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  • The 10-3-39 Club, starring Pat Robertson

    From The NOTBCS Guy@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 8 06:15:42 2023
    Looks like it's "the 699 Club" now... https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/us/pat-robertson-death/index.html

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to The NOTBCS Guy on Thu Jun 8 20:00:38 2023
    On 6/8/2023 9:15 AM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Looks like it's "the 699 Club" now... https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/us/pat-robertson-death/index.html

    Pat Robertson caused more damage to the Republican Party than he could
    have ever realized.
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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Fri Jun 9 02:10:16 2023
    On 6/9/2023 1:45 AM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/8/2023 9:15 AM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Looks like it's "the 699 Club" now...
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/us/pat-robertson-death/index.html
    Pat Robertson caused more damage to the Republican Party than he could
    have ever realized.

    How so?

    Mike

    Dragging religion into politics.
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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Thu Jun 8 22:45:52 2023
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/8/2023 9:15 AM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Looks like it's "the 699 Club" now... https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/us/pat-robertson-death/index.html
    Pat Robertson caused more damage to the Republican Party than he could
    have ever realized.

    How so?

    Mike

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Fri Jun 9 02:15:37 2023
    On 6/9/2023 2:10 AM, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 1:45 AM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/8/2023 9:15 AM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Looks like it's "the 699 Club" now...
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/us/pat-robertson-death/index.html
    Pat Robertson caused more damage to the Republican Party than he could
    have ever realized.

    How so?

    Mike

    Dragging religion into politics.


    To clarify, mixing Christian radicalism into the party.
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  • From xyzzy@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Fri Jun 9 11:40:21 2023
    Ken Olson <kolson@freedomnet.org> wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 1:45 AM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/8/2023 9:15 AM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Looks like it's "the 699 Club" now...
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/us/pat-robertson-death/index.html
    Pat Robertson caused more damage to the Republican Party than he could
    have ever realized.

    How so?

    Mike

    Dragging religion into politics.

    I think that was more Jerry Falwell’s doing. Robertson just tried to ride that wave.

    --
    “I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian, liberal personality.” — Altie

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  • From michael anderson@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Fri Jun 9 05:55:14 2023
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:10:21 AM UTC-5, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 1:45 AM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/8/2023 9:15 AM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Looks like it's "the 699 Club" now...
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/us/pat-robertson-death/index.html
    Pat Robertson caused more damage to the Republican Party than he could
    have ever realized.

    How so?

    Mike
    Dragging religion into politics.

    huh? that worked out brilliantly for the gop.....they were able to dominate an entire voting bloc with little downside(the people
    this angered were hard core leftists anyways).....What jerry falwell, ralph reed, and others did was absolutely brilliant.

    --
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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to michael anderson on Fri Jun 9 16:33:21 2023
    On 6/9/2023 8:55 AM, michael anderson wrote:
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:10:21 AM UTC-5, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 1:45 AM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/8/2023 9:15 AM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Looks like it's "the 699 Club" now...
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/us/pat-robertson-death/index.html
    Pat Robertson caused more damage to the Republican Party than he could >>>> have ever realized.

    How so?

    Mike
    Dragging religion into politics.
    ARe
    huh? that worked out brilliantly for the gop.....they were able to dominate an entire voting bloc with little downside(the people
    this angered were hard core leftists anyways).....What jerry falwell, ralph reed, and others did was absolutely brilliant.

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    Are you a Christian?
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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Fri Jun 9 17:51:49 2023
    On 6/9/2023 7:40 AM, xyzzy wrote:
    Ken Olson <kolson@freedomnet.org> wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 1:45 AM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/8/2023 9:15 AM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Looks like it's "the 699 Club" now...
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/us/pat-robertson-death/index.html
    Pat Robertson caused more damage to the Republican Party than he could >>>> have ever realized.

    How so?

    Mike

    Dragging religion into politics.

    I think that was more Jerry Falwell’s doing. Robertson just tried to ridet that wave.


    I can agree with that statement. Both evil.
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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Fri Jun 9 16:56:33 2023
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 11:10:21 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    Dragging religion into politics.

    I've learned several things in the last 25 years.

    1) All equality is enforcement.

    2) All law is violent enforcement of ethics/morals, including the multiple "tiers of laws".

    3) Putting religion into politics and attempting to impose religious principles is a centerpiece of much of American life. Many believe it not only against their religion (and, hence, against the 1st Amendment) to allow other Gods to exist (making the
    Constitution a material blasphemy to those practicing monotheism), but also to allow other conduct to exist which would only "offend God" and not impact them in any other way (LGBTQ, the views on women and Blacks before their rights were imposed on the
    White American Male over time in American history, etc.).

    Many see religion in politics as a very GOOD THING.

    That you don't, frankly, somewhat surprises me.

    In fact, more than somewhat...

    Mike

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Fri Jun 9 16:58:36 2023
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 11:15:42 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 2:10 AM, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 1:45 AM, Michael Falkner wrote:

    Pat Robertson caused more damage to the Republican Party than he could >>> have ever realized.

    How so?

    Dragging religion into politics.

    To clarify, mixing Christian radicalism into the party.

    This is not meant with my normal venom toward what you are saying, but it's more a:

    What's the difference between a lot of the things the White Right opposes in this "War on Woke" and simple Christian ethics?

    Where's the line which makes it "radicalism"?

    Now, I believe we are long past it: There are people suing, under the First Amendment, that their school is teaching empathy (and, ostensibly, also trying to enforce it), seeing empathy as acceptance of sin.

    Mike

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to michael anderson on Fri Jun 9 16:59:28 2023
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 5:55:16 AM UTC-7, michael anderson wrote:
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:10:21 AM UTC-5, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 1:45 AM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    Pat Robertson caused more damage to the Republican Party than he could >> have ever realized.

    How so?

    Dragging religion into politics.

    huh? that worked out brilliantly for the gop.....they were able to dominate an entire voting bloc with little downside(the people
    this angered were hard core leftists anyways).....What jerry falwell, ralph reed, and others did was absolutely brilliant.

    And something mia agrees with, because it allows him to put his bitch sammich maker between his legs or under his heel.

    Mike

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Fri Jun 9 20:51:53 2023
    On 6/9/2023 7:56 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 11:10:21 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    Dragging religion into politics.

    I've learned several things in the last 25 years.

    1) All equality is enforcement.

    2) All law is violent enforcement of ethics/morals, including the multiple "tiers of laws".

    3) Putting religion into politics and attempting to impose religious principles is a centerpiece of much of American life. Many believe it not only against their religion (and, hence, against the 1st Amendment) to allow other Gods to exist (making the
    Constitution a material blasphemy to those practicing monotheism), but also to allow other conduct to exist which would only "offend God" and not impact them in any other way (LGBTQ, the views on women and Blacks before their rights were imposed on the
    White American Male over time in American history, etc.).

    Many see religion in politics as a very GOOD THING.

    That you don't, frankly, somewhat surprises me.

    In fact, more than somewhat...

    Mike


    You wouldn't want my religion imposed and neither would I. I believe in
    live and let live unless given reason and circumstance to be otherwise.
    I wouldn't say that government needs to be atheist, but that it needs to
    be a tolerant agnostic.
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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Fri Jun 9 19:38:57 2023
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 5:51:57 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    You wouldn't want my religion imposed and neither would I. I believe in
    live and let live unless given reason and circumstance to be otherwise.
    I wouldn't say that government needs to be atheist, but that it needs to
    be a tolerant agnostic.

    You can't support the Republicans and believe that line, that's the problem.

    The fact that imposed religion is a part of their platform is being done for a number of very serious reasons.

    Mike

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to michael anderson on Mon Jun 12 01:02:03 2023
    On 6/9/2023 8:55 AM, michael anderson wrote:


    Mike
    Dragging religion into politics.

    huh? that worked out brilliantly for the gop.....they were able to dominate an entire voting bloc with little downside(the people
    this angered were hard core leftists anyways).....What jerry falwell, ralph reed, and others did was absolutely brilliant.

    --
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    Not really. In the end the hard core Christian right that the Rs are
    attracting is a shrinking base. It is anti-everything.

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    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Mon Jun 12 12:46:26 2023
    On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 10:02:07 PM UTC-7, RoddyMcCorley wrote:

    Not really. In the end the hard core Christian right that the Rs are attracting is a shrinking base. It is anti-everything.

    When you look at the concepts of what they believe is necessary to go to Heaven, you at least in their line of thinking understand why.

    It's their unwillingness to actually put on the Armor of God and start what is necessary to be done (Nahum 1:2 -- For the Lord Our God is a vengeful God, or words to that effect) to get there.

    It can even be said that people like myself are not only a threat to their Earthly life, but their eternal one as well.

    And yes, that includes members of my family.

    Mike

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Mon Jun 12 22:48:03 2023
    On 6/12/2023 3:46 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 10:02:07 PM UTC-7, RoddyMcCorley wrote:

    Not really. In the end the hard core Christian right that the Rs are
    attracting is a shrinking base. It is anti-everything.

    When you look at the concepts of what they believe is necessary to go to Heaven, you at least in their line of thinking understand why.

    It's their unwillingness to actually put on the Armor of God and start what is necessary to be done (Nahum 1:2 -- For the Lord Our God is a vengeful God, or words to that effect) to get there.

    It can even be said that people like myself are not only a threat to their Earthly life, but their eternal one as well.

    And yes, that includes members of my family.

    Mike

    I don't agree with their idea of heaven.
    Ken
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