What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC, Mark wrote:
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.Nobody ever watched any excellent football matches then? Or is it just taking people ages to decide what order to put them in or whatever?
I've run out of matches I know are likely to be good to watch on Footballia. Can anyone give me any recommendations?
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top
10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:41:23 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC, Mark wrote:
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.Nobody ever watched any excellent football matches then? Or is it just taking people ages to decide what order to put them in or whatever?
I've run out of matches I know are likely to be good to watch on Footballia. Can anyone give me any recommendations?2004 Liverpool 3-1 Olympiakos
2005 Liverpool 3-3 Milan
2016 Liverpool 3-2 Dortmund
2019 Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona
2023 Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd
I'll think of 5 more.
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 5:04:44 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:41:23 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC, Mark wrote:
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.Nobody ever watched any excellent football matches then? Or is it just taking people ages to decide what order to put them in or whatever?
I've run out of matches I know are likely to be good to watch on Footballia. Can anyone give me any recommendations?2004 Liverpool 3-1 Olympiakos
2005 Liverpool 3-3 Milan
2016 Liverpool 3-2 Dortmund
2019 Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona
2023 Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd
I'll think of 5 more.One I quite enjoyed was:
1984 Independiente 1 Liverpool 0. I thought Liverpool played quite well by English standards actually.
I've run out of matches I know are likely to be good to watch on Footballia. Can anyone give me any recommendations?
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 4:12:01 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 5:04:44 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:41:23 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC, Mark wrote:
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.Nobody ever watched any excellent football matches then? Or is it just taking people ages to decide what order to put them in or whatever?
I've run out of matches I know are likely to be good to watch on Footballia. Can anyone give me any recommendations?2004 Liverpool 3-1 Olympiakos
2005 Liverpool 3-3 Milan
2016 Liverpool 3-2 Dortmund
2019 Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona
2023 Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd
I'll think of 5 more.One I quite enjoyed was:
1984 Independiente 1 Liverpool 0. I thought Liverpool played quite well by English standards actually.Those "English standards" had led to an English club winning 7 out of 8 European Cups coming into that game.
Now you are well aware that at the time, English clubs treated this game as a little more than a friendly. They were probably out drinking sake until 4am the night before.
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 1:06:56 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
Now you are well aware that at the time, English clubs treated this
game as a little more than a friendly. They were probably out
drinking sake until 4am the night before.
If they're too unprofessional to even take the World Championship of
the World's number 1 sport seriously, that's their problem.
Mark wrote:
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 1:06:56 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
Now you are well aware that at the time, English clubs treated this
game as a little more than a friendly. They were probably out
drinking sake until 4am the night before.
If they're too unprofessional to even take the World Championship ofThat's one point of view and it could be justified... but the fact is a
the World's number 1 sport seriously, that's their problem.
lot of European clubs didn't take it seriously, whatever the reason.
FIFA themselves didn't even acknowledge it until recent times so it was hardly the "World Championship" if football's own governing body didn't regulate it!
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 1:06:56 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 4:12:01 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 5:04:44 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:41:23 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC, Mark wrote:
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.Nobody ever watched any excellent football matches then? Or is it just taking people ages to decide what order to put them in or whatever?
I've run out of matches I know are likely to be good to watch on Footballia. Can anyone give me any recommendations?2004 Liverpool 3-1 Olympiakos
2005 Liverpool 3-3 Milan
2016 Liverpool 3-2 Dortmund
2019 Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona
2023 Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd
I'll think of 5 more.One I quite enjoyed was:
Just when the standard of football in Europe was so low that European Clubs won 0 out of 8 World Club Championships.1984 Independiente 1 Liverpool 0. I thought Liverpool played quite well by English standards actually.Those "English standards" had led to an English club winning 7 out of 8 European Cups coming into that game.
This was also followed by a run of 13 consecutive years without an English club even reaching the Final of the European Cup, from 1986 to 1998.
Now you are well aware that at the time, English clubs treated this game as a little more than a friendly. They were probably out drinking sake until 4am the night before.If they're too unprofessional to even take the World Championship of the World's number 1 sport seriously, that's their problem.
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 5:57:05 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 1:06:56 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 4:12:01 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 5:04:44 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:41:23 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC, Mark wrote:
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.Nobody ever watched any excellent football matches then? Or is it just taking people ages to decide what order to put them in or whatever?
I've run out of matches I know are likely to be good to watch on Footballia. Can anyone give me any recommendations?2004 Liverpool 3-1 Olympiakos
2005 Liverpool 3-3 Milan
2016 Liverpool 3-2 Dortmund
2019 Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona
2023 Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd
I'll think of 5 more.One I quite enjoyed was:
It was a Mickey Mouse cup that they didn't take seriously.Just when the standard of football in Europe was so low that European Clubs won 0 out of 8 World Club Championships.1984 Independiente 1 Liverpool 0. I thought Liverpool played quite well by English standards actually.Those "English standards" had led to an English club winning 7 out of 8 European Cups coming into that game.
This was also followed by a run of 13 consecutive years without an English club even reaching the Final of the European Cup, from 1986 to 1998.I thought we were talking about 1984.
They were very professional in their domestic and European leagues. It was these meaningless friendlies in Japan that were treated more like boondoggles.Now you are well aware that at the time, English clubs treated this game as a little more than a friendly. They were probably out drinking sake until 4am the night before.If they're too unprofessional to even take the World Championship of the World's number 1 sport seriously, that's their problem.
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 4:22:21 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 5:57:05 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 1:06:56 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 4:12:01 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 5:04:44 PM UTC, Al Kamista wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:41:23 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC, Mark wrote:
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.Nobody ever watched any excellent football matches then? Or is it just taking people ages to decide what order to put them in or whatever?
I've run out of matches I know are likely to be good to watch on Footballia. Can anyone give me any recommendations?2004 Liverpool 3-1 Olympiakos
2005 Liverpool 3-3 Milan
2016 Liverpool 3-2 Dortmund
2019 Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona
2023 Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd
I'll think of 5 more.One I quite enjoyed was:
If the World Championship is a Mickey Mouse Cup, what does that make the Championship of England, just part of a country?It was a Mickey Mouse cup that they didn't take seriously.Just when the standard of football in Europe was so low that European Clubs won 0 out of 8 World Club Championships.1984 Independiente 1 Liverpool 0. I thought Liverpool played quite well by English standards actually.Those "English standards" had led to an English club winning 7 out of 8 European Cups coming into that game.
I'm too young to remember that. I was thinking of the standards in the late 80s and early 90s.This was also followed by a run of 13 consecutive years without an English club even reaching the Final of the European Cup, from 1986 to 1998.I thought we were talking about 1984.
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 4:11:57 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
If the World Championship is a Mickey Mouse Cup, what does that make the Championship of England, just part of a country?The second most prestigious club competition in the world, after the UCL.
Whether you like it or not, that's the truth.
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+1, Al Kamista wrote:
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 4:11:57 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
If the World Championship is a Mickey Mouse Cup, what does thatThe second most prestigious club competition in the world, after
make the Championship of England, just part of a country?
the UCL.
Whether you like it or not, that's the truth.
Have you got any evidence to back that up?
Mark wrote:
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+1, Al Kamista wrote:
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 4:11:57 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
If the World Championship is a Mickey Mouse Cup, what does thatThe second most prestigious club competition in the world, after
make the Championship of England, just part of a country?
the UCL.
Whether you like it or not, that's the truth.
Have you got any evidence to back that up?Look and you will see evidence... if you close your eyes to an idea you
will see nothing!
It was a bold claim mind you, I'm not sure I'd have gone THAT far!
There's arguments for and against. But as you're someone who thinks the [English] Premier League is not one of the top five leagues and a
one-off friendly in Japan is the biggest thing since sliced bread then
you'd probably not understand anyway.
What are the top 10 best football matches you've ever seen? Post your top 10, or 5 or 3 or whatever if you can't think of 10, here.
And I'll probably watch most of them on Footballia.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:14:10 PM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+1, Al Kamista wrote:Look and you will see evidence... if you close your eyes to an idea you
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 4:11:57 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
If the World Championship is a Mickey Mouse Cup, what does thatThe second most prestigious club competition in the world, after
make the Championship of England, just part of a country?
the UCL.
Whether you like it or not, that's the truth.
Have you got any evidence to back that up?
will see nothing!
I'm looking right here, and I don't see any.
It was a bold claim mind you, I'm not sure I'd have gone THAT far!
Exactly! Years ago, the English media were telling us that the English Cup was more important than the European Cup.
There's arguments for and against. But as you're someone who thinks the
[English] Premier League is not one of the top five leagues and a
one-off friendly in Japan is the biggest thing since sliced bread then
you'd probably not understand anyway.
It wasn't a one-off friendly. It was the World Championship.
On 2023-03-28 01:06, Mark wrote:
Exactly! Years ago, the English media were telling us that the English Cup was more important than the European Cup.When ? You must be talking a LONG time ago. WInning the European cup
has been a high priority for English teams at least since the mid 60s. (Arguably even before, going back to Busby)
Now they've got Al Kamista believing the English League is the 2nd most prestigious club tournament in the World, in spite of being less
prestigious than the European Cup. Isn't it about time people stopped believing the hype?!
The EPL, for all its faults, is the most watched domestic league in the world. That is why they get the biggest TV contracts - there is a huge audience in Asia and elsewhere for the league. That is part of the 2nd
most prestigious argument
Secondly, the EPL is the top ranked league in UEFA right now and has
been for several years (and close to half of the last 20 years) with
only Spain as a serious rival.
The English league has provided more DIFFERENT European Cup/Champions
league winners and finalists than any other league. (England 5
different champs, Germany 3, Spain 2, Italy 3) Different Finalists:
England 9, Spain 4, Germany 6, Italy 6
Surely the above is evidence of both historical and current prestige for
any reasonable person.
There's arguments for and against. But as you're someone who thinks the >> [English] Premier League is not one of the top five leagues and a
one-off friendly in Japan is the biggest thing since sliced bread then
you'd probably not understand anyway.
It wasn't a one-off friendly. It was the World Championship.It was emphatically NOT the world championship. It was the
Intercontinental Cup (marred by frequent violence and teams boycotting)
then the Toyota cup. Only Libertadores winners and European cup winners
were participating (how can that be a world championship ?) and in many cases it was actually the loser of the EC final that agreed to compete
(in the old Intercontinental version - with home and away legs)
You can only start calling this the world championship in any sense once
it opened up to the winners of every continental cup tournament. But
even then, that is like saying the confederations cup was a bona fide
world championship, which I don't think a lot of people would agree with.
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:49:09 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2023-03-28 01:06, Mark wrote:
Exactly! Years ago, the English media were telling us that the English Cup was more important than the European Cup.When ? You must be talking a LONG time ago. WInning the European cup
has been a high priority for English teams at least since the mid 60s.
(Arguably even before, going back to Busby)
At least as recently as the 1980s.
Secondly, the EPL is the top ranked league in UEFA right now and has
been for several years (and close to half of the last 20 years) with
only Spain as a serious rival.
The English league has provided more DIFFERENT European Cup/Champions
league winners and finalists than any other league. (England 5
different champs, Germany 3, Spain 2, Italy 3) Different Finalists:
England 9, Spain 4, Germany 6, Italy 6
Surely the above is evidence of both historical and current prestige for
any reasonable person.
OK, it hardly makes it more prestigious than the Copa Libertadores or the Copa Sudamericana though. has to
And popularity doesn't necessarily equate to prestige.
It was emphatically NOT the world championship. It was the
There's arguments for and against. But as you're someone who thinks the >>>> [English] Premier League is not one of the top five leagues and a
one-off friendly in Japan is the biggest thing since sliced bread then >>>> you'd probably not understand anyway.
It wasn't a one-off friendly. It was the World Championship.
Intercontinental Cup (marred by frequent violence and teams boycotting)
then the Toyota cup. Only Libertadores winners and European cup winners
were participating (how can that be a world championship ?) and in many
cases it was actually the loser of the EC final that agreed to compete
(in the old Intercontinental version - with home and away legs)
You can only start calling this the world championship in any sense once
it opened up to the winners of every continental cup tournament. But
even then, that is like saying the confederations cup was a bona fide
world championship, which I don't think a lot of people would agree with.
But Europe and South America have pretty much all the best teams.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:14:10 PM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
There's arguments for and against. But as you're someone who thinks
the [English] Premier League is not one of the top five leagues and
a one-off friendly in Japan is the biggest thing since sliced bread
then you'd probably not understand anyway.
It wasn't a one-off friendly. It was the World Championship.
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:49:09 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
You can only start calling this the world championship in any sense
once it opened up to the winners of every continental cup
tournament. But even then, that is like saying the confederations
cup was a bona fide world championship, which I don't think a lot
of people would agree with.
But Europe and South America have pretty much all the best teams.
Mark wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:14:10 PM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
There's arguments for and against. But as you're someone who thinks
the [English] Premier League is not one of the top five leagues and
a one-off friendly in Japan is the biggest thing since sliced bread
then you'd probably not understand anyway.
It wasn't a one-off friendly. It was the World Championship.Played by teams from only two continents! How can it be a "world" championship if teams from Africa, Asia, Oceania and North America
wasn't in it? You are aware that there are more than two continents on
this Earth I assume?
It was a glorified friendly organised [originally] by UEFA & CONMEBOL.
The best football teams from other confederations never got a chance to
see if they were the best team in the World, so the Intercontinental
Cup didn't constitute a proper "World Championship". You can disagree
as much as you want to but it doesn't change the reality; two
continents is not the world!
On 2023-03-29 01:19, Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:49:09 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2023-03-28 01:06, Mark wrote:
Exactly! Years ago, the English media were telling us that the English Cup was more important than the European Cup.When ? You must be talking a LONG time ago. WInning the European cup
has been a high priority for English teams at least since the mid 60s.
(Arguably even before, going back to Busby)
At least as recently as the 1980s.?? I guess you don't remember the fuss made about Celtic and then Man
United winning in the 60s ? Especially United, given that Busby was
knighted while Stein was not.
SNIP
Secondly, the EPL is the top ranked league in UEFA right now and has
been for several years (and close to half of the last 20 years) with
only Spain as a serious rival.
The English league has provided more DIFFERENT European Cup/Champions
league winners and finalists than any other league. (England 5
different champs, Germany 3, Spain 2, Italy 3) Different Finalists:
England 9, Spain 4, Germany 6, Italy 6
Surely the above is evidence of both historical and current prestige for >> any reasonable person.
OK, it hardly makes it more prestigious than the Copa Libertadores or the Copa Sudamericana though. has to
Yes it does. All the best S. American players are flooding to Europe,
with the EPL the most popular destination. More EPL players were
involved in the World Cup than any other league too. So if more of the
best players are playing in a league, the league's prestige is high.
Sure, a lot of this has to do with money. We can wish it otherwise, but
it won't change. Why does the EPL have the most money? Because more
people are willing to pay to watch, to buy advertising etc. Successful marketing is a part of that, but so is prestige.
And what about all the different winners and finalists in the Copa Libertadores and World Club Championship from the Argentinian and
Brazilian Leagues?
Who cares except the supporters of those clubs ?
champs have a dismal record in recent times vs. the UCL winners, on
neutral ground. Not their fault, because the best players pick up and
leave if they attract notice because their team did well in the league
and Libertadores. So there is no continuity - while this makes for
more balanced leagues with more surprises in who wins them, the overall quality does not compare to any of the top 6-8 leagues in Europe.
And popularity doesn't necessarily equate to prestige.It is a huge part of it. Why do Europeans flock to play in the NHL and
NBA ? Prestige and money.
It was emphatically NOT the world championship. It was the
There's arguments for and against. But as you're someone who thinks the >>>> [English] Premier League is not one of the top five leagues and a
one-off friendly in Japan is the biggest thing since sliced bread then >>>> you'd probably not understand anyway.
It wasn't a one-off friendly. It was the World Championship.
Intercontinental Cup (marred by frequent violence and teams boycotting) >> then the Toyota cup. Only Libertadores winners and European cup winners >> were participating (how can that be a world championship ?) and in many >> cases it was actually the loser of the EC final that agreed to compete
(in the old Intercontinental version - with home and away legs)
You can only start calling this the world championship in any sense once >> it opened up to the winners of every continental cup tournament. But
even then, that is like saying the confederations cup was a bona fide
world championship, which I don't think a lot of people would agree with.
But Europe and South America have pretty much all the best teams.The success of Mexican teams in the Libertadores speaks against this,
and MLS teams have achieved parity or better with LigaMX in recent years.
And all the winners have been declared as de facto World Champions or something by FIFA. And it was usually (or at least sometimes) referred
to by the media as the World Club Championship. If (for some non-sexist, pragmatic) reason, the World Chess Championship was only open to men,
would that make that a significantly less valid World Championship, when
all the top chess players in the World are men?
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:23:49 PM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
It wasn't a one-off friendly. It was the World Championship.
Played by teams from only two continents! How can it be a "world" championship if teams from Africa, Asia, Oceania and North America
wasn't in it? You are aware that there are more than two continents
on this Earth I assume?
The same way the World Chess Championship would be a World
Championship if they didn't allow women to play in it? In fact, are
women allowed to play in the World Cup? The World Cup is regarded as
a World Championship.
It was a glorified friendly organised [originally] by UEFA &
CONMEBOL. The best football teams from other confederations never
got a chance to see if they were the best team in the World, so the Intercontinental Cup didn't constitute a proper "World
Championship". You can disagree as much as you want to but it
doesn't change the reality; two continents is not the world!
I'm not the only person that disagrees. The media called it the World
Club Championship, and FIFA have declared all the winners de facto
World Champions.
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:05:17 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2023-03-29 01:19, Mark wrote:
But Europe and South America have pretty much all the best teams.
The success of Mexican teams in the Libertadores speaks against
this, and MLS teams have achieved parity or better with LigaMX in
recent years.
3 finalists and 0 winners. And they've all been since North American
teams started playing in the World Club Championship anyway.
Mark wrote:
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:23:49 PM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
It wasn't a one-off friendly. It was the World Championship.
Played by teams from only two continents! How can it be a "world" championship if teams from Africa, Asia, Oceania and North America wasn't in it? You are aware that there are more than two continents
on this Earth I assume?
The same way the World Chess Championship would be a WorldBad analogy. The Chess world championship isn't a team tournament but
Championship if they didn't allow women to play in it? In fact, are
women allowed to play in the World Cup? The World Cup is regarded as
a World Championship.
it is open to players from every continent. If you've a good enough
FIDE ranking to make it to the candidates tournament you can go on to challenge the World Champion. If only players from Europe and South
America could participate then it wouldn't be a world championship.
It was a glorified friendly organised [originally] by UEFA &
CONMEBOL. The best football teams from other confederations never
got a chance to see if they were the best team in the World, so the Intercontinental Cup didn't constitute a proper "World
Championship". You can disagree as much as you want to but it
doesn't change the reality; two continents is not the world!
I'm not the only person that disagrees. The media called it the WorldFIFA only got on-board 'club' world champions in recent years, once
Club Championship, and FIFA have declared all the winners de facto
World Champions.
they realised there was money in it... but at least they want to
involve clubs from every continent. FIFA most certainly didn't
acknowledge the Intercontinental Cup winners as "World Champions" back
in the day... and it was they who officially termed it as a friendly
match, especially when UEFA and CONMEBOL wouldn't allow teams from
other confederations to participate.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 11:52:18 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
The same way the World Chess Championship would be a World
Championship if they didn't allow women to play in it? In fact,
are women allowed to play in the World Cup? The World Cup is
regarded as a World Championship.
Bad analogy. The Chess world championship isn't a team tournament
but it is open to players from every continent. If you've a good
enough FIDE ranking to make it to the candidates tournament you can
go on to challenge the World Champion. If only players from Europe
and South America could participate then it wouldn't be a world championship.
I can't see a relevant difference between only including teams or
players from certain continents and only including players of one sex.
I'm not the only person that disagrees. The media called it the
World Club Championship, and FIFA have declared all the winners
de facto World Champions.
FIFA only got on-board 'club' world champions in recent years, once
they realised there was money in it... but at least they want to
involve clubs from every continent. FIFA most certainly didn't
acknowledge the Intercontinental Cup winners as "World Champions"
back in the day... and it was they who officially termed it as a
friendly match, especially when UEFA and CONMEBOL wouldn't allow
teams from other confederations to participate.
When did FIFA term it as a friendly match? I wasn't aware of that.
Anyway, even if they did, they certainly seem to have changed their
minds.
Mark wrote:
I can't see a relevant difference between only including teams orThe main difference is that women are not excluded from becoming the
players from certain continents and only including players of one sex.
World Chess Champion!!! It is an open tournament based on FIDE ranking. There is a separate women's tournament, but female chess players with a
high enough ranking can compete against the men. Generally, the women
don't have FIDE rankings that compare to the men.
When did FIFA term it as a friendly match? I wasn't aware of that.Google it! Many years ago though.
Anyway, even if they did, they certainly seem to have changed their
minds.
Of course FIFA have changed their minds ... $$$
On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 11:23:27 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
I can't see a relevant difference between only including teams or
players from certain continents and only including players of one
sex.
The main difference is that women are not excluded from becoming
the World Chess Champion!!! It is an open tournament based on FIDE
ranking. There is a separate women's tournament, but female chess
players with a high enough ranking can compete against the men.
Generally, the women don't have FIDE rankings that compare to the
men.
I'm talking about a hypothetical example where women aren't allowed
to compete in the World Chess Championship. I know they are in real
life.
When did FIFA term it as a friendly match? I wasn't aware ofGoogle it! Many years ago though.
that. Anyway, even if they did, they certainly seem to have
changed their minds.
Of course FIFA have changed their minds ... $$$
How would FIFA make money from declaring the winners of a tournament
that hadn't been played since 2004 World Champions, in 2017?
Mark wrote:
On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 11:23:27 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
I can't see a relevant difference between only including teams or players from certain continents and only including players of one
sex.
The main difference is that women are not excluded from becoming
the World Chess Champion!!! It is an open tournament based on FIDE ranking. There is a separate women's tournament, but female chess players with a high enough ranking can compete against the men. Generally, the women don't have FIDE rankings that compare to the
men.
I'm talking about a hypothetical example where women aren't allowedBut why bring chess in to it? The Intercontinental Cup was not
to compete in the World Chess Championship. I know they are in real
life.
hypothetical. It existed and only teams from two continents were
involved. It did what it said on the tin. Inter-continental, as in
between continents. Not world championship! Are you saying no other continents in the world had good club football teams?
When did FIFA term it as a friendly match? I wasn't aware ofGoogle it! Many years ago though.
that. Anyway, even if they did, they certainly seem to have
changed their minds.
Of course FIFA have changed their minds ... $$$
How would FIFA make money from declaring the winners of a tournamentFIFA are only interested in club tournaments in recent years because of
that hadn't been played since 2004 World Champions, in 2017?
the money, and going forward the revamped CWC will bring in big money
for them. (If it goes ahead as planned.) Back in the 1950's/1960's FIFA
were more concerned with the International game. Now it's the club
teams that are rich and powerful and modern club football at the top
level is all about money. FIFA are no exception to wanting to have
their snouts in the trough.
Anyone can call a team 'world champions' but if teams from Africa,
Asia, Oceania and North America are excluded it cannot be taken
seriously as a world championship. Which is why FIFA have included
teams from those continents in the current CWC format.
No other continents had club football teams that were as good as Real
Madrid, AC Milan, Penarol, Santos, Independiente etc.
OK, I still don't see how declaring the winners of the
Intercontinental Cup from before 2005 as World Champions makes them
money though.
Mark wrote:
No other continents had club football teams that were as good as Real Madrid, AC Milan, Penarol, Santos, Independiente etc.How do you know? What criteria are you using to judge that? You seem to
know an awful lot about club football around the world all of a sudden?
OK, I still don't see how declaring the winners of theIt's plain that FIFA want to give credence to their idea of world
Intercontinental Cup from before 2005 as World Champions makes them
money though.
football as it is now ... and everything FIFA does is about money.
(Believe it or not, they are a business!) If Uncle Gianni makes a
statement about anything, there's something, somewhere, in it for FIFA
and him!
The Intercontinental Cup was - to a lot of football fans in Europe -
nothing more than a glorified friendly. If you don't agree with that
point of view, that's fine. In life people are free to believe in
whatever you want to. After all, there is still a Flat Earth Society.
On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 5:07:31 PM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
No other continents had club football teams that were as good as
Real Madrid, AC Milan, Penarol, Santos, Independiente etc.
How do you know? What criteria are you using to judge that? You
seem to know an awful lot about club football around the world all
of a sudden?
I suppose I'm going by South American and European national teams
dominance of the World Cup, and South America and Europe's dominance
of the Club World Cup this century.
The Intercontinental Cup was - to a lot of football fans in Europe
- nothing more than a glorified friendly. If you don't agree with
that point of view, that's fine. In life people are free to believe
in whatever they want to. After all, there is still a Flat Earth
Society.
The Intercontinental Cup was an unofficial World Championship. And I
think FIFA and most of the World's media agree with me.
The Intercontinental Cup was an unofficial World Championship. And I
think FIFA and most of the World's media agree with me.
<shrugs> Maybe they do, maybe they don't. It's pretty much irrelevant
in the big scheme of things now as those matches were played many years
ago and FIFA have rectified the situation by having their own official
club world championship that involves teams from six continents instead
of just two.
I still don't think - as is - the CWC is a very important tournament
but I will be interested to see how Uncle Gianni's expanded world club tournament works in 2025... if it happens.
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