• Re: WC 2022 SF Day 1: Argentina - Croatia [R]

    From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 09:34:25 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-6, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two camps?

    20 yellow cards? Is Argentina planning to kick the shit out of Modric and other Croat midfielders??? Take them out and Croatia is shit.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 09:28:45 2022
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two camps?

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Tue Dec 13 10:22:46 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-5, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-6, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two camps?
    20 yellow cards? Is Argentina planning to kick the shit out of Modric and other Croat midfielders??? Take them out and Croatia is shit.

    A few changes in the Argentinian lineup, as far as I can tell. It looks like a 4-3-1-2, with Paredes back in midfield, Lisandro Martinez out, Tagliafico in at left back. I guess it's a forced change with Montiel and Acuna suspended.

    Croatia confirms the same 11 starters that knocked out Brazil.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 10:34:34 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 6:22:48 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-5, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-6, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two camps?
    20 yellow cards? Is Argentina planning to kick the shit out of Modric and other Croat midfielders??? Take them out and Croatia is shit.
    A few changes in the Argentinian lineup, as far as I can tell. It looks like a 4-3-1-2, with Paredes back in midfield, Lisandro Martinez out, Tagliafico in at left back. I guess it's a forced change with Montiel and Acuna suspended.

    Croatia confirms the same 11 starters that knocked out Brazil.


    Good old ITV showing a segment on the England team and Southgate during the build up to Argentina - Croatia :(

    To be fair the BBC coverage this time has been much less England centric.


    RM

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to ixion martin - GdBx on Tue Dec 13 11:05:12 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 6:47:15 PM UTC, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Le 13/12/2022, Futbolmetrix a supposé :
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two
    camps?
    At which minute Argentina will get a dubious penalty ?

    --
    Ixion

    The light shirt / dark shirt directive strikes again - Croatia not wearing their famous red and white checked shirts but instead a navy away kit.

    RM

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Tue Dec 13 11:11:06 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The light shirt / dark shirt directive strikes again - Croatia not wearing their famous red and white checked shirts but instead a navy away kit.

    Even though in this case it's pretty justified: both the Argentina and Croatia jerseys are predominantly white.

    First 10 minutes, not much happening, Croatia with most of the ball.

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 19:47:13 2022
    Le 13/12/2022, Futbolmetrix a supposé :
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two
    camps?

    At which minute Argentina will get a dubious penalty ?

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    Ixion

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 11:21:30 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The light shirt / dark shirt directive strikes again - Croatia not wearing their famous red and white checked shirts but instead a navy away kit.
    Even though in this case it's pretty justified: both the Argentina and Croatia jerseys are predominantly white.

    First 10 minutes, not much happening, Croatia with most of the ball.

    20 minutes in, Croatia clearly the better team, but only a couple of long throw-ins and a corner kick to show for it. Messi has barely seen the ball.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 11:34:41 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:21:32 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The light shirt / dark shirt directive strikes again - Croatia not wearing their famous red and white checked shirts but instead a navy away kit.
    Even though in this case it's pretty justified: both the Argentina and Croatia jerseys are predominantly white.

    First 10 minutes, not much happening, Croatia with most of the ball.
    20 minutes in, Croatia clearly the better team, but only a couple of long throw-ins and a corner kick to show for it. Messi has barely seen the ball.
    A bit better from Argentina in the past 10 minutes, and they produce the first shot on target with a long-range effort by Enzo Fernandez. Livakovic parries.

    Kovacic-Brozovic-Modric are a great midfield.
    And now we get the answer to ixion's question: penalty to Argentina in the 32nd minute...

    Messi this time is playing no games and blasts it into the top corner, 1-0 Argentina

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to ixion martin - GdBx on Tue Dec 13 11:35:22 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:33:09 PM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    ixion martin - GdBx a présenté l'énoncé suivant :
    Le 13/12/2022, Futbolmetrix a supposé :
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two
    camps?

    At which minute Argentina will get a dubious penalty ?
    And the result is : 32 !

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 11:30:52 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:21:32 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The light shirt / dark shirt directive strikes again - Croatia not wearing their famous red and white checked shirts but instead a navy away kit.
    Even though in this case it's pretty justified: both the Argentina and Croatia jerseys are predominantly white.

    First 10 minutes, not much happening, Croatia with most of the ball.
    20 minutes in, Croatia clearly the better team, but only a couple of long throw-ins and a corner kick to show for it. Messi has barely seen the ball.

    A bit better from Argentina in the past 10 minutes, and they produce the first shot on target with a long-range effort by Enzo Fernandez. Livakovic parries.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 11:36:28 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:21:32 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The light shirt / dark shirt directive strikes again - Croatia not wearing their famous red and white checked shirts but instead a navy away kit.
    Even though in this case it's pretty justified: both the Argentina and Croatia jerseys are predominantly white.

    First 10 minutes, not much happening, Croatia with most of the ball.
    20 minutes in, Croatia clearly the better team, but only a couple of long throw-ins and a corner kick to show for it. Messi has barely seen the ball.
    A bit better from Argentina in the past 10 minutes, and they produce the first shot on target with a long-range effort by Enzo Fernandez. Livakovic parries.
    Kovacic-Brozovic-Modric are a great midfield.
    And now we get the answer to ixion's question: penalty to Argentina in the 32nd minute...

    Messi this time is playing no games and blasts it into the top corner, 1-0 Argentina

    Messi has now overtaken Batistuta as Argentina’s top World Cup scorer.


    RM

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Tue Dec 13 11:42:16 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:36:30 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:21:32 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The light shirt / dark shirt directive strikes again - Croatia not wearing their famous red and white checked shirts but instead a navy away kit.
    Even though in this case it's pretty justified: both the Argentina and Croatia jerseys are predominantly white.

    First 10 minutes, not much happening, Croatia with most of the ball.
    20 minutes in, Croatia clearly the better team, but only a couple of long throw-ins and a corner kick to show for it. Messi has barely seen the ball.
    A bit better from Argentina in the past 10 minutes, and they produce the first shot on target with a long-range effort by Enzo Fernandez. Livakovic parries.
    Kovacic-Brozovic-Modric are a great midfield.
    And now we get the answer to ixion's question: penalty to Argentina in the 32nd minute...

    Messi this time is playing no games and blasts it into the top corner, 1-0 Argentina
    Messi has now overtaken Batistuta as Argentina’s top World Cup scorer.


    RM

    Incredible run by Alvarez, beats two Croatia defenders and finishes to put Argentina 2-0 up! That was worthy of Maradona!


    RM

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Tue Dec 13 11:43:22 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    I actually don't know what that the LOTG say in these circumstances. Alvarez tries to chip the goalkeeper in what is clearly a shot, then the Livakovic barges into him.

    Anyway, Alvarez makes it 2-0 with a solo run, aided by a couple of favorable bounces.

    And now Argentina close to making it 3-0

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Tue Dec 13 11:43:31 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:42:18 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:36:30 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:21:32 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The light shirt / dark shirt directive strikes again - Croatia not wearing their famous red and white checked shirts but instead a navy away kit.
    Even though in this case it's pretty justified: both the Argentina and Croatia jerseys are predominantly white.

    First 10 minutes, not much happening, Croatia with most of the ball.
    20 minutes in, Croatia clearly the better team, but only a couple of long throw-ins and a corner kick to show for it. Messi has barely seen the ball.
    A bit better from Argentina in the past 10 minutes, and they produce the first shot on target with a long-range effort by Enzo Fernandez. Livakovic parries.
    Kovacic-Brozovic-Modric are a great midfield.
    And now we get the answer to ixion's question: penalty to Argentina in the 32nd minute...

    Messi this time is playing no games and blasts it into the top corner, 1-0 Argentina
    Messi has now overtaken Batistuta as Argentina’s top World Cup scorer.


    RM

    Incredible run by Alvarez, beats two Croatia defenders and finishes to put Argentina 2-0 up! That was worthy of Maradona!

    Slightly lucky bounces, it has to be admitted.
    In hockey they would call that 'crashing the net'.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to real_mardin@yahoo.co.uk on Tue Dec 13 19:44:02 2022
    In article <7844bbc0-976f-4933-b256-6f495f4a17den@googlegroups.com>,
    Real Mardin <real_mardin@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:36:30 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:21:32 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >> > > > On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >> > > > > On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The light shirt / dark shirt directive strikes again -
    Croatia not wearing their famous red and white checked shirts but
    instead a navy away kit.
    Even though in this case it's pretty justified: both the
    Argentina and Croatia jerseys are predominantly white.

    First 10 minutes, not much happening, Croatia with most of the ball. >> > > > 20 minutes in, Croatia clearly the better team, but only a
    couple of long throw-ins and a corner kick to show for it. Messi has
    barely seen the ball.
    A bit better from Argentina in the past 10 minutes, and they
    produce the first shot on target with a long-range effort by Enzo
    Fernandez. Livakovic parries.
    Kovacic-Brozovic-Modric are a great midfield.
    And now we get the answer to ixion's question: penalty to Argentina
    in the 32nd minute...

    Messi this time is playing no games and blasts it into the top
    corner, 1-0 Argentina
    Messi has now overtaken Batistuta as Argentina’s top World Cup scorer.


    RM

    Incredible run by Alvarez, beats two Croatia defenders and finishes to
    put Argentina 2-0 up! That was worthy of Maradona!


    RM

    Getting there!
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to daniele.paserman@gmail.com on Tue Dec 13 19:44:13 2022
    In article <da3bea14-687a-4017-a1c4-893aac6e5db4n@googlegroups.com>, Futbolmetrix <daniele.paserman@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    I actually don't know what that the LOTG say in these circumstances.
    Alvarez tries to chip the goalkeeper in what is clearly a shot, then the >Livakovic barges into him.

    Anyway, Alvarez makes it 2-0 with a solo run, aided by a couple of
    favorable bounces.

    And now Argentina close to making it 3-0

    But still 2- 0
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 20:44:43 2022
    Werner Pichler a exposé le 13/12/2022 :
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:33:09 PM UTC+1, ixion
    martin - GdBx wrote:
    ixion martin - GdBx a présenté l'énoncé suivant :
    Le 13/12/2022, Futbolmetrix a supposé :
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two
    camps?

    At which minute Argentina will get a dubious penalty ?
    And the result is : 32 !

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    If you think that is enough to knock the goalkeeper (which
    stopped his movement) to have a penalty, ok, it is not dubious.

    There are some smells of 1978 there. FIFA should give the Cup
    to Argentina directly.

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 11:45:01 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:43:24 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    I actually don't know what that the LOTG say in these circumstances. Alvarez tries to chip the goalkeeper in what is clearly a shot, then the Livakovic barges into him.

    The one who's first to the ball gets the call. That's not exactly what it says in the LOTG, but I'm pretty sure that's the gist.

    Ciao,
    Werner

    Anyway, Alvarez makes it 2-0 with a solo run, aided by a couple of favorable bounces.

    And now Argentina close to making it 3-0

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Tue Dec 13 11:47:30 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:42:18 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    RM
    Incredible run by Alvarez, beats two Croatia defenders and finishes to put Argentina 2-0 up! That was worthy of Maradona!


    Hmm....no. He just ran straight ahead and had two bounces go his way.

    Croatia could have a legitimate gripe about the position of the Argentinian defender on the Croatian corner kick that led to the Alvarez goal.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Tue Dec 13 11:51:43 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:45:03 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:43:24 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    I actually don't know what that the LOTG say in these circumstances. Alvarez tries to chip the goalkeeper in what is clearly a shot, then the Livakovic barges into him.
    The one who's first to the ball gets the call. That's not exactly what it says in the LOTG, but I'm pretty sure that's the gist.

    Ciao,
    Werner
    Anyway, Alvarez makes it 2-0 with a solo run, aided by a couple of favorable bounces.

    And now Argentina close to making it 3-0

    HT: 2-0

    For a moment it looked as if Argentina would blow the game open, but Croatia hangs on. they could still make it interesting in the second half.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 11:56:20 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:51:44 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    For a moment it looked as if Argentina would blow the game open, but Croatia hangs on. they could still make it interesting in the second half.

    Mandzukic (on the Croatian bench) sent off :-(

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 11:58:23 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:51:44 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:45:03 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:43:24 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    I actually don't know what that the LOTG say in these circumstances. Alvarez tries to chip the goalkeeper in what is clearly a shot, then the Livakovic barges into him.
    The one who's first to the ball gets the call. That's not exactly what it says in the LOTG, but I'm pretty sure that's the gist.

    Ciao,
    Werner
    Anyway, Alvarez makes it 2-0 with a solo run, aided by a couple of favorable bounces.

    And now Argentina close to making it 3-0
    HT: 2-0

    For a moment it looked as if Argentina would blow the game open, but Croatia hangs on. they could still make it interesting in the second half.

    I wonder if Messi will get credited with the assist on the Alvarez goal ...

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to ixion martin - GdBx on Tue Dec 13 11:56:20 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:44:45 PM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Werner Pichler a exposé le 13/12/2022 :
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:33:09 PM UTC+1, ixion
    martin - GdBx wrote:
    ixion martin - GdBx a présenté l'énoncé suivant :
    Le 13/12/2022, Futbolmetrix a supposé :
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two
    camps?

    At which minute Argentina will get a dubious penalty ?
    And the result is : 32 !

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!
    If you think that is enough to knock the goalkeeper (which
    stopped his movement) to have a penalty, ok, it is not dubious.

    Unbelievable. Yeah sure, next time Mbappé gets floored like that I will remind you of this.

    Ciao,
    Werner


    There are some smells of 1978 there. FIFA should give the Cup
    to Argentina directly.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to vedran on Tue Dec 13 12:02:59 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:58:59 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:

    Not sure about refereeing, but you have to play (much) better than this
    for the final.

    Croatia was the much better team until the Argentinian goal. I know I am provoking the weaufx Gods, but I think this match is not over yet.

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 21:06:47 2022
    On 13.12.2022. 21:02, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:58:59 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:

    Not sure about refereeing, but you have to play (much) better than this
    for the final.

    Croatia was the much better team until the Argentinian goal. I know I am provoking the weaufx Gods, but I think this match is not over yet.

    Maybe, but what's possession without proper chances.
    It is speculated some players who are not 100% fit are playing, Sosa first,
    he is subbed out now.
    Reminds me of Subasic 4 years ago.

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 20:33:07 2022
    ixion martin - GdBx a présenté l'énoncé suivant :
    Le 13/12/2022, Futbolmetrix a supposé :
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two
    camps?

    At which minute Argentina will get a dubious penalty ?

    And the result is : 32 !

    --
    Ixion

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 20:58:54 2022
    On 13.12.2022. 18:28, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two camps?

    I was too nervous before the match, not surprised by Argentina leading,
    but didn't expect such a knockdown.
    At least I can watch 2nd half calmly.

    Not sure about refereeing, but you have to play (much) better than this
    for the final.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 12:32:32 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:06:51 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
    On 13.12.2022. 21:02, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:58:59 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:

    Not sure about refereeing, but you have to play (much) better than this >> for the final.

    Croatia was the much better team until the Argentinian goal. I know I am provoking the weaufx Gods, but I think this match is not over yet.
    Maybe, but what's possession without proper chances.
    It is speculated some players who are not 100% fit are playing, Sosa first, he is subbed out now.
    Reminds me of Subasic 4 years ago.
    60' Croatia trying to be more aggressive in recovering the ball, a few half chances, but also leaving spaces at the back. Still 2-0

    Messi embarrasses the highly rated Gvardiol on the touchline and lays it on a plater for Alvarez for the easiest of tap-ins. 3-0, game over.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to vedran on Tue Dec 13 12:22:07 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:06:51 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
    On 13.12.2022. 21:02, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:58:59 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:

    Not sure about refereeing, but you have to play (much) better than this
    for the final.

    Croatia was the much better team until the Argentinian goal. I know I am provoking the weaufx Gods, but I think this match is not over yet.
    Maybe, but what's possession without proper chances.
    It is speculated some players who are not 100% fit are playing, Sosa first, he is subbed out now.
    Reminds me of Subasic 4 years ago.

    60' Croatia trying to be more aggressive in recovering the ball, a few half chances, but also leaving spaces at the back. Still 2-0

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 12:34:45 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:32:34 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:06:51 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
    On 13.12.2022. 21:02, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:58:59 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:

    Not sure about refereeing, but you have to play (much) better than this
    for the final.

    Croatia was the much better team until the Argentinian goal. I know I am provoking the weaufx Gods, but I think this match is not over yet.
    Maybe, but what's possession without proper chances.
    It is speculated some players who are not 100% fit are playing, Sosa first,
    he is subbed out now.
    Reminds me of Subasic 4 years ago.
    60' Croatia trying to be more aggressive in recovering the ball, a few half chances, but also leaving spaces at the back. Still 2-0
    Messi embarrasses the highly rated Gvardiol on the touchline and lays it on a plater for Alvarez for the easiest of tap-ins. 3-0, game over.

    Now Dybala gets some minutes. Nice of Scaloni

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Tue Dec 13 12:49:59 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:43:33 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    Slightly lucky bounces, it has to be admitted.
    In hockey they would call that 'crashing the net'.

    Telemundo team now compared Alvarez's goal to Kempes's second (?) goal against Netherlands in the 1978 final. Good catch

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to vedran on Tue Dec 13 13:01:12 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:54:30 PM UTC-6, vedran wrote:
    On 13.12.2022. 21:32, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Messi embarrasses the highly rated Gvardiol on the touchline and lays it on a plater for Alvarez for the easiest of tap-ins. 3-0, game over.
    Full revenge for Russia 2018, but let's try to look at this is in a
    positive way, at least there is no Argentina (or France) in the Nations League final.

    We would at least need Rebic for a match like this, but he was a bit
    critical towards Dalic, forcing Kramaric didn't really pay off,
    unless Dalic wanted people to mention Kramaric most of the time,
    not in a nice way.
    Kramaric was really shit... Croatia needs to get in some good forwards (and young players) if they wanna win WC 2026. Anyway great effort for a small nation to back up WC runner up with a semi-final appearance.

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 21:54:26 2022
    On 13.12.2022. 21:32, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Messi embarrasses the highly rated Gvardiol on the touchline and lays it on a plater for Alvarez for the easiest of tap-ins. 3-0, game over.


    Full revenge for Russia 2018, but let's try to look at this is in a
    positive way, at least there is no Argentina (or France) in the Nations
    League final.

    We would at least need Rebic for a match like this, but he was a bit
    critical towards Dalic, forcing Kramaric didn't really pay off,
    unless Dalic wanted people to mention Kramaric most of the time,
    not in a nice way.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Tue Dec 13 13:08:54 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:01:49 PM UTC, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:34:46 PM UTC-6, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:32:34 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:06:51 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
    On 13.12.2022. 21:02, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:58:59 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:

    Not sure about refereeing, but you have to play (much) better than this
    for the final.

    Croatia was the much better team until the Argentinian goal. I know I am provoking the weaufx Gods, but I think this match is not over yet.
    Maybe, but what's possession without proper chances.
    It is speculated some players who are not 100% fit are playing, Sosa first,
    he is subbed out now.
    Reminds me of Subasic 4 years ago.
    60' Croatia trying to be more aggressive in recovering the ball, a few half chances, but also leaving spaces at the back. Still 2-0
    Messi embarrasses the highly rated Gvardiol on the touchline and lays it on a plater for Alvarez for the easiest of tap-ins. 3-0, game over.
    Now Dybala gets some minutes. Nice of Scaloni
    And he didn't do shit with those few minutes :-) Alvarez is way better.


    In fairness Croatia did as much tonight as they did against Japan and Brazil, eg nothing. The only difference is their luck ran out tonight.

    The only other team I recall doing so little to get to a World Cup semi final is Morocco, which underlines what a poor World Cup Qatar 2022 has been.

    And to think we could have had an Argentina- Brazil semi final tonight...... :(


    RM

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Dec 13 13:01:47 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:34:46 PM UTC-6, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:32:34 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:06:51 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
    On 13.12.2022. 21:02, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:58:59 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:

    Not sure about refereeing, but you have to play (much) better than this
    for the final.

    Croatia was the much better team until the Argentinian goal. I know I am provoking the weaufx Gods, but I think this match is not over yet.
    Maybe, but what's possession without proper chances.
    It is speculated some players who are not 100% fit are playing, Sosa first,
    he is subbed out now.
    Reminds me of Subasic 4 years ago.
    60' Croatia trying to be more aggressive in recovering the ball, a few half chances, but also leaving spaces at the back. Still 2-0
    Messi embarrasses the highly rated Gvardiol on the touchline and lays it on a plater for Alvarez for the easiest of tap-ins. 3-0, game over.
    Now Dybala gets some minutes. Nice of Scaloni
    And he didn't do shit with those few minutes :-) Alvarez is way better.

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 22:13:32 2022
    Dans son message précédent, Real Mardin a écrit :

    The only other team I recall doing so little to get to a
    World Cup semi final is Morocco, which underlines what a poor
    World Cup Qatar 2022 has been.

    You were not born in 1990 (Argentina) and 1994 (Italia) ?

    --
    Ixion

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to ixion martin - GdBx on Tue Dec 13 13:52:57 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:13:34 PM UTC, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Dans son message précédent, Real Mardin a écrit :
    The only other team I recall doing so little to get to a
    World Cup semi final is Morocco, which underlines what a poor
    World Cup Qatar 2022 has been.
    You were not born in 1990 (Argentina) and 1994 (Italia) ?

    Argentina knocked out Brazil, a very talented Yugoslavia team and the hosts Italy (who had some of the best players in the World). Yes the latter two were on penalties but I think that's better than Croatia or Morocco have done.

    Italy got past a talented Nigeria side, Spain and the tournament surprise package Bulgaria. I do accept they rode their luck against Nigeria and had the benefit of some controversy against Spain, but I'm still seeing more there than Croatia and Morocco
    who basically just play for penalties.

    RM

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 23:58:16 2022
    LedZep IgaSwanTech avait écrit le 13/12/2022 :
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:52:59 PM UTC-6, Real
    Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:13:34 PM UTC, ixion
    martin - GdBx wrote:
    Dans son message précédent, Real Mardin a écrit :
    The only other team I recall doing so little to get to a
    World Cup semi final is Morocco, which underlines what a
    poor World Cup Qatar 2022 has been.
    You were not born in 1990 (Argentina) and 1994 (Italia) ?
    Argentina knocked out Brazil, a very talented Yugoslavia
    team and the hosts Italy (who had some of the best players
    in the World). Yes the latter two were on penalties but I
    think that's better than Croatia or Morocco have done.

    Italy got past a talented Nigeria side, Spain and the
    tournament surprise package Bulgaria. I do accept they rode
    their luck against Nigeria and had the benefit of some
    controversy against Spain, but I'm still seeing more there
    than Croatia and Morocco who basically just play for
    penalties.

    RM

    Good point

    I disagree (and do not have the message of Real Mardin).

    Argentina beats Brazil in 1990 on its only opportunity. They
    defend against Yougoslavia and play the most boring match of
    1990 with Italy (maybe except Egypt's ones).

    Italy in 1994 is worse. Croatia played tonight in first 30
    minutes more than both previous teams together.

    --
    Ixion

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  • From FF@21:1/5 to ixion martin - GdBx on Tue Dec 13 14:51:45 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:33:09 PM UTC+2, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    ixion martin - GdBx a présenté l'énoncé suivant :
    Le 13/12/2022, Futbolmetrix a supposé :
    Just launching the thread. Any juicy rumors from the two
    camps?

    At which minute Argentina will get a dubious penalty ?
    And the result is : 32 !

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    Ixion

    Agreed. Almost certainly shouldn't have been given. The keeper had an outstretched leg but was standing still and could have been easily avoided. There was no intention from him to foul, as far as it seemed, he had the leg stretched from before when he
    tried to block the ball. Besides, Argentina had already lost control of the ball and could get nothing out of that situation.
    It changed the game, before it Croatia had the initiative, even if not very dangerous in front of goal. Afterwards, of course they had to chase the equalizer and Argentina, unlike Brazil, made no mistakes and got the most out of it. (3rd goal and Messi's
    action at it were brilliant but this doesn't change the situation.)

    I'm sorry to say but it looks like even with the video ref, this tournament has also been ruined by the officiating.

    But, even if you won't admit it, France has also benefitted from wrong decisions. Maybe not as much as Argentina. If we get a France - Arg. final, both of them can be suspected to have been carried by FIFA.

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Tue Dec 13 14:54:30 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:52:59 PM UTC-6, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:13:34 PM UTC, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Dans son message précédent, Real Mardin a écrit :
    The only other team I recall doing so little to get to a
    World Cup semi final is Morocco, which underlines what a poor
    World Cup Qatar 2022 has been.
    You were not born in 1990 (Argentina) and 1994 (Italia) ?
    Argentina knocked out Brazil, a very talented Yugoslavia team and the hosts Italy (who had some of the best players in the World). Yes the latter two were on penalties but I think that's better than Croatia or Morocco have done.

    Italy got past a talented Nigeria side, Spain and the tournament surprise package Bulgaria. I do accept they rode their luck against Nigeria and had the benefit of some controversy against Spain, but I'm still seeing more there than Croatia and Morocco
    who basically just play for penalties.

    RM

    Good point

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  • From FF@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Tue Dec 13 15:01:00 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:52:59 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:13:34 PM UTC, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Dans son message précédent, Real Mardin a écrit :
    The only other team I recall doing so little to get to a
    World Cup semi final is Morocco, which underlines what a poor
    World Cup Qatar 2022 has been.
    You were not born in 1990 (Argentina) and 1994 (Italia) ?
    Argentina knocked out Brazil, a very talented Yugoslavia team and the hosts Italy (who had some of the best players in the World). Yes the latter two were on penalties but I think that's better than Croatia or Morocco have done.

    Italy got past a talented Nigeria side, Spain and the tournament surprise package Bulgaria. I do accept they rode their luck against Nigeria and had the benefit of some controversy against Spain, but I'm still seeing more there than Croatia and Morocco
    who basically just play for penalties.

    RM

    Croatia didn't play for penalties against Argentina. On the contrary, they had the initiative before the goal that was clearly undeserved IMO. Against Brazil yes, but what were they to do ? It was Brazil, they came strongly on them from the start, not
    much choice but to sit back and defend and play the counter every time they could. Which they did. Likewise Morocco vs. Portugal. Morocco countered pretty well when they had the chance, which brought them the goal and a few other chances they shouldn't
    have missed.

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 00:04:44 2022
    FF avait énoncé :

    But, even if you won't admit it, France has also benefitted
    from wrong decisions.

    Which one(s) ? You think to the foul on Kane outside the
    penalty area in first half ?


    Maybe not as much as Argentina. If we get a France - Arg.
    final, both of them can be suspected to have been carried by
    FIFA.

    France did not have any penalty, conceided three, was robbed
    against Tunisia and one-sided refereed against us versus
    Poland. Even the game versus England where some people whine
    about refereeing, England had to penalty and did not score in
    the game.

    You can point some decisions in France's games (sure they
    exist), but to say that one can suspect us to have been carried
    by FIFA looks to me a little bit exagerated.

    By the way, some people still say that the Perisic's hand in
    2018 final was not deliberate so, after all, why not ?

    --
    Ixion

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  • From FF@21:1/5 to ixion martin - GdBx on Tue Dec 13 15:14:01 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:04:46 AM UTC+2, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    FF avait énoncé :
    But, even if you won't admit it, France has also benefitted
    from wrong decisions.
    Which one(s) ? You think to the foul on Kane outside the
    penalty area in first half ?

    Yes. As I said I think it started outside and ended inside the box. I'm not 100% sure and I'd like to watch it again but it looks like nowadays these videos can't be found on youtube any more. Truth be told, I don't have much time right now but maybe in
    a couple of days I'll try to look for it. If you can point me to it I'll watch it.

    Maybe not as much as Argentina. If we get a France - Arg.
    final, both of them can be suspected to have been carried by
    FIFA.
    France did not have any penalty, conceided three, was robbed
    against Tunisia and one-sided refereed against us versus
    Poland. Even the game versus England where some people whine
    about refereeing, England had to penalty and did not score in
    the game.

    You can point some decisions in France's games (sure they
    exist), but to say that one can suspect us to have been carried
    by FIFA looks to me a little bit exagerated.

    Come on. Tunisia and the group don't matter, France got where they needed to be. The game vs. England matters. Anyway, I wasn't saying I suspect France to have been carried, just that they can be suspected to have been carried (almost) as much as
    Argentina. I don't suspect any of them, just poor ref decisions. And I already said I think France would have won anyway (but it's far from sure).

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 00:07:50 2022
    FF a présenté l'énoncé suivant :
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:52:59 PM UTC+2, Real
    Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:13:34 PM UTC, ixion
    martin - GdBx wrote:
    Dans son message précédent, Real Mardin a écrit :
    The only other team I recall doing so little to get to a
    World Cup semi final is Morocco, which underlines what a
    poor World Cup Qatar 2022 has been.
    You were not born in 1990 (Argentina) and 1994 (Italia) ?
    Argentina knocked out Brazil, a very talented Yugoslavia
    team and the hosts Italy (who had some of the best players
    in the World). Yes the latter two were on penalties but I
    think that's better than Croatia or Morocco have done.

    Italy got past a talented Nigeria side, Spain and the
    tournament surprise package Bulgaria. I do accept they rode
    their luck against Nigeria and had the benefit of some
    controversy against Spain, but I'm still seeing more there
    than Croatia and Morocco who basically just play for
    penalties.

    Croatia didn't play for penalties against Argentina. On the
    contrary, they had the initiative before the goal that was
    clearly undeserved IMO. Against Brazil yes, but what were
    they to do ? It was Brazil, they came strongly on them from
    the start, not much choice but to sit back and defend and
    play the counter every time they could. Which they did.
    Likewise Morocco vs. Portugal. Morocco countered pretty well
    when they had the chance, which brought them the goal and a
    few other chances they shouldn't have missed.

    Croatia does not chose to "not play", they play when they can
    and suffer when the opponent is, on the paper, stronger than
    them and shows it in the field.

    Wales, for instance, would play with 5 defenders, 4 midfielders
    and one striker even versus San Marino (yes, i exagerate, but
    that's the idea :)).

    --
    Ixion

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 21:13:05 2022
    Em terça-feira, 13 de dezembro de 2022 às 16:05:14 UTC-3, Real Mardin escreveu:
    The light shirt / dark shirt directive strikes again - Croatia not wearing their famous red and white checked shirts but instead a navy away kit.


    Croatia's home kits are cool, but the away ones are a beauty. This one is almost as good as their 2018 away strip.

    I guess that, whoever advances from the other semifinal, there's no reason
    to adopt this directive again in the final, right? I hope to see both sides with
    their home kits in the big game.


    Best regards,

    Lléo

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 21:54:11 2022
    Em terça-feira, 13 de dezembro de 2022 às 18:08:56 UTC-3, Real Mardin escreveu:
    In fairness Croatia did as much tonight as they did against Japan and
    Brazil, eg nothing. The only difference is their luck ran out tonight.

    The only other team I recall doing so little to get to a World Cup semi
    final is Morocco, which underlines what a poor World Cup Qatar 2022 has
    been.

    And to think we could have had an Argentina- Brazil semi final tonight...... :(


    Yeah, tell me about it. Of course, in their infinite wisdom, Brasil had to have seven men upfront four minutes from time while holding to an 1-0 win... Fred, brought on to close the midfield, all the way down the right wing... It'll take a long while to live that one down.

    But given what we've seen from both sides in the last couple of weeks, I think Argentina would probably beat Brasil too. They seem hungrier, they are the more well-coached unit and, of course, they have Messi. Plus, they seem to be playing
    at home, full credit to their fans for making these FIFA standard stadia look like La Bombonera. I think it would be a close contest, but they'd have the edges
    that actually matter.

    Argentina goes with high morale into the final. They don't look anything like the team that lost to Saudi Arabia in their opener. Back then I wondered how they'd take that blow and whether that would affect their confidence, but also said they were good enough to turn things around. They did, which is a credit to their leadership on and off the pitch (ie, Messi and Scaloni).

    Well, three games to go now (yeah, I intend to watch the 3rd place playoff too, it's often an entertaining game).


    Best regards,

    Lléo

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  • From FF@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 01:05:27 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:14:03 AM UTC+2, FF wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:04:46 AM UTC+2, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    FF avait énoncé :
    But, even if you won't admit it, France has also benefitted
    from wrong decisions.
    Which one(s) ? You think to the foul on Kane outside the
    penalty area in first half ?
    Yes. As I said I think it started outside and ended inside the box. I'm not 100% sure and I'd like to watch it again but it looks like nowadays these videos can't be found on youtube any more. Truth be told, I don't have much time right now but maybe
    in a couple of days I'll try to look for it. If you can point me to it I'll watch it.

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4830849/why-englands-harry-kane-didnt-get-a-var-penalty-vs-france

    (scroll down a bit)
    I'd say this photo pretty clearly shows that the actual contact point was inside the box. If you look at it, Kane's foot is just a few inches to the edge, and given the position of the leg the contact clearly was inside.

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Dec 14 13:11:42 2022
    On 14.12.2022. 12:30, Ion Saliu wrote:


    Don’t be sad! You got that slivovitz to successfully treat your condition.

    I'm not really, I have never seen our team so inept in attack, it
    wasn't realistic to scrape through on penalties once again.
    There will always be something, I got used to it.

    Argentina was successful now, in 2022… unlike in 2018 Russia. But in 2022, as in 1994, Argentina was gifted 2 penalty kicks — undeservingly, by many accounts. Neither referee decision was legitimate, in my opinion.

    Will have to check the other penalties, but I assume you mean the
    one against Poland and this one.

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Dec 14 12:17:54 2022
    On 13.12.2022. 20:43, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    I actually don't know what that the LOTG say in these circumstances. Alvarez tries to chip the goalkeeper in what is clearly a shot, then the Livakovic barges into him.


    Experts here are divided, probably most say it was, interesting, ITV
    ones wouldn't give it

    Gary Neville: "There is no way that is a penalty."
    Ian Wright: "They didn't even check the VAR. I have no idea why. It's
    not a penalty."
    Roy Keane: "I agree with the lads, that's not a penalty for me."

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to vedran on Wed Dec 14 03:30:58 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:17:58 PM UTC+2, vedran wrote:
    On 13.12.2022. 20:43, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    I actually don't know what that the LOTG say in these circumstances. Alvarez tries to chip the goalkeeper in what is clearly a shot, then the Livakovic barges into him.
    Experts here are divided, probably most say it was, interesting, ITV
    ones wouldn't give it

    Gary Neville: "There is no way that is a penalty."
    Ian Wright: "They didn't even check the VAR. I have no idea why. It's
    not a penalty."
    Roy Keane: "I agree with the lads, that's not a penalty for me."

    Veditser:

    Don’t be sad! You got that slivovitz to successfully treat your condition.

    The match that hurt you reminds me of the 1994 World Cup USA. In 2022, Argentina played exactly like Romania in 1994. “Let the opponents have the possession and leave their back vulnerable. We’ll strike hard in counterattacks.”

    Argentina was successful now, in 2022… unlike in 2018 Russia. But in 2022, as in 1994, Argentina was gifted 2 penalty kicks — undeservingly, by many accounts. Neither referee decision was legitimate, in my opinion. And I am the founder of
    Mathematical Axiomaticism:

    • “The truth is above anybody and anything.”
    • https://saliu.com/axiomatic.html

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to vedran on Wed Dec 14 04:42:54 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 2:11:47 PM UTC+2, vedran wrote:
    On 14.12.2022. 12:30, Ion Saliu wrote:


    Don’t be sad! You got that slivovitz to successfully treat your condition.
    I'm not really, I have never seen our team so inept in attack, it
    wasn't realistic to scrape through on penalties once again.
    There will always be something, I got used to it.
    Argentina was successful now, in 2022… unlike in 2018 Russia. But in 2022, as in 1994, Argentina was gifted 2 penalty kicks — undeservingly, by many accounts. Neither referee decision was legitimate, in my opinion.
    Will have to check the other penalties, but I assume you mean the
    one against Poland and this one.

    I meant the 1994 match Argentina – Romania. The Argentines received a penalty doubted then by some American TV commentators.

    Still in 2022, the first penalty in favor of Argentina was decided in the Saudi Arabia match. Some pundits voiced doubts about that decision. The English had a much clearer situation against Iran — but England did NOT get the penalty!

    In which one was “judge” that oily-hairy krook, Mekelie (don’t really care spelling)??? Krooked FIFA and UEFA…

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to vedran on Wed Dec 14 04:46:58 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 12:17:58 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 13.12.2022. 20:43, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    I actually don't know what that the LOTG say in these circumstances. Alvarez tries to chip the goalkeeper in what is clearly
    a shot, then the Livakovic barges into him.

    Experts here are divided, probably most say it was, interesting, ITV
    ones wouldn't give it

    Gary Neville: "There is no way that is a penalty."
    Ian Wright: "They didn't even check the VAR. I have no idea why. It's
    not a penalty."
    Roy Keane: "I agree with the lads, that's not a penalty for me."

    Truth be told, those three are not exactly my go-to guys for proper analysis. Why would Wright say that they didn't check the VAR? That's 100% not true.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Dec 14 06:14:19 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 2:47:01 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 12:17:58 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 13.12.2022. 20:43, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    And you honestly think it was dubious?!

    I actually don't know what that the LOTG say in these circumstances. Alvarez tries to chip the goalkeeper in what is clearly
    a shot, then the Livakovic barges into him.

    Experts here are divided, probably most say it was, interesting, ITV
    ones wouldn't give it

    Gary Neville: "There is no way that is a penalty."
    Ian Wright: "They didn't even check the VAR. I have no idea why. It's
    not a penalty."
    Roy Keane: "I agree with the lads, that's not a penalty for me."

    Truth be told, those three are not exactly my go-to guys for proper analysis.
    Trust no one but yourself.

    Why would Wright say that they didn't check the VAR? That's 100% not true.
    Many people, including “experts”, have the wrong impression that VAR can ALWAYS override the referee. NOT!! Only the software that determines the offside position EXACTLY can overturn the referee in scoring situations. In potential-penalty situations,
    the referee may or may not “accept” a VAR “advice” to review the play.

    In American football (NFL) “the booth” request for a review is always mandatory. Still, the referee will say over the PA system: “After further review, there was no irrefutable evidence to overturn the call on the field”.


    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Dec 14 17:38:25 2022
    On 14.12.2022. 13:46, Werner Pichler wrote:

    Truth be told, those three are not exactly my go-to guys for proper analysis. Why would Wright say that they didn't check the VAR? That's 100% not true.

    They said this on HT, but I went to check what their refereeing expert
    Peter Walton said right
    after the situation:
    "goalkeeper is far too late and impedes the progress of the forward"

    also for the card, it's only yellow because goalkeeper attempts to play
    the ball,
    otherwise it would be a red card for denial.

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