hate to bring it up xy, but your conference(and school....Vatech isn't guaranteed a safe landing spot here at all lol) isn't exactly
on stable ground.
They aren't getting ND football(no way.....not even a chance) and it
wouldn't shock anyone to wake up one morning soon and read that Clemson
and FSU are bolting, perhaps to the SEC. That happens and the ACC is basically breaking apart as well......
they(both the ACC and vatech) certainly aren't in a strong position. The bigten wouldn't piss on Vatech if they were on fire, and the sec
has a bunch of other schools they are looking at if they keep expanding before Vatech. So it's not looking good for the
conference of Vatech.
https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pac-12-gut-punch-comes-with
Quoting:
The events of the last few days left the Pac-12’s future in doubt. I can’t
help but wonder about the conference’s woeful decision under former commissioner Larry Scott in late 2018 to reject ESPN’s offer to extend their current media rights deal and take over management and distribution
of the Pac-12 Networks. That deal would have extended into the 2030s and locked USC and UCLA into the conference.
At the time Scott said he thought it was best to wait to the end of the current deal. He didn’t want the conference to miss out on what might be a much larger windfall in the next round of media rights negotiations. Now, the Pac-12 finds itself in a scramble.
——
I guess Larry Scott thought the line only goes up? That’s too bad because at the beginning of all this like 20+ years ago it seemed to me the PAC-10 was one of the more strategic conferences and seemed ahead of the super conference/TV deal game. Of course the initial pioneers often get run over in the end…
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
hate to bring it up xy, but your conference(and school....Vatech isn't guaranteed a safe landing spot here at all lol) isn't exactly
on stable ground.
They aren't getting ND football(no way.....not even a chance) and it wouldn't shock anyone to wake up one morning soon and read that Clemson and FSU are bolting, perhaps to the SEC. That happens and the ACC is basically breaking apart as well......
they(both the ACC and vatech) certainly aren't in a strong position. The bigten wouldn't piss on Vatech if they were on fire, and the sec
has a bunch of other schools they are looking at if they keep expanding before Vatech. So it's not looking good for the
conference of Vatech.
You aren’t telling me anything I don’t already know, dude.
College football has changed enough that it’s pretty much beyond my caring.
If the ACC and the Hokies get screwed it’ll be a shame but that’s about all
I’ll think about it. The ACC I yearned to belong to and was so happy to finally “come home to” no longer exists anyway, quite frankly.
I’m 35 years and three head coaches and two conferences (four in sports other than football) beyond my college years, and what happens there moves farther down my list of concerns with every passing year. I don’t even have cable TV any more.
I’m the type of fan who’s probably exhibit A of why the ACC will not be in
the top tier when the dust settles. If it all goes back to local teams playing on regional TV networks for stakes no bigger than Tobacco Road bragging rights, I’ll be fine with it. That would still be 100% better than the state of the program when I graduated, thinking beating NC State
in the Peach Bowl was the pinnacle of my team’s history.
Get off my damb lawn with that super conference money grubbing bullshit. There’s gonna be a lot of unhappy people when that bubble pops, I won’t be
one of them.
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On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 8:53:42 PM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
hate to bring it up xy, but your conference(and school....Vatech isn'tYou aren’t telling me anything I don’t already know, dude.
guaranteed a safe landing spot here at all lol) isn't exactly
on stable ground.
They aren't getting ND football(no way.....not even a chance) and it
wouldn't shock anyone to wake up one morning soon and read that Clemson
and FSU are bolting, perhaps to the SEC. That happens and the ACC is
basically breaking apart as well......
they(both the ACC and vatech) certainly aren't in a strong position. The >>> bigten wouldn't piss on Vatech if they were on fire, and the sec
has a bunch of other schools they are looking at if they keep expanding
before Vatech. So it's not looking good for the
conference of Vatech.
College football has changed enough that it’s pretty much beyond my caring.
If the ACC and the Hokies get screwed it’ll be a shame but that’s about all
I’ll think about it. The ACC I yearned to belong to and was so happy to
finally “come home to” no longer exists anyway, quite frankly.
I’m 35 years and three head coaches and two conferences (four in sports
other than football) beyond my college years, and what happens there moves >> farther down my list of concerns with every passing year. I don’t even
have cable TV any more.
I’m the type of fan who’s probably exhibit A of why the ACC will not be in
the top tier when the dust settles. If it all goes back to local teams
playing on regional TV networks for stakes no bigger than Tobacco Road
bragging rights, I’ll be fine with it. That would still be 100% better
than the state of the program when I graduated, thinking beating NC State
in the Peach Bowl was the pinnacle of my team’s history.
Get off my damb lawn with that super conference money grubbing bullshit.
There’s gonna be a lot of unhappy people when that bubble pops, I won’t be
one of them.
not quite as old as you, but I don't like where all this shit is going either. I grew up watching a great sport where certain games meant something.....
But it is....and there is little we can do about it.
Although I don't rule out some chance that once we get ND's decision on whether they join the bigten(and that is
their only choice they would consider), maybe the sec and bigten does
stay at 16. For awhile.
And then of course the other main question if we do get to 2
superconferences of 20 teams where all the most valuable programs
are in the sec and bigten- what happens to vandy, ky football,
missississippi state, missouri, and a shit ton of bad to mediocre programs in the bigten?
If trolls like colin cowherd are going to pound their chest with this
"isn't it great to have all the bigtime programs stacked in two
conferences playing each other every week", how do they deal with the missouris and kentuckys and vandys and indianas and rutgers and marylands
and illinois' and northwesterns? I mean those aren't bigtime football programs......wtf should they have a seat
at the table and not programs like oregon and washington(and even if
oregon and washington get in, then Oklahoma State or Utah or
whoever).....
Another problem with trolls like colin cowherd is they act like there is
some clear division between the haves and havenots and there are clean
lines which can be drawn to see who gets a seat at the 'major college football' table and who doesn't.......but this is bullshit.
Take texas A&M and Oklahoma State. There is absolutely no doubt that
Texas A&M is the better program. None. But the question is.....what percentage is Okie State relative to Texas A&M? 65% 70% 80%? I dont
know the exact number, but it seems pretty damn clear that programs like Oklahoma State and Arizona State and West Virginia(just to name 3) very
much have non-trivial value. More in some cases than the teams that do
get a seat at the table due to grandfathering in.....
So it's all a big mess. People talk about having 40 or so teams that are playing 'bigtime college football' in what is essentially a couple conferences that will be where all the eyes and money and everything supposedly will be on.....but how true is this? Because as noted above, about 10 of those 40 teams won't even really be in the top 40 in terms of program profile....and then there are another 10-12 programs that are
fairly close in value to the bottom fourth of the 'top 30'......what
happens to Utah and Okstate and West virginia? Do they just take their
ball and go home because they don't get invited to the big boys table??
If so that would be bs because those programs have a lot of fans, a lot of passion, etc....
Just so many problems and questions.
On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 9:53:42 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
hate to bring it up xy, but your conference(and school....Vatech isn't guaranteed a safe landing spot here at all lol) isn't exactly
on stable ground.
They aren't getting ND football(no way.....not even a chance) and it wouldn't shock anyone to wake up one morning soon and read that Clemson and FSU are bolting, perhaps to the SEC. That happens and the ACC is basically breaking apart as well......
they(both the ACC and vatech) certainly aren't in a strong position. The bigten wouldn't piss on Vatech if they were on fire, and the sec
has a bunch of other schools they are looking at if they keep expanding before Vatech. So it's not looking good for the
conference of Vatech.
You aren’t telling me anything I don’t already know, dude.[snip]
VT is by no means a weak program. Just ahead of UCLA in TV viewers at 31[1]; just behind in attendance at 25 [2]. Number of fans would put it 6th in the SEC (inc Texas) and 13th overall according to Nate Silver [3].
michael anderson <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:[snip]
hate to bring it up xy, but your conference(and school....Vatech isn't guaranteed a safe landing spot here at all lol) isn't exactly
on stable ground.
They aren't getting ND football(no way.....not even a chance) and it wouldn't shock anyone to wake up one morning soon and read that Clemson and FSU are bolting, perhaps to the SEC. That happens and the ACC is basically breaking apart as well......
they(both the ACC and vatech) certainly aren't in a strong position. The bigten wouldn't piss on Vatech if they were on fire, and the sec
has a bunch of other schools they are looking at if they keep expanding before Vatech. So it's not looking good for the
conference of Vatech.
You aren’t telling me anything I don’t already know, dude.
hate to bring it up xy, but your conference(and school....Vatech isn't guaranteed a safe landing spot here at all lol) isn't exactly
on stable ground.
They aren't getting ND football(no way.....not even a chance) and it wouldn't shock anyone to wake up one morning soon and read that Clemson and FSU are bolting, perhaps to the SEC. That happens and the ACC is basically breaking apart as well......
they(both the ACC and vatech) certainly aren't in a strong position. The bigten wouldn't piss on Vatech if they were on fire, and the sec
has a bunch of other schools they are looking at if they keep expanding before Vatech. So it's not looking good for the
conference of Vatech.
not quite as old as you, but I don't like where all this shit is going either. I grew up watching a great sport where certain games meant something.....
But it is....and there is little we can do about it.
Although I don't rule out some chance that once we get ND's decision on whether they join the bigten(and that is
their only choice they would consider), maybe the sec and bigten does stay at 16. For awhile.
And then of course the other main question if we do get to 2 superconferences of 20 teams where all the most valuable programs
are in the sec and bigten- what happens to vandy, ky football, missississippi state, missouri, and a shit ton of bad to mediocre programs in the bigten?
If trolls like colin cowherd are going to pound their chest with this "isn't it great to have all the bigtime programs stacked in two conferences playing each other every week", how do they deal with the missouris and kentuckys and vandys and indianasand rutgers and marylands and illinois' and northwesterns? I mean those aren't bigtime football programs......wtf should they have a seat
at the table and not programs like oregon and washington(and even if oregon and washington get in, then Oklahoma State or Utah or
whoever).....
Another problem with trolls like colin cowherd is they act like there is some clear division between the haves and havenots and there are clean lines which can be drawn to see who gets a seat at the 'major college football' table and who doesn't.......but this is bullshit.
Take texas A&M and Oklahoma State. There is absolutely no doubt that Texas A&M is the better program. None. But the question is.....what percentage is Okie State relative to Texas A&M? 65% 70% 80%? I dont know the exact number, but it seems pretty damnclear that programs like Oklahoma State and Arizona State and West Virginia(just to name 3) very much have non-trivial value. More in some cases than the teams that do get a seat at the table due to grandfathering in.....
So it's all a big mess. People talk about having 40 or so teams that are playing 'bigtime college football' in what is essentially a couple conferences that will be where all the eyes and money and everything supposedly will be on.....but how true isthis? Because as noted above, about 10 of those 40 teams won't even really be in the top 40 in terms of program profile....and then there are another 10-12 programs that are fairly close in value to the bottom fourth of the 'top 30'......what happens to
OTOH it's funny to go over to the big12 forum and see fans of programs like UCF and Houston and Cincy beating their chest
as if being in a 'power 5' program means a damn thing anymore.
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