• CFP Ranking Process - oh, and NOTBCS and NOTCFP rankings for 10/31

    From The NOTBCS Guy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 31 15:40:50 2022
    NOTCFP
    #1: Ohio State
    #2: Georgia
    #3: Tennessee
    #4: Alabama
    #5: Michigan
    #6: TCU
    #7: Clemson
    #8: Oregon
    #9: USC
    #10: Kansas State
    #11: Mississippi
    #12: UCLA
    #13: Utah
    #14: LSU
    #15: Penn State
    #16: Illinois
    #17: Texas
    #18: Oklahoma State
    #19: Syracuse
    #20: Tulane
    #21: North Carolina
    #22: Mississippi State
    #23: Wake Forest
    #24: North Carolina State
    #25: Oregon State

    NOTBCS
    Georgia, 0
    Ohio State, 0.28
    Tennessee, 0.95
    Michigan, 2.58
    Clemson, 3.57
    Alabama, 3.7
    TCU, 4.85
    Oregon, 6.86
    USC, 8.6
    Mississippi, 10.04
    UCLA, 10.07
    Utah, 10.74
    Kansas State, 11.32
    Illinois, 12.89
    LSU, 13.48
    Penn State, 13.85
    Oklahoma State, 16.35
    North Carolina, 16.66
    Tulane, 17.9
    Wake Forest, 19
    North Carolina State, 19.52
    Syracuse, 20.38
    Texas, 20.78
    Oregon State, 22.3
    Liberty, 22.3
    Mississippi State, 22.75
    Central Florida, 22.83
    Baylor, 22.93
    Notre Dame, 23.04
    Kentucky, 23.14
    Maryland, 23.36
    Oklahoma, 23.46
    Cincinnati, 23.6
    Arkansas, 23.63
    Washington, 23.76
    Minnesota, 23.77
    Coastal Carolina, 23.8
    Florida State, 23.82
    Louisville, 23.87
    Wisconsin, 23.92
    Troy, 24
    Purdue, 24.01
    Boise State, 24.01
    Kansas, 24.06
    South Carolina, 24.07
    Florida, 24.08
    Texas A&M, 24.08
    Iowa State, 24.09
    Texas-San Antonio, 24.1
    James Madison, 24.1
    East Carolina, 24.11
    South Alabama, 24.11
    all others, 24.12

    With the first CFP rankings happening on Tuesday, I thought I'd break out:
    THE 2022 CFP RANKING PROCEDURE - "THE QUICK VERSION"

    1. Each of the 13 committee members lists 30 teams not on their "recused" list (more on that later). All teams on 3 or more lists, and all "recused" teams on 2 lists, form the Eligible List; only these teams can be ranked. There is also a Ranking Pool,
    which begins empty.

    2. There are seven rounds of voting. Each round begins with the members listing their top 6 (rounds 1-3) or 8 (rounds 4-7) teams still on the Eligible List, other than their recused teams. Teams are moved from the Eligible List to the Ranking Pool until
    the Ranking Pool has 6 (rounds 1-3) or 8 (rounds 4-7) teams in it.
    Any team on anybody's recusal list that was one vote short of tying for the last transfer spot is considered to have one extra vote.
    If there is a tie for the last transfer spot, the committee conducts a "tiebreaker vote" among the tied teams to break the tie.

    3. Each committee member that does not have any recused teams in the Ranking Pool ranks those teams from 1 to 6 or 8 as appropriate. The top 3 (rounds 1-3) or 4 (rounds 4-7) in the average ranking are removed from the Ranking Pool and given rankings (e.g.
    in the first round, the top team is the #1 ranked team, second is #2, and third is #3; in the second round, the top thre are ranked 4, 5, and 6). The remaining teams stay in the Ranking Pool for the next round.

    Here is the recusal list, including the reasons why they are recused (AD means they are the team's athletic director):
    Mitch Barnhart - Kentucky (AD)
    Tom Burman - Wyoming (AD)
    Boo Corrigan - North Carolina State (AD); also Notre Dame (brother Kevin is the men's lacrosse head coach)
    Rick George - Colorado (AD)
    Chet Gladchuk - Navy (AD); also Houston (son John is employed there)
    Jim Grobe - Marshall (son Matt is the men's golf head coach)
    Warde Manuel - Michigan (AD)
    Gene Taylor - Kansas State (AD)
    Rod West - Notre Dame (Trustee)
    Kelly Whiteside - Rutgers ("part-time lecturer")

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  • From JGibson@21:1/5 to The NOTBCS Guy on Tue Nov 1 05:35:28 2022
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    NOTCFP
    #1: Ohio State
    #2: Georgia
    #3: Tennessee
    #4: Alabama
    #5: Michigan
    #6: TCU
    #7: Clemson
    #8: Oregon
    #9: USC
    #10: Kansas State
    #11: Mississippi
    #12: UCLA
    #13: Utah
    #14: LSU
    #15: Penn State
    #16: Illinois
    #17: Texas
    #18: Oklahoma State
    #19: Syracuse
    #20: Tulane
    #21: North Carolina
    #22: Mississippi State
    #23: Wake Forest
    #24: North Carolina State
    #25: Oregon State

    NOTBCS
    Georgia, 0
    Ohio State, 0.28
    Tennessee, 0.95
    Michigan, 2.58
    Clemson, 3.57
    Alabama, 3.7
    TCU, 4.85
    Oregon, 6.86
    USC, 8.6
    Mississippi, 10.04
    UCLA, 10.07
    Utah, 10.74
    Kansas State, 11.32
    Illinois, 12.89
    LSU, 13.48
    Penn State, 13.85
    Oklahoma State, 16.35
    North Carolina, 16.66
    Tulane, 17.9
    Wake Forest, 19
    North Carolina State, 19.52
    Syracuse, 20.38
    Texas, 20.78
    Oregon State, 22.3
    Liberty, 22.3
    Mississippi State, 22.75
    Central Florida, 22.83
    Baylor, 22.93
    Notre Dame, 23.04
    Kentucky, 23.14
    Maryland, 23.36
    Oklahoma, 23.46
    Cincinnati, 23.6
    Arkansas, 23.63
    Washington, 23.76
    Minnesota, 23.77
    Coastal Carolina, 23.8
    Florida State, 23.82
    Louisville, 23.87
    Wisconsin, 23.92
    Troy, 24
    Purdue, 24.01
    Boise State, 24.01
    Kansas, 24.06
    South Carolina, 24.07
    Florida, 24.08
    Texas A&M, 24.08
    Iowa State, 24.09
    Texas-San Antonio, 24.1
    James Madison, 24.1
    East Carolina, 24.11
    South Alabama, 24.11
    all others, 24.12

    With the first CFP rankings happening on Tuesday, I thought I'd break out: THE 2022 CFP RANKING PROCEDURE - "THE QUICK VERSION"

    1. Each of the 13 committee members lists 30 teams not on their "recused" list (more on that later). All teams on 3 or more lists, and all "recused" teams on 2 lists, form the Eligible List; only these teams can be ranked. There is also a Ranking Pool,
    which begins empty.

    2. There are seven rounds of voting. Each round begins with the members listing their top 6 (rounds 1-3) or 8 (rounds 4-7) teams still on the Eligible List, other than their recused teams. Teams are moved from the Eligible List to the Ranking Pool
    until the Ranking Pool has 6 (rounds 1-3) or 8 (rounds 4-7) teams in it.
    Any team on anybody's recusal list that was one vote short of tying for the last transfer spot is considered to have one extra vote.
    If there is a tie for the last transfer spot, the committee conducts a "tiebreaker vote" among the tied teams to break the tie.

    3. Each committee member that does not have any recused teams in the Ranking Pool ranks those teams from 1 to 6 or 8 as appropriate. The top 3 (rounds 1-3) or 4 (rounds 4-7) in the average ranking are removed from the Ranking Pool and given rankings (e.
    g. in the first round, the top team is the #1 ranked team, second is #2, and third is #3; in the second round, the top thre are ranked 4, 5, and 6). The remaining teams stay in the Ranking Pool for the next round.

    Here is the recusal list, including the reasons why they are recused (AD means they are the team's athletic director):
    Mitch Barnhart - Kentucky (AD)
    Tom Burman - Wyoming (AD)
    Boo Corrigan - North Carolina State (AD); also Notre Dame (brother Kevin is the men's lacrosse head coach)
    Rick George - Colorado (AD)
    Chet Gladchuk - Navy (AD); also Houston (son John is employed there)
    Jim Grobe - Marshall (son Matt is the men's golf head coach)

    Is his son being the men's golf coach the only reason he has to recuse himself from voting for Marshall? Not the fact that he was a football player there from '79 to '83?

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  • From The NOTBCS Guy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 12:48:34 2022
    Here is the recusal list, including the reasons why they are recused (AD means they are the team's athletic director):
    Jim Grobe - Marshall (son Matt is the men's golf head coach)
    Is his son being the men's golf coach the only reason he has to recuse himself from voting for Marshall? Not the fact that he was a football player there from '79 to '83?

    Will Shields played for Nebraska - in fact, he's an Outland Trophy winner - and Rick George played for Illinois, but they're allowed to vote for those teams. I'm pretty sure the fact that his son works for Marshall (and it doesn't have to be an athletic
    position) is what prevents him from voting for them.

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  • From The NOTBCS Guy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 16:40:30 2022
    Who's up for a laugh: based on the first CFP rankings, the bowls would be: Peach: Tennessee - Clemson
    Fiesta: Ohio State - Georgia
    Rose: Michigan - Oregon
    Sugar: Alabama - TCU
    Orange: Syracuse - LSU
    Cotton: USC - Tulane
    ...no, I can't keep a straight face either; there's no way this list survives Tennessee-Georgia, Ohio State-Michigan, or the SEC championship game even remotely intact.

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to The NOTBCS Guy on Wed Nov 2 00:49:25 2022
    On 11/1/2022 7:40 PM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Who's up for a laugh: based on the first CFP rankings, the bowls would be: Peach: Tennessee - Clemson
    Fiesta: Ohio State - Georgia
    Rose: Michigan - Oregon
    Sugar: Alabama - TCU
    Orange: Syracuse - LSU
    Cotton: USC - Tulane
    ...no, I can't keep a straight face either; there's no way this list survives Tennessee-Georgia, Ohio State-Michigan, or the SEC championship game even remotely intact.

    My Volunteers need to lose a close one to UGA this week so that they do
    not have to face Bama in the SECCG. A couple of critical, bad calls
    against UT would be helpful to the committee. Don't even want to think
    about beating Saban twice in one season.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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  • From JGibson@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Wed Nov 2 06:49:01 2022
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:49:30 AM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 11/1/2022 7:40 PM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Who's up for a laugh: based on the first CFP rankings, the bowls would be: Peach: Tennessee - Clemson
    Fiesta: Ohio State - Georgia
    Rose: Michigan - Oregon
    Sugar: Alabama - TCU
    Orange: Syracuse - LSU
    Cotton: USC - Tulane
    ...no, I can't keep a straight face either; there's no way this list survives Tennessee-Georgia, Ohio State-Michigan, or the SEC championship game even remotely intact.
    My Volunteers need to lose a close one to UGA this week so that they do
    not have to face Bama in the SECCG. A couple of critical, bad calls
    against UT would be helpful to the committee. Don't even want to think
    about beating Saban twice in one season.

    You think that they'll take 3 SEC teams if Georgia narrowly beats Tennessee, and then Alabama narrowly beats Georgia? All would have one loss, but only to each other. What if Clemson and the Michigan / Ohio State winner both remain undefeated?

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to JGibson on Wed Nov 2 08:22:00 2022
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 6:49:03 AM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:

    You think that they'll take 3 SEC teams if Georgia narrowly beats Tennessee, and then Alabama narrowly beats Georgia? All would have one loss, but only to each other. What if Clemson and the Michigan / Ohio State winner both remain undefeated?

    Not if both, but if one does of that last scenario...

    Mike

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to JGibson on Wed Nov 2 14:43:28 2022
    On 11/2/2022 9:49 AM, JGibson wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:49:30 AM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 11/1/2022 7:40 PM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Who's up for a laugh: based on the first CFP rankings, the bowls would be: >>> Peach: Tennessee - Clemson
    Fiesta: Ohio State - Georgia
    Rose: Michigan - Oregon
    Sugar: Alabama - TCU
    Orange: Syracuse - LSU
    Cotton: USC - Tulane
    ...no, I can't keep a straight face either; there's no way this list survives Tennessee-Georgia, Ohio State-Michigan, or the SEC championship game even remotely intact.
    My Volunteers need to lose a close one to UGA this week so that they do
    not have to face Bama in the SECCG. A couple of critical, bad calls
    against UT would be helpful to the committee. Don't even want to think
    about beating Saban twice in one season.

    You think that they'll take 3 SEC teams if Georgia narrowly beats Tennessee, and then Alabama narrowly beats Georgia? All would have one loss, but only to each other. What if Clemson and the Michigan / Ohio State winner both remain undefeated?

    I think in that case the committee comes up with some circuitous logic
    to keep out one of the SEC teams. Gonna be hard to take a one loss team
    over an undefeated Clempson, Mich, or OSU. Senate hearings will follow.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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