• Why It's Never, Ever OK to Out a Gay Person Before They're Ready. Like

    From Bill Cockburn@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 18 02:04:20 2016
    XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality, sac.politics

    During the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio, it's been fun to watch
    Kristin Armstrong hug her son or fawn over Michael Phelps's son,
    Boomer. But the human-interest stories covered during the
    worldwide event can also be problematic. Fox Sports caused
    controversy with its debate about Olympian makeup, while other
    commentators gave credit to the husbands of female Olympians who
    won medals. And perhaps most egregious, one journalist posed as
    a gay man to gain insight on the hookup culture in the Olympic
    village. The article revealed long-standing and troubling
    attitudes toward gay men that still persist, even in 2016.

    On Thursday, The Daily Beast published a story chronicling one
    straight, married man's attempts to secure a date in the Olympic
    village. In the piece, reporter Nico Hines cites having made
    attempts on multiple dating apps including Bumble and Tinder but
    quickly shrugs off the others in favor of discussing one in
    particular: Grindr. If you're not familiar, Grindr is a location-
    based dating and hookup app for gay men. The original article
    not only described Hines's deceptive way of securing these so-
    called "dates" with gay men but also offered enough contextual
    details to identify most, if not all, of the Olympians who were
    targeted. These details included general stats about appearance
    and each Olympian's country of origin. After initial backlash,
    the story was heavily edited, then eventually taken down. This
    isn't just an editorial oversight. It's not just offensive to
    the LGBTQ community, and it's not just problematic, either. It's
    actually incredibly dangerous.

    According to The Washington Post, homosexual activities are
    illegal in 75 countries. In 10 of those countries, homosexual
    behavior is punishable by death. At a global event such as the
    Olympics, encountering a closeted athlete is likely inevitable.
    As consenting adults, Olympians should feel free and safe to
    seek sexual encounters. The act of downloading Grindr as a
    straight, married man is inherently dishonest, as the app was
    designed for gay men who wish to connect to other gay men. But
    taking it a step further and potentially outing closeted
    athletes — individuals who could potentially be put to death for
    their identity — is more than just dishonest. It's reckless.

    The Troubling Effects of Outing Someone

    Regardless of whether or not it poses a dangerous threat to a
    person's life, there's never a good reason to push an individual
    out of the closet. Former *NSYNC member Lance Bass nailed it
    when he appeared on Bethenny Frankel's talk show back in 2013.
    When asked about outing closeted gay celebrities in Hollywood,
    he said, "I know tons of celebrities that are in the closet
    right now. But it's up to them to decide if they want to come
    out or not. And I will support any decision they make." Coming
    out is a deeply personal, difficult decision that must never be
    taken lightly. It's singularly up to the person in question to
    determine when the timing is right. For someone who's not openly
    gay, Grindr can be a somewhat safe place. It allows them to be
    as authentic as they want, to meet their needs without the
    sometimes grave consequences. When a straight, married man
    infiltrates that community, though, it shatters.

    Outing someone can be traumatic. It's like pushing someone into
    a pool, or pulling a rug out from under them. There's an
    undeniable devastation when you feel like you've lost control of
    your own story and personal narrative.

    Slut Shaming the Gay Community With Tired Stereotypes

    In addition to its disregard for the privacy and safety of
    Olympians, the article also subscribes to the narrative that gay
    men are too promiscuous. There seems to be a heavy emphasis on
    the fact that one gay man wanted "a sex foto" and that our
    straight, married narrator had a picture "just of [his] face,"
    as though to suggest any other kind of photo might be unsavory
    or immodest.

    For what it's worth, The Daily Beast replaced the post with an
    apology, which essentially boiled down to: "We were wrong. We're
    sorry." What I find most troubling is that the results were
    presented as such a monumental discovery in the first place.
    That Grindr became more of a game than a means of connecting to
    like-minded people. It was never about the subtleties of sex and
    dating in the Olympic village, it was about hunting and
    demoralizing homosexual men. It was about securing three dates
    in one hour, as though it were some kind of trophy. And now, the
    lives of a handful of brave Olympians could be in danger. Now, a
    sex-positive community must find itself plagued with betrayal
    and distrust. Those are the kinds of things you can't take back.

    Homosexuality is NOT sex-positive. It's a mental disease.

    http://www.popsugar.com/news/Daily-Beast-Report-Grindr-Olympics-
    42209691

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  • From Bill Cockburn@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 19 17:35:05 2016
    XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality, sac.politics

    During the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio, it's been fun to watch
    Kristin Armstrong hug her son or fawn over Michael Phelps's son,
    Boomer. But the human-interest stories covered during the
    worldwide event can also be problematic. Fox Sports caused
    controversy with its debate about Olympian makeup, while other
    commentators gave credit to the husbands of female Olympians who
    won medals. And perhaps most egregious, one journalist posed as
    a gay man to gain insight on the hookup culture in the Olympic
    village. The article revealed long-standing and troubling
    attitudes toward gay men that still persist, even in 2016.

    On Thursday, The Daily Beast published a story chronicling one
    straight, married man's attempts to secure a date in the Olympic
    village. In the piece, reporter Nico Hines cites having made
    attempts on multiple dating apps including Bumble and Tinder but
    quickly shrugs off the others in favor of discussing one in
    particular: Grindr. If you're not familiar, Grindr is a location-
    based dating and hookup app for gay men. The original article
    not only described Hines's deceptive way of securing these so-
    called "dates" with gay men but also offered enough contextual
    details to identify most, if not all, of the Olympians who were
    targeted. These details included general stats about appearance
    and each Olympian's country of origin. After initial backlash,
    the story was heavily edited, then eventually taken down. This
    isn't just an editorial oversight. It's not just offensive to
    the LGBTQ community, and it's not just problematic, either. It's
    actually incredibly dangerous.

    According to The Washington Post, homosexual activities are
    illegal in 75 countries. In 10 of those countries, homosexual
    behavior is punishable by death. At a global event such as the
    Olympics, encountering a closeted athlete is likely inevitable.
    As consenting adults, Olympians should feel free and safe to
    seek sexual encounters. The act of downloading Grindr as a
    straight, married man is inherently dishonest, as the app was
    designed for gay men who wish to connect to other gay men. But
    taking it a step further and potentially outing closeted
    athletes — individuals who could potentially be put to death for
    their identity — is more than just dishonest. It's reckless.

    The Troubling Effects of Outing Someone

    Regardless of whether or not it poses a dangerous threat to a
    person's life, there's never a good reason to push an individual
    out of the closet. Former *NSYNC member Lance Bass nailed it
    when he appeared on Bethenny Frankel's talk show back in 2013.
    When asked about outing closeted gay celebrities in Hollywood,
    he said, "I know tons of celebrities that are in the closet
    right now. But it's up to them to decide if they want to come
    out or not. And I will support any decision they make." Coming
    out is a deeply personal, difficult decision that must never be
    taken lightly. It's singularly up to the person in question to
    determine when the timing is right. For someone who's not openly
    gay, Grindr can be a somewhat safe place. It allows them to be
    as authentic as they want, to meet their needs without the
    sometimes grave consequences. When a straight, married man
    infiltrates that community, though, it shatters.

    Outing someone can be traumatic. It's like pushing someone into
    a pool, or pulling a rug out from under them. There's an
    undeniable devastation when you feel like you've lost control of
    your own story and personal narrative.

    Slut Shaming the Gay Community With Tired Stereotypes

    In addition to its disregard for the privacy and safety of
    Olympians, the article also subscribes to the narrative that gay
    men are too promiscuous. There seems to be a heavy emphasis on
    the fact that one gay man wanted "a sex foto" and that our
    straight, married narrator had a picture "just of [his] face,"
    as though to suggest any other kind of photo might be unsavory
    or immodest.

    For what it's worth, The Daily Beast replaced the post with an
    apology, which essentially boiled down to: "We were wrong. We're
    sorry." What I find most troubling is that the results were
    presented as such a monumental discovery in the first place.
    That Grindr became more of a game than a means of connecting to
    like-minded people. It was never about the subtleties of sex and
    dating in the Olympic village, it was about hunting and
    demoralizing homosexual men. It was about securing three dates
    in one hour, as though it were some kind of trophy. And now, the
    lives of a handful of brave Olympians could be in danger. Now, a
    sex-positive community must find itself plagued with betrayal
    and distrust. Those are the kinds of things you can't take back.

    Homosexuality is NOT sex-positive. It's a mental disease.

    http://www.popsugar.com/news/Daily-Beast-Report-Grindr-Olympics-
    42209691

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