• NOTBCS and NOTCFP rankings, plus CFP Ranking Process

    From The NOTBCS Guy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 30 15:54:37 2023
    But first, since the first CFP rankings will be announced Tuesday around 7:30 Eastern, here is the CFP RANKING PROCEDURE:

    1. First of all, some of the 13 committee members have "recused" teams. These are schools where either the member works, or has an immediate family member that works or attends school there.
    The recusals for 2023 are:
    Chris Ault - Nevada (AD); UCLA (not sure)
    Mitch Barnhart - Kentucky (AD)
    Boo Corrigan - North Carolina State (AD); Notre Dame (brother Kevin is the men's lacrosse coach)
    Chet Gladchuk - Navy (AD); Houston (son John works there)
    Jim Grobe - Marshall (son Matt is the men's golf coach)
    Mark Harlan - Utah (AD)
    Warde Manuel - Michigan (AD)
    David Sayler - Miami Ohio (AD)
    Gene Taylor - Kansas State (AD)
    Rod West - Notre Dame (trustee)
    Kelly Whiteside - Rutgers (lecturer)

    2. Each member lists their top 30 teams, in any order, except for any of their recused teams. All teams on at least 3 lists, and all recused teams on 2, go into the "Eligible List"; only these teams can be ranked.
    There is also a "Ranking Pool" which starts out empty.

    The ranking process consists of seven rounds; in each round, conduct steps 3 and 4:

    3. Each member lists the top 6 (rounds 1-3) or 8 (rounds 4-7) teams still on the Eligible List, besides their recused teams.
    Enough teams with the most votes are moved from the Eligible List to the Ranking Pool until it has 6 (rounds 1-3) or 8 (rounds 4-7) teams.
    If a recused team would have tied for the last transfer spot with one more vote, it is considered to have one more vote.
    A tie for the last position is broken by a tiebreaker vote.

    4. The teams in the Ranking Pool are ranked by the members that do not have of their recused teams in the Pool, from 1 to 6 or 8 as appropriate.
    The 3 (rounds 1-3) or 4 (rounds 4-7) teams with the highest average rankings are removed from the Ranking Pool and given CFP rankings.
    For example, in Round 1, the top three teams become the #1, #2, and #3 teams in the CFP ranking.
    The remaining teams stay in the Ranking Pool for the next round.

    There are two special rules for the final rankings on 12/3:
    1. If none of the Group of 5 conference champions are ranked, the committee conducts a tiebreaker vote among the five teams to determine which one gets the Group of 5's CFP bowl berth.

    2. If Navy wins the American championship, a vote is conducted after the Army-Navy game to determine whether Navy or the highest ranked of the other four Group of 5 conference champions gets the bowl berth.

    Note that, even if James Madison is bowl eligible and is ranked higher than all five of the Group of 5 conference champions (as of now, it is ineligible to play in the Sun Belt championship game), it cannot get the CFP Group of 5 bowl berth.
    It is eligible to earn an "at large" bowl berth if it is ranked high enough - again, assuming it is bowl eligible.


    NOTBCS
    Michigan, 0
    Ohio State, 0.34
    Georgia, 1.43
    Florida State, 1.47
    Washington, 3.38
    Texas, 4.44
    Oregon, 4.69
    Alabama, 5.44
    Penn State, 6.57
    Oklahoma, 8.08
    Mississippi, 8.42
    Notre Dame, 10.05
    LSU, 11.44
    Missouri, 13.37
    Louisville, 13.73
    Air Force, 16.01
    Oregon State, 16.09
    Utah, 16.27
    Tennessee, 16.73
    James Madison, 18.89
    UCLA, 18.94
    Kansas State, 19.09
    USC, 19.76
    Tulane, 19.99
    Kansas, 20.59
    Liberty, 21.78
    North Carolina, 22.55
    Oklahoma State, 22.56
    Texas A&M, 22.88
    Duke, 23.05
    Iowa, 23.2
    Arizona, 23.25
    Fresno State, 23.25
    Miami, 23.31
    SMU, 23.38
    Troy, 23.4
    Clemson, 23.44
    Wisconsin, 23.58
    Toledo, 23.59
    Florida, 23.62
    Rutgers, 23.63
    TCU, 23.63
    Maryland, 23.63
    Iowa State, 23.65
    Colorado, 23.66
    Auburn, 23.66 << there's auburn, right there
    all others, 23.67

    NOTCFP
    #1: Ohio State
    #2: Michigan
    #3: Florida State
    #4: Texas
    #5: Washington
    #6: Oregon
    #7: Alabama
    #8: Penn State
    #9: Georgia
    #10: Oklahoma
    #11: Mississippi
    #12: Notre Dame
    #13: Kansas State
    #14: LSU
    #15: Missouri
    #16: Louisville
    #17: Oregon State
    #18: Utah
    #19: USC
    #20: James Madison
    #21: Air Force
    #22: UCLA
    #23: Tennessee
    #24: Kansas
    #25: Iowa

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to The NOTBCS Guy on Tue Oct 31 14:25:06 2023
    On 10/30/2023 6:54 PM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    But first, since the first CFP rankings will be announced Tuesday around 7:30 Eastern, here is the CFP RANKING PROCEDURE:


    I'd like to see them go back to the old BCS ranking that largely takes
    the human factor out of the selection. If you finish in the top 12, then
    you are in. You know the formula ahead of time and it is reasonably
    objective. If the lesser conferences don't make it in, tough.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is."

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  • From The NOTBCS Guy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 11:55:25 2023
    I'd like to see them go back to the old BCS ranking that largely takes
    the human factor out of the selection. If you finish in the top 12, then
    you are in. You know the formula ahead of time and it is reasonably objective. If the lesser conferences don't make it in, tough.

    First of all, 2/3 of the BCS ranking is "human factor," but instead of 13 committee members, you have 127 (assuming you go back to using the AP poll - there hasn't been a Harris poll since BCS ended).

    Second, none of the teams know for certain what the complete formula is, as, except for Colley, the computer ranking methodologies are kept private.

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