• Brazil v. Croatia (spoilers)

    From KaiserD2@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 10:49:40 2022
    Quite a first half. For the Croatians playing with Modric reminds me
    of how the Celtics described playing with Larry Bird. If you are
    upfield from him and find some space, he will put the ball right on
    your foot. The Croatians have played Brazil just as even as they
    played the French in the first half four years ago--up until the bad
    penalty call. Fortunately we didn't have one of those.

    David K

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  • From Jesus Petry@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 09:54:29 2022
    Congratulations to brilliant Croatia!
    I'm rooting for you from now on!

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry

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  • From Jesper Lauridsen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 09:52:48 2022
    You're not dancing anymore.

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to ixion martin - GdBx on Fri Dec 9 10:51:20 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 7:49:36 PM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    KaiserD2 a formulé la demande :
    The Croatians have
    played Brazil just as even as they played the French in the
    first half four years ago--up until the bad penalty call.

    Which bad penalty call ?

    It was the correct call, according to the rules at the time.

    But be perfectly honest with yourself: would you have taken the exact same call in good grace if it had gone against France?

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 19:49:33 2022
    KaiserD2 a formulé la demande :

    The Croatians have
    played Brazil just as even as they played the French in the
    first half four years ago--up until the bad penalty call.

    Which bad penalty call ?

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 22:51:10 2022
    Werner Pichler avait soumis l'idée :
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 7:49:36 PM UTC+1, ixion martin
    - GdBx wrote:
    KaiserD2 a formulé la demande :
    The Croatians have
    played Brazil just as even as they played the French in the
    first half four years ago--up until the bad penalty call.

    Which bad penalty call ?

    It was the correct call, according to the rules at the time.

    But be perfectly honest with yourself: would you have taken
    the exact same call in good grace if it had gone against
    France?

    To be honest with myself, I would have taken the exact same
    call in good grace if it had gone against any team except
    France ;).

    More seriously, if you consider it is a bad call, you don't
    give any penalty for handball.

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to ixion martin - GdBx on Fri Dec 9 15:27:27 2022
    On 2022-12-09 14:51, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Werner Pichler avait soumis l'idée :
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 7:49:36 PM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx
    wrote:
    KaiserD2 a formulé la demande :
    The Croatians have played Brazil just as even as they played the
    French in the first half four years ago--up until the bad penalty call. >>>
    Which bad penalty call ?

    It was the correct call, according to the rules at the time.

    But be perfectly honest with yourself: would you have taken the exact
    same call in good grace if it had gone against France?

    To be honest with myself, I would have taken the exact same call in good grace if it had gone against any team except France ;).

    More seriously, if you consider it is a bad call, you don't give any
    penalty for handball.


    Come on ! You don't actually think this inadvertent handball is
    equivalent to a blatant act of goalkeeping like Suarez in 2010*, do you ?

    I accept that this is a penalty the way the game is now refereed, but it certainly would not have been in the past (the law said "deliberately
    handles the ball").

    * I also don't think the opprobrium heaped on Suarez was at all
    justified. He did what professionals do - took an action that gave his
    team a chance to win. [Quite apart from the fact that play should have
    been stopped before that for various fouls, offsides etc. as many have
    argued, notably Bruce on this group)_. This is no more "cheating" or reprehensible than any other deliberate foul (like shirt pulling,
    holding, body checking...)

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 15:32:47 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:27:30 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:51, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Werner Pichler avait soumis l'idée :
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 7:49:36 PM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx
    wrote:
    KaiserD2 a formulé la demande :
    The Croatians have played Brazil just as even as they played the
    French in the first half four years ago--up until the bad penalty call. >>>
    Which bad penalty call ?

    It was the correct call, according to the rules at the time.

    But be perfectly honest with yourself: would you have taken the exact
    same call in good grace if it had gone against France?

    To be honest with myself, I would have taken the exact same call in good grace if it had gone against any team except France ;).

    More seriously, if you consider it is a bad call, you don't give any penalty for handball.

    Come on ! You don't actually think this inadvertent handball is
    equivalent to a blatant act of goalkeeping like Suarez in 2010*, do you ?

    I accept that this is a penalty the way the game is now refereed, but it certainly would not have been in the past (the law said "deliberately handles the ball").

    * I also don't think the opprobrium heaped on Suarez was at all
    justified. He did what professionals do - took an action that gave his
    team a chance to win. [Quite apart from the fact that play should have
    been stopped before that for various fouls, offsides etc. as many have argued, notably Bruce on this group)_. This is no more "cheating" or reprehensible than any other deliberate foul (like shirt pulling,
    holding, body checking...)

    IIRC Bruce repeatedly made the point that the free-kick that led to the whole chaos had been awarded for
    a very soft foul (or rather, a dive).

    Personally, I've numerous times come to defend the fact that if VAR had been a thing back then the whole
    situation would have been called off for a clear Ghanaian offside, and Suárez would never have become
    the villain for an entire continent, and would have been able to enjoy playing in a World Cup semifinal as
    career highlight.
    (or, perhaps, without the psychological baggage Ghana would have won the shoot-out in that case)

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 10 00:47:49 2022
    MH avait énoncé :
    On 2022-12-09 14:51, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Werner Pichler avait soumis l'idée :
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 7:49:36 PM UTC+1, ixion
    martin - GdBx wrote:
    KaiserD2 a formulé la demande :
    The Croatians have played Brazil just as even as they
    played the French in the first half four years ago--up
    until the bad penalty call.

    Which bad penalty call ?

    It was the correct call, according to the rules at the
    time.

    But be perfectly honest with yourself: would you have
    taken the exact same call in good grace if it had gone
    against France?

    To be honest with myself, I would have taken the exact same
    call in good grace if it had gone against any team except
    France ;).

    More seriously, if you consider it is a bad call, you don't
    give any penalty for handball.


    Come on ! You don't actually think this inadvertent handball
    is equivalent to a blatant act of goalkeeping like Suarez in
    2010*, do you ?

    I accept that this is a penalty the way the game is now
    refereed, but it certainly would not have been in the past
    (the law said "deliberately handles the ball").

    Come on ! You don't actually think that Perisic's hand was an
    inadvertent handball ? He moved his hand to the ball in a not
    natural move. For more deliberate handball, it is Suarez versus
    Ghana (or Henry versus Ireland).

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  • From KaiserD2@21:1/5 to ixion@martin.invalid on Sun Dec 11 12:06:14 2022
    On Fri, 09 Dec 2022 19:49:33 +0100, ixion martin - GdBx
    <ixion@martin.invalid> wrote:

    KaiserD2 a formulé la demande :

    The Croatians have
    played Brazil just as even as they played the French in the
    first half four years ago--up until the bad penalty call.

    Which bad penalty call ?
    The obviously unintentional handball that gave the French the 2-1
    lead four years ago.

    David K

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 11 23:50:10 2022
    KaiserD2 a utilisé son clavier pour écrire :
    On Fri, 09 Dec 2022 19:49:33 +0100, ixion martin - GdBx <ixion@martin.invalid> wrote:

    KaiserD2 a formulé la demande :

    The Croatians have
    played Brazil just as even as they played the French in the
    first half four years ago--up until the bad penalty call.

    Which bad penalty call ?
    The obviously unintentional handball that gave the French
    the 2-1 lead four years ago.

    Ah ah ah...
    More intentional than this handball, that is Suarez versus
    Ghana (or Henry versus island).

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