Remember all of that talk about how the NCAA needed to bring women's basketball up to some sort of parity with men's basketball? The Division I Women's Basketball Championship Committee seems to have a strange idea of how to do this.four First Four games will each be played in the arena where the winner would play its first round game.
First (and this is one of the smartest things the committee has done since getting rid of neutral-site first weekend games), even though it pretty much promised there would be a Dayton-style site for the First Four, in the next five tournaments, the
Second, the committee decided to hold both the east and south regionals in Greenville, SC, and both the midwest and west regionals in Seattle - because nothing says "make women's basketball more widely available to the public" than by getting rid oftwo cities hosting regionals.
Maybe if they encouraged "trans" players so they could bring their level of play
up to the male high school level?
They did it again: the Division I women's basketball championship game will be on a Sunday afternoon. Apparently, somebody wants it aired on ABC instead of ESPN, and God forbid that ABC pre-empt American Idol for women's basketball.
They did it again: the Division I women's basketball championship game will be on a Sunday afternoon.
Apparently, somebody wants it aired on ABC instead of ESPN, and God forbid that ABC pre-empt
American Idol for women's basketball.
They did it again: the Division I women's basketball championship game will be on a Sunday afternoon. Apparently, somebody wants it aired on ABC instead of ESPN, and God forbid that ABC pre-empt American Idol for women's basketball.And they're going to find out how little interest there actually is in the women's game (or women's sports in general) when the ratings come out.
I bet ads for American Idol would get more views.
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 4:15:06 PM UTC-7, TE wrote:
I bet ads for American Idol would get more views.
One of the reasons women's sports is doomed.
The marketing for the WNBA and Women's Final Four and the way it is handled in the media is dreadful.
While they don't explicitly say, "if you don't watch this you are a bigoted piece of shit" it comes across
that way. Ads which suggest that Sue Bird is somehow on the same plain as Larry Bird don't help.
The product is inferior to men's basketball, so stop pretending its analogous. Sell it as entertainment
like the XFL or a women's Gus Macker tourney.
didn't stop all four majors from guaranteeing equal pay for the men and women.The product is inferior to men's basketball, so stop pretending its analogous. Sell it as entertainmentThe problem is, this is exactly what was said about other sports - for example, tennis, where, not that long ago, the #200 or so ranked man in the world beat Venus Williams in one set, then immediately beat Serena in the second set as well - but this
like the XFL or a women's Gus Macker tourney.
Sell it as what it is - women's basketball. Find the target audience. Don't widen the net too far.that, the way NBC airs English Premier League soccer.
Women's sports aren't going anywhere - we're not going back to the days where they tried to drag women who tried to run the Boston Marathon off the course - but it could come down to, fold the WNBA, form some European women's superleague, and televise
Hopefully, the demands for "full equality" won't result in the sport changing to everybody having to play coed basketball, with the women playing the first half and the men playing the second half.
The product is inferior to men's basketball, so stop pretending its analogous. Sell it as entertainment
like the XFL or a women's Gus Macker tourney.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:17:33 PM UTC-4, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:didn't stop all four majors from guaranteeing equal pay for the men and women.
The product is inferior to men's basketball, so stop pretending its analogous. Sell it as entertainmentThe problem is, this is exactly what was said about other sports - for example, tennis, where, not that long ago, the #200 or so ranked man in the world beat Venus Williams in one set, then immediately beat Serena in the second set as well - but this
like the XFL or a women's Gus Macker tourney.
televise that, the way NBC airs English Premier League soccer.Sell it as what it is - women's basketball. Find the target audience. Don't widen the net too far.
Women's sports aren't going anywhere - we're not going back to the days where they tried to drag women who tried to run the Boston Marathon off the course - but it could come down to, fold the WNBA, form some European women's superleague, and
Hopefully, the demands for "full equality" won't result in the sport changing to everybody having to play coed basketball, with the women playing the first half and the men playing the second half.No - 5 people on the court per team at a time, with at least 2 women required (more is okay). Women's baskets worth 2x men's baskets.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4, JGibson wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:17:33 PM UTC-4, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
No - 5 people on the court per team at a time, with at least 2 womenThe product is inferior to men's basketball, so stop pretending itsThe problem is, this is exactly what was said about other sports - for
analogous. Sell it as entertainment
like the XFL or a women's Gus Macker tourney.
example, tennis, where, not that long ago, the #200 or so ranked man in
the world beat Venus Williams in one set, then immediately beat Serena
in the second set as well - but this didn't stop all four majors from
guaranteeing equal pay for the men and women.
Sell it as what it is - women's basketball. Find the target audience.
Don't widen the net too far.
Women's sports aren't going anywhere - we're not going back to the days
where they tried to drag women who tried to run the Boston Marathon off
the course - but it could come down to, fold the WNBA, form some
European women's superleague, and televise that, the way NBC airs
English Premier League soccer.
Hopefully, the demands for "full equality" won't result in the sport
changing to everybody having to play coed basketball, with the women
playing the first half and the men playing the second half.
required (more is okay). Women's baskets worth 2x men's baskets.
And, yes, I am basing this on some intramural rules that I once played
with (not in basketball but in amalgam of sports here).
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 2:11:18 AM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 4:15:06 PM UTC-7, TE wrote:
I bet ads for American Idol would get more views.
One of the reasons women's sports is doomed.
The marketing for the WNBA and Women's Final Four and the way it is handled in the media is dreadful.
While they don't explicitly say, "if you don't watch this you are a bigoted piece of shit" it comes across
that way. Ads which suggest that Sue Bird is somehow on the same plain as Larry Bird don't help.
The product is inferior to men's basketball, so stop pretending its analogous. Sell it as entertainment
like the XFL or a women's Gus Macker tourney.
-TE
Hopefully, the demands for "full equality" won't result in the sport changing to everybody having to play coed basketball, with the women playing the first half and the men playing the second half.No - 5 people on the court per team at a time, with at least 2 women required (more is okay). Women's baskets worth 2x men's baskets.
Or, a return to the old 6-on-6 rules, but in this case, one half of the court has 3 men from each team, and the other half has 3 women. In effect, it's two simultaneous 3-on-3 games.Hopefully, the demands for "full equality" won't result in the sport changing to everybody having to play coed basketball, with the women playing the first half and the men playing the second half.No - 5 people on the court per team at a time, with at least 2 women required (more is okay). Women's baskets worth 2x men's baskets.
You do have the problem that each team's men can only score points in one half of the game. You have the further problem
that you would have to change overtime to, say, two 3-minute periods at a time so that each team's men have an equal
opportunity to score points.
...of course true equality would mean the end of single-sex sports. The best players play, regardless of
sex. 1 Varsity bball, volleyball team etc. No crap about Title IX or trans people etc.
If female athletes wanted to be treated the same as male athletes, the vast majority of women
sports would vanish.
If female athletes wanted to be treated the same as male athletes, the vast majority of women
sports would vanish.
FIFY.
On 2022-08-26, The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
If female athletes wanted to be treated the same as male athletes, the vast majority of women
sports would vanish.
FIFY.
You got rid of the wrong word.
If female athletes really wanted to be treated the same as male athletes, all college sports would vanish.
The problem is, I know people who are convinced this is the best possible result for colleges.
At least California gets it right (sort of), in terms of high school sports: >> (Some girl) "I want to play on the boys' golf team!"
(School) "Sorry, but we have a girls' golf team, so you have to play on that."
(Girl) "But I'm good enough to play against the boys! THAT'S NOT
FAIR!" (School) "Tell that to the boy whose spot on the boys' team
you would take, who then can't, unlike you, play on the girls' team.
How would it be fair to him?" If the school didn't have a girls'
golf team, then she could play on the boys' team, but then it gets
messy in terms of the state championships.
Also, it doesn't quite work that way for boys who, say, want to play
volleyball but the school has only a girls' team.
This is done in chess and bridge all the time. We have Women's events and open events. Until about 1990 we kept one Men's event, then the usual whining suspects killed that.
It's really disgusting when it comes to Men's clubs. You can have Women's clubs,
but not Men's clubs.
I suppose eventually we'll get some "transgender" women who will win the Women's
world championship....
If female athletes wanted to be treated the same as male athletes, the vast majority of women
sports would vanish.
FIFY.
You got rid of the wrong word.
If female athletes really wanted to be treated the same as male athletes, all college sports would vanish.
The problem is, I know people who are convinced this is the best possible result for colleges.
At least California gets it right (sort of), in terms of high school sports: (Some girl) "I want to play on the boys' golf team!"
(School) "Sorry, but we have a girls' golf team, so you have to play on that."
(Girl) "But I'm good enough to play against the boys! THAT'S NOT
FAIR!" (School) "Tell that to the boy whose spot on the boys' team
you would take, who then can't, unlike you, play on the girls' team.
How would it be fair to him?" If the school didn't have a girls'
golf team, then she could play on the boys' team, but then it gets
messy in terms of the state championships.
Also, it doesn't quite work that way for boys who, say, want to play volleyball but the school has only a girls' team.
I suppose eventually we'll get some "transgender" women who will win the Women's
world championship....
You got rid of the wrong word.
If female athletes really wanted to be treated the same as male athletes, all college sports would vanish.
The problem is, I know people who are convinced this is the best possible result for colleges.
At least California gets it right (sort of), in terms of high school sports: (Some girl) "I want to play on the boys' golf team!"
(School) "Sorry, but we have a girls' golf team, so you have to play on that."
I suppose eventually we'll get some "transgender" women who will win the Women's
world championship....
This isn't about a transgender, but Massachusetts has had this
problem at both ends. In 2011, a boy who went to a school that
didn't have a boys' swimming team was allowed to compete on his
school's girls' swimming team, and compete in the state girls'
championships as a result - which, as you might expect, he won
rather easily.
Presumably, Massachusetts changed its rules right after that, as in
2017, a Massachusetts girl who went to a school that didn't have a
girls' golf team was allowed to compete on her school's boys' golf
team. The team qualified for a regional championship, where she had
the low score,
If female athletes wanted to be treated the same as male athletes, the vast majority of women
sports would vanish.
FIFY.You got rid of the wrong word.
If female athletes really wanted to be treated the same as male athletes, all college sports would vanish.
The problem is, I know people who are convinced this is the best possible result for colleges.
At least California gets it right (sort of), in terms of high school sports: (Some girl) "I want to play on the boys' golf team!"
(School) "Sorry, but we have a girls' golf team, so you have to play on that."
(Girl) "But I'm good enough to play against the boys! THAT'S NOT FAIR!" (School) "Tell that to the boy whose spot on the boys' team you would take, who then can't, unlike you, play on the girls' team. How would it be fair to him?"
If the school didn't have a girls' golf team, then she could play on the boys' team, but then it gets messy in terms of the state championships.
Also, it doesn't quite work that way for boys who, say, want to play volleyball but the school has only a girls' team.
I don't see how eliminating single-sex sports doesn't resolve all of this. One team, the best play, male
or female. It's equality. All this crap disappears.
I don't see how eliminating single-sex sports doesn't resolve all of this. One team, the best play, maleIt's not "equal opportunity." Remember, for all intents and purposes, "one team per sport" is how it worked through the early 1970s; there were very few women's sports scholarships, for example.
or female. It's equality. All this crap disappears.
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