• RIP Just Fontaine

    From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 06:06:45 2023
    Passed away today, at age 89. Joint fourth in the list of WC goalscorers (tied with Lionel Messi), he hasn't seen his record of goals in a single WC edition be surpassed. At club level, he was four times French champion and twice French
    Cup winner with Stade Reims, plus a European Champions Cup silver medal in 1959,
    having faced in the final the Real Madrid of Alfredo Di Stefano, Ferenc Puskas and his French nt teammate Raymond Kopa.

    His career was abruptly cut short in 1962 due to a broken leg, so he went on to the coaching path, with more discrete results. He did bring PSG back into the French first division in 1974 and finished his career in his native Morocco,
    leading the national team to a third place finish in the African Cup of Nations of 1980.

    With his passing, only three members of the French team of 1958 are still alive: Dominique Colonna, Robert Mouynet and Bernard Chiarelli.

    May he rest in peace.


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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 15:39:46 2023
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 3:06:47 PM UTC+1, Lléo wrote:
    Passed away today, at age 89. Joint fourth in the list of WC goalscorers (tied
    with Lionel Messi), he hasn't seen his record of goals in a single WC edition
    be surpassed. At club level, he was four times French champion and twice French
    Cup winner with Stade Reims, plus a European Champions Cup silver medal in 1959,
    having faced in the final the Real Madrid of Alfredo Di Stefano, Ferenc Puskas
    and his French nt teammate Raymond Kopa.

    His career was abruptly cut short in 1962 due to a broken leg, so he went on to the coaching path, with more discrete results. He did bring PSG back into the French first division in 1974 and finished his career in his native Morocco,
    leading the national team to a third place finish in the African Cup of Nations
    of 1980.

    With his passing, only three members of the French team of 1958 are still alive: Dominique Colonna, Robert Mouynet and Bernard Chiarelli.

    Updating the somewhat macabre list from our 2020 Agne Simonsson thread, following the death of Paraguay's Darío Jara Saguier this January, Mexico legend
    Antonio Carbajal (*07 Jun 1929) is now the very last survivor of the 1950 World Cup, while the oldest still alive World Cup player Nikita Simonyan (*12 Oct 1926)
    as of last week is still quite active as vice president of the Russian Football Union,
    going on record in a quite circumspect manner about how 'Russian football needs to stay in Europe'.

    Also, following Pelé's death, Reino Börjesson (*04 Feb 1929), Kurt Hamrin (*14 Nov 1934)
    and Mário Zagallo (*09 Aug 1931) are the last players remaining from the 1958 final.

    And, purely as a reminder to myself, the last survivor of Austria's squad at the 1958
    World Cup is Hans Buzek (*22 May 1938).

    Ciao,
    Werner



    May he rest in peace.


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  • From Moriarty@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Mar 1 20:11:15 2023
    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:39:48 AM UTC+11, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 3:06:47 PM UTC+1, Lléo wrote:
    Passed away today, at age 89. Joint fourth in the list of WC goalscorers (tied
    with Lionel Messi), he hasn't seen his record of goals in a single WC edition
    be surpassed. At club level, he was four times French champion and twice French
    Cup winner with Stade Reims, plus a European Champions Cup silver medal in 1959,
    having faced in the final the Real Madrid of Alfredo Di Stefano, Ferenc Puskas
    and his French nt teammate Raymond Kopa.

    His career was abruptly cut short in 1962 due to a broken leg, so he went on
    to the coaching path, with more discrete results. He did bring PSG back into
    the French first division in 1974 and finished his career in his native Morocco,
    leading the national team to a third place finish in the African Cup of Nations
    of 1980.

    With his passing, only three members of the French team of 1958 are still alive: Dominique Colonna, Robert Mouynet and Bernard Chiarelli.
    Updating the somewhat macabre list from our 2020 Agne Simonsson thread, following the death of Paraguay's Darío Jara Saguier this January, Mexico legend
    Antonio Carbajal (*07 Jun 1929) is now the very last survivor of the 1950 World
    Cup, while the oldest still alive World Cup player Nikita Simonyan (*12 Oct 1926)
    as of last week is still quite active as vice president of the Russian Football Union,
    going on record in a quite circumspect manner about how 'Russian football needs
    to stay in Europe'.

    He's also the oldest Olympic football gold medalist, having won it in 1956!

    -Moriarty

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 23:56:59 2023
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 2:06:47 PM UTC, Lléo wrote:
    Passed away today, at age 89. Joint fourth in the list of WC goalscorers (tied
    with Lionel Messi), he hasn't seen his record of goals in a single WC edition
    be surpassed. At club level, he was four times French champion and twice French
    Cup winner with Stade Reims, plus a European Champions Cup silver medal in 1959,
    having faced in the final the Real Madrid of Alfredo Di Stefano, Ferenc Puskas
    and his French nt teammate Raymond Kopa.

    His career was abruptly cut short in 1962 due to a broken leg, so he went on to the coaching path, with more discrete results. He did bring PSG back into the French first division in 1974 and finished his career in his native Morocco,
    leading the national team to a third place finish in the African Cup of Nations
    of 1980.

    With his passing, only three members of the French team of 1958 are still alive: Dominique Colonna, Robert Mouynet and Bernard Chiarelli.

    May he rest in peace.


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    Lléo

    The 4th best French player ever, behind Michel Platini, Raymond Kopa and Zinedine Zidane?

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  • From Ammammata@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 08:41:41 2023
    Werner Pichler was thinking very hard :
    And, purely as a reminder to myself, the last survivor of Austria's squad at the 1958 World Cup is Hans Buzek (*22 May 1938).

    In Italy, on June 18, 2021, Giampiero Boniperti passed away

    He was the last player to partecipate to a national game in the forties

    Giampiero Boniperti - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giampiero_Boniperti

    After playing 14 games in the Serie A league, Boniperti was called up
    to play for the Italy national football team, making his international
    debut on 9 November 1947, in a game against Austria

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Moriarty on Thu Mar 2 05:01:54 2023
    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 5:11:17 AM UTC+1, Moriarty wrote:
    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:39:48 AM UTC+11, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 3:06:47 PM UTC+1, Lléo wrote:
    Passed away today, at age 89. Joint fourth in the list of WC goalscorers (tied
    with Lionel Messi), he hasn't seen his record of goals in a single WC edition
    be surpassed. At club level, he was four times French champion and twice French
    Cup winner with Stade Reims, plus a European Champions Cup silver medal in 1959,
    having faced in the final the Real Madrid of Alfredo Di Stefano, Ferenc Puskas
    and his French nt teammate Raymond Kopa.

    His career was abruptly cut short in 1962 due to a broken leg, so he went on
    to the coaching path, with more discrete results. He did bring PSG back into
    the French first division in 1974 and finished his career in his native Morocco,
    leading the national team to a third place finish in the African Cup of Nations
    of 1980.

    With his passing, only three members of the French team of 1958 are still
    alive: Dominique Colonna, Robert Mouynet and Bernard Chiarelli.
    Updating the somewhat macabre list from our 2020 Agne Simonsson thread, following the death of Paraguay's Darío Jara Saguier this January, Mexico legend
    Antonio Carbajal (*07 Jun 1929) is now the very last survivor of the 1950 World
    Cup, while the oldest still alive World Cup player Nikita Simonyan (*12 Oct 1926)
    as of last week is still quite active as vice president of the Russian Football Union,
    going on record in a quite circumspect manner about how 'Russian football needs
    to stay in Europe'.

    He's also the oldest Olympic football gold medalist, having won it in 1956!

    Also, the only remaining player from the Soviet Union's opponents in the final, Yugoslavia,
    is 1860 Munich goalkeeper legend Petar 'Radi' Radenković (*01 Oct 1934). A colourful figure
    in the 60's, one of just four foreigners in the then brand-new German Bundesliga, and one of
    the first 'entertainers' on the pitch.

    Ciao,
    Werner

    -Moriarty

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Mon Jan 8 18:46:41 2024
    Werner Pichler wrote:

    On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 9:32:53 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 6:12:26 AM UTC+1, Lléo wrote:

    Börjesson has died last October, so Hamrin is the last survivor from that final.

    After a quick glimpse at Wikipedia, I see that the only survivors of the >> > following one (1962) today are Amarildo and Josef Jelínek.
    What's worse, for the subsequent one Geoff Hurst (82) is the last survivor on the English side.

    On the other hand, more than half of the Western German team is still alive - Beckenbauer (78),

    Goddammit

    First learned the news on this thread, initially quite incredulous. One of the true all-time greats, good that there are two independent threads on RSS commemorating him.

    RIP

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  • From Jesper Lauridsen@21:1/5 to Jesus Petry on Mon Jan 8 20:33:04 2024
    On 08/01/2024 17.52, Jesus Petry wrote:

     RIP Zagallo and Beckenbauer.
     It's been a rough week on the football greats.

    Didier Deschamps is now the only man alive to have won the World Cup
    both as player and manager.

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  • From Jesper Lauridsen@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Mon Jan 8 20:31:13 2024
    On 08/01/2024 17.28, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 9:32:53 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 6:12:26 AM UTC+1, Lléo wrote:

    Börjesson has died last October, so Hamrin is the last survivor from that final.

    After a quick glimpse at Wikipedia, I see that the only survivors of the >>> following one (1962) today are Amarildo and Josef Jelínek.
    What's worse, for the subsequent one Geoff Hurst (82) is the last survivor on the English side.

    On the other hand, more than half of the Western German team is still alive - Beckenbauer (78),

    Goddammit

    I had just considered commenting that his health was said to be poor.

    2021: Gerd Müller
    2022: Uwe Seeler
    2024: Franz Beckenbauer

    Germany's all-time greats have taken some heavy losses in recent year.




    Weber (79), Overath (80), Held (81), Schnellinger (84), and Schulz (85)

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Jesper Lauridsen on Mon Jan 8 21:19:37 2024
    Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

    On 08/01/2024 17.52, Jesus Petry wrote:

     RIP Zagallo and Beckenbauer.
     It's been a rough week on the football greats.

    Didier Deschamps is now the only man alive to have won the World
    Cup both as player and manager.

    All that water has clearly helped his health! ;-)

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Tue Feb 20 13:21:09 2024
    Werner Pichler wrote:

    On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:31:19 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    On 08/01/2024 17.28, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 9:32:53 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 6:12:26 AM UTC+1, Lléo wrote:

    Börjesson has died last October, so Hamrin is the last survivor from that final.

    After a quick glimpse at Wikipedia, I see that the only survivors of the >> >>> following one (1962) today are Amarildo and Josef Jelínek.
    What's worse, for the subsequent one Geoff Hurst (82) is the last survivor on the English side.

    On the other hand, more than half of the Western German team is still alive - Beckenbauer (78),

    Goddammit

    I had just considered commenting that his health was said to be poor.

    Yes, it was known. He lived in Salzburg and used to feature quite prominently at a lot of events
    hereabouts, but it's now been a couple of years that he slipped more and more from the limelight,
    and his last public appearance was twelve months ago.


    RIP Andy Brehme. Second 1990 finalist to pass away (after Diego). Are all the 1994 finalists still OK?

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Feb 20 16:31:32 2024
    Futbolmetrix wrote:


    RIP Andy Brehme. Second 1990 finalist to pass away (after Diego).

    I posted this without checking, but turns out it's correct. On the other hand, I was surprised to find out that Brehme is already the 5th 1986 WC finalist no longer with us (Brown, Cuciuffo, Maradona and Norbert Eder the others).

    So, Paolo Rossi, Brown and Brehme, scorers of the opening goals in the 1982, 1986, and 1990 WC finals all passed away before reaching age 65. If I'm Zidane, I start worrying... :-/

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Tue Feb 20 17:46:19 2024
    On 2024-02-20 13:16, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On 20.02.2024 14:21, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    Werner Pichler wrote:

    On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:31:19 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote: >>>> On 08/01/2024 17.28, Werner Pichler wrote: > On Monday, January 8,
    2024 at 9:32:53 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote: >> On Monday,
    January 8, 2024 at 6:12:26 AM UTC+1, Lléo wrote: >>> >>>> Börjesson >>>> has died last October, so Hamrin is the last survivor from that
    final. >>> >>> After a quick glimpse at Wikipedia, I see that the
    only survivors of the >>> following one (1962) today are Amarildo
    and Josef Jelínek. >> What's worse, for the subsequent one Geoff
    Hurst (82) is the last survivor on the English side. >> >> On the
    other hand, more than half of the Western German team is still alive
    - Beckenbauer (78), > > Goddammit

    I had just considered commenting that his health was said to be poor.

    Yes, it was known. He lived in Salzburg and used to feature quite
    prominently at a lot of events
    hereabouts, but it's now been a couple of years that he slipped more
    and more from the limelight,
    and his last public appearance was twelve months ago.


    RIP Andy Brehme. Second 1990 finalist to pass away (after Diego). Are
    all the 1994 finalists still OK?


    I remember a newspaper article several years ago that pointed out how different the two generations of the 1990 WC the 1996 Euro were
    perceived in Germany - while the 96'ers were (and still are) very
    prominent in various functions at Bundesliga clubs, or on TV (Sammer, Bierhoff, Kahn, Bobic, Scholl, Freund, even guys like Helmer and Kuntz),
    the 90'ers have become mostly a motley collection of coaching careers
    that never really took off, (Häßler, Kohler, Thon, Brehme himself), some success abroad but none at home (Buchwald and Littbarski in Japan, Augenthaler partly in Austria), becoming the class clown (Matthäus), deliberately disappearing from the radar (Illgner, who moved to Florida
    and never looked back), and going off the deep end (Berthold).

    Notable exceptions being Rudi Völler (although 1990 came at the tail end
    of his career),

    Tail end of his career is a wee bit harsh. Sure, he was 30 at WC1990,
    but still a force to be reckoned with for a few years yet. He did not
    stop playing until 1996. He played in the 1994 world cup, and had 17
    caps and 7 goals after 1990. 20 caps after WC 1990.
    75 games and 31 goals in his last two BL seasons.
    Also won the CL in 1993, playing 79 minutes in the final.

    and the two holdovers from the 1990 to the 1996
    tournament, Stefan Reuter and Jürgen Klinsmann (although his reputation
    has by now taken quite a hit, too).

    Wasn't Häßler a holdover too? Andy Möller and Kohler ? I only remember Germany being extremely depleted by injuries in that tournament, so some
    of those guys may not have played much.

    What's true is that the 1990 World Cup winners never reached the status
    in Germany that the 1974 generation did. And the 1996'ers were already
    much more 'modern' and media-savvy, which helped them in their
    post-playing careers.

    Brehme on the other hand was always old-school. RIP.

    Saw him play in person with Kaiserslautern when he was still young.



    Ciao,
    Werner

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