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    From xyzzy@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 31 11:56:43 2022
    Not only was Bob Dole the first presidential candidate to have a website,
    but it’s still up.

    http://www.dolekemp96.org/main.htm

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    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, liberal personality.” — Altie

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  • From unclejr@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Tue May 31 06:06:48 2022
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 6:56:47 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
    Not only was Bob Dole the first presidential candidate to have a website, but it’s still up.

    http://www.dolekemp96.org/main.htm

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    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, liberal personality.” — Altie

    I wish the GQP was normal again like Bob Dole and Jack Kemp.

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to unclejr on Tue May 31 10:50:53 2022
    On 5/31/2022 9:06 AM, unclejr wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 6:56:47 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
    Not only was Bob Dole the first presidential candidate to have a website,
    but it’s still up.

    http://www.dolekemp96.org/main.htm

    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian,
    liberal personality.” — Altie

    I wish the GQP was normal again like Bob Dole and Jack Kemp.

    I wish the Democratic Party was normal again like JFK.

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  • From unclejr@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Tue May 31 08:36:16 2022
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:51:00 AM UTC-5, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/31/2022 9:06 AM, unclejr wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 6:56:47 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
    Not only was Bob Dole the first presidential candidate to have a website, >> but it’s still up.

    http://www.dolekemp96.org/main.htm

    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, >> liberal personality.” — Altie

    I wish the GQP was normal again like Bob Dole and Jack Kemp.
    I wish the Democratic Party was normal again like JFK.

    What exactly about the corporate wing of the Democratic Party that is currently in charge (Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, etc.) do you object to? They seem mainstream and "normal" to me.

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  • From floaterjr@21:1/5 to unclejr on Tue May 31 08:51:51 2022
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:36:19 AM UTC-4, unclejr wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:51:00 AM UTC-5, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/31/2022 9:06 AM, unclejr wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 6:56:47 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
    Not only was Bob Dole the first presidential candidate to have a website,
    but it’s still up.

    http://www.dolekemp96.org/main.htm

    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian,
    liberal personality.” — Altie

    I wish the GQP was normal again like Bob Dole and Jack Kemp.
    I wish the Democratic Party was normal again like JFK.
    What exactly about the corporate wing of the Democratic Party that is currently in charge (Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, etc.) do you object to? They seem mainstream and "normal" to me.
    JFK and his attorney general went after corruption. Joe, Nancy and Chuck are part of the corruption of American politics.

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to unclejr on Tue May 31 12:08:14 2022
    On 5/31/2022 11:36 AM, unclejr wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:51:00 AM UTC-5, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/31/2022 9:06 AM, unclejr wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 6:56:47 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
    Not only was Bob Dole the first presidential candidate to have a website, >>>> but it’s still up.

    http://www.dolekemp96.org/main.htm

    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, >>>> liberal personality.” — Altie

    I wish the GQP was normal again like Bob Dole and Jack Kemp.
    I wish the Democratic Party was normal again like JFK.

    What exactly about the corporate wing of the Democratic Party that is currently in charge (Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, etc.) do you object to? They seem mainstream and "normal" to me.

    They want to pull more power to Washington from the states. For a start.

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    Слава Україні та НАТО

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  • From unclejr@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Tue May 31 10:13:40 2022
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:08:19 AM UTC-5, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/31/2022 11:36 AM, unclejr wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:51:00 AM UTC-5, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/31/2022 9:06 AM, unclejr wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 6:56:47 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
    Not only was Bob Dole the first presidential candidate to have a website,
    but it’s still up.

    http://www.dolekemp96.org/main.htm

    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian,
    liberal personality.” — Altie

    I wish the GQP was normal again like Bob Dole and Jack Kemp.
    I wish the Democratic Party was normal again like JFK.

    What exactly about the corporate wing of the Democratic Party that is currently in charge (Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, etc.) do you object to? They seem mainstream and "normal" to me.
    They want to pull more power to Washington from the states. For a start.

    OK. We can debate that policy among serious-minded legislators.

    But we cannot debate those Republicans who believe that Trump won the 2020 election despite Republican gains in all other sectors of government, the "deep state" that is out to take your freedoms, January 6th 2021 was a peaceful tour of "patriots"
    through our nation's Capitol, etc. etc. because they don't live in reality.

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to unclejr on Tue May 31 13:07:08 2022
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 10:13:42 AM UTC-7, unclejr wrote:

    OK. We can debate that policy among serious-minded legislators.

    But we cannot debate those Republicans who believe that Trump won the 2020 election despite Republican gains in all other sectors of government, the "deep state" that is out to take your freedoms, January 6th 2021 was a peaceful tour of "patriots"
    through our nation's Capitol, etc. etc. because they don't live in reality.

    This is where my experience as a presumed-depraved celebrity stalker comes in.

    We can't agree on the most fundamental of "reality".

    There is such a fundamental disconnect between R's and D's that we can't even fundamentally agree on what is going on.

    The anti-intelligent non-human Marjorie Taylor Greene actually believes we are going to see (if we aren't already -- through the vaccines or something done beforehand) little electrical impulses put into the body to control what we eat and how much we
    eat.

    That a cheeseburger (rather than a Bill Gates Peach Tree Dish job -- yes, she said "Peach Tree Dish", not Petri Dish) would result in a zap to our bodies. If that's the case, there would be fried fat all over my walls and I wouldn't exist.

    This is why we are going to have to concede to shoot our way out of this: We can't agree on what's even human -- forget the concept of not knowing male from female. We can't even agree on the most fundamental of realities.

    And if you simply want to take it from a political perspective, I left two questions for Ken I'll posit here:

    1) If the 2020 election was a nationwide stolen election to the tune of at least 20-30 million popular votes, then how can another election be held now or at any time in the foreseeable future?

    2) If you're one of these Molon Labe/2A types, if the point of shooting to kill the government and all liberals reliant on it has not been reached (especially see 1), the vaccines, and the stimuli, etc.), what WOULD IT TAKE?

    Mike

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Tue May 31 12:54:14 2022
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:51:00 AM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    I wish the Democratic Party was normal again like JFK.

    They're still trying to find the rest of the reason that's not the case.

    He didn't act alone.

    Mike

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Tue May 31 12:59:05 2022
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:08:19 AM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    They want to pull more power to Washington from the states. For a start.

    Basically, in short, the red states really want red -- blood.

    Much of the reason the 14th repealed the 10th was because of the fact that the Federal government recognized, given the chance, that the states would kill those demographics they desired to see dead and turn the other way when asked about it.

    If God created all men equal and imbued them with inalienable rights (which he did NOT, but that's the assumption worked under -- all equality IS an enforcement by the state, for this very reason), the Federal government was going to have to step in and
    come over the top. Which see the implementation of the National Guard to segregate some of the schools in the South, as just one example.

    If you want the power back in the States, then you must realize that there are going to be certain states in which certain types of people are straight-up dead.

    If you want an example of that line of thinking, even as things stand now, I present Uvalde, TX.

    Mike

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  • From Emperor Wonko the Sane@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Thu Jun 2 08:13:09 2022
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 2:59:08 PM UTC-5, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:08:19 AM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    They want to pull more power to Washington from the states. For a start.
    Basically, in short, the red states really want red -- blood.

    Much of the reason the 14th repealed the 10th was because of the fact that the Federal government recognized, given the chance, that the states would kill those demographics they desired to see dead and turn the other way when asked about it.

    If God created all men equal and imbued them with inalienable rights (which he did NOT, but that's the assumption worked under -- all equality IS an enforcement by the state, for this very reason), the Federal government was going to have to step in
    and come over the top. Which see the implementation of the National Guard to segregate some of the schools in the South, as just one example.

    If you want the power back in the States, then you must realize that there are going to be certain states in which certain types of people are straight-up dead.

    If you want an example of that line of thinking, even as things stand now, I present Uvalde, TX.


    I'm going to assume this is bait.

    Doug

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Emperor Wonko the Sane on Thu Jun 2 11:29:28 2022
    On 6/2/2022 11:13 AM, Emperor Wonko the Sane wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 2:59:08 PM UTC-5, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:08:19 AM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    They want to pull more power to Washington from the states. For a start.
    Basically, in short, the red states really want red -- blood.

    Much of the reason the 14th repealed the 10th was because of the fact that the Federal government recognized, given the chance, that the states would kill those demographics they desired to see dead and turn the other way when asked about it.

    If God created all men equal and imbued them with inalienable rights (which he did NOT, but that's the assumption worked under -- all equality IS an enforcement by the state, for this very reason), the Federal government was going to have to step in
    and come over the top. Which see the implementation of the National Guard to segregate some of the schools in the South, as just one example.

    If you want the power back in the States, then you must realize that there are going to be certain states in which certain types of people are straight-up dead.

    If you want an example of that line of thinking, even as things stand now, I present Uvalde, TX.


    I'm going to assume this is bait.

    Doug

    I did. What I'm talking about isn't an all or nothing. Both the states
    and the Federal Government have their roles, as do lower levels of
    government. I'm referring to more of a philosophical position. There
    are probably plenty of rules in my area that wouldn't work well in other
    areas, along with lack of rules. Vice versa as well.

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Thu Jun 2 13:29:34 2022
    On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:29:33 AM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    I did. What I'm talking about isn't an all or nothing. Both the states
    and the Federal Government have their roles, as do lower levels of government. I'm referring to more of a philosophical position. There
    are probably plenty of rules in my area that wouldn't work well in other areas, along with lack of rules. Vice versa as well.

    I would seriously like to know what role the Federal Government would have in a states' rights scenario.

    Seriously.

    Mike

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Fri Jun 3 06:36:41 2022
    On 6/2/2022 4:29 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:29:33 AM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    s would be
    I did. What I'm talking about isn't an all or nothing. Both the states
    and the Federal Government have their roles, as do lower levels of
    government. I'm referring to more of a philosophical position. There
    are probably plenty of rules in my area that wouldn't work well in other
    areas, along with lack of rules. Vice versa as well.

    I would seriously like to know what role the Federal Government would have in a states' rights scenario.

    Seriously.

    Mike

    Foreign policy, military defense, disputes that are interstate, rights
    as described in the Constitution and its amendments, and other things as necessary. The number of acronyms would be reduced.

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Fri Jun 3 12:52:01 2022
    On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 3:36:46 AM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    Foreign policy,

    The foreign policy of which states?

    To graduate this to a current hypothetical: How many of the red states would either want us out of the Ukraine situation entirely, or even in support of Putin?

    military defense,

    Another one of those bugaboos of the courts' misinterpretation of the Second. This WOULD, then, mean you'd have far more of the rank and file's skin in the game if you went state by state. You also would (again, graduating to a current hypothetical)
    have a very real chance one state would invade another. (Say, Flyovers vs. West Coast, in a real live shooting war?)

    disputes that are interstate,

    That would be about one purview in which I could see you are right, but we can't agree as to who is even human at this point.

    rights as described in the Constitution and its amendments,

    What Constitution and which amendments? I don't mean that to be as pedantic as you might think. Remember that the red states would like us to go back to the Founders' intention (only White cis-male people with money have any rights at all). You'd
    literally have state Constitutions running the roost in a states' rights scenario. The Federal Constitution, at best, would be a fallacy.

    Mike

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