• WC 2022 Day 11: TUN-FRA, AUS-DEN, POL-ARG, KSA-MEX

    From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 30 08:11:30 2022
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 08:15:51 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.

    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 08:19:46 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Ciao,
    Werner

    Denmark still needs only one goal to qualify.
    Leckie! Now Denmark need 2!

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 08:22:57 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...


    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the Danish U19

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 09:12:04 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:59:44 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the Danish U19

    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to both throw men forward.

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark. To add insult to injury, Griezmann scores in the 98th minute to deny Tunisia a historic win (or maybe not? VAR stepping in? Ruled offside!

    Personally I'm not a fan of the idea of excessively resting players in a meaningless last
    group match, I believe in a tournament like a World Cup or Euro it's more important to stay
    in the 'flow'. I seem to remember more instances where an approach like France's failed
    than when it succeeded, but that well might be biased.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 08:32:38 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the Danish U19

    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to both throw men forward.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 08:59:42 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the Danish U19
    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to both throw men forward.

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark. To add insult to injury, Griezmann scores in the 98th minute to deny Tunisia a historic win (or maybe not? VAR stepping in? Ruled offside!

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 09:47:15 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:12:06 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:59:44 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the Danish U19

    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to both throw men forward.

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark. To add insult to injury, Griezmann scores in the 98th minute to deny Tunisia a historic win (or maybe not? VAR stepping in? Ruled offside!
    Personally I'm not a fan of the idea of excessively resting players in a meaningless last
    group match, I believe in a tournament like a World Cup or Euro it's more important to stay
    in the 'flow'. I seem to remember more instances where an approach like France's failed
    than when it succeeded, but that well might be biased.

    Jurgen Klopp would agree with you. He always says that players need rhythm, and hence too much rest is disruptive.

    Meanwhile, congrats to the Aussies. They are always likable (maybe it's that accent).

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 10:34:10 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:59:44 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the Danish U19
    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to both throw men forward.
    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark. To add insult to injury, Griezmann scores in the 98th minute to deny Tunisia a historic win (or maybe not? VAR stepping in? Ruled offside!

    I have to admit I didn’t see that coming.

    Did anyone pick Denmark for their Eurocrotto entry?


    RM

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to vedran on Wed Nov 30 10:56:37 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:41:27 PM UTC, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 17:59, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark
    True, this can only be explained with another sex scandal, everyone has
    it these days, Serbia, Herdman...

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....


    RM

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 11:58:51 2022
    On 2022-11-30 10:12, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:59:44 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>>>>> HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the Danish U19

    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to both throw men forward.

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark. To add insult to injury, Griezmann scores in the 98th minute to deny Tunisia a historic win (or maybe not? VAR stepping in? Ruled offside!

    Personally I'm not a fan of the idea of excessively resting players in a meaningless last
    group match, I believe in a tournament like a World Cup or Euro it's more important to stay
    in the 'flow'. I seem to remember more instances where an approach like France's failed
    than when it succeeded, but that well might be biased.

    France did it in 1998, and it ultimately did not cost them , though
    their performance in the next two matches was pretty blah, and they
    could easily have lost either.

    Belgium did it in 2018, but they were playing England who, to a large
    extent, did the same thing. They won that game, but one could argue
    that their rhythm was broken, because they played quite poorly for most
    of the game vs. Japan, and very nearly came a cropper.

    I don't recall any teams doing this to a significant extent back in
    1982, 86 or 90. Of course, three points for a win makes it far more
    likely that teams would go into the final game having qualified, I
    guess. (And head-to-head, which thankfully FIFA does not use, means
    that group winners are far more likely to be clear after two games).





    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 30 11:07:35 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:58:55 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 10:12, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:59:44 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the Danish U19

    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to both throw men forward.

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark. To add insult to injury, Griezmann scores in the 98th minute to deny Tunisia a historic win (or maybe not? VAR stepping in? Ruled offside!

    Personally I'm not a fan of the idea of excessively resting players in a meaningless last
    group match, I believe in a tournament like a World Cup or Euro it's more important to stay
    in the 'flow'. I seem to remember more instances where an approach like France's failed
    than when it succeeded, but that well might be biased.
    France did it in 1998, and it ultimately did not cost them , though
    their performance in the next two matches was pretty blah, and they
    could easily have lost either.

    Belgium did it in 2018, but they were playing England who, to a large
    extent, did the same thing. They won that game, but one could argue
    that their rhythm was broken, because they played quite poorly for most
    of the game vs. Japan, and very nearly came a cropper.

    I don't recall any teams doing this to a significant extent back in
    1982, 86 or 90. Of course, three points for a win makes it far more
    likely that teams would go into the final game having qualified, I
    guess. (And head-to-head, which thankfully FIFA does not use, means
    that group winners are far more likely to be clear after two games).

    I seem to remember the Netherlands doing it excessively in Euro 2008, and
    they then unceremoniously went out against Russia.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 30 11:07:45 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:58:55 PM UTC, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 10:12, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:59:44 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the Danish U19

    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to both throw men forward.

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark. To add insult to injury, Griezmann scores in the 98th minute to deny Tunisia a historic win (or maybe not? VAR stepping in? Ruled offside!

    Personally I'm not a fan of the idea of excessively resting players in a meaningless last
    group match, I believe in a tournament like a World Cup or Euro it's more important to stay
    in the 'flow'. I seem to remember more instances where an approach like France's failed
    than when it succeeded, but that well might be biased.
    France did it in 1998, and it ultimately did not cost them , though
    their performance in the next two matches was pretty blah, and they
    could easily have lost either.

    Belgium did it in 2018, but they were playing England who, to a large extent, did the same thing. They won that game, but one could argue
    that their rhythm was broken, because they played quite poorly for most
    of the game vs. Japan, and very nearly came a cropper.

    I don't recall any teams doing this to a significant extent back in
    1982, 86 or 90. Of course, three points for a win makes it far more
    likely that teams would go into the final game having qualified, I
    guess. (And head-to-head, which thankfully FIFA does not use, means
    that group winners are far more likely to be clear after two games).


    I think that strategy has backfired for some teams but more in the Euros not the World Cup. Croatia rings a bell, as does Portugal, but I’m struggling to remember the year,.


    RM




    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Wed Nov 30 11:09:16 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:07:47 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:58:55 PM UTC, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 10:12, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:59:44 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the Danish U19

    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to both throw men forward.

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark. To add insult to injury, Griezmann scores in the 98th minute to deny Tunisia a historic win (or maybe not? VAR stepping in? Ruled offside!

    Personally I'm not a fan of the idea of excessively resting players in a meaningless last
    group match, I believe in a tournament like a World Cup or Euro it's more important to stay
    in the 'flow'. I seem to remember more instances where an approach like France's failed
    than when it succeeded, but that well might be biased.
    France did it in 1998, and it ultimately did not cost them , though
    their performance in the next two matches was pretty blah, and they
    could easily have lost either.

    Belgium did it in 2018, but they were playing England who, to a large extent, did the same thing. They won that game, but one could argue
    that their rhythm was broken, because they played quite poorly for most
    of the game vs. Japan, and very nearly came a cropper.

    I don't recall any teams doing this to a significant extent back in
    1982, 86 or 90. Of course, three points for a win makes it far more
    likely that teams would go into the final game having qualified, I
    guess. (And head-to-head, which thankfully FIFA does not use, means
    that group winners are far more likely to be clear after two games).

    I think that strategy has backfired for some teams but more in the Euros not the World Cup. Croatia rings a bell, as does Portugal, but I’m struggling to remember the year,.

    Yeah, as Michael correctly pointed out, it's more likely to occur in the Euros because of head-to-head.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 19:41:23 2022
    On 30.11.2022. 17:59, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark


    True, this can only be explained with another sex scandal, everyone has
    it these days, Serbia, Herdman...

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  • From Binder Dundat@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 11:57:57 2022
    As great aw Messi is, he seems to miss a lot of Penals.

    No need to bother with any more matches, Brazil has won this Cup.


    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:46:00 p.m. UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.
    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Wed Nov 30 20:43:47 2022
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....


    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to vedran on Wed Nov 30 11:45:58 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Wed Nov 30 20:16:55 2022
    On 30.11.2022. 20:07, Real Mardin wrote:

    I think that strategy has backfired for some teams but more in the Euros not the World Cup. Croatia rings a bell, as does Portugal, but I’m struggling to remember the year,.


    We do it regularly, if it backfires, it has more to do with strength
    of opponents. We can't afford to do it tomorrow, so Modric will be
    more spent for R16 if we qualify.

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 21:31:05 2022
    On 30.11.2022. 21:27, Werner Pichler wrote:

    I guess we're back to counting yellows?


    Unnecessary, we all know Mexico loses to France in R16.

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 12:27:57 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.

    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 12:33:58 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:27:59 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.
    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    Ciao,
    Werner

    If Eurocrotto Poland advance due less yellow cards it would be a travesty. Come on Argentina and Mexico, score another goal!


    RM

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 12:35:02 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:59 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.
    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 12:37:48 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:35:58 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:59 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.

    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    What is the yellow count so far?

    Mexico 7, Poland 4

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 12:38:42 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:37:49 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:35:58 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:59 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.

    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    What is the yellow count so far?

    Mexico 7, Poland 4

    Poland 5, Krychowiak sees one

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 12:41:28 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:38:44 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:37:49 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:35:58 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:59 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.

    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    What is the yellow count so far?

    Mexico 7, Poland 4
    Poland 5, Krychowiak sees one


    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 12:50:42 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:41:29 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:38:44 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:37:49 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:35:58 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:59 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.

    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    What is the yellow count so far?

    Mexico 7, Poland 4
    Poland 5, Krychowiak sees one

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?

    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 13:06:05 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.

    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)

    Are Mexico the biggest underachievers in international football?

    130 million population, absolutely football mad nation, have money to invest in the sport, and have a history and tradition in the sport. Basically all the ingredients to be a global powerhouse, but never even made a WC semifinal.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 13:03:19 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.


    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to alka...@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 30 13:17:41 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:06:07 PM UTC, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.

    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)
    Are Mexico the biggest underachievers in international football?

    130 million population, absolutely football mad nation, have money to invest in the sport, and have a history and tradition in the sport. Basically all the ingredients to be a global powerhouse, but never even made a WC semifinal.

    Certainly one of the bigger underachievers, but at least they regularly qualify. Turkey also has a large population and is no less football mad but has only qualified for the 1950, 1954 and 2002 World Cups. They didn’t even take up their berth in 1950
    as they couldn’t afford the travel to South America. Of course, qualifying from CONCACAF as opposed to UEFA no doubt helps Mexico in this regard.


    RM

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Wed Nov 30 13:22:54 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:34:00 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:27:59 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.
    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    Ciao,
    Werner
    If Eurocrotto Poland advance due less yellow cards it would be a travesty. Come on Argentina and Mexico, score another goal!


    RM

    Well it was on goal difference as opposed to yellow cards but it still feels like the wrong team went through. Mexico played all the exciting football tonight and Poland, just like in their previous games, did absolutely nothing. Mexico were a credit to
    CONCACAF tonight, Poland were a disgrace to UEFA.


    RM

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Wed Nov 30 13:33:52 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:22:56 PM UTC-6, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:34:00 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:27:59 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.
    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    Ciao,
    Werner
    If Eurocrotto Poland advance due less yellow cards it would be a travesty. Come on Argentina and Mexico, score another goal!


    RM
    Well it was on goal difference as opposed to yellow cards but it still feels like the wrong team went through. Mexico played all the exciting football tonight and Poland, just like in their previous games, did absolutely nothing. Mexico were a credit
    to CONCACAF tonight, Poland were a disgrace to UEFA.


    RM
    Yes... and so were Denmark... but at least Denmark got eliminated.

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Wed Nov 30 13:36:33 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:22:56 PM UTC-6, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:34:00 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:27:59 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.
    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    Ciao,
    Werner
    If Eurocrotto Poland advance due less yellow cards it would be a travesty. Come on Argentina and Mexico, score another goal!


    RM
    Well it was on goal difference as opposed to yellow cards but it still feels like the wrong team went through. Mexico played all the exciting football tonight and Poland, just like in their previous games, did absolutely nothing. Mexico were a credit
    to CONCACAF tonight, Poland were a disgrace to UEFA.


    RM
    But historically Mexico has been qualifying for the last 16 since 1994 and royally fucking it up... so Poland kinda deserve a chance (to fuck up in R16) considering they haven't qualified out of the group stage since 202.

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  • From HASM@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 30 13:39:14 2022
    Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that has qualified for the second
    round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to
    1966)

    Shouldn't that be back to 1970?

    In 1966 they didn't make it. Groups of four, only the first team advanced, Brazil placed third, after Pelé being whacked by PT's Vicente.

    My first wC, in glorious black and white. No VAR nor GLT on the England phantom goal.

    -- HASM

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 13:58:16 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:41:29 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:38:44 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:37:49 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:35:58 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:59 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:46:00 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:43:54 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 30.11.2022. 19:56, Real Mardin wrote:

    Argentina line up in the tunnel with an away kit that looks more like Anderlecht or Real Madrid away. Talk about not dressing for the occasion.....

    I fear Poland won't endure, but hats off to Szczesny for saving a pen.

    It's him alone against the Albiceleste right now. Not much help from his ten teammates.

    I guess we're back to counting yellows?

    What is the yellow count so far?

    Mexico 7, Poland 4
    Poland 5, Krychowiak sees one

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?

    I got the feeling that the one thing that didn't get through was that Saudi-Arabia scoring in stoppage time
    actually didn't change anything for Mexico - they still needed to net just one more goal to go through.
    Whereas everyone on El Tri appeared completely deflated after the Saudi scored.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to Al Kamista on Wed Nov 30 14:54:22 2022
    On 2022-11-30 14:06, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote: >>
    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone. >>>
    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)

    Are Mexico the biggest underachievers in international football?

    Surely China has to be up there?

    130 million population, absolutely football mad nation, have money to invest in the sport, and have a history and tradition in the sport.

    All true, but they do have socioeconomic and infrastructure issues to
    deal with as well. We spent a year there working and it was next to
    impossible to find a patch of grass to kick a ball around on. Kids are learning on very hard surfaces in small spaces, which certainly develops
    some skills, but neglects others and tactics. And historically they
    have had a substantial size distadvantage, though that seems to be less pronounced than in the past.



    Basically all the ingredients to be a global powerhouse, but never even
    made a WC semifinal.

    You could say the same for Nigeria, though, could you not? And possibly
    Russia and Egypt.

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 30 13:57:14 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:54:24 PM UTC-6, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 14:06, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.

    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)

    Are Mexico the biggest underachievers in international football?
    Surely China has to be up there?

    Not India? You can't just use population for this. India is mad about cricket not football... China is into table tennis, gymnastics etc.


    130 million population, absolutely football mad nation, have money to invest in the sport, and have a history and tradition in the sport.
    All true, but they do have socioeconomic and infrastructure issues to
    deal with as well. We spent a year there working and it was next to impossible to find a patch of grass to kick a ball around on. Kids are learning on very hard surfaces in small spaces, which certainly develops some skills, but neglects others and tactics. And historically they
    have had a substantial size distadvantage, though that seems to be less pronounced than in the past.
    Basically all the ingredients to be a global powerhouse, but never even
    made a WC semifinal.
    You could say the same for Nigeria, though, could you not? And possibly Russia and Egypt.

    Technically Russia made 4th place in 1966. So they don't count. Also QF just the last time!

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 30 14:09:43 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:54:24 PM UTC-6, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 14:06, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.

    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)

    Are Mexico the biggest underachievers in international football?
    Surely China has to be up there?

    130 million population, absolutely football mad nation, have money to invest in the sport, and have a history and tradition in the sport.
    All true, but they do have socioeconomic and infrastructure issues to
    deal with as well. We spent a year there working and it was next to impossible to find a patch of grass to kick a ball around on. Kids are learning on very hard surfaces in small spaces, which certainly develops some skills, but neglects others and tactics. And historically they
    have had a substantial size distadvantage, though that seems to be less pronounced than in the past.
    Basically all the ingredients to be a global powerhouse, but never even
    made a WC semifinal.
    You could say the same for Nigeria, though, could you not? And possibly Russia and Egypt.

    Top 10 most populated countries who have never made a World Cup Quarter final

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population

    1. China (played once - group stage)
    2. India
    4. Indonesia (played once - group stage)
    5. Pakistan
    6. Nigeria (round of 16 - thrice)
    8. Bangladesh
    11. Japan (round of 16 - thrice)
    12. Philippines
    13. Ethiopia
    14. Egypt (round of 16 - once in 1934)


    That list does not include Mexico since they made QF twice (1970, 1986)

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Wed Nov 30 14:24:13 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:09:45 PM UTC-5, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:

    1. China (played once - group stage)
    2. India
    4. Indonesia (played once - group stage)
    5. Pakistan
    6. Nigeria (round of 16 - thrice)
    8. Bangladesh
    11. Japan (round of 16 - thrice)
    12. Philippines
    13. Ethiopia
    14. Egypt (round of 16 - once in 1934)

    Interesting, but I would do things slightly differently. Footballing prowess is a function of population *and* GDP per capita. You need a large population to have a large talent pool, but you also need high income for good facilities, training, etc.

    In fact, it just so happens that I have done this analysis already. I'll spare you the gory details (multivariate regression analysis!), but this is the list of biggest underachievers based on my model (underachiever here is defined as the teams with the
    biggest negative gap between their predicted Elo rating and their actual Elo rating)


    +--------------------------------------+
    | country_elo resid0 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    1. | Philippines -784.3041 |
    2. | India -753.6055 |
    3. | Pakistan -748.3345 |
    4. | Sri Lanka -632.0927 |
    5. | Bangladesh -626.9282 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    6. | Brunei -567.6341 |
    7. | Macao -554.7639 |
    8. | Bhutan -543.0649 |
    9. | Puerto Rico -532.3944 |
    10. | Guam -530.697 |


    Now, say that we want to add variable to our model that captures how "football mad" a country is. We could proxy it, very coarsely, with the country's confederation (notice that all the above are AFC countries).

    Based on this modified model, the biggest underachievers are:

    +--------------------------------------+
    | country_elo resid1 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    1. | Puerto Rico -493.7522 |
    2. | Philippines -480.3142 |
    3. | US Virgin Islands -455.3375 |
    4. | Pakistan -454.0746 |
    5. | India -429.8603 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    6. | Luxembourg -389.6763 |
    7. | Eastern Samoa -372.675 |
    8. | Dominican Republic -369.425 |
    9. | Bahamas -369.2906 |
    10. | Sri Lanka -338.5711 |








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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 30 14:15:27 2022
    Werner Pichler escreveu:
    I got the feeling that the one thing that didn't get through was that Saudi-Arabia scoring in stoppage time
    actually didn't change anything for Mexico - they still needed to net just one more goal to go through.
    Whereas everyone on El Tri appeared completely deflated after the Saudi scored.


    I got the same feeling too. It looked like only Gerardo Martino was aware of that, and Mexico missed
    some scarce and precious seconds while he was trying to get it through to the players.


    Best regards,

    Lléo

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 30 14:28:17 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:24:15 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:09:45 PM UTC-5, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:

    1. China (played once - group stage)
    2. India
    4. Indonesia (played once - group stage)
    5. Pakistan
    6. Nigeria (round of 16 - thrice)
    8. Bangladesh
    11. Japan (round of 16 - thrice)
    12. Philippines
    13. Ethiopia
    14. Egypt (round of 16 - once in 1934)
    Interesting, but I would do things slightly differently. Footballing prowess is a function of population *and* GDP per capita. You need a large population to have a large talent pool, but you also need high income for good facilities, training, etc.

    In fact, it just so happens that I have done this analysis already. I'll spare you the gory details (multivariate regression analysis!), but this is the list of biggest underachievers based on my model (underachiever here is defined as the teams with
    the biggest negative gap between their predicted Elo rating and their actual Elo rating)


    +--------------------------------------+
    | country_elo resid0 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    1. | Philippines -784.3041 |
    2. | India -753.6055 |
    3. | Pakistan -748.3345 |
    4. | Sri Lanka -632.0927 |
    5. | Bangladesh -626.9282 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    6. | Brunei -567.6341 |
    7. | Macao -554.7639 |
    8. | Bhutan -543.0649 |
    9. | Puerto Rico -532.3944 |
    10. | Guam -530.697 |

    Wait, Guam are *under*achievers? Didn't they beat India not that long ago? And are generally doing really well for an island in the middle of nowhere?

    Ciao,
    Werner


    Now, say that we want to add variable to our model that captures how "football mad" a country is. We could proxy it, very coarsely, with the country's confederation (notice that all the above are AFC countries).

    Based on this modified model, the biggest underachievers are:

    +--------------------------------------+
    | country_elo resid1 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    1. | Puerto Rico -493.7522 |
    2. | Philippines -480.3142 |
    3. | US Virgin Islands -455.3375 |
    4. | Pakistan -454.0746 |
    5. | India -429.8603 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    6. | Luxembourg -389.6763 |
    7. | Eastern Samoa -372.675 |
    8. | Dominican Republic -369.425 |
    9. | Bahamas -369.2906 |
    10. | Sri Lanka -338.5711 |

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 14:42:44 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:28:19 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    Wait, Guam are *under*achievers? Didn't they beat India not that long ago? And are generally doing really well for an island in the middle of nowhere?

    I should have said (but I wanted to spare you the gory details!) that this is based on average Elo ratings, population and GDP per capita between 1990 and 2016.

    Restricting the analysis to 2000-2016 and Guam drops out of the top-10 underachievers, but still a big underachiever (number 14). It's a place with high GDP per capita, they should not be as miserable as they are.

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Wed Nov 30 15:01:12 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:28:19 PM UTC-6, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:24:15 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:09:45 PM UTC-5, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:

    1. China (played once - group stage)
    2. India
    4. Indonesia (played once - group stage)
    5. Pakistan
    6. Nigeria (round of 16 - thrice)
    8. Bangladesh
    11. Japan (round of 16 - thrice)
    12. Philippines
    13. Ethiopia
    14. Egypt (round of 16 - once in 1934)
    Interesting, but I would do things slightly differently. Footballing prowess is a function of population *and* GDP per capita. You need a large population to have a large talent pool, but you also need high income for good facilities, training, etc.

    In fact, it just so happens that I have done this analysis already. I'll spare you the gory details (multivariate regression analysis!), but this is the list of biggest underachievers based on my model (underachiever here is defined as the teams with
    the biggest negative gap between their predicted Elo rating and their actual Elo rating)


    +--------------------------------------+
    | country_elo resid0 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    1. | Philippines -784.3041 |
    2. | India -753.6055 |
    3. | Pakistan -748.3345 |
    4. | Sri Lanka -632.0927 |
    5. | Bangladesh -626.9282 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    6. | Brunei -567.6341 |
    7. | Macao -554.7639 |
    8. | Bhutan -543.0649 |
    9. | Puerto Rico -532.3944 |
    10. | Guam -530.697 |
    Wait, Guam are *under*achievers? Didn't they beat India not that long ago? And are generally doing really well for an island in the middle of nowhere?

    Ciao,
    Werner

    Now, say that we want to add variable to our model that captures how "football mad" a country is. We could proxy it, very coarsely, with the country's confederation (notice that all the above are AFC countries).

    Based on this modified model, the biggest underachievers are:

    +--------------------------------------+
    | country_elo resid1 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    1. | Puerto Rico -493.7522 |
    2. | Philippines -480.3142 |
    3. | US Virgin Islands -455.3375 |
    4. | Pakistan -454.0746 |
    5. | India -429.8603 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    6. | Luxembourg -389.6763 |
    7. | Eastern Samoa -372.675 |
    8. | Dominican Republic -369.425 |
    9. | Bahamas -369.2906 |
    10. | Sri Lanka -338.5711 |
    Does Guam even have 11 people?

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Wed Nov 30 16:17:05 2022
    On 2022-11-30 14:57, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:54:24 PM UTC-6, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 14:06, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote: >>>>
    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.

    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)

    Are Mexico the biggest underachievers in international football?
    Surely China has to be up there?

    Not India? You can't just use population for this. India is mad about cricket not football... China is into table tennis, gymnastics etc.

    I could be wrong but it seems that China is much more enthusiastic about football than India is, and has developed a league with lots of money
    and some star imported players. Their women's program is fairly
    stronger (and was better in the past). And yet not even qualified (or
    close) since 2002, from one of the weaker confederations.


    130 million population, absolutely football mad nation, have money to invest in the sport, and have a history and tradition in the sport.
    All true, but they do have socioeconomic and infrastructure issues to
    deal with as well. We spent a year there working and it was next to
    impossible to find a patch of grass to kick a ball around on. Kids are
    learning on very hard surfaces in small spaces, which certainly develops
    some skills, but neglects others and tactics. And historically they
    have had a substantial size distadvantage, though that seems to be less
    pronounced than in the past.
    Basically all the ingredients to be a global powerhouse, but never even
    made a WC semifinal.
    You could say the same for Nigeria, though, could you not? And possibly
    Russia and Egypt.

    Technically Russia made 4th place in 1966.

    That was the Soviet Union, though.


    So they don't count. Also QF just the last time!

    QF in a WC they hosted is OK, but not great.

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to alka...@hotmail.com on Thu Dec 1 00:47:22 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:06:07 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.

    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that
    has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)

    Are Mexico the biggest underachievers in international football?

    130 million population, absolutely football mad nation, have money to invest in the sport, and have a history and tradition in
    the sport. Basically all the ingredients to be a global powerhouse, but never even made a WC semifinal.

    Somewhat related, is this the first time ever that you could reasonably argue that
    Mexico are below the US in practically every aspect of the game?

    The US have won the Gold Cup (beating Mexico in the final), the CONCACAF Nations
    League (beating Mexico in the final), the Sounders won the CONCACAF Champions League
    (beating UNAM in the final), and have now gone further in the World Cup.

    Just in the World Cup qualifiers the US finished below Mexico, but only due to an
    inconsequential loss on the last matchday.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Thu Dec 1 03:16:04 2022
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 8:47:23 AM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:06:07 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.

    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that
    has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)

    Are Mexico the biggest underachievers in international football?

    130 million population, absolutely football mad nation, have money to invest in the sport, and have a history and tradition in
    the sport. Basically all the ingredients to be a global powerhouse, but never even made a WC semifinal.
    Somewhat related, is this the first time ever that you could reasonably argue that
    Mexico are below the US in practically every aspect of the game?

    The US have won the Gold Cup (beating Mexico in the final), the CONCACAF Nations
    League (beating Mexico in the final), the Sounders won the CONCACAF Champions League
    (beating UNAM in the final), and have now gone further in the World Cup.

    Just in the World Cup qualifiers the US finished below Mexico, but only due to an
    inconsequential loss on the last matchday.

    Ciao,
    Werner

    To be fair playing Wales and Iran probably helped the USA (and no I don’t care how strong each of those supposedly is based on their ranking!).


    RM

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Thu Dec 1 04:16:18 2022
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:16:06 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 8:47:23 AM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:06:07 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.

    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that
    has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)

    Are Mexico the biggest underachievers in international football?

    130 million population, absolutely football mad nation, have money to invest in the sport, and have a history and tradition in
    the sport. Basically all the ingredients to be a global powerhouse, but never even made a WC semifinal.
    Somewhat related, is this the first time ever that you could reasonably argue that
    Mexico are below the US in practically every aspect of the game?

    The US have won the Gold Cup (beating Mexico in the final), the CONCACAF Nations
    League (beating Mexico in the final), the Sounders won the CONCACAF Champions League
    (beating UNAM in the final), and have now gone further in the World Cup.

    Just in the World Cup qualifiers the US finished below Mexico, but only due to an
    inconsequential loss on the last matchday.

    Ciao,
    Werner

    To be fair playing Wales and Iran probably helped the USA (and no I don’t care how strong each of those supposedly is based
    on their ranking!).

    I'd have thought Poland and Wales on one hand (both quite underwhelming UEFA play-off qualifiers) and Iran and Saudi-Arabia
    on the other (both winners of their respective AFC qualifying groups) to be eminently comparable.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Thu Dec 1 08:30:21 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:24:15 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:09:45 PM UTC-5, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:

    1. China (played once - group stage)
    2. India
    4. Indonesia (played once - group stage)
    5. Pakistan
    6. Nigeria (round of 16 - thrice)
    8. Bangladesh
    11. Japan (round of 16 - thrice)
    12. Philippines
    13. Ethiopia
    14. Egypt (round of 16 - once in 1934)
    Interesting, but I would do things slightly differently. Footballing prowess is a function of population *and* GDP per capita. You need a large population to have a large talent pool, but you also need high income for good facilities, training, etc.

    In fact, it just so happens that I have done this analysis already. I'll spare you the gory details (multivariate regression analysis!), but this is the list of biggest underachievers based on my model (underachiever here is defined as the teams with
    the biggest negative gap between their predicted Elo rating and their actual Elo rating)


    +--------------------------------------+
    | country_elo resid0 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    1. | Philippines -784.3041 |
    2. | India -753.6055 |
    3. | Pakistan -748.3345 |
    4. | Sri Lanka -632.0927 |
    5. | Bangladesh -626.9282 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    6. | Brunei -567.6341 |
    7. | Macao -554.7639 |
    8. | Bhutan -543.0649 |
    9. | Puerto Rico -532.3944 |
    10. | Guam -530.697 |


    Now, say that we want to add variable to our model that captures how "football mad" a country is. We could proxy it, very coarsely, with the country's confederation (notice that all the above are AFC countries).

    Based on this modified model, the biggest underachievers are:

    +--------------------------------------+
    | country_elo resid1 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    1. | Puerto Rico -493.7522 |
    2. | Philippines -480.3142 |
    3. | US Virgin Islands -455.3375 |
    4. | Pakistan -454.0746 |
    5. | India -429.8603 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    6. | Luxembourg -389.6763 |
    7. | Eastern Samoa -372.675 |
    8. | Dominican Republic -369.425 |
    9. | Bahamas -369.2906 |
    10. | Sri Lanka -338.5711 |

    This is a good objective statistical analysis, and far beyond my grasp of statistical methods, but the major flaw I see in this is tying "football madness" to confederations, as Asia is uniquely diverse in that regard. Europe, Africa, and SA are pretty
    uniformly high in the madness index. NA is not, but their rankings are tempered by their extremely high per capita GDP.

    As for Asia, football madness persists in the Middle East, as well as the Far East, though it's a relatively recent trend in both regions. The K-League was founded in the 80s, and the JFL in 1999. Professional leagues in China, Malaysia, Indonesia, and
    the Middle East are even more recent. That leaves the biggest population base in Asia, the Indian Subcontinent, where there is only one professional league (India in 2013), and football is a distant 3rd or 4th sport. They are so cricket obsessed that
    football is just a pastime, even more pronounced in the secondary-sport regard than it is in countries like USA and Australia. For these reasons, these countries significantly skew the analysis, in my opinion.

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Al Kamista on Thu Dec 1 09:06:14 2022
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:24:15 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:09:45 PM UTC-5, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:

    1. China (played once - group stage)
    2. India
    4. Indonesia (played once - group stage)
    5. Pakistan
    6. Nigeria (round of 16 - thrice)
    8. Bangladesh
    11. Japan (round of 16 - thrice)
    12. Philippines
    13. Ethiopia
    14. Egypt (round of 16 - once in 1934)
    Interesting, but I would do things slightly differently. Footballing prowess is a function of population *and* GDP per capita. You need a large population to have a large talent pool, but you also need high income for good facilities, training, etc.

    In fact, it just so happens that I have done this analysis already. I'll spare you the gory details (multivariate regression analysis!), but this is the list of biggest underachievers based on my model (underachiever here is defined as the teams with
    the biggest negative gap between their predicted Elo rating and their actual Elo rating)


    +--------------------------------------+
    | country_elo resid0 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    1. | Philippines -784.3041 |
    2. | India -753.6055 |
    3. | Pakistan -748.3345 |
    4. | Sri Lanka -632.0927 |
    5. | Bangladesh -626.9282 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    6. | Brunei -567.6341 |
    7. | Macao -554.7639 |
    8. | Bhutan -543.0649 |
    9. | Puerto Rico -532.3944 |
    10. | Guam -530.697 |


    Now, say that we want to add variable to our model that captures how "football mad" a country is. We could proxy it, very coarsely, with the country's confederation (notice that all the above are AFC countries).

    Based on this modified model, the biggest underachievers are:

    +--------------------------------------+
    | country_elo resid1 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    1. | Puerto Rico -493.7522 |
    2. | Philippines -480.3142 |
    3. | US Virgin Islands -455.3375 |
    4. | Pakistan -454.0746 |
    5. | India -429.8603 |
    |--------------------------------------|
    6. | Luxembourg -389.6763 |
    7. | Eastern Samoa -372.675 |
    8. | Dominican Republic -369.425 |
    9. | Bahamas -369.2906 |
    10. | Sri Lanka -338.5711 |
    This is a good objective statistical analysis, and far beyond my grasp of statistical methods, but the major flaw I see in this is tying "football madness" to confederations, as Asia is uniquely diverse in that regard. Europe, Africa, and SA are pretty
    uniformly high in the madness index. NA is not, but their rankings are tempered by their extremely high per capita GDP.

    As for Asia, football madness persists in the Middle East, as well as the Far East, though it's a relatively recent trend in both regions. The K-League was founded in the 80s, and the JFL in 1999. Professional leagues in China, Malaysia, Indonesia, and
    the Middle East are even more recent. That leaves the biggest population base in Asia, the Indian Subcontinent, where there is only one professional league (India in 2013), and football is a distant 3rd or 4th sport. They are so cricket obsessed that
    football is just a pastime, even more pronounced in the secondary-sport regard than it is in countries like USA and Australia. For these reasons, these countries significantly skew the analysis, in my opinion.

    Actually, should have asked before posting this, but by what objective measure do confederations factor into this analysis?

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to alka...@hotmail.com on Thu Dec 1 09:46:25 2022
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:06:16 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Actually, should have asked before posting this, but by what objective measure do confederations factor into this analysis?

    You basically fit a line with a different y-intercept for each confederation.

    This is a good objective statistical analysis, and far beyond my grasp of statistical methods, but the major flaw I see in this
    is tying "football madness" to confederations, as Asia is uniquely diverse in that regard. Europe, Africa, and SA are pretty
    uniformly high in the madness index. NA is not, but their rankings are tempered by their extremely high per capita GDP.

    As for Asia, football madness persists in the Middle East, as well as the Far East, though it's a relatively recent trend in both
    regions. The K-League was founded in the 80s, and the JFL in 1999. Professional leagues in China, Malaysia, Indonesia, and
    the Middle East are even more recent. That leaves the biggest population base in Asia, the Indian Subcontinent, where there
    is only one professional league (India in 2013), and football is a distant 3rd or 4th sport. They are so cricket obsessed that
    football is just a pastime, even more pronounced in the secondary-sport regard than it is in countries like USA and Australia. > For these reasons, these countries significantly skew the analysis, in my opinion.

    All perfectly valid points. If one wanted to do this analysis more seriously, they could try to take into account the presence or the age of a professional soccer league, the existence of competing sports, and many other factors. I also don't love the
    presence of so many micro-states among the underachievers.

    But the main point does not change: you should think about both population *and* GDP per capita when doing these rankings.
    Countries like the Netherlands or the Scandinavian countries no longer show up as massive overachievers once you take that into account.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Thu Dec 1 10:11:32 2022
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:16:20 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:16:06 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 8:47:23 AM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:06:07 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    is someone from the Polish bench making sure to tell everybody to be on their best behavior?
    When PiÄ…tek was subbed in he made very calming gestures towards everyone.

    And that's the end of Mexico's streak of 7 consecutive second round appearances. Now Brazil is the only surviving NT that
    has qualified for the second round in each World Cup since 1994 (in fact, their streak goes back to 1966)

    Are Mexico the biggest underachievers in international football?

    130 million population, absolutely football mad nation, have money to invest in the sport, and have a history and tradition in
    the sport. Basically all the ingredients to be a global powerhouse, but never even made a WC semifinal.
    Somewhat related, is this the first time ever that you could reasonably argue that
    Mexico are below the US in practically every aspect of the game?

    The US have won the Gold Cup (beating Mexico in the final), the CONCACAF Nations
    League (beating Mexico in the final), the Sounders won the CONCACAF Champions League
    (beating UNAM in the final), and have now gone further in the World Cup.

    Just in the World Cup qualifiers the US finished below Mexico, but only due to an
    inconsequential loss on the last matchday.

    Ciao,
    Werner

    To be fair playing Wales and Iran probably helped the USA (and no I don’t care how strong each of those supposedly is based
    on their ranking!).
    I'd have thought Poland and Wales on one hand (both quite underwhelming UEFA play-off qualifiers) and Iran and Saudi-Arabia
    on the other (both winners of their respective AFC qualifying groups) to be eminently comparable.

    Ciao,
    Werner

    On paper perhaps, but having watched all teams Poland for all their negativity look a better side than Wales. Iran only really looked good against Wales, who are rubbish. Saudi Arabia looked a better side than Iran in so far as they beat Argentina and
    played much better than Poland.

    It may be that US soccer has indeed overtaken Mexican soccer but if that’s the case this World Cup isn’t the reason.


    RM

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Thu Dec 1 10:19:49 2022
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 5:46:27 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:06:16 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Actually, should have asked before posting this, but by what objective measure do confederations factor into this analysis?
    You basically fit a line with a different y-intercept for each confederation.
    This is a good objective statistical analysis, and far beyond my grasp of statistical methods, but the major flaw I see in this
    is tying "football madness" to confederations, as Asia is uniquely diverse in that regard. Europe, Africa, and SA are pretty
    uniformly high in the madness index. NA is not, but their rankings are tempered by their extremely high per capita GDP.

    As for Asia, football madness persists in the Middle East, as well as the Far East, though it's a relatively recent trend in both
    regions. The K-League was founded in the 80s, and the JFL in 1999. Professional leagues in China, Malaysia, Indonesia, and
    the Middle East are even more recent. That leaves the biggest population base in Asia, the Indian Subcontinent, where there
    is only one professional league (India in 2013), and football is a distant 3rd or 4th sport. They are so cricket obsessed that
    football is just a pastime, even more pronounced in the secondary-sport regard than it is in countries like USA and Australia. > For these reasons, these countries significantly skew the analysis, in my opinion.
    All perfectly valid points. If one wanted to do this analysis more seriously, they could try to take into account the presence or the age of a professional soccer league, the existence of competing sports, and many other factors. I also don't love the
    presence of so many micro-states among the underachievers.

    But the main point does not change: you should think about both population *and* GDP per capita when doing these rankings.
    Countries like the Netherlands or the Scandinavian countries no longer show up as massive overachievers once you take that into account.

    How did a World Cup results thread become the book Soccernomics? *s*


    RM

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Thu Dec 1 13:04:22 2022
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:46:27 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:06:16 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Actually, should have asked before posting this, but by what objective measure do confederations factor into this analysis?
    You basically fit a line with a different y-intercept for each confederation.

    LOL. Thanks.

    What I really meant is, what metric did you use......e.g. average Elo rating for confederation members? some FIFA confederation score?

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 13:08:20 2022
    Futbolmetrix a exprimé avec précision :
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-5,
    Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5,
    Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5,
    Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1,
    Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go
    through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team
    who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben
    Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the
    Danish U19
    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to
    their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a
    draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to
    both throw men forward.

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark. To add insult to injury,
    Griezmann scores in the 98th minute to deny Tunisia a
    historic win (or maybe not? VAR stepping in? Ruled
    offside!

    Still waiting for FIFA decision.
    Personnally, I will never recognize this match as a defeat but
    a draw, whatever the FIFA decision.

    --
    Ixion

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to ixion martin - GdBx on Sun Dec 4 13:54:55 2022
    On 4.12.2022. 13:08, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:

    Still waiting for FIFA decision.
    Personnally, I will never recognize this match as a defeat but a draw, whatever the FIFA decision.

    We also had an interesting decision even though it's questionable if it
    was a penalty since I can't really see any contact between Kramaric
    and Carrasco.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/z9qli9/var_graphic_showing_croatias_offside_vs_belgium/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/z9qgr5/croatia_penalty_overtuned_by_var_against_belgium/

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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 5 22:09:47 2022
    Il se trouve que ixion martin - GdBx a formulé :
    Futbolmetrix a exprimé avec précision :
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-5,
    Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:22:59 AM UTC-5,
    Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-5,
    Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:11:32 PM UTC+1,
    Futbolmetrix wrote:
    HT in the first games, 0-0 everywhere.

    Aussies to go through if results hold. Tunisia would go
    through if they can score one against France.
    And wouldn't you know it, this very moment...

    Khazri is only one of three players in the Tunisian team
    who had been capped by France at the youth level. Ben
    Slimane, on the other hand, has quite a few caps with the
    Danish U19
    If Denmark manages an equalizer and Tunisia can hold on to
    their lead, the last few minutes of AUS-DEN will be fun: a
    draw not good enough for either team, so they will have to
    both throw men forward.

    FT: AUS-DEN 1-0
    Very disappointing from Denmark. To add insult to injury,
    Griezmann scores in the 98th minute to deny Tunisia a
    historic win (or maybe not? VAR stepping in? Ruled
    offside!

    Still waiting for FIFA decision.
    Personnally, I will never recognize this match as a defeat
    but a draw, whatever the FIFA decision.

    FIFA rejects the call but gives no explaination.
    Never mind, for me, this game will be a draw ever.

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