On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:43:22 AM UTC-4, Emperor Wonko the Sane wrote:

Drugs that are advertised on TV should be avoided. In my experience, they advertise because the drug is not very effective (so doctors have to be coerced by their patient) and/or are needlessly very expensive. Thoughts?

Doug

The latest and greatest new drug Pharma has spent untold millions developing. They are pushing new uses. As soon as they approach losing the patent rights it's on to the next big drug. Kind of like planned obsolescence that is controlled by the patent
court.

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Emperor Wonko the Sane <doug@sorensensdomain.net> wrote:

Drugs that are advertised on TV should be avoided. In my experience, they advertise because the drug is not very effective (so doctors have to be coerced by their patient) and/or are needlessly very expensive. Thoughts?

Doug

Seems sensible but of course don’t forget doctors are also the targets of intense marketing by drug companies. I also think drug company ads are also targeted at pressuring insurers

That said I trust my doctors recommendations though I also know if I had a painful chronic disease that I saw a drug being advertised for, I would definitely ask my doctor about it.

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Drugs that are advertised on TV should be avoided. In my experience, they advertise because the drug is not very effective (so doctors have to be coerced by their patient) and/or are needlessly very expensive. Thoughts?

Doug

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floaterjr <gpgmga@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:43:22 AM UTC-4, Emperor Wonko the Sane wrote:

Drugs that are advertised on TV should be avoided. In my experience,
they advertise because the drug is not very effective (so doctors have
to be coerced by their patient) and/or are needlessly very expensive. Thoughts?

Doug

The latest and greatest new drug Pharma has spent untold millions
developing. They are pushing new uses. As soon as they approach losing
the patent rights it's on to the next big drug. Kind of like planned obsolescence that is controlled by the patent court.

There’s that too. They have mastered the art of tweaking a legacy drug just enough to get a new patent, and they need to convince you that you need to
have the new and improved version, not the old generic.

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On 8/15/2022 10:43 AM, Emperor Wonko the Sane wrote:

Drugs that are advertised on TV should be avoided. In my experience, they advertise because the drug is not very effective (so doctors have to be coerced by their patient) and/or are needlessly very expensive. Thoughts?

Doug

No, most are quite effective. What they all have in common is huge
mark-ups. Insurers will not pay for drugs they believe are not
efficacious. Good example is Jublia for toenail fungus. They spend a
shitload of money on prime-time ads because they make a shitload of
money off them.

A most of the manufacturers of the high-priced, advertised drugs offer
discount programs for commercial insurance programs. But they do not
offer these discount programs for government insurance like Medicare or Tricare. Retirees and Vets get screwed BIG TIME!

I went from my wife's public school system insurance to a Medicare
Advantage Plan and the injectible biologic I was taking went from about
$250/yr to about $5,000/yr.


For general drug effectiveness, See: https://www.statista.com/statistics/726812/patients-for-which-a-certain-drug-is-ineffective-by-therapy-class/

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On 8/15/2022 3:32 PM, RoddyMcCorley wrote:

On 8/15/2022 10:43 AM, Emperor Wonko the Sane wrote:

Drugs that are advertised on TV should be avoided. In my experience,
they advertise because the drug is not very effective (so doctors have
to be coerced by their patient) and/or are needlessly very expensive.
Thoughts?

BTW, the cost of rug I was taking increased every month I was taking it.

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practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net> wrote:

On 8/15/2022 10:43 AM, Emperor Wonko the Sane wrote:

Drugs that are advertised on TV should be avoided. In my experience,
they advertise because the drug is not very effective (so doctors have
to be coerced by their patient) and/or are needlessly very expensive. Thoughts?

Doug

No, most are quite effective. What they all have in common is huge
mark-ups. Insurers will not pay for drugs they believe are not
efficacious. Good example is Jublia for toenail fungus. They spend a
shitload of money on prime-time ads because they make a shitload of
money off them.

A most of the manufacturers of the high-priced, advertised drugs offer discount programs for commercial insurance programs. But they do not
offer these discount programs for government insurance like Medicare or Tricare. Retirees and Vets get screwed BIG TIME!

You probably know this but this is because Medicare Part D doesn’t allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. The just-passed IRA starts to fix that.




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On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:43:22 AM UTC-4, Emperor Wonko the Sane wrote:

Drugs that are advertised on TV should be avoided. In my experience, they advertise because
the drug is not very effective (so doctors have to be coerced by their patient) and/or are
needlessly very expensive. Thoughts?

The most important thing I have learned from drug advertising, and it's a life saver, is
never take a medication that you are allergic to.

-TE

“Bad weather, a bottle of Early Times, and a bag of Oreos ain’t exactly a private jet with a
willing busty underling, but some judges gotta take what they can get.”

Doug

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On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM, xyzzy wrote:

RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net> wrote:

On 8/15/2022 10:43 AM, Emperor Wonko the Sane wrote:

Drugs that are advertised on TV should be avoided. In my experience,
they advertise because the drug is not very effective (so doctors have
to be coerced by their patient) and/or are needlessly very expensive. Thoughts?

Doug

No, most are quite effective. What they all have in common is huge
mark-ups. Insurers will not pay for drugs they believe are not
efficacious. Good example is Jublia for toenail fungus. They spend a
shitload of money on prime-time ads because they make a shitload of
money off them.

A most of the manufacturers of the high-priced, advertised drugs offer
discount programs for commercial insurance programs. But they do not
offer these discount programs for government insurance like Medicare or
Tricare. Retirees and Vets get screwed BIG TIME!

You probably know this but this is because Medicare Part D doesn’t allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. The just-passed IRA starts to fix that.

Yes, but I do not know the details. They should do something like "most
favored nation" deals.

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practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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..should be banned like tobacco.


costplusdrugs.com

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