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  • Re: Support Daniel Penny

    From Alan@21:1/5 to KMA Alvin on Thu May 25 00:00:16 2023
    XPost: rec.sport.golf, rec.sport.tennis

    On 2023-05-24 23:52, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.


    Support the American...

    ...who murdered another American?

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  • From KMA Alvin@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 25 06:52:58 2023
    XPost: rec.sport.golf, rec.sport.tennis

    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu May 25 09:52:28 2023
    XPost: rec.sport.golf, rec.sport.tennis

    On 5/25/2023 3:00 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-24 23:52, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.


    Support the American...

    ...who murdered another American?

    Look up the definition of murder.
    --
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  • From Irish Mike@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu May 25 07:24:54 2023
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 3:00:21 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-24 23:52, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.

    Support the American...

    ...who murdered another American?

    An American who had been arrested 44 time, had an open warrant
    for punching a 67 year old woman in the face and who was screaming
    and threatening the people riding in a subway car.

    Penny tried to restrain the guy and the guy died. Hardly murder.

    Irish Mike

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  • From The NOTBCS Guy@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 25 09:07:21 2023
    An American who had been arrested 44 time, had an open warrant
    for punching a 67 year old woman in the face and who was screaming
    and threatening the people riding in a subway car.

    Penny tried to restrain the guy and the guy died. Hardly murder.

    No, but was he "aware of and consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that death would occur or that such circumstance exists" when he applied the chokehold? That seems to be the difference between "manslaughter in the second degree" (
    minimum sentence 3 1/2 years) and "criminally negligent homicide" (no jail time - just probation). Also don't forget about the almost certain "wrongful death" civil trial - and why do I have the feeling the amount of any GiveSendGo / GoFundMe funds in
    his name will be told to the jury to take into account when deciding how much to award, even if just a coded message by the plaintiff's attorney ("I can give you 1.95 million reasons to find for the plaintiff - sidebar? Okay, judge...(in private) What?
    That's not the GiveSendGo fund amount; it may 'just happen to be' the amount plus an extra 50% to make sure he is punished for the death he caused, but that's coming from you, not me").

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Thu May 25 10:23:16 2023
    XPost: rec.sport.golf, rec.sport.tennis

    On 2023-05-25 06:52, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/25/2023 3:00 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-24 23:52, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.


    Support the American...

    ...who murdered another American?

    Look up the definition of murder.

    I have...

    ...and so has the judge who presided over the trial...

    ...where Daniel Perry was found guilty...

    ...of murder.

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to KMA Alvin on Thu May 25 11:12:39 2023
    On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 11:54:41 PM UTC-7, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.

    I suggest you get your gun out of your anus and start killing us.

    Mike

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  • From unclejr@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu May 25 10:42:41 2023
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 12:23:21 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-25 06:52, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/25/2023 3:00 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-24 23:52, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.


    Support the American...

    ...who murdered another American?

    Look up the definition of murder.
    I have...

    ...and so has the judge who presided over the trial...

    ...where Daniel Perry was found guilty...

    ...of murder.

    This is about Daniel Penny, not Perry.

    Hope this helps.

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Irish Mike on Thu May 25 11:15:14 2023
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 7:24:57 AM UTC-7, Irish Mike wrote:

    An American who had been arrested 44 time, had an open warrant
    for punching a 67 year old woman in the face and who was screaming
    and threatening the people riding in a subway car.

    Penny tried to restrain the guy and the guy died. Hardly murder.

    That's the problem with not raising the militia first.

    Not only do you need to raise the militia for the number of people you have to kill, you also need to do so to overthrow the city government and take over.

    I fully believe Penny's intention was to kill -- he best hope he get a true jury of his peers, or he is good and fucked, because he needed to raise a militia, kill a bunch of similar people, and make it clear that "no" is NOT a sufficient answer.

    You want the cities back? You kill many of us.

    Mike

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Thu May 25 16:29:32 2023
    On 5/25/2023 2:15 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 7:24:57 AM UTC-7, Irish Mike wrote:

    An American who had been arrested 44 time, had an open warrant
    for punching a 67 year old woman in the face and who was screaming
    and threatening the people riding in a subway car.

    Penny tried to restrain the guy and the guy died. Hardly murder.

    That's the problem with not raising the militia first.

    Not only do you need to raise the militia for the number of people you have to kill, you also need to do so to overthrow the city government and take over.

    I fully believe Penny's intention was to kill -- he best hope he get a true jury of his peers, or he is good and fucked, because he needed to raise a militia, kill a bunch of similar people, and make it clear that "no" is NOT a sufficient answer.

    You want the cities back? You kill many of us.

    Mike

    I don't want the cities back. I want them neutered.
    --
    ÄLSKAR - Fänga Dagen

    Слава Україні та НАТО

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Thu May 25 20:27:27 2023
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 1:29:38 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    I don't want the cities back. I want them neutered.

    Then what I said goes double.

    Mike

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to KMA Alvin on Sat May 27 01:45:51 2023
    XPost: rec.sport.golf, rec.sport.tennis

    On 5/25/2023 2:52 AM, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.


    Fuck 'em. Let justice take its course.
    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Sat May 27 16:12:55 2023
    XPost: rec.sport.golf, rec.sport.tennis

    On 5/27/2023 1:45 AM, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 5/25/2023 2:52 AM, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.


    Fuck 'em.  Let justice take its course.

    It already did. On the subway.
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    ÄLSKAR - Fänga Dagen

    Слава Україні та НАТО

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Sat May 27 13:35:37 2023
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 1:15:25 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/27/2023 1:45 AM, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 5/25/2023 2:52 AM, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.


    Fuck 'em. Let justice take its course.
    It already did. On the subway.

    Then you kill me too for the same reason.

    The NYPD failed. Her safety, the community's safety, and yours.

    Mike

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Sat May 27 13:35:03 2023
    On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 10:47:48 PM UTC-7, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 5/25/2023 2:52 AM, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.

    Fuck 'em. Let justice take its course.

    That's part of the problem.

    1) We can't agree on what justice is.

    2) Most people who end up in jail or prison are those society never wants back in the first place (or their conduct would be acceptable in the first place, and they'd have never been arrested).

    One of the main reasons the OP says what he is is he wants a national campaign to violently purge the homeless and mentally ill off the streets of the cities (as wastes of resources and money, and sources of crime).

    Hence, what I said to Ken stands: He's going to have to shoot us.

    The only "crime" this guy committed was he didn't raise a militia of about 1,000 first and dared someone to do something about it.

    Mike

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Sat May 27 19:50:29 2023
    On 5/27/2023 4:35 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 1:15:25 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/27/2023 1:45 AM, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
    On 5/25/2023 2:52 AM, KMA Alvin wrote:
    https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

    Support an American for a change.


    Fuck 'em. Let justice take its course.
    It already did. On the subway.

    Then you kill me too for the same reason.

    The NYPD failed. Her safety, the community's safety, and yours.

    Mike

    FAFO. Mess with me, mine, or anyone close to me.
    --
    ÄLSKAR - Fänga Dagen

    Слава Україні та НАТО

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Sun May 28 10:10:32 2023
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 4:50:34 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    FAFO. Mess with me, mine, or anyone close to me.

    I already am. In manners you could never dream of conceiving.

    You don't get that.

    Mike

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Sun May 28 19:41:19 2023
    On 5/28/2023 1:10 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 4:50:34 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    FAFO. Mess with me, mine, or anyone close to me.

    I already am. In manners you could never dream of conceiving.

    You don't get that.

    Mike

    More delusions of grandeur.
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    ÄLSKAR - Fänga Dagen

    Слава Україні та НАТО

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  • From Ken Olson@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Mon May 29 02:05:37 2023
    On 5/29/2023 1:58 AM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 4:41:24 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/28/2023 1:10 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 4:50:34 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    FAFO. Mess with me, mine, or anyone close to me.

    I already am. In manners you could never dream of conceiving.

    You don't get that.

    More delusions of grandeur.

    As usual, the Republican response lacks all sense of intelligence.

    You aren't balancing the budget, at all, without killing me and many like me. I'd say millions, but you should know from your current or former work the only way you're going to get rid of a lot of crime is to kill them/me/us.

    Second, as I've said before, who would you be to think you would get any better than what Debbie got? Fuck you, for that regard.

    Third, to give you an idea of the manners you could never dream of, here's a short Day One list of what I believe the Republican Presidential Candidate should demand on his platform:

    Day One:

    * Martial Law in the United States
    * Militias to take over the liberal cities
    * No abortion, no LGBTQ, and no mercy on those of us who believe otherwise.
    * Basically "You loot, we shoot"
    * Anyone of no legitimate purpose has no rights in America.
    * Overthrow the governments of liberal states.
    * A new Constitution when law and order is restored.

    My life, to you and every MAGAt, including members of my family, is a terrorist act.

    The only reason I'm not metaphorically on that subway is because I still have something to lose, but God has to choke me out at this point to prevent me from killing a MAGAt every damn day.

    Fuck you and fuck your America.

    Mike

    I really don't believe you really know what my America would be.
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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Sun May 28 22:58:45 2023
    On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 4:41:24 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
    On 5/28/2023 1:10 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 4:50:34 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    FAFO. Mess with me, mine, or anyone close to me.

    I already am. In manners you could never dream of conceiving.

    You don't get that.

    More delusions of grandeur.

    As usual, the Republican response lacks all sense of intelligence.

    You aren't balancing the budget, at all, without killing me and many like me. I'd say millions, but you should know from your current or former work the only way you're going to get rid of a lot of crime is to kill them/me/us.

    Second, as I've said before, who would you be to think you would get any better than what Debbie got? Fuck you, for that regard.

    Third, to give you an idea of the manners you could never dream of, here's a short Day One list of what I believe the Republican Presidential Candidate should demand on his platform:

    Day One:

    * Martial Law in the United States
    * Militias to take over the liberal cities
    * No abortion, no LGBTQ, and no mercy on those of us who believe otherwise.
    * Basically "You loot, we shoot"
    * Anyone of no legitimate purpose has no rights in America.
    * Overthrow the governments of liberal states.
    * A new Constitution when law and order is restored.

    My life, to you and every MAGAt, including members of my family, is a terrorist act.

    The only reason I'm not metaphorically on that subway is because I still have something to lose, but God has to choke me out at this point to prevent me from killing a MAGAt every damn day.

    Fuck you and fuck your America.

    Mike

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to Ken Olson on Sun May 28 23:30:49 2023
    On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 11:07:33 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

    I really don't believe you really know what my America would be.

    Then let's hear it.

    Mike

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