• Shirts #19 to 23 in World Cups

    From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 2 20:15:44 2022
    Continuing the theme of my previous post, about squad numbers and how long we have to wait until WC kickoff, here's a quick rundown about the previous numbers
    (19 to 23), from highest to lowest.

    23 is the youngest number of the lot, used only from 2002 onwards. It's often a
    not very interesting one, as it tends to end up with a reserve goalkeeper, who is not likely to see much action. This is the case of its most frequent user, Spanish goalkeeper Pepe Reina, who carried it from 2006 to 2018, though he only
    played one game (a meaningless first round game against Australia in 2014, when
    both sides were out of contention). Uruguayan goalkeeper Martín Silva also fits
    this bill, having featured three WC's as his country's #23, but never playing a minute. From those who took up the field, there are Switzerland's Xherdan Shaqiri (2010 to 2018, also the number's top goalscorer, with 4 goals) and Australia's Mark Bresciano (2006 to 2014) with three WC's with #23 in their backs.

    Other notable users: Italy's Marco Materazzi (2006), who beyond winning that WC
    also got Zidane sent off in that final; the Netherlands' Tim Krul, who came from
    the subs bench at the end of extra time to stop Costa Rica on the penalty shootout
    in the 2014 quarterfinals; and rss old favorite "Super" Mario Gomez, who used it
    in 2010 and 2018, having missed 2014 after an injury-plagued season (as well as carrying it in Euros 2012 and 2016).

    22, like 23, usually ended up in the back of reserve keepers. But in that capacity,
    it lays claim to fame as it was worn by Faryd Mondragón in his three games for
    Colombia in 1998 and, 16 years later, for five minutes of Colombia's first round
    clash with Japan, as Pekerman subbed him in to become the oldest player to ever feature in a WC (a record broken four years later by another goalie, Egyptian Essam
    El Hadary). Other than that, little to write home about what is basically a list of
    backup keepers, some of which would feature for their countries in future WC's.
    Most frequent user is Uruguayan defender Martín Cáceres (2010 to 2018), and other
    honourable mentions go to Alexi Lalas (1994 and 1998), Franck Ribery (2002), and
    the top goalscorer using number 22, Russia's Artem Dzyuba (3 goals in 2018).

    21 is a more interesting one. You get all kinds of players here: forwards, such as
    Christian Vieri (the number's top goalscorer, with 9 goals), Gianluca Vialli, Gianfranco Zola, Edinson Cavani and David Silva; midfielders, such as Luis Enrique,
    Michel, Andrea Pirlo and Jose Daniel Valencia ; defenders, such as Christoph Metzelder and Mauro Galvão; and even goalkeepers, such as Ramón Quiroga (once
    booked in the opponent's half of the pitch in Peru's 1-0 loss to Poland in 1978)
    and Stere Adamache (Romanian, first goalkeeper to be substituted during open play
    in a World Cup match, Romania's 3-2 loss to Brasil in 1970). There are four players
    who used it for three WC's: Jesus Arellano (Mexico, 1998 to 2006), David Silva (Spain, 2010 to 2018), Luis Enrique (Spain, 1994 to 2002) and Andrea Pirlo (Italy,
    2006 to 2014). Of course, we should make an honourable mention to another rss favorite, Marko Marin, who used it for Germany in 2010.

    20 gets a lot of action with forwards. Most famous example of course is Paolo Rossi, whose 6 goals in the decisive rounds of WC'82 carried Italy to the trophy
    and his name to the top of goalscorer list with this number. Brasil brings Vavá
    (1958), Roberto Dinamite (1978 and 1982), Bebeto (1998) and Firmino (2018), and
    maybe may claim Ronaldo too, even though he didn't get to play in 1994. Other than
    that, there's France's David Trezeguet, Germany's Oliver Bierhoff, Poland's Zbigniew Boniek, Italy's Roberto Boninsegna and England's Michael Owen (in his first WC) as honourable mentions. The player who carried it for most WC's was South
    Korea's Hong Myung-bo, from 1990 to 2002.

    And finally 19. This was Lionel Messi's first ever squad number in a WC, in 2006,
    and also Daniel Passarella's number as he captained Argentina in their 1978 victory. I'd also like to mention Juninho Pernambucano (Brasil, 2006), because he
    was one of my favorite players. The number's top goalscorer is Salvatore Schillaci,
    due to his 6 goals in WC'90, and four players wore it in three World Cups: Julio
    Salinas (Spain, 1986 to 1994), Freddy Rincón (Colombia, 1990 to 1998), Gianluca
    Zambrotta (Italy, 2002 to 2010) and Yaya Touré (Ivory Coast, 2006 to 2014).

    That should cover the "late" numbers but, as always, feel free to contribute to
    the above or correct any eventual inaccuracies.

    Best regards,

    Lléo

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  • From Jesus Petry@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 3 06:06:39 2022
    Em quinta-feira, 3 de novembro de 2022 às 00:15:46 UTC-3, Lléo escreveu:
    Continuing the theme of my previous post, about squad numbers and how long we
    have to wait until WC kickoff, here's a quick rundown about the previous numbers
    (19 to 23), from highest to lowest.

    Great idea!

    23 is the youngest number of the lot, used only from 2002 onwards. It's often a
    not very interesting one, as it tends to end up with a reserve goalkeeper, who
    is not likely to see much action. This is the case of its most frequent user,
    Spanish goalkeeper Pepe Reina, who carried it from 2006 to 2018, though he only
    played one game (a meaningless first round game against Australia in 2014, when
    both sides were out of contention). Uruguayan goalkeeper Martín Silva also fits
    this bill, having featured three WC's as his country's #23, but never playing
    a minute. From those who took up the field, there are Switzerland's Xherdan Shaqiri (2010 to 2018, also the number's top goalscorer, with 4 goals) and Australia's Mark Bresciano (2006 to 2014) with three WC's with #23 in their backs.

    Other notable users: Italy's Marco Materazzi (2006), who beyond winning that WC
    also got Zidane sent off in that final; the Netherlands' Tim Krul, who came from
    the subs bench at the end of extra time to stop Costa Rica on the penalty shootout
    in the 2014 quarterfinals; and rss old favorite "Super" Mario Gomez, who used it
    in 2010 and 2018, having missed 2014 after an injury-plagued season (as well as
    carrying it in Euros 2012 and 2016).

    Kaká was #23 in his first World Cup (the one Brazil won).

    22, like 23, usually ended up in the back of reserve keepers. But in that capacity,
    it lays claim to fame as it was worn by Faryd Mondragón in his three games for
    Colombia in 1998 and, 16 years later, for five minutes of Colombia's first round
    clash with Japan, as Pekerman subbed him in to become the oldest player to ever
    feature in a WC (a record broken four years later by another goalie, Egyptian Essam
    El Hadary). Other than that, little to write home about what is basically a list of
    backup keepers, some of which would feature for their countries in future WC's.
    Most frequent user is Uruguayan defender Martín Cáceres (2010 to 2018), and other
    honourable mentions go to Alexi Lalas (1994 and 1998), Franck Ribery (2002), and
    the top goalscorer using number 22, Russia's Artem Dzyuba (3 goals in 2018).

    21 is a more interesting one. You get all kinds of players here: forwards, such as
    Christian Vieri (the number's top goalscorer, with 9 goals), Gianluca Vialli,
    Gianfranco Zola, Edinson Cavani and David Silva; midfielders, such as Luis Enrique,
    Michel, Andrea Pirlo and Jose Daniel Valencia ; defenders, such as Christoph Metzelder and Mauro Galvão; and even goalkeepers, such as Ramón Quiroga (once
    booked in the opponent's half of the pitch in Peru's 1-0 loss to Poland in 1978)
    and Stere Adamache (Romanian, first goalkeeper to be substituted during open play
    in a World Cup match, Romania's 3-2 loss to Brasil in 1970). There are four players
    who used it for three WC's: Jesus Arellano (Mexico, 1998 to 2006), David Silva
    (Spain, 2010 to 2018), Luis Enrique (Spain, 1994 to 2002) and Andrea Pirlo (Italy,
    2006 to 2014). Of course, we should make an honourable mention to another rss
    favorite, Marko Marin, who used it for Germany in 2010.

    20 gets a lot of action with forwards. Most famous example of course is Paolo
    Rossi, whose 6 goals in the decisive rounds of WC'82 carried Italy to the trophy
    and his name to the top of goalscorer list with this number. Brasil brings Vavá
    (1958), Roberto Dinamite (1978 and 1982), Bebeto (1998) and Firmino (2018), and
    maybe may claim Ronaldo too, even though he didn't get to play in 1994. Other than
    that, there's France's David Trezeguet, Germany's Oliver Bierhoff, Poland's Zbigniew Boniek, Italy's Roberto Boninsegna and England's Michael Owen (in his
    first WC) as honourable mentions. The player who carried it for most WC's was South
    Korea's Hong Myung-bo, from 1990 to 2002.

    Amarildo, the man who had to replace Pelé, was #20 in 1962!

    And finally 19. This was Lionel Messi's first ever squad number in a WC, in 2006,
    and also Daniel Passarella's number as he captained Argentina in their 1978 victory. I'd also like to mention Juninho Pernambucano (Brasil, 2006), because he
    was one of my favorite players. The number's top goalscorer is Salvatore Schillaci,
    due to his 6 goals in WC'90, and four players wore it in three World Cups: Julio
    Salinas (Spain, 1986 to 1994), Freddy Rincón (Colombia, 1990 to 1998), Gianluca
    Zambrotta (Italy, 2002 to 2010) and Yaya Touré (Ivory Coast, 2006 to 2014).

    That should cover the "late" numbers but, as always, feel free to contribute to
    the above or correct any eventual inaccuracies.

    Best regards,

    Lléo

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 3 06:57:36 2022
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 11:15:46 PM UTC-4, Lléo wrote:

    Other notable users: Italy's Marco Materazzi (2006), who beyond winning that WC
    also got Zidane sent off in that final;

    Poor Materazzi. Scored a goal in a WC final, was reponsible for one of the most iconic moments in WC history, and even cooly buried his penalty kick (the second of the series, after Trezeguet's mistake), so nominally scoring Italy's go-ahead goal...and
    all he gets is an "other notable users"?

    21 is a more interesting one. You get all kinds of players here: forwards, such as
    Christian Vieri (the number's top goalscorer, with 9 goals),

    Paolo Rossi wore 21 in 1978.

    Gianluca Vialli,
    Gianfranco Zola, Edinson Cavani and David Silva; midfielders, such as Luis Enrique,
    Michel, Andrea Pirlo and Jose Daniel Valencia ; defenders, such as Christoph Metzelder and Mauro Galvão; and even goalkeepers, such as Ramón Quiroga (once
    booked in the opponent's half of the pitch in Peru's 1-0 loss to Poland in 1978)

    Definitely the only thing Quiroga is famous for...




    And finally 19. This was Lionel Messi's first ever squad number in a WC, in 2006,
    and also Daniel Passarella's number as he captained Argentina in their 1978 victory. I'd also like to mention Juninho Pernambucano (Brasil, 2006), because he
    was one of my favorite players. The number's top goalscorer is Salvatore Schillaci,
    due to his 6 goals in WC'90, and four players wore it in three World Cups: Julio
    Salinas (Spain, 1986 to 1994), Freddy Rincón (Colombia, 1990 to 1998), Gianluca
    Zambrotta (Italy, 2002 to 2010) and Yaya Touré (Ivory Coast, 2006 to 2014).

    That should cover the "late" numbers but, as always, feel free to contribute to
    the above or correct any eventual inaccuracies.

    Great thread!







    Lléo

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 3 06:49:45 2022
    Jesus Petry escreveu:
    Em quinta-feira, 3 de novembro de 2022 às 00:15:46 UTC-3, Lléo escreveu:

    [snip #23]
    Other notable users: Italy's Marco Materazzi (2006), who beyond winning that WC
    also got Zidane sent off in that final; the Netherlands' Tim Krul, who came from
    the subs bench at the end of extra time to stop Costa Rica on the penalty shootout
    in the 2014 quarterfinals; and rss old favorite "Super" Mario Gomez, who used it
    in 2010 and 2018, having missed 2014 after an injury-plagued season (as well as
    carrying it in Euros 2012 and 2016).

    Kaká was #23 in his first World Cup (the one Brazil won).


    I definitely should have mentioned him here. I remember Scolari trying to
    sub him in at injury time in the final, but the referee blew final whistle before he could get in. For some reason I remember it as a somewhat comical moment. In my mind's eye, he was desperate to go in (maybe so that he could claim having played in a WC final, even if for a few seconds :-)), but then there goes Denilson again hiding the ball in the left wing to run down the clock :-)


    [snip #22 and #21]
    20 gets a lot of action with forwards. Most famous example of course is Paolo
    Rossi, whose 6 goals in the decisive rounds of WC'82 carried Italy to the trophy
    and his name to the top of goalscorer list with this number. Brasil brings Vavá
    (1958), Roberto Dinamite (1978 and 1982), Bebeto (1998) and Firmino (2018), and
    maybe may claim Ronaldo too, even though he didn't get to play in 1994. Other than
    that, there's France's David Trezeguet, Germany's Oliver Bierhoff, Poland's
    Zbigniew Boniek, Italy's Roberto Boninsegna and England's Michael Owen (in his
    first WC) as honourable mentions. The player who carried it for most WC's was South
    Korea's Hong Myung-bo, from 1990 to 2002.


    Amarildo, the man who had to replace Pelé, was #20 in 1962!


    I am severely kicking myself right now: Amarildo was the very first name I thought after Paolo Rossi, I could have sworn I had written him in! Thanks
    for spotting that!


    Best regards,

    Lléo

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Thu Nov 3 08:37:46 2022
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:57:38 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 11:15:46 PM UTC-4, Lléo wrote:


    21 is a more interesting one. You get all kinds of players here: forwards, such as
    Christian Vieri (the number's top goalscorer, with 9 goals),

    Paolo Rossi wore 21 in 1978.

    Gianluca Vialli,
    Gianfranco Zola, Edinson Cavani and David Silva; midfielders, such as Luis Enrique,
    Michel, Andrea Pirlo and Jose Daniel Valencia ; defenders, such as Christoph
    Metzelder and Mauro Galvão; and even goalkeepers, such as Ramón Quiroga (once
    booked in the opponent's half of the pitch in Peru's 1-0 loss to Poland in 1978)

    Definitely the only thing Quiroga is famous for...

    Well it beats what Metzelder is unfortunately most famous for these days.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 3 08:41:59 2022
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 4:15:46 AM UTC+1, Lléo wrote:
    Continuing the theme of my previous post, about squad numbers and how long we
    have to wait until WC kickoff, here's a quick rundown about the previous numbers
    (19 to 23), from highest to lowest.

    21 is a more interesting one. You get all kinds of players here: forwards, such as
    Christian Vieri (the number's top goalscorer, with 9 goals), Gianluca Vialli,
    Gianfranco Zola, Edinson Cavani and David Silva; midfielders, such as Luis Enrique,
    Michel, Andrea Pirlo and Jose Daniel Valencia ; defenders, such as Christoph Metzelder and Mauro Galvão; and even goalkeepers, such as Ramón Quiroga (once
    booked in the opponent's half of the pitch in Peru's 1-0 loss to Poland in 1978)

    And people act as if Manuel Neuer had invented the sweeper keeper.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 3 09:17:29 2022
    Werner Pichler escreveu:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:57:38 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 11:15:46 PM UTC-4, Lléo wrote:

    [about #21]
    defenders, such as Christoph
    Metzelder and Mauro Galvão; and even goalkeepers, such as Ramón Quiroga (once
    booked in the opponent's half of the pitch in Peru's 1-0 loss to Poland in 1978)

    Definitely the only thing Quiroga is famous for...

    Well it beats what Metzelder is unfortunately most famous for these days.


    I didn't know what this was about and just googled it. Man, I had NO idea.


    Best regards,

    Lléo

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