• Titanic and the Tourist Sub

    From irishranger317@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 21 00:08:55 2023
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this.
    At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike

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  • From xyzzy@21:1/5 to irishranger317@gmail.com on Wed Jun 21 14:22:30 2023
    irishranger317@gmail.com <irishranger317@gmail.com> wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this.
    At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Everything about that sub seems like a NOPE to me. Including that it is
    sealed from the outside so even if the emergency surfacing mechanisms work
    they could still suffocate while floating on the surface hoping rescuers
    find them.

    --
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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to irishranger317@gmail.com on Wed Jun 21 17:28:24 2023
    On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishranger317@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this.
    At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike

    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was
    the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were
    drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also
    have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners.

    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from
    the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from
    Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three
    minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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  • From irishranger317@gmail.com@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Thu Jun 22 05:17:42 2023
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this. At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was
    the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also
    have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners.

    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from
    the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three
    minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub.
    Karma

    Irish Mike

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  • From xyzzy@21:1/5 to irishranger317@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 15:40:17 2023
    irishranger317@gmail.com <irishranger317@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this. >>> At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was
    the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The
    bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were
    drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also
    have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners.

    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from
    the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from
    Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three
    minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub.
    Karma

    Irish Mike


    According to a news article my wife saw, 7:08 am eastern time today is the longest their air could last. So RIP I guess.

    If it imploded they’ll probably never find it.

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  • From xyzzy@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Thu Jun 22 19:39:11 2023
    xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishranger317@gmail.com <irishranger317@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this. >>>> At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was >>> the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The
    bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were
    drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also
    have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners.

    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from
    the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from
    Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three
    minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub.
    Karma

    Irish Mike


    According to a news article my wife saw, 7:08 am eastern time today is the longest their air could last. So RIP I guess.

    If it imploded they’ll probably never find it.


    Well that was about as fast as a prediction has been disproven here.

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Sat Jun 24 12:48:53 2023
    On 2023-06-21, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishranger317@gmail.com <irishranger317@gmail.com> wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this.
    At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Everything about that sub seems like a NOPE to me. Including that it is sealed from the outside so even if the emergency surfacing mechanisms work they could still suffocate while floating on the surface hoping rescuers
    find them.

    On the FB group for my submarine, we have multiple submarine engineers who mention several red flags on the design. First is the use of two materials, titanium and carbon alloys, which will have different temperature and pressure characteristics. They say the behavior of that on a pressure hull operating
    at that depth is unknown, and they suspect that this was the reason for the catastrophic hull failure.

    Second is that both titanium and carbon alloys have already been found
    to be unsuitable for long-term stress in underwater environments. The
    Russians had a number of problems with their titanium hulls, and the U.S.
    has never used them partly for this reason.

    --
    Find the grain of truth in criticism, chew it, and swallow
    it. -- anonymous

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Sat Jun 24 12:51:14 2023
    On 2023-06-22, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishranger317@gmail.com <irishranger317@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote: >>>> On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this. >>>>> At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was >>>> the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The >>>> bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were
    drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also
    have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners.

    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from
    the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from >>>> Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three
    minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub.
    Karma

    Irish Mike


    According to a news article my wife saw, 7:08 am eastern time today is the >> longest their air could last. So RIP I guess.

    If it imploded they’ll probably never find it.


    Well that was about as fast as a prediction has been disproven here.


    They knew it was gone a few days ago. SOSUS (Sound Surveillance
    System) heard the implosion event. It's unclear whether they told the
    Coast Guard right away, but they wouldn't release the info as the
    SOSUS network is still top secret.

    --
    Find the grain of truth in criticism, chew it, and swallow
    it. -- anonymous

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  • From xyzzy@21:1/5 to unhyphenated American on Sat Jun 24 14:48:33 2023
    Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-22, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishranger317@gmail.com <irishranger317@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote: >>>>> On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this. >>>>>> At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was >>>>> the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The >>>>> bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were >>>>> drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also >>>>> have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners.

    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from >>>>> the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from >>>>> Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three
    minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub. >>>> Karma

    Irish Mike


    According to a news article my wife saw, 7:08 am eastern time today is the >>> longest their air could last. So RIP I guess.

    If it imploded they’ll probably never find it.


    Well that was about as fast as a prediction has been disproven here.


    They knew it was gone a few days ago. SOSUS (Sound Surveillance
    System) heard the implosion event. It's unclear whether they told the
    Coast Guard right away, but they wouldn't release the info as the
    SOSUS network is still top secret.


    I’m glad for them it was an implosion and not a slow death from suffocation that gave them plenty of time to contemplate their situation.

    But I don’t buy that it was so instantaneous that they never knew what hit them. Sure the implosion event itself but surely there was creaking and
    leaking beforehand?

    --
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  • From mercellusb@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Sat Jun 24 07:46:16 2023
    On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:39:16 PM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
    xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishra...@gmail.com <irishra...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote: >>> On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this.
    At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was >>> the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The >>> bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were >>> drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also >>> have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners.

    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from >>> the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from >>> Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three
    minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub.
    Karma

    Irish Mike


    According to a news article my wife saw, 7:08 am eastern time today is the longest their air could last. So RIP I guess.

    If it imploded they’ll probably never find it.

    Well that was about as fast as a prediction has been disproven here.
    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, liberal personality.” — Altie
    TMML

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  • From mercellusb@21:1/5 to unhyphenated American on Sat Jun 24 07:49:38 2023
    On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 7:48:58 AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
    On 2023-06-21, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishra...@gmail.com <irishra...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this. >> At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Everything about that sub seems like a NOPE to me. Including that it is sealed from the outside so even if the emergency surfacing mechanisms work they could still suffocate while floating on the surface hoping rescuers find them.
    On the FB group for my submarine, we have multiple submarine engineers who mention several red flags on the design. First is the use of two materials, titanium and carbon alloys, which will have different temperature and pressure
    characteristics. They say the behavior of that on a pressure hull operating at that depth is unknown, and they suspect that this was the reason for the catastrophic hull failure.

    Second is that both titanium and carbon alloys have already been found
    to be unsuitable for long-term stress in underwater environments. The Russians had a number of problems with their titanium hulls, and the U.S. has never used them partly for this reason.

    --
    Find the grain of truth in criticism, chew it, and swallow
    it. -- anonymous

    Carbon fiber is great for race cars, not so much under compression.

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  • From mercellusb@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Sat Jun 24 07:50:07 2023
    On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 9:48:37 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
    Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-22, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishra...@gmail.com <irishra...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote: >>>>> On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see >>>>>> the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel >>>>>> didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this.
    At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was
    the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The >>>>> bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were >>>>> drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also >>>>> have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners. >>>>>
    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from >>>>> the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from >>>>> Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three >>>>> minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In >>>>> practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub. >>>> Karma

    Irish Mike


    According to a news article my wife saw, 7:08 am eastern time today is the
    longest their air could last. So RIP I guess.

    If it imploded they’ll probably never find it.


    Well that was about as fast as a prediction has been disproven here.


    They knew it was gone a few days ago. SOSUS (Sound Surveillance
    System) heard the implosion event. It's unclear whether they told the Coast Guard right away, but they wouldn't release the info as the
    SOSUS network is still top secret.

    I’m glad for them it was an implosion and not a slow death from suffocation
    that gave them plenty of time to contemplate their situation.

    But I don’t buy that it was so instantaneous that they never knew what hit them. Sure the implosion event itself but surely there was creaking and leaking beforehand?
    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, liberal personality.” — Altie
    tick tick boom

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  • From mercellusb@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Sat Jun 24 07:57:14 2023
    On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 9:48:37 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
    Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-22, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishra...@gmail.com <irishra...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote: >>>>> On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see >>>>>> the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel >>>>>> didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this.
    At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was
    the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The >>>>> bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were >>>>> drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also >>>>> have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners. >>>>>
    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from >>>>> the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from >>>>> Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three >>>>> minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In >>>>> practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub. >>>> Karma

    Irish Mike


    According to a news article my wife saw, 7:08 am eastern time today is the
    longest their air could last. So RIP I guess.

    If it imploded they’ll probably never find it.


    Well that was about as fast as a prediction has been disproven here.


    They knew it was gone a few days ago. SOSUS (Sound Surveillance
    System) heard the implosion event. It's unclear whether they told the Coast Guard right away, but they wouldn't release the info as the
    SOSUS network is still top secret.

    I’m glad for them it was an implosion and not a slow death from suffocation
    that gave them plenty of time to contemplate their situation.

    But I don’t buy that it was so instantaneous that they never knew what hit them. Sure the implosion event itself but surely there was creaking and leaking beforehand?
    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, liberal personality.” — Altie

    The article where they get quotes from James Cameron is good. He said that whatever sensors were being used, that it’s not like a “check oil” light. Hey, has anyone seen Kate Winslet lately?

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Mon Jun 26 01:41:15 2023
    On 2023-06-24, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-22, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishranger317@gmail.com <irishranger317@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote: >>>>>> On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this.
    At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was >>>>>> the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The >>>>>> bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were >>>>>> drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also >>>>>> have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners. >>>>>>
    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from >>>>>> the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from >>>>>> Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three
    minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In >>>>>> practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub. >>>>> Karma

    Irish Mike


    According to a news article my wife saw, 7:08 am eastern time today is the >>>> longest their air could last. So RIP I guess.

    If it imploded they’ll probably never find it.


    Well that was about as fast as a prediction has been disproven here.


    They knew it was gone a few days ago. SOSUS (Sound Surveillance
    System) heard the implosion event. It's unclear whether they told the
    Coast Guard right away, but they wouldn't release the info as the
    SOSUS network is still top secret.


    I’m glad for them it was an implosion and not a slow death from suffocation that gave them plenty of time to contemplate their situation.

    Yup. Much better to be instantly turned into tomato paste than slow suffocation.

    But I don’t buy that it was so instantaneous that they never knew what hit them. Sure the implosion event itself but surely there was creaking and leaking beforehand?

    If they were at depth, death was instantaneous. I have had discussions
    on this topic with knowledgeable people. When you face this kind of death
    on a regular basis, you can't help but think and talk about it.

    --
    Envy was once considered to be one of the seven deadly sins before
    it became one of the most admired virtues under its new name,
    'social justice'. -- Thomas Sowell

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to mercellusb on Mon Jun 26 01:41:54 2023
    On 2023-06-24, mercellusb <tdrake7@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 9:48:37 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
    Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-22, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishra...@gmail.com <irishra...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote: >> >>>>> On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where
    the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine"
    that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see
    the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel
    didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system
    that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this.
    At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was
    the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The >> >>>>> bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were >> >>>>> drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also >> >>>>> have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners.

    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from >> >>>>> the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from >> >>>>> Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three
    minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub. >> >>>> Karma

    Irish Mike


    According to a news article my wife saw, 7:08 am eastern time today is the
    longest their air could last. So RIP I guess.

    If it imploded they’ll probably never find it.


    Well that was about as fast as a prediction has been disproven here.


    They knew it was gone a few days ago. SOSUS (Sound Surveillance
    System) heard the implosion event. It's unclear whether they told the
    Coast Guard right away, but they wouldn't release the info as the
    SOSUS network is still top secret.

    I’m glad for them it was an implosion and not a slow death from suffocation
    that gave them plenty of time to contemplate their situation.

    But I don’t buy that it was so instantaneous that they never knew what hit >> them. Sure the implosion event itself but surely there was creaking and
    leaking beforehand?
    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian,
    liberal personality.” — Altie

    tick tick boom

    That's pretty apt.

    --
    Personally, I liked the university. They gave us money and facilities,
    we didn't have to produce anything! You've never been out of college!
    You don't know what it's like out there! I've *worked* in the private
    sector. They expect *results*. -- "Dr. Ray Stantz", Ghostbusters

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  • From TimV@21:1/5 to unhyphenated American on Mon Jun 26 17:25:37 2023
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:41:19 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
    On 2023-06-24, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-22, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
    irishra...@gmail.com <irishra...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-4, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 6/21/2023 3:08 AM, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
    Two things about the Titanic and the missing tourist
    submarine. First thing. If you have an interest in
    the Titanic and its history, you would really enjoy the
    Titanic Museum in Belfast, N. Ireland. This place is truly
    remarkable and located by the Harland & Wolff ship yard where >>>>>>> the Titanic was built. I've been to a bunch of museums and
    this is one of the best.

    Second thing: I don't know much about the "tourist submarine" >>>>>>> that has gone missing while trying to do a deep to actually see >>>>>>> the sunken Titanic. But is seems strange to me that this vessel >>>>>>> didn't have some kind of high-tech fail-proof signaling system >>>>>>> that could be remotely activated just in case of an emergency like this.
    At least the rescue ships could find it.

    In any case, the odds look bad for the five people trapped
    on the sub but I pray they make it.

    Irish Mike
    Visited Titanic Belfast a few years ago and stayed in the hotel that was
    the original offices of Harland & Wolf. They did it up quite well. The
    bar/restaurant is the old drawing room where the plans for ships were >>>>>> drafted. Museum and surrounding shipyard is also excellent. They also >>>>>> have the original tender that ferried passengers to various liners. >>>>>>
    Also worth visiting is the HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from >>>>>> the Battle of Jutland during WWI. It is a five to ten minute walk from
    Titanic Belfast. Unfortunately, it closed for the day about three >>>>>> minutes before I got there.

    RE: The submersible. Doesn't seem to be well engineered with
    survivability in mind.

    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In >>>>>> practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

    Well a former employee of the Tourist Sub company told the owner
    that the vessel was very unsafe for those depths and that
    they needed to make major design changes and upgrades. The owner
    fired him. The owner is now one of the five people trapped on the sub. >>>>> Karma

    Irish Mike


    According to a news article my wife saw, 7:08 am eastern time today is the
    longest their air could last. So RIP I guess.

    If it imploded they’ll probably never find it.


    Well that was about as fast as a prediction has been disproven here.


    They knew it was gone a few days ago. SOSUS (Sound Surveillance
    System) heard the implosion event. It's unclear whether they told the
    Coast Guard right away, but they wouldn't release the info as the
    SOSUS network is still top secret.


    I’m glad for them it was an implosion and not a slow death from suffocation
    that gave them plenty of time to contemplate their situation.
    Yup. Much better to be instantly turned into tomato paste than slow suffocation.
    But I don’t buy that it was so instantaneous that they never knew what hit
    them. Sure the implosion event itself but surely there was creaking and leaking beforehand?
    If they were at depth, death was instantaneous. I have had discussions
    on this topic with knowledgeable people. When you face this kind of death
    on a regular basis, you can't help but think and talk about it.

    --
    Envy was once considered to be one of the seven deadly sins before
    it became one of the most admired virtues under its new name,
    'social justice'. -- Thomas Sowell

    Yes, they may have had a clue something was up if there was groaning, but once the implosion started, it would happen faster than they could have sensed it. It would probably be rushing inwards at several thousands miles and hour. The air in the sub
    would have instantly combusted followed by the shell and then the water at those speeds. There likely would be nothing left. It’s gruesome, but not a bad way to go. One millisecond you’re there, the next you’re not. No pain, no slowly dying brain.

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  • From Corky@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 27 06:42:52 2023
    A very good explanation

    https://www.tiktok.com/@scibodytherapy/video/7247989947213368619?q=implosion%20submarine%20explained&t=1687873296820

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