1 - Alisson (GK), Liverpool FC - ENG
2 - Danilo (DF), Juventus - ITA
3 - Thiago Silva (DF), Chelsea - ENG
4 - Marquinhos (DF), PSG - FRA
5 - Casemiro (MF), Manchester United - ENG
6 - Alex Sandro (DF), Juventus - ITA
7 - Lucas Paquetá (MF), West Ham United - ENG
8 - Fred (MF), Manchester United - ENG
9 - Richarlison (FW), Tottenham Hotspur - ENG
10 - Neymar (FW), PSG - FRA
11 - Raphinha (FW), FC Barcelona - ESP
12 - Weverton (GK), Palmeiras
13 - Dani Alves (DF), Pumas UNAM - MEX
14 - Éder Militão (DF), Real Madrid - ESP
15 - Fabinho (MF), Liverpool FC - ENG
16 - Alex Telles (DF), Sevilla FC - ESP
17 - Bruno Guimarães (MF), Newcastle United - ENG
18 - Antony (FW), Manchester United - ENG
19 - Gabriel Jesus (FW), Arsenal - ENG
20 - Vinícius Jr. (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
21 - Rodrygo (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
22 - Bremer (DF), Juventus - ITA
23 - Ederson (GK), Manchester City - ENG
24 - Gabriel Martinelli (FW), Arsenal - ENG
25 - Pedro (FW), Flamengo
26 - Everton Ribeiro (MF), Flamengo

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

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On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:26:06 PM UTC-5, jesus...@gmail.com wrote:

1 - Alisson (GK), Liverpool FC - ENG
2 - Danilo (DF), Juventus - ITA
3 - Thiago Silva (DF), Chelsea - ENG
4 - Marquinhos (DF), PSG - FRA
5 - Casemiro (MF), Manchester United - ENG
6 - Alex Sandro (DF), Juventus - ITA
7 - Lucas Paquetá (MF), West Ham United - ENG
8 - Fred (MF), Manchester United - ENG
9 - Richarlison (FW), Tottenham Hotspur - ENG
10 - Neymar (FW), PSG - FRA
11 - Raphinha (FW), FC Barcelona - ESP
12 - Weverton (GK), Palmeiras
13 - Dani Alves (DF), Pumas UNAM - MEX
14 - Éder Militão (DF), Real Madrid - ESP
15 - Fabinho (MF), Liverpool FC - ENG
16 - Alex Telles (DF), Sevilla FC - ESP
17 - Bruno Guimarães (MF), Newcastle United - ENG
18 - Antony (FW), Manchester United - ENG
19 - Gabriel Jesus (FW), Arsenal - ENG
20 - Vinícius Jr. (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
21 - Rodrygo (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
22 - Bremer (DF), Juventus - ITA
23 - Ederson (GK), Manchester City - ENG
24 - Gabriel Martinelli (FW), Arsenal - ENG
25 - Pedro (FW), Flamengo
26 - Everton Ribeiro (MF), Flamengo

Wait, they are now allowed 26 man squads? Or will this be trimmed to 23?

(I know, I know, "let me google this for you...")

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Futbolmetrix wrote:

Wait, they are now allowed 26 man squads? Or will this be trimmed
to 23?

This year, World Cup squads are 26 players... it was increased from
23 by FIFA.

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In article <d9ca7167-9705-4b66-b169-0bdcb7b57bf8n@googlegroups.com>, Futbolmetrix <daniele.paserman@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:26:06 PM UTC-5, jesus...@gmail.com wrote:

1 - Alisson (GK), Liverpool FC - ENG
2 - Danilo (DF), Juventus - ITA
3 - Thiago Silva (DF), Chelsea - ENG
4 - Marquinhos (DF), PSG - FRA
5 - Casemiro (MF), Manchester United - ENG
6 - Alex Sandro (DF), Juventus - ITA
7 - Lucas Paquetá (MF), West Ham United - ENG
8 - Fred (MF), Manchester United - ENG
9 - Richarlison (FW), Tottenham Hotspur - ENG
10 - Neymar (FW), PSG - FRA
11 - Raphinha (FW), FC Barcelona - ESP
12 - Weverton (GK), Palmeiras
13 - Dani Alves (DF), Pumas UNAM - MEX
14 - Éder Militão (DF), Real Madrid - ESP
15 - Fabinho (MF), Liverpool FC - ENG
16 - Alex Telles (DF), Sevilla FC - ESP
17 - Bruno Guimarães (MF), Newcastle United - ENG
18 - Antony (FW), Manchester United - ENG
19 - Gabriel Jesus (FW), Arsenal - ENG
20 - Vinícius Jr. (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
21 - Rodrygo (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
22 - Bremer (DF), Juventus - ITA
23 - Ederson (GK), Manchester City - ENG
24 - Gabriel Martinelli (FW), Arsenal - ENG
25 - Pedro (FW), Flamengo
26 - Everton Ribeiro (MF), Flamengo

Wait, they are now allowed 26 man squads? Or will this be trimmed to 23?

(I know, I know, "let me google this for you...")

2nd Tim I have seen 26!

Canada also declared.
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On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:26:06 PM UTC-6, jesus...@gmail.com wrote:

1 - Alisson (GK), Liverpool FC - ENG
2 - Danilo (DF), Juventus - ITA
3 - Thiago Silva (DF), Chelsea - ENG
4 - Marquinhos (DF), PSG - FRA
5 - Casemiro (MF), Manchester United - ENG
6 - Alex Sandro (DF), Juventus - ITA
7 - Lucas Paquetá (MF), West Ham United - ENG
8 - Fred (MF), Manchester United - ENG
9 - Richarlison (FW), Tottenham Hotspur - ENG
10 - Neymar (FW), PSG - FRA
11 - Raphinha (FW), FC Barcelona - ESP
12 - Weverton (GK), Palmeiras
13 - Dani Alves (DF), Pumas UNAM - MEX
14 - Éder Militão (DF), Real Madrid - ESP
15 - Fabinho (MF), Liverpool FC - ENG
16 - Alex Telles (DF), Sevilla FC - ESP
17 - Bruno Guimarães (MF), Newcastle United - ENG
18 - Antony (FW), Manchester United - ENG
19 - Gabriel Jesus (FW), Arsenal - ENG
20 - Vinícius Jr. (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
21 - Rodrygo (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
22 - Bremer (DF), Juventus - ITA
23 - Ederson (GK), Manchester City - ENG
24 - Gabriel Martinelli (FW), Arsenal - ENG
25 - Pedro (FW), Flamengo
26 - Everton Ribeiro (MF), Flamengo

Is not bringingn in Firmino a mistake? The attack is loaded!!! Why so many oldies in defense? Dani Alves?

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LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:26:06 PM UTC-6, jesus...@gmail.com wrote:

1 - Alisson (GK), Liverpool FC - ENG
2 - Danilo (DF), Juventus - ITA
3 - Thiago Silva (DF), Chelsea - ENG
4 - Marquinhos (DF), PSG - FRA
5 - Casemiro (MF), Manchester United - ENG
6 - Alex Sandro (DF), Juventus - ITA
7 - Lucas Paquetá (MF), West Ham United - ENG
8 - Fred (MF), Manchester United - ENG
9 - Richarlison (FW), Tottenham Hotspur - ENG
10 - Neymar (FW), PSG - FRA
11 - Raphinha (FW), FC Barcelona - ESP
12 - Weverton (GK), Palmeiras
13 - Dani Alves (DF), Pumas UNAM - MEX
14 - Éder Militão (DF), Real Madrid - ESP
15 - Fabinho (MF), Liverpool FC - ENG
16 - Alex Telles (DF), Sevilla FC - ESP
17 - Bruno Guimarães (MF), Newcastle United - ENG
18 - Antony (FW), Manchester United - ENG
19 - Gabriel Jesus (FW), Arsenal - ENG
20 - Vinícius Jr. (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
21 - Rodrygo (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
22 - Bremer (DF), Juventus - ITA
23 - Ederson (GK), Manchester City - ENG
24 - Gabriel Martinelli (FW), Arsenal - ENG
25 - Pedro (FW), Flamengo
26 - Everton Ribeiro (MF), Flamengo

Is not bringing in Firmino a mistake?

Is there not enough strikers there for you?!

Why so many oldies in defense? Dani Alves?

With age comes experience...

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On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:13:49 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

Wait, they are now allowed 26 man squads? Or will this be trimmed
to 23?

This year, World Cup squads are 26 players... it was increased from
23 by FIFA.

Is that a temporary measure because of the Covid 19 pandemic?

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On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:43:34 PM UTC+1, Mark wrote:

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:13:49 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

Wait, they are now allowed 26 man squads? Or will this be trimmed
to 23?

This year, World Cup squads are 26 players... it was increased from
23 by FIFA.

Is that a temporary measure because of the Covid 19 pandemic?

In FIFA speak it's necessary because of the 'unique timing' of the World Cup
as well as 'the broader context of the disruptive effects caused by the COVID-19 pandemic'.

Probably as 'temporary' as the five subs.

Ciao,
Werner

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On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:26:06 PM UTC+2, jesus...@gmail.com wrote:

1 - Alisson (GK), Liverpool FC - ENG
2 - Danilo (DF), Juventus - ITA
3 - Thiago Silva (DF), Chelsea - ENG
4 - Marquinhos (DF), PSG - FRA
5 - Casemiro (MF), Manchester United - ENG
6 - Alex Sandro (DF), Juventus - ITA
7 - Lucas Paquetá (MF), West Ham United - ENG
8 - Fred (MF), Manchester United - ENG
9 - Richarlison (FW), Tottenham Hotspur - ENG
10 - Neymar (FW), PSG - FRA
11 - Raphinha (FW), FC Barcelona - ESP
12 - Weverton (GK), Palmeiras
13 - Dani Alves (DF), Pumas UNAM - MEX
14 - Éder Militão (DF), Real Madrid - ESP
15 - Fabinho (MF), Liverpool FC - ENG
16 - Alex Telles (DF), Sevilla FC - ESP
17 - Bruno Guimarães (MF), Newcastle United - ENG
18 - Antony (FW), Manchester United - ENG
19 - Gabriel Jesus (FW), Arsenal - ENG
20 - Vinícius Jr. (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
21 - Rodrygo (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
22 - Bremer (DF), Juventus - ITA
23 - Ederson (GK), Manchester City - ENG
24 - Gabriel Martinelli (FW), Arsenal - ENG
25 - Pedro (FW), Flamengo
26 - Everton Ribeiro (MF), Flamengo

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

Jesitser, Futitser, Bluitser et al.

23 Straneri and only 3 Brazilians?! IF the 23 were “forced” to stay home, wouldn’t they (plus locals) form the 4 best clubs in the world? Methinks so. On the other hand, wouldn’t it be possible to witness another traumatic loss to some Aryanist
team, as in 2014? Paradoxes…

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Ion Saliu wrote:

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:26:06 PM UTC+2, jesus...@gmail.com
wrote:

1 - Alisson (GK), Liverpool FC - ENG
2 - Danilo (DF), Juventus - ITA
3 - Thiago Silva (DF), Chelsea - ENG
4 - Marquinhos (DF), PSG - FRA
5 - Casemiro (MF), Manchester United - ENG
6 - Alex Sandro (DF), Juventus - ITA
7 - Lucas Paquetá (MF), West Ham United - ENG
8 - Fred (MF), Manchester United - ENG
9 - Richarlison (FW), Tottenham Hotspur - ENG
10 - Neymar (FW), PSG - FRA
11 - Raphinha (FW), FC Barcelona - ESP
12 - Weverton (GK), Palmeiras
13 - Dani Alves (DF), Pumas UNAM - MEX
14 - Éder Militão (DF), Real Madrid - ESP
15 - Fabinho (MF), Liverpool FC - ENG
16 - Alex Telles (DF), Sevilla FC - ESP
17 - Bruno Guimarães (MF), Newcastle United - ENG
18 - Antony (FW), Manchester United - ENG
19 - Gabriel Jesus (FW), Arsenal - ENG
20 - Vinícius Jr. (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
21 - Rodrygo (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
22 - Bremer (DF), Juventus - ITA
23 - Ederson (GK), Manchester City - ENG
24 - Gabriel Martinelli (FW), Arsenal - ENG
25 - Pedro (FW), Flamengo
26 - Everton Ribeiro (MF), Flamengo

Jesitser, Futitser, Bluitser et al.

23 Straneri and only 3 Brazilians?! IF the 23 were “forced” to stay
home, wouldn’t they (plus locals) form the 4 best clubs in the
world? Methinks so. On the other hand, wouldn’t it be possible to
witness another traumatic loss to some Aryanist team, as in 2014? Paradoxes…

Well, I did notice that most of the players in the 2022 Brazilian
World Cup squad play their club football in Europe, with 12 of them
playing in the [English] Premier League. Which kind of defeats Mark's
argument about what are considered the BIG leagues. The Brasileiro
Série A only supplies three players to the squad! But I didn't really
want to point it out as it might have been seen as being ungracious!
;-)

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Mark wrote:

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:13:49 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

Wait, they are now allowed 26 man squads? Or will this be
trimmed to 23?

This year, World Cup squads are 26 players... it was increased
from 23 by FIFA.

Is that a temporary measure because of the Covid 19 pandemic?

FIFA said that the decision to change the squad size was made because
of a the need for additional flexibility due to the different timing
of this year's tournament, although the Covid-19 pandemic was also a
factor.

Whether the squads remain at 26 players for the next World Cup in
North America or revert to the standard 23 man squads remains to be
seen.

This year 15 substitutes can be named on the bench too, which is
another change. (Up from 12.) With five substitutions being allowed
from those 15.

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On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:29:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Some other WC squads announcement dates

November 9: USA, Wales, France, Croatia, Switzerland

GK:
Yann Sommer (Mönchengladbach)
Gregor Kobel (Borussia Dortmund)
Jonas Omlin (Montpellier)
Philipp Köhn (Salzburg)

DF:
Manuel Akanji (Manchester City)
Eray Cömert (Valencia)
Nico Elvedi (Mönchengladbach)
Ricardo Rodríguez (Torino)
Fabian Schär (Newcastle)
Silvan Widmer (Mainz)
Edimilson Fernandes (Mainz)

MF:
Michel Aebischer (Bologna)
Fabian Frei (Basel)
Remo Freuler (Nottingham Forest)
Ardon Jashari (Luzern)
Fabian Rieder (Young Boys)
Djibril Sow (Eintracht Frankfurt)
Granit Xhaka (Arsenal)
Denis Zakaria (Chelsea)
Xherdan Shaqiri (Chicago Fire)
Renato Steffen (Lugano)

FW:
Breel Embolo (Monaco)
Christian Fassnacht (Young Boys)
Noah Okafor (Salzburg)
Haris Seferović (Galatasaray)
Ruben Vargas (Augsburg)



Ciao,
Werner

November 10: England, Poland, Germany, Belgium, Portugal
November 11: Spain
November 12: South Korea
November 13: Canada

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On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:26:06 PM UTC-5, jesus...@gmail.com wrote:

1 - Alisson (GK), Liverpool FC - ENG
2 - Danilo (DF), Juventus - ITA
3 - Thiago Silva (DF), Chelsea - ENG
4 - Marquinhos (DF), PSG - FRA
5 - Casemiro (MF), Manchester United - ENG
6 - Alex Sandro (DF), Juventus - ITA
7 - Lucas Paquetá (MF), West Ham United - ENG
8 - Fred (MF), Manchester United - ENG
9 - Richarlison (FW), Tottenham Hotspur - ENG
10 - Neymar (FW), PSG - FRA
11 - Raphinha (FW), FC Barcelona - ESP
12 - Weverton (GK), Palmeiras
13 - Dani Alves (DF), Pumas UNAM - MEX
14 - Éder Militão (DF), Real Madrid - ESP
15 - Fabinho (MF), Liverpool FC - ENG
16 - Alex Telles (DF), Sevilla FC - ESP
17 - Bruno Guimarães (MF), Newcastle United - ENG
18 - Antony (FW), Manchester United - ENG
19 - Gabriel Jesus (FW), Arsenal - ENG
20 - Vinícius Jr. (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
21 - Rodrygo (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
22 - Bremer (DF), Juventus - ITA
23 - Ederson (GK), Manchester City - ENG
24 - Gabriel Martinelli (FW), Arsenal - ENG
25 - Pedro (FW), Flamengo
26 - Everton Ribeiro (MF), Flamengo

Some other WC squads announcement dates


November 9: USA, Wales, France, Croatia, Switzerland
November 10: England, Poland, Germany, Belgium, Portugal
November 11: Spain
November 12: South Korea
November 13: Canada

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On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:29:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Some other WC squads announcement dates

November 9: USA, Wales, France, Croatia,

GK:
Dominik Livaković (Dinamo Zagreb)
Ivica Ivušić (Osijek)
Ivo Grbić (Atlético Madrid)

DF:
Domagoj Vida (AEK)
Dejan Lovren (Zenit)
Borna Barišić (Rangers)
Josip Juranović (Celtic)
Joško Gvardiol (RB Leipzig)
Borna Sosa (Stuttgart)
Josip Stanišić (Bayern)
Martin Erlić (Sassuolo)
Josip Šutalo (Dinamo Zagreb)

MF:
Luka Modrić (Real Madrid)
Mateo Kovačić (Chelsea)
Marcelo Brozović (Inter)
Mario Pašalić (Atalanta)
Nikola Vlašić (Torino)
Lovro Majer (Rennes)
Kristijan Jakić (Eintracht Frankfurt)
Luka Sučić (Salzburg)

FW:
Ivan Perišić (Tottenham)
Andrej Kramarić (Hoffenheim),
Bruno Petković (Dinamo Zagreb)
Mislav Oršić (Dinamo Zagreb)
Ante Budimir (Osasuna)
Marko Livaja (Hajduk Split)


Ciao,
Werner

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On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 10:04:32 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:29:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Some other WC squads announcement dates

November 9: USA, Wales, France, Croatia, Switzerland

GK:
Yann Sommer (Mönchengladbach)
Gregor Kobel (Borussia Dortmund)
Jonas Omlin (Montpellier)
Philipp Köhn (Salzburg)

Four goalkeepers? I would hope that at least one is a pure PK-specialist whose only role is to come in for shootouts.

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On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 4:40:01 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 10:04:32 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:29:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Some other WC squads announcement dates

November 9: USA, Wales, France, Croatia, Switzerland

GK:
Yann Sommer (Mönchengladbach)
Gregor Kobel (Borussia Dortmund)
Jonas Omlin (Montpellier)
Philipp Köhn (Salzburg)

Four goalkeepers? I would hope that at least one is a pure PK-specialist whose only role is to come in for shootouts.

Sommer is the designated number one but still nursing an ankle injury.
Yakin said in the press conference that they've decided to call up three other keepers to offset the injury risk they're taking because of him, and that 22 outfield
players are enough anyway.


Ciao,
Werner

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On 9.11.2022. 15:58, Werner Pichler wrote:

FW:
Ivan Perišić (Tottenham)
Andrej Kramarić (Hoffenheim),
Bruno Petković (Dinamo Zagreb)
Mislav Oršić (Dinamo Zagreb)
Ante Budimir (Osasuna)
Marko Livaja (Hajduk Split)

This could have been written in 1 line: Perisic and card game buddies.

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On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:29:31 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

November 9: France,

GK:
Areola, Lloris, Mandanda

DF:
L. Hernandez, Theo Hernandez, Kimpembe, Koundé. Konaté, Pavard, Saliba, Upamecano, Varane

MF: Camavinga, Fofana, Guendouzi, Rabiot, Tchouaméni, Veretout

FW: Benzema, Coman, Dembélé, Giroud, Griezmann, Mbappé, Nkunku.

Only 25 players for Deschamps. Go figure

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On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:29:31 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

November 9: USA,

GOALKEEPERS (3): Ethan Horvath (Luton Town/ENG; 8/0; Highlands Ranch, Colo.), Sean Johnson (New York City FC; 10/0; Lilburn, Ga.), Matt Turner (Arsenal/ENG; 20/0; Park Ridge, N.J.)

DEFENDERS (9): Cameron Carter-Vickers (Celtic/SCO; 11/0; Southend-on-Sea, England), Sergiño Dest (AC Milan/ITA; 19/2; Almere, Netherlands), Aaron Long (New York Red Bulls; 29/3; Oak Hills, Calif.), Shaq Moore (Nashville SC; 15/1; Powder Springs, Ga.),
Tim Ream (Fulham/ENG; 46/1; St. Louis, Mo.), Antonee Robinson (Fulham/ENG; 29/2; Liverpool, England), Joe Scally (Borussia Mönchengladbach/GER; 3/0; Lake Grove, N.Y.), DeAndre Yedlin (Inter Miami CF; 75/0; Seattle, Wash.), Walker Zimmerman (Nashville SC;
33/3; Lawrenceville, Ga.)

MIDFIELDERS (7): Brenden Aaronson (Leeds United/ENG; 24/6; Medford, N.J.), Kellyn Acosta (LAFC; 53/2; Plano, Texas), Tyler Adams (Leeds United/ENG; 32/1; Wappingers Falls, N.Y.), Luca de la Torre (Celta Vigo/ESP; 12/0; San Diego, Calif.), Weston McKennie
(Juventus/ITA; 37/9; Little Elm, Texas), Yunus Musah (Valencia/ESP; 19/0; London, England), Cristian Roldan (Seattle Sounders FC; 32/0; Pico Rivera, Calif.)

FORWARDS (7): Jesús Ferreira (FC Dallas; 15/7; McKinney, Texas), Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders; 49/11; Mercer Island, Wash.), Christian Pulisic (Chelsea/ENG; 52/21; Hershey, Pa.), Gio Reyna (Borussia Dortmund/GER; 14/4; Bedford, N.Y.), Josh Sargent (
Norwich City/ENG; 20/5; O’Fallon, Mo.), Tim Weah (Lille/FRA; 25/3; Rosedale, N.Y.), Haji Wright (Antalyaspor/TUR; 3/1; Los Angeles, Calif.)

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Futbolmetrix wrote:

Four goalkeepers? I would hope that at least one is a pure PK-specialist >whose only role is to come in for shootouts.

Not a tactic I'd recommend! ;-)

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On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:12:21 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Ion Saliu wrote:

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:26:06 PM UTC+2, jesus...@gmail.com
wrote:

1 - Alisson (GK), Liverpool FC - ENG
2 - Danilo (DF), Juventus - ITA
3 - Thiago Silva (DF), Chelsea - ENG
4 - Marquinhos (DF), PSG - FRA
5 - Casemiro (MF), Manchester United - ENG
6 - Alex Sandro (DF), Juventus - ITA
7 - Lucas Paquetá (MF), West Ham United - ENG
8 - Fred (MF), Manchester United - ENG
9 - Richarlison (FW), Tottenham Hotspur - ENG
10 - Neymar (FW), PSG - FRA
11 - Raphinha (FW), FC Barcelona - ESP
12 - Weverton (GK), Palmeiras
13 - Dani Alves (DF), Pumas UNAM - MEX
14 - Éder Militão (DF), Real Madrid - ESP
15 - Fabinho (MF), Liverpool FC - ENG
16 - Alex Telles (DF), Sevilla FC - ESP
17 - Bruno Guimarães (MF), Newcastle United - ENG
18 - Antony (FW), Manchester United - ENG
19 - Gabriel Jesus (FW), Arsenal - ENG
20 - Vinícius Jr. (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
21 - Rodrygo (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
22 - Bremer (DF), Juventus - ITA
23 - Ederson (GK), Manchester City - ENG
24 - Gabriel Martinelli (FW), Arsenal - ENG
25 - Pedro (FW), Flamengo
26 - Everton Ribeiro (MF), Flamengo

Jesitser, Futitser, Bluitser et al.

23 Straneri and only 3 Brazilians?! IF the 23 were “forced” to stay home, wouldn’t they (plus locals) form the 4 best clubs in the
world? Methinks so. On the other hand, wouldn’t it be possible to witness another traumatic loss to some Aryanist team, as in 2014? Paradoxes…

Well, I did notice that most of the players in the 2022 Brazilian
World Cup squad play their club football in Europe, with 12 of them
playing in the [English] Premier League. Which kind of defeats Mark's argument about what are considered the BIG leagues. The Brasileiro
Série A only supplies three players to the squad! But I didn't really
want to point it out as it might have been seen as being ungracious!
;-)

Hmmm, how many of the so-called big 5 European leagues did Pele, the best player ever, play in? Or Alberto Spencer? Or, to give a more recent example, Rogerio Ceni?

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On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 10:24:11 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

Four goalkeepers? I would hope that at least one is a pure PK-specialist >whose only role is to come in for shootouts.

Not a tactic I'd recommend! ;-)

At least it makes more sense than France's apparent strategy of only taking 25 players in total. :-)

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On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:26:06 PM UTC+2, jesus...@gmail.com wrote:

1 - Alisson (GK), Liverpool FC - ENG
2 - Danilo (DF), Juventus - ITA
3 - Thiago Silva (DF), Chelsea - ENG
4 - Marquinhos (DF), PSG - FRA
5 - Casemiro (MF), Manchester United - ENG
6 - Alex Sandro (DF), Juventus - ITA
7 - Lucas Paquetá (MF), West Ham United - ENG
8 - Fred (MF), Manchester United - ENG
9 - Richarlison (FW), Tottenham Hotspur - ENG
10 - Neymar (FW), PSG - FRA
11 - Raphinha (FW), FC Barcelona - ESP
12 - Weverton (GK), Palmeiras
13 - Dani Alves (DF), Pumas UNAM - MEX
14 - Éder Militão (DF), Real Madrid - ESP
15 - Fabinho (MF), Liverpool FC - ENG
16 - Alex Telles (DF), Sevilla FC - ESP
17 - Bruno Guimarães (MF), Newcastle United - ENG
18 - Antony (FW), Manchester United - ENG
19 - Gabriel Jesus (FW), Arsenal - ENG
20 - Vinícius Jr. (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
21 - Rodrygo (FW), Real Madrid - ESP
22 - Bremer (DF), Juventus - ITA
23 - Ederson (GK), Manchester City - ENG
24 - Gabriel Martinelli (FW), Arsenal - ENG
25 - Pedro (FW), Flamengo
26 - Everton Ribeiro (MF), Flamengo

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

Weritser, Futitser, Veditser, M’ritser et al.

Look again at the subject line. Unless attention deficit (AD) is called into question, keep it to Brazil’s team at the 2022 World Cup. Start pertinent threads regarding other national teams.

Of course, the GOAT, Pelé, is not a member of the 2022 Brazil national team. Unless in the imagination of an AD…

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Mark wrote:

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:12:21 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Ion Saliu wrote:

Jesitser, Futitser, Bluitser et al.

23 Straneri and only 3 Brazilians?! IF the 23 were “forced” to stay >>>home, wouldn’t they (plus locals) form the 4 best clubs in the
world? Methinks so. On the other hand, wouldn’t it be possible to >>>witness another traumatic loss to some Aryanist team, as in 2014? >>>Paradoxes…

Well, I did notice that most of the players in the 2022 Brazilian
World Cup squad play their club football in Europe, with 12 of them
playing in the [English] Premier League. Which kind of defeats Mark's >>argument about what are considered the BIG leagues. The Brasileiro
Série A only supplies three players to the squad! But I didn't really
want to point it out as it might have been seen as being ungracious!
;-)

Hmmm, how many of the so-called big 5 European leagues did Pele, the best

player ever, play in? Or Alberto Spencer? Or, to give a more

recent example, Rogerio Ceni?

Well for a start, Pele's career pre-dates the 'current' top five Leagues
as the English and French leagues were most certainly not a glamorous
place to be in those days. So you are comparing Apples and Oranges. We are talking about 2022 not 1970.

Also, Pele became a household name around the world because of the
Brazilian national sides accomplishments in international tournaments, not because Santos were a top South American club side. Football on TV back in
the late 60's/early70's wasn't the wall-to-wall coverage like we have
today. Most people - outside of Brazil - would never have seen a Santos
game live, even if the Brazilian league back then was a 'top' league.
Which it probably was.

Regardless, the fact that the Brasileiro provides only THREE players to
the Brazilian national side for the 2022 World Cup tells you all you need
to know about the status of league today. What YOU think is up to you. But rather than try and say the World is flat, I'd just go with the flow if I
was you...

So get the beers stocked up in the fridge ready for the World Cup and be
ready to cheer when Brazil or Argentina knock England out of the World
Cup! My prediction is a Brazil v Germany Final.

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Blueshirt escreveu:

Mark wrote:

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:12:21 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Ion Saliu wrote:

Jesitser, Futitser, Bluitser et al.

23 Straneri and only 3 Brazilians?! IF the 23 were “forced” to stay >>>home, wouldn’t they (plus locals) form the 4 best clubs in the >>>world? Methinks so. On the other hand, wouldn’t it be possible to >>>witness another traumatic loss to some Aryanist team, as in 2014? >>>Paradoxes…

Well, I did notice that most of the players in the 2022 Brazilian
World Cup squad play their club football in Europe, with 12 of them >>playing in the [English] Premier League. Which kind of defeats Mark's >>argument about what are considered the BIG leagues. The Brasileiro >>Série A only supplies three players to the squad! But I didn't really >>want to point it out as it might have been seen as being ungracious!
;-)

Hmmm, how many of the so-called big 5 European leagues did Pele, the best >player ever, play in? Or Alberto Spencer? Or, to give a more
recent example, Rogerio Ceni?

Well for a start, Pele's career pre-dates the 'current' top five Leagues
as the English and French leagues were most certainly not a glamorous
place to be in those days. So you are comparing Apples and Oranges. We are talking about 2022 not 1970.

Also, Pele became a household name around the world because of the
Brazilian national sides accomplishments in international tournaments, not because Santos were a top South American club side. Football on TV back in the late 60's/early70's wasn't the wall-to-wall coverage like we have
today. Most people - outside of Brazil - would never have seen a Santos
game live, even if the Brazilian league back then was a 'top' league.
Which it probably was.

Technically Brasil didn't even have a national league in the 1960's. Football was organized at state level, and there was a national cup for the state league winners. This was due to the difficulties caused by the size of the country
and the lack of integration between its regions, which made travel too costly for football.

In the late 50's there began the more serious attempts to make a nationwide football tournament. The national cup ("Taça Brasil") above mentioned was created
in 1959. The two main leagues, those of Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo, created a
joint tournament for its bigger clubs, known as "Torneio Rio-São Paulo". That tournament, some years later, began to include teams from other states. On
the wake of this tournament and the aforementioned cup came, eventually, the Campeonato Brasileiro, in 1971.

Since back then players moved abroad much less than they do nowadays, and national teams wouldn't call them up if they were in a foreign club, talent tended to stay concentrated locally, and mostly in Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo
clubs. So, although there was no national league, the two state leagues were strong enough to supply three World Cup winning sides. Nowadays they still exist,
but are very, very far away from that level.

Regardless, the fact that the Brasileiro provides only THREE players to
the Brazilian national side for the 2022 World Cup tells you all you need
to know about the status of league today. What YOU think is up to you. But rather than try and say the World is flat, I'd just go with the flow if I was you...

In fact, the Brasileiro has been supplying a steady 3 per cup for the Brazilian
squad since 2006, plus a few more for the other South American teams (4 in 2006, 3 in 2010, 7 in 2014, 6 in 2018), excepting Argentina, which had only Tevez and Mascherano in 2006 as Brazilian-based players.

Those other South American teams, in turn, tend to be mostly foreign-based
as well.

The last time Brasil had a mostly domestic squad was in 2002, with 13 domestic and 10 foreign based players. However, that was not true for the starting XI, in which the only locally based players were Marcos, Gilberto Silva and Juninho,
later replaced by Kleberson. The only foreign-based players called up for the subs bench were Junior and Denilson.

If we tried such a thing nowadays (a domestic-foreign 13-10 split I mean)... let's just say the team wouldn't get too far.

So get the beers stocked up in the fridge ready for the World Cup and be ready to cheer when Brazil or Argentina knock England out of the World
Cup! My prediction is a Brazil v Germany Final.

Do you think England could repeat 2018?

I still see France as the team to beat, but it's definitely doable. Brasil
and Argentina are coming in strong too, IMHO.


Best regards,

Lléo

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On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:51:25 AM UTC+1, Mark wrote:

Hmmm, how many of the so-called big 5 European leagues did Pele, the best player ever, play in? Or Alberto Spencer? Or, to
give a more recent example, Rogerio Ceni?

How many World Cup minutes have the latter two played?

Ciao,
Werner

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Lléo wrote:

Blueshirt escreveu:

So get the beers stocked up in the fridge ready for the World Cup
and be ready to cheer when Brazil or Argentina knock England out
of the World Cup!

My prediction is a Brazil v Germany Final.

Do you think England could repeat 2018?

Being honest, I think England are overrated... they are a good side
but for me not potential winners. I think it'll be glorious failure
at the QF or SF stage.

Of course, if you watch the likes of Sky Sports - even though they
have no World Cup matches - then "it's coming home"... but I don't
see it.

If England match their fourth place finish from Russia 2018, or
exceed it, then they will have done well.

I still see France as the team to beat, but it's definitely doable.
Brasil and Argentina are coming in strong too, IMHO.

I grew up in an era when you could never write Brazil off at any
World Cup. David Luiz contributed to destroying that belief in one
World Cup, but it's still an adage that we still maintain at
Blueshirt HQ in the run-up to a World Cup. So I'm going Brazil to win
it!

I'm not sure how much the middle-east climate will help, but if the temperatures in Qatar don't drop too much it might suit the South
American teams. That's the theory in my head anyway!

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On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 8:26:04 AM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:51:25 AM UTC+1, Mark wrote:

Hmmm, how many of the so-called big 5 European leagues did Pele, the best player ever, play in? Or Alberto Spencer? Or, to
give a more recent example, Rogerio Ceni?

How many World Cup minutes have the latter two played?

Ciao,
Werner

Exactly. They're famous because they played for top teams in 2 of the top leagues in the World.

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On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:27:24 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:12:21 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Ion Saliu wrote:

Jesitser, Futitser, Bluitser et al.

23 Straneri and only 3 Brazilians?! IF the 23 were “forced” to stay >>>home, wouldn’t they (plus locals) form the 4 best clubs in the >>>world? Methinks so. On the other hand, wouldn’t it be possible to >>>witness another traumatic loss to some Aryanist team, as in 2014? >>>Paradoxes…

Well, I did notice that most of the players in the 2022 Brazilian
World Cup squad play their club football in Europe, with 12 of them >>playing in the [English] Premier League. Which kind of defeats Mark's >>argument about what are considered the BIG leagues. The Brasileiro >>Série A only supplies three players to the squad! But I didn't really >>want to point it out as it might have been seen as being ungracious!
;-)

Hmmm, how many of the so-called big 5 European leagues did Pele, the best

player ever, play in? Or Alberto Spencer? Or, to give a more

recent example, Rogerio Ceni?

Well for a start, Pele's career pre-dates the 'current' top five Leagues
as the English and French leagues were most certainly not a glamorous
place to be in those days. So you are comparing Apples and Oranges. We are talking about 2022 not 1970.

Actually I'm talking about all time. The top leagues isn't like the weekly music charts, it's more like an all-time bestsellers list. If the Beatles don't sell any records this week it doesn't mean they're not 1 of the top selling bands anymore. The fact
that no Argentinean team reached the final of the Copa Libertadores or Club World Cup this year doesn't mean they're no longer 1 of the top leagues.

Also, Pele became a household name around the world because of the
Brazilian national sides accomplishments in international tournaments, not because Santos were a top South American club side. Football on TV back in the late 60's/early70's wasn't the wall-to-wall coverage like we have
today. Most people - outside of Brazil - would never have seen a Santos
game live, even if the Brazilian league back then was a 'top' league.
Which it probably was.

I think it had a lot to do with Santos winning 2 Copa Libertadores and 2 World Club Championships and 5 consecutive Taca Brasils aswell. And Santos went on several tours to cash in on Pele's fame, so a lot of people outside Brazil would have seen Santos
live. Until about 20 years ago, Santos were the most famous club in South America.

And Alberto Spencer and Rogerio Ceni's fame has almost nothing to do with their national team's accomplishments.

Regardless, the fact that the Brasileiro provides only THREE players to
the Brazilian national side for the 2022 World Cup tells you all you need
to know about the status of league today. What YOU think is up to you. But rather than try and say the World is flat, I'd just go with the flow if I was you...

There's more clubs with international prestige (even if most of it was gained last century) in the Brazilian and Argentinian Leagues than the French and English Leagues. Yes the Brazilian League hasn't got as many top players as it used to, but that
doesn't mean it's not 1 of the top leagues anymore. It just means other Leagues have caught up a bit.

So get the beers stocked up in the fridge ready for the World Cup and be ready to cheer when Brazil or Argentina knock England out of the World
Cup! My prediction is a Brazil v Germany Final.

My prediction was Argentina to beat Italy in the final. So I'll get the runners-up wrong. Argentina have got a decent chance of winning it though.

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On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 4:36:51 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:27:24 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:12:21 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Ion Saliu wrote:

Jesitser, Futitser, Bluitser et al.

23 Straneri and only 3 Brazilians?! IF the 23 were “forced” to stay >>>home, wouldn’t they (plus locals) form the 4 best clubs in the >>>world? Methinks so. On the other hand, wouldn’t it be possible to >>>witness another traumatic loss to some Aryanist team, as in 2014? >>>Paradoxes…

Well, I did notice that most of the players in the 2022 Brazilian >>World Cup squad play their club football in Europe, with 12 of them >>playing in the [English] Premier League. Which kind of defeats Mark's >>argument about what are considered the BIG leagues. The Brasileiro >>Série A only supplies three players to the squad! But I didn't really >>want to point it out as it might have been seen as being ungracious! >>;-)

Hmmm, how many of the so-called big 5 European leagues did Pele, the best

player ever, play in? Or Alberto Spencer? Or, to give a more

recent example, Rogerio Ceni?

Well for a start, Pele's career pre-dates the 'current' top five Leagues as the English and French leagues were most certainly not a glamorous place to be in those days. So you are comparing Apples and Oranges. We are talking about 2022 not 1970.

Actually I'm talking about all time. The top leagues isn't like the weekly music charts, it's more like an all-time bestsellers list. If the Beatles don't sell any records this week it doesn't mean they're not 1 of the top selling bands anymore. The

fact that no Argentinean team reached the final of the Copa Libertadores or Club World Cup this year doesn't mean they're no longer 1 of the top leagues.

Also, Pele became a household name around the world because of the Brazilian national sides accomplishments in international tournaments, not because Santos were a top South American club side. Football on TV back in the late 60's/early70's wasn't the wall-to-wall coverage like we have today. Most people - outside of Brazil - would never have seen a Santos game live, even if the Brazilian league back then was a 'top' league. Which it probably was.

I think it had a lot to do with Santos winning 2 Copa Libertadores and 2 World Club Championships and 5 consecutive Taca Brasils aswell. And Santos went on several tours to cash in on Pele's fame, so a lot of people outside Brazil would have seen

Santos live. Until about 20 years ago, Santos were the most famous club in South America.

And Alberto Spencer and Rogerio Ceni's fame has almost nothing to do with their national team's accomplishments.

Regardless, the fact that the Brasileiro provides only THREE players to the Brazilian national side for the 2022 World Cup tells you all you need to know about the status of league today. What YOU think is up to you. But rather than try and say the World is flat, I'd just go with the flow if I was you...

There's more clubs with international prestige (even if most of it was gained last century) in the Brazilian and Argentinian Leagues than the French and English Leagues. Yes the Brazilian League hasn't got as many top players as it used to, but that

doesn't mean it's not 1 of the top leagues anymore. It just means other Leagues have caught up a bit.

So get the beers stocked up in the fridge ready for the World Cup and be ready to cheer when Brazil or Argentina knock England out of the World Cup! My prediction is a Brazil v Germany Final.

My prediction was Argentina to beat Italy in the final. So I'll get the runners-up wrong. Argentina have got a decent chance of winning it though.

M’ritser:

Axiomático, you sez:

“Yes the Brazilian League hasn't got as many top players as it used to, but that doesn't mean it's not 1 of the top leagues anymore. It just means other Leagues have caught up a bit.”

I couldn’t disagree with you more — but not this time. For this time around I disagree with you 200%!

You don’t want to understand that MONEY dictates everything, including football. The BEST Brazilian footballers play for European Mega Clubs for Big Money. Only 3 players of Team Brazil 2022 play in the Brazilian national league. They are not good
enough (yet?) to attract the interest of the European Mega Clubs. Don’t be surprised to see all three (!) of them playing in Europe come this winter. Playing for Big Money, that is!

Come to terms with yourself, axiomático!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv27k8Vtltg

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Mark wrote:

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:27:24 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Regardless, the fact that the Brasileiro provides only THREE
players to the Brazilian national side for the 2022 World Cup tells
you all you need to know about the status of league today. What YOU
think is up to you. But rather than try and say the World is flat,
I'd just go with the flow if I was you...

There's more clubs with international prestige (even if most of it
was gained last century) in the Brazilian and Argentinian Leagues
than the French and English Leagues. Yes the Brazilian League hasn't
got as many top players as it used to, but that doesn't mean it's not
1 of the top leagues anymore. It just means other Leagues have caught
up a bit.

I understand the point that you [continually] make, but if you exclude
the English Premier League from your top five leagues, as you seem to
do, then your argument will always fall flat. As to most sensible
people the English Premier League is - at the moment anyway - a top
league by most criteria. Hating England is all well and fine, and half
the world probably hates them at any given time (if not more), but
ignoring the present reality of football in Europe is delusional.

You can't just wave away the fact that nearly half of Brazilian World
Cup squad plays their club football in England as meaningless and go on
about "international prestige" from decades ago. It's 2022, so why did
those twelve Brazilian players chose England as their destination to
play football and live with their families if the Brasileiro is such a
big league? Do they really like the rain of Manchester and London THAT
much?!

Your promotion of South American football is commendable though. Keep
it up, the RSS João Havelange Medal for bloody-mindedness awaits you!

So get the beers stocked up in the fridge ready for the World Cup
and be ready to cheer when Brazil or Argentina knock England out of
the World Cup! My prediction is a Brazil v Germany Final.

My prediction was Argentina to beat Italy in the final. So I'll get
the runners-up wrong. Argentina have got a decent chance of winning
it though.

Making predictions before teams actually qualify for a tournament is a
bit of a lottery. Although being fair, I expect most rational people
expected Italy to qualify too. I never thought Italy were as strong a
team as France or Germany though, but once Italy get in to the finals
of tournaments you just never know. Alas, twas not to be...

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On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 3:41:58 PM UTC+1, Mark wrote:

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 8:26:04 AM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:51:25 AM UTC+1, Mark wrote:

Hmmm, how many of the so-called big 5 European leagues did Pele, the best player ever, play in? Or Alberto Spencer? Or, to
give a more recent example, Rogerio Ceni?

How many World Cup minutes have the latter two played?

Exactly. They're famous because they played for top teams in 2 of the top leagues in the World.

Go out on the streets anywhere but South America and ask people if they are football fans, and if yes, if they know about Alberto Spencer.

Ciao,
Werner

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On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:50:47 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

Exactly. They're famous because they played for top teams in 2 of the top leagues in the World.

Go out on the streets anywhere but South America and ask people if they are football fans, and if yes, if they know about Alberto Spencer.

Do people who have been regulars on RSS for 20+ years count?

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On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 3:43:21 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:27:24 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Regardless, the fact that the Brasileiro provides only THREE
players to the Brazilian national side for the 2022 World Cup tells
you all you need to know about the status of league today. What YOU think is up to you. But rather than try and say the World is flat,
I'd just go with the flow if I was you...

There's more clubs with international prestige (even if most of it
was gained last century) in the Brazilian and Argentinian Leagues
than the French and English Leagues. Yes the Brazilian League hasn't
got as many top players as it used to, but that doesn't mean it's not
1 of the top leagues anymore. It just means other Leagues have caught
up a bit.

I understand the point that you [continually] make, but if you exclude
the English Premier League from your top five leagues, as you seem to
do, then your argument will always fall flat. As to most sensible
people the English Premier League is - at the moment anyway - a top
league by most criteria. Hating England is all well and fine, and half
the world probably hates them at any given time (if not more), but
ignoring the present reality of football in Europe is delusional.

By the criterion of international prestige of the clubs playing in the League, Argentina and Brazil beat them by a long way.

You can't just wave away the fact that nearly half of Brazilian World
Cup squad plays their club football in England as meaningless and go on about "international prestige" from decades ago. It's 2022, so why did
those twelve Brazilian players chose England as their destination to
play football and live with their families if the Brasileiro is such a
big league? Do they really like the rain of Manchester and London THAT much?!

Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of money is the main attraction I think.

Your promotion of South American football is commendable though. Keep
it up, the RSS João Havelange Medal for bloody-mindedness awaits you!

So get the beers stocked up in the fridge ready for the World Cup
and be ready to cheer when Brazil or Argentina knock England out of
the World Cup! My prediction is a Brazil v Germany Final.

My prediction was Argentina to beat Italy in the final. So I'll get
the runners-up wrong. Argentina have got a decent chance of winning
it though.

Making predictions before teams actually qualify for a tournament is a
bit of a lottery. Although being fair, I expect most rational people expected Italy to qualify too. I never thought Italy were as strong a
team as France or Germany though, but once Italy get in to the finals
of tournaments you just never know. Alas, twas not to be...

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Mark wrote:

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 3:43:21 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

I understand the point that you [continually] make, but if you exclude
the English Premier League from your top five leagues, as you seem to
do, then your argument will always fall flat. As to most sensible
people the English Premier League is - at the moment anyway - a top
league by most criteria.

By the criterion of international prestige of the clubs playing in the League, Argentina and Brazil beat them by a long way.

I don't know what you're smoking, but can I have some of it?

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On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 3:07:43 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 4:36:51 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:27:24 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:12:21 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

Ion Saliu wrote:

Jesitser, Futitser, Bluitser et al.

23 Straneri and only 3 Brazilians?! IF the 23 were “forced” to stay
home, wouldn’t they (plus locals) form the 4 best clubs in the >>>world? Methinks so. On the other hand, wouldn’t it be possible to >>>witness another traumatic loss to some Aryanist team, as in 2014? >>>Paradoxes…

Well, I did notice that most of the players in the 2022 Brazilian >>World Cup squad play their club football in Europe, with 12 of them >>playing in the [English] Premier League. Which kind of defeats Mark's >>argument about what are considered the BIG leagues. The Brasileiro >>Série A only supplies three players to the squad! But I didn't really >>want to point it out as it might have been seen as being ungracious! >>;-)

Hmmm, how many of the so-called big 5 European leagues did Pele, the best

player ever, play in? Or Alberto Spencer? Or, to give a more

recent example, Rogerio Ceni?

Well for a start, Pele's career pre-dates the 'current' top five Leagues as the English and French leagues were most certainly not a glamorous place to be in those days. So you are comparing Apples and Oranges. We are
talking about 2022 not 1970.

Actually I'm talking about all time. The top leagues isn't like the weekly music charts, it's more like an all-time bestsellers list. If the Beatles don't sell any records this week it doesn't mean they're not 1 of the top selling bands anymore. The

fact that no Argentinean team reached the final of the Copa Libertadores or Club World Cup this year doesn't mean they're no longer 1 of the top leagues.

Also, Pele became a household name around the world because of the Brazilian national sides accomplishments in international tournaments, not
because Santos were a top South American club side. Football on TV back in
the late 60's/early70's wasn't the wall-to-wall coverage like we have today. Most people - outside of Brazil - would never have seen a Santos game live, even if the Brazilian league back then was a 'top' league. Which it probably was.

I think it had a lot to do with Santos winning 2 Copa Libertadores and 2 World Club Championships and 5 consecutive Taca Brasils aswell. And Santos went on several tours to cash in on Pele's fame, so a lot of people outside Brazil would have seen

Santos live. Until about 20 years ago, Santos were the most famous club in South America.

And Alberto Spencer and Rogerio Ceni's fame has almost nothing to do with their national team's accomplishments.

Regardless, the fact that the Brasileiro provides only THREE players to the Brazilian national side for the 2022 World Cup tells you all you need
to know about the status of league today. What YOU think is up to you. But
rather than try and say the World is flat, I'd just go with the flow if I
was you...

There's more clubs with international prestige (even if most of it was gained last century) in the Brazilian and Argentinian Leagues than the French and English Leagues. Yes the Brazilian League hasn't got as many top players as it used to, but that

doesn't mean it's not 1 of the top leagues anymore. It just means other Leagues have caught up a bit.

So get the beers stocked up in the fridge ready for the World Cup and be ready to cheer when Brazil or Argentina knock England out of the World Cup! My prediction is a Brazil v Germany Final.

My prediction was Argentina to beat Italy in the final. So I'll get the runners-up wrong. Argentina have got a decent chance of winning it though.

M’ritser:

Axiomático, you sez:

“Yes the Brazilian League hasn't got as many top players as it used to, but that doesn't mean it's not 1 of the top leagues anymore. It just means other Leagues have caught up a bit.”

I couldn’t disagree with you more — but not this time. For this time around I disagree with you 200%!

You don’t want to understand that MONEY dictates everything, including football. The BEST Brazilian footballers play for European Mega Clubs for Big Money. Only 3 players of Team Brazil 2022 play in the Brazilian national league. They are not good

enough (yet?) to attract the interest of the European Mega Clubs. Don’t be surprised to see all three (!) of them playing in Europe come this winter. Playing for Big Money, that is!

Come to terms with yourself, axiomático!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv27k8Vtltg

They need to make good use of the money though. PSG and Manchester City might be a lot richer than any Argentinean or Brazilian Club; they've still never won the Champions League though.

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On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 5:50:47 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 3:41:58 PM UTC+1, Mark wrote:

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 8:26:04 AM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 11:51:25 AM UTC+1, Mark wrote:

Hmmm, how many of the so-called big 5 European leagues did Pele, the best player ever, play in? Or Alberto Spencer? Or, to
give a more recent example, Rogerio Ceni?

How many World Cup minutes have the latter two played?

Exactly. They're famous because they played for top teams in 2 of the top leagues in the World.

Go out on the streets anywhere but South America and ask people if they are football fans, and if yes, if they know about Alberto Spencer.

If they say no, I'll ask if they've heard of Alfredo Di Stefano; and if they so no again, I'll say "You're not much of a football fan are you?"

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On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:25:47 AM UTC-5, Mark wrote:

By the criterion of international prestige of the clubs playing in the League, Argentina and Brazil beat them by a long way.

By the criterion of national prestige, Pro Vercelli beats Roma, Lazio and Napoli by a long way.
And Alumni FC beats Estudiantes, Newell's Old Boys and Argentinos Juniors by a similar amount .

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On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:18:16 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:25:47 AM UTC-5, Mark wrote:

By the criterion of international prestige of the clubs playing in the League, Argentina and Brazil beat them by a long way.

By the criterion of national prestige, Pro Vercelli beats Roma, Lazio and Napoli by a long way.
And Alumni FC beats Estudiantes, Newell's Old Boys and Argentinos Juniors by a similar amount .

How?

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On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 5:41:49 AM UTC-5, Mark wrote:

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:18:16 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:25:47 AM UTC-5, Mark wrote:

By the criterion of international prestige of the clubs playing in the League, Argentina and Brazil beat them by a long way.

By the criterion of national prestige, Pro Vercelli beats Roma, Lazio and Napoli by a long way.
And Alumni FC beats Estudiantes, Newell's Old Boys and Argentinos Juniors by a similar amount .

How?

Pro Vercelli has won 7 Italian national championships, compared to Roma's 3, Napoli and Lazio's 2.
Alumni FC has 11 Argentinian national championships, compared to Estudiantes' 6, Newell's 4 and Argentinos Juniors 2.

Surely Alumni FC and Pro Vercelli have more of a claim to being a "top club" than the others, regardless of what their current standing is, right?

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On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 5:41:49 AM UTC-5, Mark wrote:

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:18:16 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:25:47 AM UTC-5, Mark wrote:

By the criterion of international prestige of the clubs playing in the League, Argentina and Brazil beat them by a long way.

By the criterion of national prestige, Pro Vercelli beats Roma, Lazio and Napoli by a long way.
And Alumni FC beats Estudiantes, Newell's Old Boys and Argentinos Juniors by a similar amount .

How?

Pro Vercelli has won 7 Italian national championships, compared to Roma's 3, Napoli and Lazio's 2.
Alumni FC has 11 Argentinian national championships, compared to Estudiantes' 6, Newell's 4 and Argentinos Juniors 2.

Surely Alumni FC and Pro Vercelli have more of a claim to being a "top club" than the others, regardless of what their current standing is, right?

The others have more than enough international prestige to compensate for it though.

You're just saying that because you're a Juventus fan and AC Milan have more international titles than Juve. :-)

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