Of the last 4 schools they have brought in with expansion:
-1 is a really strong football program
-2 are mediocre to bad football programs
-1 is a downright horrific football program
So of the last 4 teams brought in, only 1 of them actually values college football and has a history of being good at it.
That scares me when I hear things like the bigten and sec may go to 20(or more), because what if some of those other schools to get to 20 or more are stanford, cal, duke, unc, etc.....
None of those programs are good football programs. And this is a conference that already has Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, and purdue. You bring in more mediocre to bad football programs, and then the strength of tOSU/Michigan/Penn State is diluted even more. Even if ND is one of the next 3 or 4 as anticipated, thats only adding 1 more good football program compared to others that are at best just below average.
Say what you want about the SEC's expansion, but in contrast of there last 4 additions 3 of them are positive additions from a football program standpoint(say what you want about Texas A&M underachieving but they clearly value football, invest a ton init, and have all the pieces to be good in the near future). The only program that was a bust with respect to football brand/quality was missouri. And as bad as missouri is they are freaking Alabama compared to rutgers.....
As a fan who loves watching football I don't care all that much about the tv negotiations or how big this market is or the demos in a certain market. What I care about is the football programs and what that means for my college football viewingenjoyment. And a scenario where the bigten adds a total of 8 new teams beginning with the maryland/rutgers additions and 6 of those teams aren't good at football......well thats a problem for me and similar minded fans.
Thats why I prefer if the sec adds from the acc area I much prefer they go after clemson and florida state than UNC.
Of the last 4 schools they have brought in with expansion:
-1 is a really strong football program
-2 are mediocre to bad football programs
-1 is a downright horrific football program
So of the last 4 teams brought in, only 1 of them actually values college football and has a history of being good at it.
That scares me when I hear things like the bigten and sec may go to 20(or more), because what if some of those other schools to get to 20 or more are stanford, cal, duke, unc, etc.....
On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:13:30 PM UTC-4, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
Of the last 4 schools they have brought in with expansion:
-1 is a really strong football program
-2 are mediocre to bad football programs
-1 is a downright horrific football program
So of the last 4 teams brought in, only 1 of them actually values
college football and has a history of being good at it.
That scares me when I hear things like the bigten and sec may go to
20(or more), because what if some of those other schools to get to 20 or
more are stanford, cal, duke, unc, etc.....
I don't think they are going to just willy-nilly add teams at random.
The Rutgers and Maryland adds were specifically for market value ... and
it worked. Nebraska was added for football value, and it hasn't panned
out that well. USC and UCLA again mostly added for market, but you have
a traditional power in USC and a sometimes good football team in UCLA.
My main concern is that you can only play so many games, so all the
supposed high profile games that created out of this are not happening
every year. USC isn't going to be playing Ohio State and Michigan and
Penn State every year.
I don't think they are going to just willy-nilly add teams at random. The Rutgers and Maryland adds were specifically for market value ... and it worked.
Nebraska was added for football value, and it hasn't panned out that well. USC and UCLA again mostly added for market, but you have a traditional power in USC and a sometimes good football team in UCLA.
My main concern is that you can only play so many games, so all the supposed high profile games that created out of this are not happening every year. USC isn't going to be playing Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State every year.
Plus you don’t want all the high profile teams playing each other all the time because if you do that some of them will end up with losing records.
Next question is when will these super conferences fragment after the
rights bubble pops?
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 6:41:53 AM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:
I don't think they are going to just willy-nilly add teams at random. The Rutgers and Maryland adds were specifically for market value ... and it worked.
No it didn't. The only thing Maryland has shown in the Big Ten is that killing people is good business for football. And... Rutgers? REALLY???
Nebraska was added for football value, and it hasn't panned out that well. USC and UCLA again mostly added for market, but you have a traditional power in USC and a sometimes good football team in UCLA.
Something happened at Nebraska. I have no idea what.
My main concern is that you can only play so many games, so all the supposed high profile games that created out of this are not happening every year. USC isn't going to be playing Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State every year.
Yes they are. You are assuming the dregs of the two remaining conferences are going to still be in said conferences.
Mike
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 6:41:53 AM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:
I don't think they are going to just willy-nilly add teams at random. The Rutgers and Maryland adds were specifically for market value ... and it worked.No it didn't. The only thing Maryland has shown in the Big Ten is that killing people is good business for football. And... Rutgers? REALLY???
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 6:41:53 AM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:
My main concern is that you can only play so many games, so all the supposed high profile games that created out of this are not happening every year. USC isn't going to be playing Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State every year.Yes they are. You are assuming the dregs of the two remaining conferences are going to still be in said conferences.
Sometimes, the dregs are in hot recruiting areas. You still need your in-roads to the DC area, the Chicago area, etc. Having Rutgers and Maryland in the conference makes it easier for the rest of the Big Ten to recruit New Jersey and the DC area. You'll still want to keep Northwestern and Illinois for the same reason.
Yes, it worked perfectly from the Big Ten's point of view:
Quote:
Good news, Maryland and Rutgers actually are making BTN lots of money
https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2015/10/5/9453701/big-ten-expansion-west-ohio-state-big-ten-network-maryland-rutgers
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 3:38:51 PM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:ll still want to keep Northwestern and Illinois for the same reason.
Sometimes, the dregs are in hot recruiting areas. You still need your in-roads to the DC area, the Chicago area, etc. Having Rutgers and Maryland in the conference makes it easier for the rest of the Big Ten to recruit New Jersey and the DC area. You'
Another way I think NIL changes the game. I don't think that matters that much anymore.
If that were the case, we can kill the Pac-12 right now. No top-flight California HS QB wants to play in that conference.
On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:13:30 PM UTC-4, miande...@gmail.com wrote:mostly added for market, but you have a traditional power in USC and a sometimes good football team in UCLA.
Of the last 4 schools they have brought in with expansion:
-1 is a really strong football program
-2 are mediocre to bad football programs
-1 is a downright horrific football program
So of the last 4 teams brought in, only 1 of them actually values college football and has a history of being good at it.
That scares me when I hear things like the bigten and sec may go to 20(or more), because what if some of those other schools to get to 20 or more are stanford, cal, duke, unc, etc.....
I don't think they are going to just willy-nilly add teams at random. The Rutgers and Maryland adds were specifically for market value ... and it worked. Nebraska was added for football value, and it hasn't panned out that well. USC and UCLA again
My main concern is that you can only play so many games, so all the supposed high profile games that created out of this are not happening every year. USC isn't going to be playing Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State every year.
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