We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to run out of gas sooner rather than later.
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to run out of gas sooner rather than later.
What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to run out of gas sooner rather than later.rather than going around them because the engines aren't powerful enough.
I think we need to incentivize investment in research - say, a set of prizes to the first companies that can:
(a) Fly an electric-powered plane from PHNL (Honolulu) to KLAX (Los Angeles) with 10,000 kg of freight (simulating 100 overweight passengers) in under 6 hours;
(b) Drive a truck filled with goods, or their equivalent weight, along I-80 from Omaha to Sacramento with an average speed matching what trucks can do now - the point being that it has to be able to make it over both the Rockies and the Sierra Nevadas,
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going toWhat is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
run out of gas sooner rather than later.
<joe@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to >>> run out of gas sooner rather than later.What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE
engines.
<joe@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to >>> run out of gas sooner rather than later.What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE
engines.
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
<joe@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to >>>> run out of gas sooner rather than later.What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas >> cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE
engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread adoption, etc.
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
<joe@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to >>>>> run out of gas sooner rather than later.What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
Even if its 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas >>> cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE
engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased >> use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread >> adoption, etc.
No, it doesnt. There are multiple studies on this including by the Argonne >National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in >the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the
US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:01:06 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:And if the entire world converted to renewable, green energy sources, no coal or oil and any bad stuff, zero carbon emmisions from anything in the
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
<joe@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to >>>>>> run out of gas sooner rather than later.What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas
cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE
engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased >>> use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread >>> adoption, etc.
No, it doesn’t. There are multiple studies on this including by the Argonne
National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in >> the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the >> US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.
world anywhere, would global warming stop?
On 8/22/2023 2:42 PM, joe@mich.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:01:06 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:And if the entire world converted to renewable, green energy sources, no coal or oil and any bad stuff, zero carbon emmisions from anything in the
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
<joe@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going toWhat is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
run out of gas sooner rather than later.
Even if its 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas >>>>> cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE
engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased
use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread >>>> adoption, etc.
No, it doesnt. There are multiple studies on this including by the Argonne >>> National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in >>> the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the >>> US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.
world anywhere, would global warming stop?
No. We are in an inter-glacial warming period.
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:47:56 -0400, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 2:42 PM, j...@mich.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:01:06 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:And if the entire world converted to renewable, green energy sources, no coal or oil and any bad stuff, zero carbon emmisions from anything in the
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
<j...@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going toWhat is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
run out of gas sooner rather than later.
Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas
cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE >>>>> engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased
use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread
adoption, etc.
No, it doesn’t. There are multiple studies on this including by the Argonne
National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in
the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the
US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.
world anywhere, would global warming stop?
No. We are in an inter-glacial warming period.WHAT!! Do you mean this has happened before? Glaciers have melted before? Florida and other areas have been under water before? Good heavens. Then why
all the hoopla and expense? Is it just an exercise to make lefties feel good, thinking they are doing something when they're just pissing in the wind?
Kind of like Lyndon Johnson turning off the lights in the White House to reduce the national debt?
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:42?AM UTC-7, j...@mich.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:47:56 -0400, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org> wrote: >>
On 8/22/2023 2:42 PM, j...@mich.com wrote:WHAT!! Do you mean this has happened before? Glaciers have melted before? Florida and other areas have been under water before? Good heavens. Then why
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:01:06 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:And if the entire world converted to renewable, green energy sources, no coal or oil and any bad stuff, zero carbon emmisions from anything in the
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
<j...@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going toWhat is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
run out of gas sooner rather than later.
Even if its 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas
cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE
engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased
use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread
adoption, etc.
No, it doesnt. There are multiple studies on this including by the Argonne
National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in
the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the
US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.
world anywhere, would global warming stop?
No. We are in an inter-glacial warming period.
all the hoopla and expense? Is it just an exercise to make lefties feel good, thinking they are doing something when they're just pissing in the wind?
Kind of like Lyndon Johnson turning off the lights in the White House to reduce the national debt?
Never mind what the majority of scientists say.
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:01:06 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
<joe@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to >>>>>> run out of gas sooner rather than later.What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
Even if its 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas >>>> cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE
engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased >>> use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread >>> adoption, etc.
No, it doesnt. There are multiple studies on this including by the Argonne >>National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in >>the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the >>US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.
And if the entire world converted to renewable, green energy
sources, no coal or oil and any bad stuff, zero carbon emmisions
from anything in the world anywhere, would global warming stop?
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
<joe@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to >>>>> run out of gas sooner rather than later.What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas >>> cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE
engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased >> use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread >> adoption, etc.
No, it doesn’t. There are multiple studies on this including by the Argonne National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the
US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:42 AM UTC-7, j...@mich.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:47:56 -0400, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org> wrote: >>
On 8/22/2023 2:42 PM, j...@mich.com wrote:WHAT!! Do you mean this has happened before? Glaciers have melted before? Florida and other areas have been under water before? Good heavens. Then why
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:01:06 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:And if the entire world converted to renewable, green energy sources, no coal or oil and any bad stuff, zero carbon emmisions from anything in the
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
<j...@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going toWhat is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
run out of gas sooner rather than later.
Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas
cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE
engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased
use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread
adoption, etc.
No, it doesn’t. There are multiple studies on this including by the Argonne
National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in
the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the
US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.
world anywhere, would global warming stop?
No. We are in an inter-glacial warming period.
all the hoopla and expense? Is it just an exercise to make lefties feel good, thinking they are doing something when they're just pissing in the wind?
Kind of like Lyndon Johnson turning off the lights in the White House to reduce the national debt?
Never mind what the majority of scientists say.
On 2023-08-23, Eric Ramon <ramon.eric@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:42 AM UTC-7, j...@mich.com wrote: >>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:47:56 -0400, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 2:42 PM, j...@mich.com wrote:WHAT!! Do you mean this has happened before? Glaciers have melted before? Florida and other areas have been under water before? Good heavens. Then why
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:01:06 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:And if the entire world converted to renewable, green energy sources, no coal or oil and any bad stuff, zero carbon emmisions from anything in the
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
<j...@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going toWhat is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
run out of gas sooner rather than later.
Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas
cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE >>>>>>>> engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased
use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread
adoption, etc.
No, it doesn’t. There are multiple studies on this including by the Argonne
National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in
the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the
US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.
world anywhere, would global warming stop?
No. We are in an inter-glacial warming period.
all the hoopla and expense? Is it just an exercise to make lefties feel good, thinking they are doing something when they're just pissing in the wind?
Kind of like Lyndon Johnson turning off the lights in the White House to reduce the national debt?
Never mind what the majority of scientists say.
I mind about it quite a bit. And they don't say that the world is experiencing heat waves,
droughts, floods, hurricanes, or tornadoes because of "climate change":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l90FpjPGLBE
On 8/24/2023 11:31 AM, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Eric Ramon <ramon.eric@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:42 AM UTC-7, j...@mich.com wrote: >>>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:47:56 -0400, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 2:42 PM, j...@mich.com wrote:WHAT!! Do you mean this has happened before? Glaciers have melted before? Florida and other areas have been under water before? Good heavens. Then why
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:01:06 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:And if the entire world converted to renewable, green energy sources, no coal or oil and any bad stuff, zero carbon emmisions from anything in the
On 2023-08-22, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
<j...@mich.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy
<don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going toWhat is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
run out of gas sooner rather than later.
Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment than gas
cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE >>>>>>>>> engines.
This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased
use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread
adoption, etc.
No, it doesn’t. There are multiple studies on this including by the Argonne
National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in
the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the
US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.
world anywhere, would global warming stop?
No. We are in an inter-glacial warming period.
all the hoopla and expense? Is it just an exercise to make lefties feel good, thinking they are doing something when they're just pissing in the wind?
Kind of like Lyndon Johnson turning off the lights in the White House to reduce the national debt?
Never mind what the majority of scientists say.
I mind about it quite a bit. And they don't say that the world is experiencing heat waves,
droughts, floods, hurricanes, or tornadoes because of "climate change":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l90FpjPGLBE
Is that Charlie Rose old studio ?
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 11:12:10 -0700 (PDT), Eric Ramon <ramon...@gmail.com> wrote:
Never mind what the majority of scientists say.Didn't the majority of scientists at one time say the earth was the center of the universe? .
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 6:22:53 AM UTC-7, j...@mich.com wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 11:12:10 -0700 (PDT), Eric Ramon <ramon...@gmail.com> wrote:
Never mind what the majority of scientists say.Didn't the majority of scientists at one time say the earth was the
center of the universe? .
how do you know the earth *isn't* the center of the universe? Are you
taking the word of some scientists? I should check this...I thought it
was the Catholic Church that was saying the earth is the center and scientists disagreed.
Anyway, it's a very convenient out for nutjobs. Science is always "as far
as we know now" so sometimes hypotheses are shown to be wrong. It's convenient because you can then disregard everything and believe whatever you want.
It's not just a righty thing, either. I was looking at a lefty site this morning and someone posted a nutjob article about the first moon landing.
"If Armstrong was the first man on the moon, who took the photograph?" Jeez...and the comments were "if the government could lie to us about
that then they could lie about everything".
Also on that lefty site, the consensus is that thinking Putin had
anything to do with Prigozhin getting offed is conspiracy theory since it
was likely the CIA. Eh, what??
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to run out of gas sooner rather than later.What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an electric car?
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