• WC 2022 Day 8: JAP-CRC, BEL-MAR, CRO-CAN, ESP-GER [R]

    From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 26 13:38:49 2022
    If Japan and Spain win we lose Costa Rica and Germany.


    RM

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Sat Nov 26 16:31:43 2022
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:38:51 PM UTC-6, Real Mardin wrote:
    If Japan and Spain win we lose Costa Rica and Germany.


    RM
    The most likely scenario is Spain thumping Germany 6-0 ;-) just like how they did in the UEFA nations league

    The same clowns from that 2020 Germany -Spain game are playing for Germany. Gnabry, Sane, Gundogan, Goretzka, Sule and Ginter all played that game... and most likely Schlotterbeck is gonna be replaced by Ginter tomorrow.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Sun Nov 27 03:49:18 2022
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 4:38:51 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    If Japan and Spain win we lose Costa Rica and Germany.



    Against the run of play, Costa Rica takes the lead with about 10 minutes to go. And there were celebrations all over the land, from San Jose to Alajuela, and from Munich to Berlin.

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  • From Binder Dundat@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Sun Nov 27 04:00:28 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 6:49:20 a.m. UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 4:38:51 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    If Japan and Spain win we lose Costa Rica and Germany.


    Against the run of play, Costa Rica takes the lead with about 10 minutes to go. And there were celebrations all over the land, from San Jose to Alajuela, and from Munich to Berlin.

    If Spain beat CR 7-0 and Japan beat Germany 2-1 and now CR beat Japan 1-0 that means Spain should beat Germany 14-0.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Sun Nov 27 03:59:06 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:49:20 AM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 4:38:51 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    If Japan and Spain win we lose Costa Rica and Germany.


    Against the run of play, Costa Rica takes the lead with about 10 minutes to go. And there were celebrations all over the land, from San Jose to Alajuela, and from Munich to Berlin.

    FT Japan 0 - Costa Rica 1

    Game seemed to be headed for a draw until Fuller’s brilliant curling shot bested Gonda (he was able to palm it but only into the net).

    With Spain to come this might be a massive missed opportunity for Japan.

    All credit to the Japanese fans for chanting till the very end.

    RM

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Al Kamista on Sun Nov 27 05:47:05 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:38:34 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 6:59:08 AM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:49:20 AM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 4:38:51 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    If Japan and Spain win we lose Costa Rica and Germany.


    Against the run of play, Costa Rica takes the lead with about 10 minutes to go. And there were celebrations all over the land, from San Jose to Alajuela, and from Munich to Berlin.
    FT Japan 0 - Costa Rica 1

    Game seemed to be headed for a draw until Fuller’s brilliant curling shot bested Gonda (he was able to palm it but only into the net).

    With Spain to come this might be a massive missed opportunity for Japan.

    All credit to the Japanese fans for chanting till the very end.

    RM
    Stupid Japan. Probably blew their best chance ever (?) at advancing to the R16. That said, If Spain beat Germany (which they should), then Japan can likely make it with a draw against Spain.

    Belgium's golden generation seems to be going out with a whimper. Only true WC players remaining are KDB and Courtois. The defenders are dinosaurs and the rest are mostly washed out.

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Sun Nov 27 05:38:32 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 6:59:08 AM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:49:20 AM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 4:38:51 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    If Japan and Spain win we lose Costa Rica and Germany.


    Against the run of play, Costa Rica takes the lead with about 10 minutes to go. And there were celebrations all over the land, from San Jose to Alajuela, and from Munich to Berlin.
    FT Japan 0 - Costa Rica 1

    Game seemed to be headed for a draw until Fuller’s brilliant curling shot bested Gonda (he was able to palm it but only into the net).

    With Spain to come this might be a massive missed opportunity for Japan.

    All credit to the Japanese fans for chanting till the very end.

    RM

    Stupid Japan. Probably blew their best chance ever (?) at advancing to the R16. That said, If Spain beat Germany (which they should), then Japan can likely make it with a draw against Spain.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to anders t on Sun Nov 27 07:01:35 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:48:43 PM UTC, anders t wrote:
    Belgium: Eurocroto.
    --

    Yes, FT Belgium 0 - Morocco 2.

    I picked Belgium for my Eurocrotto entry but I didn’t foresee this!

    A CAF team beating a UEFA team, first time since Senegal beat France in 2002?

    RM

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  • From Binder Dundat@21:1/5 to alka...@hotmail.com on Sun Nov 27 06:46:58 2022
    it is looking like Kanada missed a good chance for points vs Belgium. Morocco deservedly leading.



    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:47:06 a.m. UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:38:34 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 6:59:08 AM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:49:20 AM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 4:38:51 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    If Japan and Spain win we lose Costa Rica and Germany.


    Against the run of play, Costa Rica takes the lead with about 10 minutes to go. And there were celebrations all over the land, from San Jose to Alajuela, and from Munich to Berlin.
    FT Japan 0 - Costa Rica 1

    Game seemed to be headed for a draw until Fuller’s brilliant curling shot bested Gonda (he was able to palm it but only into the net).

    With Spain to come this might be a massive missed opportunity for Japan.

    All credit to the Japanese fans for chanting till the very end.

    RM
    Stupid Japan. Probably blew their best chance ever (?) at advancing to the R16. That said, If Spain beat Germany (which they should), then Japan can likely make it with a draw against Spain.
    Belgium's golden generation seems to be going out with a whimper. Only true WC players remaining are KDB and Courtois. The defenders are dinosaurs and the rest are mostly washed out.

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Al Kamista on Sun Nov 27 16:05:20 2022
    On 27.11.2022. 14:47, Al Kamista wrote:

    Belgium's golden generation seems to be going out with a whimper. Only true WC players remaining are KDB and Courtois. The defenders are dinosaurs and the rest are mostly washed out.

    I've calculated defeat vs them and everything is complicated now.
    Morocco did themselves a favor with the 2nd goal, it's gonna be hard to
    first qualify and then avoid Spain.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Sun Nov 27 07:07:19 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:01:39 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:48:43 PM UTC, anders t wrote:
    Belgium: Eurocroto.
    --

    Yes, FT Belgium 0 - Morocco 2.

    I picked Belgium for my Eurocrotto entry but I didn’t foresee this!

    A CAF team beating a UEFA team, first time since Senegal beat France in 2002?


    South Africa beat France 2-1 in 2010.

    RM

    RM
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  • From KaiserD2@21:1/5 to anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com on Sun Nov 27 10:06:36 2022
    To begin with: Belgium looked awful but they are still second in the
    group with 3 points as we await the Croatia-Canada game. They could
    certainly beat Croatia.

    More generally: in Group F Belgium and Croatia have all the reputation
    and probably more skill, but Morocco and Canada are both bigger,
    stronger, and faster. I won't be surprised if Canada beats Croatia at
    all.

    p.s.--somebody just said that Japan blew their best chance to reach
    the round of 16. They have reached that round at least twice--in 2002
    as hosts when Turkey beat them 1-0 and in 2018 when Belgium beat them
    3-2 in one of the most exciting matches I have ever seen.

    DK

    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 15:48:38 +0100, anders t
    <anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com> wrote:

    Belgium: Eurocroto.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to alka...@hotmail.com on Sun Nov 27 07:12:45 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:38:34 AM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Stupid Japan. Probably blew their best chance ever (?) at advancing to the R16. That said, If Spain beat Germany (which they should), then Japan can likely make it with a draw against Spain.

    They did make it to the R16 in the previous WC, and were in fact leading 2-0 over Belgium deep in the second half.
    They also qualified in 2002, when they were hosting.

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  • From anders t@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 15:48:38 2022
    Belgium: Eurocroto.
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  • From Binder Dundat@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Sun Nov 27 08:04:23 2022
    Davies does it!!!! Kanada scores their first goal in a WM!!!!!

    Super!

    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:46 a.m. UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:38:34 AM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Stupid Japan. Probably blew their best chance ever (?) at advancing to the R16. That said, If Spain beat Germany (which they should), then Japan can likely make it with a draw against Spain.
    They did make it to the R16 in the previous WC, and were in fact leading 2-0 over Belgium deep in the second half.
    They also qualified in 2002, when they were hosting.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 08:03:24 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:46 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    O Canada!

    1-0, Davies in the 1st minute

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Sun Nov 27 08:44:52 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:04:25 AM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Davies does it!!!! Kanada scores their first goal in a WM!!!!!

    Super!
    Contrary to the hapless Belgians, Croatia always gave the impression that they could pull one back, and indeed they do.
    1-1, Kramaric.

    And now 2-1. Livaja.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Binder Dundat on Sun Nov 27 08:41:45 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:04:25 AM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Davies does it!!!! Kanada scores their first goal in a WM!!!!!

    Super!

    Contrary to the hapless Belgians, Croatia always gave the impression that they could pull one back, and indeed they do.
    1-1, Kramaric.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Sun Nov 27 09:00:02 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:44:53 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:04:25 AM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Davies does it!!!! Kanada scores their first goal in a WM!!!!!

    Super!
    Contrary to the hapless Belgians, Croatia always gave the impression that they could pull one back, and indeed they do.
    1-1, Kramaric.
    And now 2-1. Livaja.

    It'd be 3-1 if we still gave the attacker the benefit of the doubt on offside calls!

    RM

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 09:03:14 2022
    Canada with a high intensity start to the game took and early lead but Croatia showed patience in their build up game and their quality and so far it's worked for them. 2-1 Croatia HT.

    Just to be clear if Croatia win this Canada are out.

    RM

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Sun Nov 27 17:55:14 2022
    On 27.11.2022. 17:44, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    And now 2-1. Livaja.

    That was pretty awful 30ish minutes, I couldn't believe the choke.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 09:58:15 2022
    FT: Croatia 4 - Canada 1

    Canada become the second nation to be eliminated from Qatar 2022.

    RM

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Sun Nov 27 10:11:28 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 5:58:16 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    FT: Croatia 4 - Canada 1

    Canada become the second nation to be eliminated from Qatar 2022.

    RM

    A question to CONCACAF'ian rss'ers - is there a plan in place to give the three United 2026 hosts high quality competitive football before the next World Cup?

    Gold Cups in 2023 and 2025 will only go so far. Any plans for guest invites to the 2024 Copa America?

    RM

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to vedran on Sun Nov 27 19:04:13 2022
    On 27.11.2022. 17:55, vedran wrote:
    On 27.11.2022. 17:44, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    And now 2-1. Livaja.

    That was pretty awful 30ish minutes, I couldn't believe the choke.


    I guess we are not that bad, but we need a point vs Belgium
    to go through assuming Morocco won't bottle it vs Canada.

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  • From KaiserD2@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 13:20:54 2022
    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 10:06:36 -0500, KaiserD2 <KaiserD2@gmail.com>
    wrote:


    To begin with: Belgium looked awful but they are still second in the
    group with 3 points as we await the Croatia-Canada game. They could >certainly beat Croatia.

    More generally: in Group F Belgium and Croatia have all the reputation
    and probably more skill, but Morocco and Canada are both bigger,
    stronger, and faster. I won't be surprised if Canada beats Croatia at
    all.

    p.s.--somebody just said that Japan blew their best chance to reach
    the round of 16. They have reached that round at least twice--in 2002
    as hosts when Turkey beat them 1-0 and in 2018 when Belgium beat them
    3-2 in one of the most exciting matches I have ever seen.

    DK

    So Croatia came to life and played great. They do need a draw
    with Belgium who could decide to wake up as well. If they beat
    Belgium they have a chance to beat Morocco on goal difference and
    avoid Spain.
    This is a great WC so far. Several dramatic days to come this
    week.

    David K

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  • From KaiserD2@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 13:24:50 2022
    Forgot one more thing: the second Croatian goal exposed a weakness in
    Canada's keeper. When a shot is coming he stand with his feet very
    wide apart, flat-footed. It's almost impossible to dive to one side
    from that position. I think another keeper might have saved that
    shot.

    David K

    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 13:20:54 -0500, KaiserD2 <KaiserD2@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 10:06:36 -0500, KaiserD2 <KaiserD2@gmail.com>
    wrote:


    To begin with: Belgium looked awful but they are still second in the
    group with 3 points as we await the Croatia-Canada game. They could >>certainly beat Croatia.

    More generally: in Group F Belgium and Croatia have all the reputation
    and probably more skill, but Morocco and Canada are both bigger,
    stronger, and faster. I won't be surprised if Canada beats Croatia at
    all.

    p.s.--somebody just said that Japan blew their best chance to reach
    the round of 16. They have reached that round at least twice--in 2002
    as hosts when Turkey beat them 1-0 and in 2018 when Belgium beat them
    3-2 in one of the most exciting matches I have ever seen.

    DK

    So Croatia came to life and played great. They do need a draw
    with Belgium who could decide to wake up as well. If they beat
    Belgium they have a chance to beat Morocco on goal difference and
    avoid Spain.
    This is a great WC so far. Several dramatic days to come this
    week.

    David K

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to daniele.paserman@gmail.com on Sun Nov 27 20:09:55 2022
    In article <9a1f546e-f76a-4d24-9984-546c9e49b952n@googlegroups.com>, Futbolmetrix <daniele.paserman@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:46 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    O Canada!

    1-0, Davies in the 1st minute

    And then ...
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to real_mardin@yahoo.co.uk on Sun Nov 27 20:10:42 2022
    In article <fe06bed6-1669-415d-b238-cd2521d0387cn@googlegroups.com>,
    Real Mardin <real_mardin@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    FT: Croatia 4 - Canada 1

    Canada become the second nation to be eliminated from Qatar 2022.

    RM

    What haapened to the defence?
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to dundat@gmail.com on Sun Nov 27 20:10:07 2022
    In article <227c3dbc-fb3f-455c-a7c6-6196e0841e73n@googlegroups.com>,
    Binder Dundat <dundat@gmail.com> wrote:

    Davies does it!!!! Kanada scores their first goal in a WM!!!!!

    Super!

    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:46 a.m. UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:38:34 AM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote: >>
    Stupid Japan. Probably blew their best chance ever (?) at advancing
    to the R16. That said, If Spain beat Germany (which they should), then
    Japan can likely make it with a draw against Spain.
    They did make it to the R16 in the previous WC, and were in fact
    leading 2-0 over Belgium deep in the second half.
    They also qualified in 2002, when they were hosting.

    68 seconds!
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  • From MH@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Nov 27 13:58:28 2022
    On 2022-11-27 13:10, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <fe06bed6-1669-415d-b238-cd2521d0387cn@googlegroups.com>,
    Real Mardin <real_mardin@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    FT: Croatia 4 - Canada 1

    Canada become the second nation to be eliminated from Qatar 2022.

    RM

    What haapened to the defence?

    It was always our weak point, as I have been saying for years.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 13:40:17 2022
    FT: Spain 1 - Germany 1


    Germany give themselves a credible chance of qualifying for the second round.


    RM

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 22:25:48 2022
    On 27.11.2022. 19:24, KaiserD2 wrote:
    Forgot one more thing: the second Croatian goal exposed a weakness in Canada's keeper.

    There are 2 problems with Borjan.
    First, he's in poor form for a while now, been liability for Red Star, especially in EL, I've seen Serbs wondering doesn't Canada have anything better,
    no one normal is picking a player from Serbian league. Some of them are gloating because Red Star is hated since it's a privileged club.

    Second, and I wrote this before, he said he wasn't born in Croatia, but
    Serbian Krajina
    which was the name for occupied territory during the war here, and he
    also called Dalmatia Serbian.
    It's his own fault, unnecessarily bringing politics and putting a
    pressure on himself,
    today some of our fans were provoking him with "Borjan, Ustasha", he
    replied with infamous 3 Serbian fingers https://twitter.com/IvanMarkoti2/status/1596930301334155265

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Sun Nov 27 22:57:45 2022
    Real Mardin wrote:

    FT: Spain 1 - Germany 1


    Germany give themselves a credible chance of qualifying for the
    second round.

    They'd want to start playing a bit better then wouldn't they? Germany
    have, for the most part, been exceedingly average... they're not the
    only national team that could apply to at this World Cup but I must say
    I expected more from Germany. My pre-World Cup prediction was a Brazil
    - Germany Final!!!

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Timothy Bruening on Sun Nov 27 22:17:00 2022
    Timothy Bruening wrote:

    Germany and Spain end the game tied at 1! Why no overtime?

    <face palm>

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sun Nov 27 22:18:46 2022
    In article <nnd$5e9f7e80$0646006f@f1b4bbe69eb5be70>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Timothy Bruening wrote:

    Germany and Spain end the game tied at 1! Why no overtime?

    <face palm>

    Please slap Tim Bruening with a brick across his face!
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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sun Nov 27 14:24:29 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:57:49 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
    Real Mardin wrote:

    FT: Spain 1 - Germany 1


    Germany give themselves a credible chance of qualifying for the
    second round.
    They'd want to start playing a bit better then wouldn't they? Germany
    have, for the most part, been exceedingly average... they're not the
    only national team that could apply to at this World Cup but I must say
    I expected more from Germany. My pre-World Cup prediction was a Brazil
    - Germany Final!!!

    They've surely got the quality to improve. Should Germany finish second in their group that makes a Brazil - Germany final possible (assuming that Brazil win their group).

    RM

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  • From FF@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Sun Nov 27 14:26:10 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:40:19 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
    FT: Spain 1 - Germany 1


    Germany give themselves a credible chance of qualifying for the second round.


    RM
    Not really. Japan's best approach would be to play for a draw with Spain and hope (reasonably) that Germany beat CRC, which is their only chance at advancing. Otherwise, if they go all out attacking Spain and expose themselves at the back they risk
    almost certain defeat. Spain will also be content with a draw. Then, if Germany indeed wins, Spain are first and Japan second. True, if Germany don't win Japan are out in this scenario, but it's a risk they'll be willing to take.

    I watched the game, I was curious to see Spain first of all. Not that impressive. But, 1. they did have a brilliant spell for about 20 minutes starting cca. min. 55, in which they scored. They showed their class. And 2. their objective was at least a
    draw, Germany needed the victory. In the end they got the draw so they probably played economically, Enrique rested some key players for the next games. So all in all they look like they could do it. We'll see when they meet some real strong opposition.

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 14:50:10 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:26:12 PM UTC, FF wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:40:19 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
    FT: Spain 1 - Germany 1


    Germany give themselves a credible chance of qualifying for the second round.


    RM
    Not really. Japan's best approach would be to play for a draw with Spain and hope (reasonably) that Germany beat CRC, which is their only chance at advancing. Otherwise, if they go all out attacking Spain and expose themselves at the back they risk
    almost certain defeat. Spain will also be content with a draw. Then, if Germany indeed wins, Spain are first and Japan second. True, if Germany don't win Japan are out in this scenario, but it's a risk they'll be willing to take.

    I watched the game, I was curious to see Spain first of all. Not that impressive. But, 1. they did have a brilliant spell for about 20 minutes starting cca. min. 55, in which they scored. They showed their class. And 2. their objective was at least a
    draw, Germany needed the victory. In the end they got the draw so they probably played economically, Enrique rested some key players for the next games. So all in all they look like they could do it. We'll see when they meet some real strong opposition.

    I appreciate your scenario is a possibility but Spain will presumably play for the win so as to avoid the 1st placed team from Group F. Playing for a draw makes no sense because if it backfires Japan would take first place. If it really *really*
    backfires and Costa Rica beat Germany Spain would be out. I can't see Spain taking that risk.

    I didn't say Germany will definitely qualify but given the circumstances above they surely have a credible chance of qualifying.

    RM



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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to tsbrueni@gmail.com on Sun Nov 27 22:15:37 2022
    In article <a6769d9d-afb2-4bac-99df-4ba5e22df925n@googlegroups.com>,
    Timothy Bruening <tsbrueni@gmail.com> wrote:
    Germany and Spain end the game tied at 1! Why no overtime?

    Group stage Timwit! 90 minutes gmaes played!!
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  • From Timothy Bruening@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Nov 27 15:34:30 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:18:49 PM UTC-8, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <nnd$5e9f7e80$0646006f@f1b4bbe69eb5be70>,
    Blueshirt <blue...@indigo.news> wrote:
    Timothy Bruening wrote:

    Germany and Spain end the game tied at 1! Why no overtime?

    <face palm>
    Please slap Tim Bruening with a brick across his face!

    I thought that soccer refs used cards, not bricks!

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  • From Timothy Bruening@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Nov 27 15:51:49 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:18:49 PM UTC-8, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <nnd$5e9f7e80$0646006f@f1b4bbe69eb5be70>,
    Blueshirt <blue...@indigo.news> wrote:
    Timothy Bruening wrote:

    Germany and Spain end the game tied at 1! Why no overtime?

    <face palm>
    Please slap Tim Bruening with a brick across his face!

    Am I allowed to ask why there isn't overtime in group play, or why the game clock never stops and always counts up, or why the soccer players don't wear helmets?

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 16:02:23 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:26:12 PM UTC, FF wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:40:19 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
    FT: Spain 1 - Germany 1


    Germany give themselves a credible chance of qualifying for the second round.


    RM
    Not really. Japan's best approach would be to play for a draw with Spain and hope (reasonably) that Germany beat CRC, which is their only chance at advancing.

    Thinking it through this doesn’t work. If Japan draw with Spain and Germany beat Costa Rica then the first tiebreaker is goal difference. Germany would only need a two goal win to beat Japan on goal difference. If Germany won by one goal Japan and
    Germany would be level on goal difference. The next tiebreaker would be goals scored so is dependent on the scores in the final games but surely Japan would be concerned that Germany could score so many against Costa Rica as to overtake them. Given the
    above and my previous post I really don’t think it’s in either Spain or Japan’s interest to play for a draw. The more I think about it the more I believe it could well be an entertaining game with lots of attacking play.

    RM

    Otherwise, if they go all out attacking Spain and expose themselves at the back they risk >almost certain defeat. Spain will also be content with a draw. Then, if Germany indeed wins, >Spain are first and Japan second. True, if Germany don't win Japan
    are out in this scenario, >but it's a risk they'll be willing to take.

    I watched the game, I was curious to see Spain first of all. Not that impressive. But, 1. they did have a brilliant spell for about 20 minutes starting cca. min. 55, in which they scored. They showed their class. And 2. their objective was at least a
    draw, Germany needed the victory. In the end they got the draw so they probably played economically, Enrique rested some key players for the next games. So all in all they look like they could do it. We'll see when they meet some real strong opposition.

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  • From FF@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Sun Nov 27 17:14:40 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 2:02:25 AM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:26:12 PM UTC, FF wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:40:19 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
    FT: Spain 1 - Germany 1


    Germany give themselves a credible chance of qualifying for the second round.


    RM
    Not really. Japan's best approach would be to play for a draw with Spain and hope (reasonably) that Germany beat CRC, which is their only chance at advancing.
    Thinking it through this doesn’t work. If Japan draw with Spain and Germany beat Costa Rica then the first tiebreaker is goal difference. Germany would only need a two goal win to beat Japan on goal difference. If Germany won by one goal Japan and
    Germany would be level on goal difference. The next tiebreaker would be goals scored so is dependent on the scores in the final games but surely Japan would be concerned that Germany could score so many against Costa Rica as to overtake them. Given the
    above and my previous post I really don’t think it’s in either Spain or Japan’s interest to play for a draw. The more I think about it the more I believe it could well be an entertaining game with lots of attacking play.

    RM

    Looks like you're right. I thought the first tie breaker is direct result. But it's goal difference, I checked. So yes, Germany's chances are better than I thought. I can see them beating CRC by 2 or even 3 goals.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to tsbrueni@gmail.com on Mon Nov 28 01:30:08 2022
    In article <0315f19b-d01e-4d6c-a27b-1151da74887fn@googlegroups.com>,
    Timothy Bruening <tsbrueni@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:18:49 PM UTC-8, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <nnd$5e9f7e80$0646006f@f1b4bbe69eb5be70>,
    Blueshirt <blue...@indigo.news> wrote:
    Timothy Bruening wrote:

    Germany and Spain end the game tied at 1! Why no overtime?

    <face palm>
    Please slap Tim Bruening with a brick across his face!

    I thought that soccer refs used cards, not bricks!

    We are refering to why you need a heavy face palm in your face Tim!
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  • From FF@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 17:18:35 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 3:14:42 AM UTC+2, FF wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 2:02:25 AM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:26:12 PM UTC, FF wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:40:19 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
    FT: Spain 1 - Germany 1


    Germany give themselves a credible chance of qualifying for the second round.


    RM
    Not really. Japan's best approach would be to play for a draw with Spain and hope (reasonably) that Germany beat CRC, which is their only chance at advancing.
    Thinking it through this doesn’t work. If Japan draw with Spain and Germany beat Costa Rica then the first tiebreaker is goal difference. Germany would only need a two goal win to beat Japan on goal difference. If Germany won by one goal Japan and
    Germany would be level on goal difference. The next tiebreaker would be goals scored so is dependent on the scores in the final games but surely Japan would be concerned that Germany could score so many against Costa Rica as to overtake them. Given the
    above and my previous post I really don’t think it’s in either Spain or Japan’s interest to play for a draw. The more I think about it the more I believe it could well be an entertaining game with lots of attacking play.

    RM
    Looks like you're right. I thought the first tie breaker is direct result. But it's goal difference, I checked. So yes, Germany's chances are better than I thought. I can see them beating CRC by 2 or even 3 goals.

    That said, I still think Japan's best shot is to play for a draw. But even if they get it their chances are rather slim.

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to vedran on Mon Nov 28 13:04:06 2022
    On 2022-11-27 14:25, vedran wrote:
    On 27.11.2022. 19:24, KaiserD2 wrote:
    Forgot one more thing:  the second Croatian goal exposed a weakness in
    Canada's keeper.

    There are 2 problems with Borjan.

    There are more than that.
    1) His distribution is poor
    2) He is not as agile or fast at getting down to shots as he used to be
    3) There is always a high probability of a real howler - such as the one
    that cost us against Haiti in a gold cup match a couple of years back

    He was actually quite solid for Canada in qualification, to be fair.
    But he was always a risk. I think a better keeper would have saved the
    first two Croatia goals. They were not unstoppable.


    First, he's in poor form for a while now, been liability for Red Star, especially in EL, I've seen Serbs wondering doesn't Canada have anything better,

    We might, in all of Crepeau, St. Clair and Pantemis, who are all first
    choice for their MLS teams. Crepeau played well in qualifying when
    called on, but broke his leg (his own fault, though) in the MLS cup
    final. St. Clair is the keeper of the future, but only capper 2-3 times.


    I am more worried about our central defenders for the futures. This must
    be the end of the line for Vitoria given his age. But none of Cornelius
    or any others has really stepped up, which leaves us with only Miller
    who is anywhere near good enough.

    Another danger for the future development of this team is that players
    will move to European teams that will give them no playing time - has
    already happened with Larin (Bruges) and Laryea (Forest), and if
    Johnston, Koné, and Miller also move, as is rumoured, their development
    could stagnate.

    David is allegedly sought after by bigger clubs than Lille, but I don't
    think he is ready yet (if ever) and would also moulder on the bench.


    no one normal is picking a player from Serbian league. Some of them are gloating because Red Star is hated since it's a privileged club.

    Second, and I wrote this before, he said he wasn't born in Croatia, but Serbian Krajina
    which was the name for occupied territory during the war here, and he
    also called Dalmatia Serbian.
    It's his own fault, unnecessarily bringing politics and putting a
    pressure on himself,
    today some of our fans were provoking him with "Borjan, Ustasha", he
    replied with infamous 3 Serbian fingers https://twitter.com/IvanMarkoti2/status/1596930301334155265


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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 13:37:52 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:10 PM UTC, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-27 14:25, vedran wrote:
    On 27.11.2022. 19:24, KaiserD2 wrote:
    Forgot one more thing: the second Croatian goal exposed a weakness in
    Canada's keeper.

    There are 2 problems with Borjan.
    There are more than that.
    1) His distribution is poor
    2) He is not as agile or fast at getting down to shots as he used to be
    3) There is always a high probability of a real howler - such as the one that cost us against Haiti in a gold cup match a couple of years back

    He was actually quite solid for Canada in qualification, to be fair.
    But he was always a risk. I think a better keeper would have saved the
    first two Croatia goals. They were not unstoppable.
    First, he's in poor form for a while now, been liability for Red Star, especially in EL, I've seen Serbs wondering doesn't Canada have anything better,
    We might, in all of Crepeau, St. Clair and Pantemis, who are all first choice for their MLS teams. Crepeau played well in qualifying when
    called on, but broke his leg (his own fault, though) in the MLS cup
    final. St. Clair is the keeper of the future, but only capper 2-3 times.


    I am more worried about our central defenders for the futures. This must
    be the end of the line for Vitoria given his age. But none of Cornelius
    or any others has really stepped up, which leaves us with only Miller
    who is anywhere near good enough.

    Another danger for the future development of this team is that players
    will move to European teams that will give them no playing time - has already happened with Larin (Bruges) and Laryea (Forest), and if
    Johnston, Koné, and Miller also move, as is rumoured, their development could stagnate.


    Also linking into this (and alluded to further up the thread) - unless the United 2026 hosts pull a rabbit out of the hat with invitations to more prestigious tournaments than the Gold Cup they're all going to have limited competitive football, which
    surely can't help development.

    RM

    David is allegedly sought after by bigger clubs than Lille, but I don't think he is ready yet (if ever) and would also moulder on the bench.
    no one normal is picking a player from Serbian league. Some of them are gloating because Red Star is hated since it's a privileged club.

    Second, and I wrote this before, he said he wasn't born in Croatia, but Serbian Krajina
    which was the name for occupied territory during the war here, and he
    also called Dalmatia Serbian.
    It's his own fault, unnecessarily bringing politics and putting a
    pressure on himself,
    today some of our fans were provoking him with "Borjan, Ustasha", he replied with infamous 3 Serbian fingers https://twitter.com/IvanMarkoti2/status/1596930301334155265


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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 23:20:48 2022
    On 28.11.2022. 21:04, MH wrote:


    2) He is not as agile or fast at getting down to shots as he used to be

    I've seen this mentioned and I guess we exploited it well.

    He was actually quite solid for Canada in qualification, to be fair. But
    he was always a risk.  I think a better keeper would have saved the
    first two Croatia goals. They were not unstoppable.

    First goal definitely, possibly 2nd one, not an expert to say, but interestingly and very unlucky for Canada,
    with all 4 goals some Canadian player was nutmeged.

    Few years ago when Borjan was carrying Red Star to CL and was one of
    their key players it could have been a different story,
    back then I couldn't even imagine we'd have him on the other side on the
    World Cup.

    Here's one more interesting story about him, his grandma https://www.index.hr/magazin/clanak/baka-milana-borjana-bila-sam-ljuta-sto-ces-spominjati-krajinu-baba-ti-je-hrvatica/2416032.aspx
    is a Croatian and said she was immediately mad at him for even
    mentioning Krajina,
    his dad is half Croat and half Serb and he turned out to be a radical
    Serb, this is pure Balkan insanity.
    Maybe because of his Croatian roots he needs to "prove" to Serbs he is a
    bigger Serb than them, usually goes like that.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Tue Nov 29 02:55:56 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:59:08 AM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:49:20 AM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 4:38:51 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    If Japan and Spain win we lose Costa Rica and Germany.


    Against the run of play, Costa Rica takes the lead with about 10 minutes to go. And there were celebrations all over the land, from San Jose to Alajuela, and from Munich to Berlin.
    FT Japan 0 - Costa Rica 1

    Game seemed to be headed for a draw until Fuller’s brilliant curling shot bested Gonda (he was able to palm it but only into the net).

    With Spain to come this might be a massive missed opportunity for Japan.

    All credit to the Japanese fans for chanting till the very end.

    RM

    How did Japan manage to beat Germany and then lose against Costa Rica!!?

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Mark on Tue Nov 29 05:49:46 2022
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 5:55:58 AM UTC-5, Mark wrote:

    How did Japan manage to beat Germany and then lose against Costa Rica!!?

    Japan is a good team and could reasonably be perceived to be a dark horse. They beat Germany because Germany was terrible at finishing their chances, and they were brilliant. Against Costa Rica, they struggled to do much against a low-block defense, and
    conceded on the only shot in the box they allowed to the Ticos.

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