>>>>> of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of >>>>>> them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which >>>>>> leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a >>>>>> way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So >>>>>> that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled >>>>>> at 3 with them.
an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that
said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes,
pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an
hour.
well sure, like I said I doubt there was a jaguar model in 2017 that >>>> had such limited availability vs high demand. Your strategy is
fine/good if it's a situation where the other dealers can believe all >>>> those cars actually exist and are not spoken for.
I think he just called you a liar.
But it goes to show what you do when you set your sights on something
that is rare and *you don't communicate that you can take it or leave
it*. I don't go into situations where I *need* something, in general.
If I do need it I frame the conversation such that this need is not
apparent to the seller. Sometimes I don't get the thing I *need* and
have to take something different. But I don't overpay.
thats a good strategy. And regarding this blackwing, I am fortunate to
get it at msrp when the other
ten or so across the country are all being listed with dealer adjustments(except for one other that is spec'd with
carbon brakes and stuff)
So in a few days when it is delivered to me I will officially be 'white trash'. (cue the jokes about how I have always beenI think we need to clear something up. The overpriced car that makes you “white trash” is the Dodge Challenger Hellcat (or Demon).
that and a car doesn't change it lol)
Not a Caddy, which as you already said just makes you old.
HTH
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On 2023-01-11, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:52:57 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-10, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:13:27 AM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:If a car has a lot of depreciation off the showroom floor that means
On 2023-01-10, leonard hofstatder <n....@comcast.net> wrote:
On 1/9/2023 8:55 PM, michael anderson wrote:Not really. The cars were not in short supply.
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-01-09, michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:14:58 PM UTC-6, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:When I bought my 2017 Jaguar I found 3 equivalent cars in Cincinnati,
On 2023-01-08, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:Always ask for an out-the-door price and have more than
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok
physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times
and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the
impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(it was written off) to get a
big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower
center of gravity. And I picked.....
a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also
have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I
have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that
was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't
really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my
family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't
cadillac sedans for really old people" and I said "well it's 2023....we
are all pretty damn old" lol......
Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh
well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings
which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the
equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp), so since I'm not really a car guy
why not save the $.
We'll see.
Hopefully you haven’t let the dealer know you’re traveling a long way to
get it. Or if you, pretend you’re visiting family and friends.
Because once you’re down there and they know you’re fully emotionally
invested…the add-ons and upcharges will appear.
one dealer with the same car.
with this car there is not "more than one dealer with the same car" for the most part.
It looks like there are about 10 or so currently available across >> >> >>>> the country(car buying websites show more than a hundred but > 90%
of those are already spoken for), and of those 10 blackwings, 8 of
them have varying 'dealer adjustments' which aren't trivial. Which
leaves 2 cars that supposedly don't, and 1 of those is optioned in a
way I definately don't want(carbon fiber brakes for example). So >> >> >>>> that only leaves 1....I'll know more today I have a call scheduled
at 3 with them.
Louisville, and Indianapolis. I drove 2 of them. I emailed each one with
an out-the-door price offer and told them I would take the first one that
said yes to that price. The Cincy people said yes in less than 10 minutes,
pissing off the Louisville lady who had to get her bosses OK and took an
hour.
well sure, like I said I doubt there was a jaguar model in 2017 that had such limited availability vs high demand. Your strategy is
fine/good if it's a situation where the other dealers can believe all those cars actually exist and are not spoken for.
I think he just called you a liar.
But it goes to show what you do when you set your sights on something >> >> that is rare and *you don't communicate that you can take it or leave >> >> it*. I don't go into situations where I *need* something, in general. >> >> If I do need it I frame the conversation such that this need is not
apparent to the seller. Sometimes I don't get the thing I *need* and >> >> have to take something different. But I don't overpay.
thats a good strategy. And regarding this blackwing, I am fortunate to get it at msrp when the other
ten or so across the country are all being listed with dealer
adjustments(except for one other that is spec'd with carbon brakes
and stuff)
So in a few days when it is delivered to me I will officially be
'white trash'. (cue the jokes about how I have always been that and
a car doesn't change it lol)
I will say though that what is 'overpaying' and what is not is
really subjective. Thats because a lot of times the msrp on a car
just doesn't make any sense and is wrong(either too high or too
low). Likewise when people talk about depreciation and resale value.
Like everyone says certain types of cars have very poor resale
value vs others. And I sad some idiot on a forum say the resale
value of the honda civic type r is incredible. Well.....the problem
with that is what price are you calculating as the sold price? A
lot of these formulas use msrp....which is dumb. Because some cars
you can get 8k off msrp and some cars(like the civic r) you would
be lucky to get for 15k over msrp. So that affects the calculations
a lot.....
you should buy used ones with very low miles. I did this for years
with the Mercury Grand Marquis, which had the largest amount of
off-the-showroom-floor depreciation of any car. Which made it a steal
as a low-mileage used car. To top it off, they depreciated slowly
after that due to its suitability as a livery car and high demand
overseas. My biggest coup was buying one with 15,000 miles for
$15,000 ($30,800 new price). I drove it until it had 91,000 and sold
it for $9500.
the issue though is on cars like that at the time *nobody* was
paying anything remotely close to msrp for them.
It was common to get 8-9k off msrp on certain models like
that.(there werent many that were so extreme, but that car was one
iirc). Dealer rebates alone were 4500...kickback was another 2500,
and from there you already had 7k so there was enough margin to get
to 8-9 if it wasn't selling.
My point is when you calculate the 'new price' in terms of what some
of these cars actually sold for vs what the msrp was, the
deprecation curve looks a lot more normal. You did save a lot of
money by buying one with 15k miles....but nowhere near that much
because nobody was paying anything close to that for those cars
then. My guess is that if the msrp at the time was 30.8 if you
shopped around some and were willing to travel you could have got
one for 21-22. Still a savings no doubt, but a more normal
depreciation curve than is officially lsted.
That is wrong. You would pay 27.5 K at least; I looked at them.
It's like that with some models like the Honda civic type r in
reverse. I'm sure I could sell a one year old model with 8k miles for
48k or whatever. Does this mean it has a 20-25% 'appreciation'? Of
course not....because you can't/couldn't buy one for 38-40k. The
reality is I would have had to pay 60 to get it......and then if sell
it for 48k a year later the depreciation curve looks fairly standard.
I'm not all saying all cars depreciate the same. They don't. What I
am saying is that when actual prices are used rather
than made up msrp prices, the depreciation curves between different vehicles on either end of the spectrum sees the gap close a lot.Again, there are deals and there are deals. Low mileage used cars make
sense in lots of cases, but not all. I've bought two new cars out of
my last 7. The other 5 had 5200, 13000, 16800, 21200, and 30400.
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"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and
then success is sure." -- Mark Twain
On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 7:38:01 PM UTC-6, miande...@gmail.com wrote:it was written off) to get a big heavy sedan with all the safety features that would have a lower center of gravity. And I picked.....
Someone hit me two weeks ago in my Jaguar svr suv pretty good. I'm ok physically but was a little shook up. But the car rolled a couple times and I didn't like that(but did really well protecting me from the impact). Anyways I decided to replace it(
I said "well it's 2023....we are all pretty damn old" lol......a new cadillac. Lol.....a big ole' barge of a sedan. A caddy.....
The 2023 cadillac ct 5 blackwing. I got the 6 speed manual(they also have one in automatic as an option). I haven't driven it yet since I have to make a quick flight to south florida this week to pick it up(that was the closest one).
It's supposed to have a shitton of horsepower and torque, but I don't really care about that. Hopefully the shifter is smooth. I told my family I'm going to pick up a new cadillac sedan and they said "aren't cadillac sedans for really old people" and
so since I'm not really a car guy why not save the $.Never had a gm/cadillac/buick before. I know the rep isn't great, but oh well. I'm anticipating it will be a POS, but it got good safety ratings which is most important now and is about 28-40k cheaper than the equivalent german cars(rs7 or M5 comp),
We'll see.Did you get your Caddy yet?
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