As we've seen, FIFA is considering keeping the first stage of the next 48-team World Cup a groups of four affair, which is a very sensible idea.competition too long) or needing to qualify "best third placed teams", which is not ideal given how groups can be unevenly distributed in strength.
This could have, though, the potential problem of either ending up with a number of teams which is not a power of two (thus possibly needing another group stage with groups of three, which is awful, or groups of six, which is nice, but makes the
This proposal intends to solve these problems as well as diminish another problem that already occurs in the current system: that of teams using reserves in the final group matchday.Summing it up:
The plan is to give the eight group winners with the best records the prize of skipping right over through to the otofinals, which gives a strong incentive to teams already qualified before the last round to try and win a bye in the second stage.
FIRST STAGE:
- 12 groups of four teams;
- Top two in each group stay in the competition;
- Eight first placed teams with the best records jump straight to otofinals.
SECOND STAGE:
- The other four first placed teams face second placed teams previously allocated to play against them (e.g.: 1A vs. 2B, 1B vs. 2A...; as it is currently)
- The remaining eight second placed teams are paired in order of their group letters (e.g.: 2C vs. 2D, 2E vs. 2F...).
OTOFINALS:
- Each "top 8" winner of the first stage plays a winner from the second stage, with the teams from the first letters groups facing a team from the last letters in the other seeding, forcing the initial groups to cross over.
QUARTERFINALS and on:
- Just like it is currently.
Example case:
Let's say the "top 8" winners records are from groups A, D, E, F, H, I, J, L.
Second stage will be:
1B vs. 2A (W1)
1C vs. 2D (W2)
1G vs. 2H (W3)
1K vs. 2L (W4)
2B vs. 2C (W5)
2E vs. 2F (W6)
2G vs. 2I (W7)
2J vs. 2K (W8)
Otofinals will be (ordering by "earlier letter" then "later letter" the second stage seeds):
1A vs. W4
1D vs. W8
1E vs. W7
1F vs. W3
1H vs. W6
1I vs. W2
1J vs. W5
1L vs. W1
There is room for improvement, but I think this is a good start.
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
Just leave it alone with 32 teams.
- Eight first placed teams with the best records jump straight to otofinals.
On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 5:51:32 PM UTC, jesus...@gmail.com wrote:
- Eight first placed teams with the best records jump straight to otofinals.
I'm not too keen on this bit. Is this really much better than the 3rd placed teams with the best records going through to the 2nd round? I think all group winners, and all group runners-up etc, should be rewarded equally.
As we've seen, FIFA is considering keeping the first stage of the next 48-team World Cup a groups of four affair, which is a very sensible idea.competition too long) or needing to qualify "best third placed teams", which is not ideal given how groups can be unevenly distributed in strength.
This could have, though, the potential problem of either ending up with a number of teams which is not a power of two (thus possibly needing another group stage with groups of three, which is awful, or groups of six, which is nice, but makes the
This proposal intends to solve these problems as well as diminish another problem that already occurs in the current system: that of teams using reserves in the final group matchday.Summing it up:
The plan is to give the eight group winners with the best records the prize of skipping right over through to the otofinals, which gives a strong incentive to teams already qualified before the last round to try and win a bye in the second stage.
FIRST STAGE:
- 12 groups of four teams;
- Top two in each group stay in the competition;
- Eight first placed teams with the best records jump straight to otofinals.
SECOND STAGE:
- The other four first placed teams face second placed teams previously allocated to play against them (e.g.: 1A vs. 2B, 1B vs. 2A...; as it is currently)
- The remaining eight second placed teams are paired in order of their group letters (e.g.: 2C vs. 2D, 2E vs. 2F...).
OTOFINALS:
- Each "top 8" winner of the first stage plays a winner from the second stage, with the teams from the first letters groups facing a team from the last letters in the other seeding, forcing the initial groups to cross over.
QUARTERFINALS and on:
- Just like it is currently.
Example case:
Let's say the "top 8" winners records are from groups A, D, E, F, H, I, J, L. Second stage will be:
1B vs. 2A (W1)
1C vs. 2D (W2)
1G vs. 2H (W3)
1K vs. 2L (W4)
2B vs. 2C (W5)
2E vs. 2F (W6)
2G vs. 2I (W7)
2J vs. 2K (W8)
Otofinals will be (ordering by "earlier letter" then "later letter" the second stage seeds):
1A vs. W4
1D vs. W8
1E vs. W7
1F vs. W3
1H vs. W6
1I vs. W2
1J vs. W5
1L vs. W1
There is room for improvement, but I think this is a good start.
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
On 2022-12-29 10:51, Jesus Petry wrote:competition too long) or needing to qualify "best third placed teams", which is not ideal given how groups can be unevenly distributed in strength.
As we've seen, FIFA is considering keeping the first stage of the next 48-team World Cup a groups of four affair, which is a very sensible idea.
This could have, though, the potential problem of either ending up with a number of teams which is not a power of two (thus possibly needing another group stage with groups of three, which is awful, or groups of six, which is nice, but makes the
Summing it up:This proposal intends to solve these problems as well as diminish another problem that already occurs in the current system: that of teams using reserves in the final group matchday.
The plan is to give the eight group winners with the best records the prize of skipping right over through to the otofinals, which gives a strong incentive to teams already qualified before the last round to try and win a bye in the second stage.
FIRST STAGE:
- 12 groups of four teams;
- Top two in each group stay in the competition;
- Eight first placed teams with the best records jump straight to otofinals.
SECOND STAGE:
- The other four first placed teams face second placed teams previously allocated to play against them (e.g.: 1A vs. 2B, 1B vs. 2A...; as it is currently)
- The remaining eight second placed teams are paired in order of their group letters (e.g.: 2C vs. 2D, 2E vs. 2F...).
OTOFINALS:This is the best suggestion I have heard yet for how to run a 48 team tournament, since we are stuck with that, apparently.
- Each "top 8" winner of the first stage plays a winner from the second stage, with the teams from the first letters groups facing a team from the last letters in the other seeding, forcing the initial groups to cross over.
It is far better than groups of 3 teams, or including the best 8 (of 12) third placed teams. And six team first round groups are kind of out of
the question. Only way that would work would be each team only played
three games, based on a seeding system (6 teams, 1 vs 2, 4, 6 seeds; 2
vs. 1, 3, 5; 3 vs 2, 4, 6; 4 vs. 1, 3, 5; 5 vs. 2,4,6; 6 vs. 1,3,5, or something like that. Not sure I like that.
QUARTERFINALS and on:
- Just like it is currently.
Example case:
Let's say the "top 8" winners records are from groups A, D, E, F, H, I, J, L.
Second stage will be:
1B vs. 2A (W1)
1C vs. 2D (W2)
1G vs. 2H (W3)
1K vs. 2L (W4)
2B vs. 2C (W5)
2E vs. 2F (W6)
2G vs. 2I (W7)
2J vs. 2K (W8)
Otofinals will be (ordering by "earlier letter" then "later letter" the second stage seeds):
1A vs. W4
1D vs. W8
1E vs. W7
1F vs. W3
1H vs. W6
1I vs. W2
1J vs. W5
1L vs. W1
There is room for improvement, but I think this is a good start.
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
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