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  • How Russia collapses

    From xyzzy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 26 23:44:42 2022
    Long, but interesting thread.

    https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1507819508609679364?s=21&t=lPXxCIcN-g-Wn0XAgoMW2A

    tl;dr:

    Russia’s economy is much more import-dependent than we realize. Even its military factories rely on Western machinery and parts.

    Putin remains popular and his cult of personality is strong. So when things
    go to shit, it’s regional governors and mayors will take the blame and face the people’s wrath.

    They know this so to protect their own asses they are making their own region’s well-being the priority over any national needs (for example governors preventing food staples from being shipped out of their region).

    Result: Russia breaks apart in de facto economic separatism. It’s still officially one unified state but in reality not.


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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 26 18:54:26 2022
    Nope. I sense an economic alliance with China, with Eurasia as the eventual stakes.

    Putin gets Europe, Xi gets the rest of non-Russian Asia.

    Mike

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  • From TE@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Sun Mar 27 17:31:19 2022
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 9:54:27 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
    Nope. I sense an economic alliance with China, with Eurasia as the eventual stakes.

    Putin gets Europe, Xi gets the rest of non-Russian Asia.

    Not bad. Russia would be a junior partner in any alliance. The Chinese can exploit Siberia's riches better than
    can the Russians. However, unless China takes the majority of the military responsibilities Putin isn't getting
    any more Europe than he already has and, and probably less.

    -TE

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 01:39:13 2022
    On 3/27/2022 8:31 PM, TE wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 9:54:27 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
    Nope. I sense an economic alliance with China, with Eurasia as the eventual stakes.

    Putin gets Europe, Xi gets the rest of non-Russian Asia.

    Not bad. Russia would be a junior partner in any alliance. The Chinese can exploit Siberia's riches better than
    can the Russians. However, unless China takes the majority of the military responsibilities Putin isn't getting
    any more Europe than he already has and, and probably less.

    -TE
    China would be "tied to a corpse" but would benefit from cheap gas and
    oil, as would India.

    It will be interesting to see how all of the sanctions play out once the
    war ends. I doubt many nations are going to welcome back Russia with
    open arms.

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Mon Mar 28 00:40:53 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, RoddyMcCorley wrote:

    It will be interesting to see how all of the sanctions play out once the
    war ends. I doubt many nations are going to welcome back Russia with
    open arms.

    Russia's gone too far to turn back now. SOMEONE is getting nuked.

    Mike

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 00:40:22 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:31:22 PM UTC-7, TE wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 9:54:27 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
    Nope. I sense an economic alliance with China, with Eurasia as the eventual stakes.

    Putin gets Europe, Xi gets the rest of non-Russian Asia.
    Not bad. Russia would be a junior partner in any alliance.

    Russia would have the military might (read: nukes) to prevent Xi from getting completely out of line.

    The Chinese can exploit Siberia's riches better than
    can the Russians. However, unless China takes the majority of the military responsibilities Putin isn't getting
    any more Europe than he already has and, and probably less.

    I disagree for one reason: All he's got to do is go "I got nukes and I'm going to use them, neener neener neener..." and even Biden's handlers in the WH try to walk it back as if they are saying "Please don't nuke us, Most Powerful Man In The World..."

    Mike (... which Putin has been for more than a decade)

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Mon Mar 28 14:56:26 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 12:40:55 AM UTC-7, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, RoddyMcCorley wrote:

    It will be interesting to see how all of the sanctions play out once the war ends. I doubt many nations are going to welcome back Russia with
    open arms.
    Russia's gone too far to turn back now. SOMEONE is getting nuked.

    Note I did NOT necessarily say someone in the US. However, I do believe that will also be true.

    There are more than a few Putin-cheerers on the far right who believe that Putin should nuke one of the major RAF bases in the UK the USA tends to use.

    Good to see, though, that Biden is NOT walking back the comments, unlike some in his administration who want to make the US look like Putin's little bitch.

    Mike

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Mon Mar 28 18:48:56 2022
    On 3/28/2022 5:56 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 12:40:55 AM UTC-7, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, RoddyMcCorley wrote:

    It will be interesting to see how all of the sanctions play out once the >>> war ends. I doubt many nations are going to welcome back Russia with
    open arms.
    Russia's gone too far to turn back now. SOMEONE is getting nuked.

    Note I did NOT necessarily say someone in the US. However, I do believe that will also be true.

    There are more than a few Putin-cheerers on the far right who believe that Putin should nuke one of the major RAF bases in the UK the USA tends to use.

    Good to see, though, that Biden is NOT walking back the comments, unlike some in his administration who want to make the US look like Putin's little bitch.

    Mike

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