On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 11:35:03 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
Can't help but wonder if this year's World Cup breaks the record for the most number of nations who use English as an official or predominant language:
Australia (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant) Cameroon
Canada
England
Ghana
USA (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Wales
So that's 7. Can any World Cup beat that?
RMItalia 90 had 5:
Cameroon
England
Republic of Ireland
Scotland
USA
RM
Can't help but wonder if this year's World Cup breaks the record for the most number of nations who use English as an official or predominant language:
Australia (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant) Cameroon
Canada
England
Ghana
USA (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Wales
So that's 7. Can any World Cup beat that?
RM
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 11:35:03 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
Can't help but wonder if this year's World Cup breaks the record for the most number of nations who use English as an official or predominant language:
Australia (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant) Cameroon
Canada
England
Ghana
USA (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Wales
So that's 7. Can any World Cup beat that?
RMItalia 90 had 5:
Cameroon
England
Republic of Ireland
Scotland
USA
RM
Can't help but wonder if this year's World Cup breaks the record for the most number of nations who use English as an official or predominant language:
Australia (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant) Cameroon
Canada
England
Ghana
USA (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Wales
So that's 7. Can any World Cup beat that?
RM
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 11:41:10 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 11:35:03 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
Can't help but wonder if this year's World Cup breaks the record for the most number of nations who use English as an official or predominant language:Italia 90 had 5:
Australia (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant) >>> Cameroon
Canada
England
Ghana
USA (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Wales
So that's 7. Can any World Cup beat that?
RM
Cameroon
England
Republic of Ireland
Scotland
USA
RM
South Africa 2010:
Australia
England
Cameroon
Ghana
New Zealand
Nigeria
South Africa
USA
8! Looks like we have a winner!
RM
Can't help but wonder if this year's World Cup breaks the record for
the most number of nations who use English as an official or
predominant language:
Australia (doesn't have an official language but English is
predominant) Cameroon
Canada
England
Ghana
USA (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Wales
Can't help but wonder if this year's World Cup breaks the record for the most number of nations who use English as an official or predominant language:
Australia (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant) Cameroon
Canada
England
Ghana
USA (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Wales
So that's 7. Can any World Cup beat that?
RM
On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 1:35:03 AM UTC+3, Real Mardin wrote:
Can't help but wonder if this year's World Cup breaks the record forthe most number of nations who use English as an official or predominant >language:
Australia (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Cameroon
Canada
England
Ghana
USA (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Wales
So that's 7. Can any World Cup beat that?
RM
How about Spanish — 10?
Spain
Portugal
Argentina
Brazil
Uruguay
Costa Rica
Ecuador
Mexico
United States
Canada
There is a serious problem, though. Russian — 0. That could lead to >Armageddon…
On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 1:35:03 AM UTC+3, Real Mardin wrote:
Can't help but wonder if this year's World Cup breaks the record for the most number of nations who use English as an official or predominant language:
Australia (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Cameroon
Canada
England
Ghana
USA (doesn't have an official language but English is predominant)
Wales
So that's 7. Can any World Cup beat that?
RM
How about Spanish — 10?
Spain
Portugal
Argentina
Brazil
Uruguay
Costa Rica
Ecuador
Mexico
United States
Canada
There is a serious problem, though. Russian — 0. That could lead to Armageddon…
On 2022-06-19 04:45, Ion Saliu wrote:
How about Spanish — 10?
Spain
Portugal
Argentina
Brazil
Uruguay
Costa Rica
Ecuador
Mexico
United States
Canada
Spanish is certainly not an official language in Canada, and does not
even rank in the top 5 most spoken mother tongues (English, French, Mandarin, Cantonese, Punjabi I think. Tagalog might be next).
Spanish also does not have official status in the US, or Portugal and I suspect not in Brazil though I would welcome correction there.
Portugese is the predominant and official language in the last two.
How about Spanish — 10?
Spain
Portugal
Argentina
Brazil
Uruguay
Costa Rica
Ecuador
Mexico
United States
Canada
Ion Saliu escreveu:
How about Spanish — 10?
SpainAs pointed out elsewhere, we should probably count only 6 or 7 of the above (depending on whether it's fair to count the US or not). For Spanish, that's par for the course for the last 10 WC's or so, more or less, if I looked things
Portugal
Argentina
Brazil
Uruguay
Costa Rica
Ecuador
Mexico
United States
Canada
up correctly. The most Hispanophone WC was 2014, with 9 countries having it as
an official or proeminent language: Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Ecuador,
Colombia, Mexico, Costa Rica and Honduras. If one prefers to count the US as well, there's your 10.
In terms of proportion of teams, though, I don't think one could surpass the 1930 World Cup, with 7 of the 13 teams coming from Spanish-speaking countries:
Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Peru, Chile, Bolivia and Mexico. The US was there
too fwiw, so maybe 8 if you want to count them?
The lowest count was in 1938. The Spanish Civil War, coupled with the boycott
of Uruguay, Argentina and most of the "Western hemisphere" qualifiers dried up the pool of Spanish language qualifiers. Cuba was that WC's sole Spanish speaking representative, thus guaranteeing that the language can be said to have been present in every World Cup.
--
Lléo
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-19 04:45, Ion Saliu wrote:
How about Spanish — 10?
Spain
Portugal
Argentina
Brazil
Uruguay
Costa Rica
Ecuador
Mexico
United States
Canada
Spanish is certainly not an official language in Canada, and does not
even rank in the top 5 most spoken mother tongues (English, French, Mandarin, Cantonese, Punjabi I think. Tagalog might be next).
Spanish also does not have official status in the US, or Portugal and I suspect not in Brazil though I would welcome correction there.You're right. Indeed it is not even the most widely spoken foreign language in Brasil, which is English. I suspect, but do not know that for a fact, that
Portugese is the predominant and official language in the last two.
this is also true in Portugal as well (would welcome correction here too).
Continuing the theme of this thread, I suppose the most Lusophone World Cup ever had to be 2006, with Brasil, Portugal and Angola all involved.
Most Germanophone WC? I guess it has to be one with all of Germany, Austria and Switzerland (maybe Liechtenstein will join them someday in a 48-team WC? :-)). Any other beyond 1934 and 1954?
--
Lléo
On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 4:24:23 AM UTC+3, Lléo wrote:
Ion Saliu escreveu:
How about Spanish — 10?
SpainAs pointed out elsewhere, we should probably count only 6 or 7 of the above
Portugal
Argentina
Brazil
Uruguay
Costa Rica
Ecuador
Mexico
United States
Canada
(depending on whether it's fair to count the US or not). For Spanish, that's
par for the course for the last 10 WC's or so, more or less, if I looked things
up correctly. The most Hispanophone WC was 2014, with 9 countries having it as
an official or proeminent language: Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Ecuador,
Colombia, Mexico, Costa Rica and Honduras. If one prefers to count the US as
well, there's your 10.
In terms of proportion of teams, though, I don't think one could surpass the
1930 World Cup, with 7 of the 13 teams coming from Spanish-speaking countries:
Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Peru, Chile, Bolivia and Mexico. The US was there
too fwiw, so maybe 8 if you want to count them?
The lowest count was in 1938. The Spanish Civil War, coupled with the boycott
of Uruguay, Argentina and most of the "Western hemisphere" qualifiers dried
up the pool of Spanish language qualifiers. Cuba was that WC's sole Spanish
speaking representative, thus guaranteeing that the language can be said to
have been present in every World Cup.
--Axiomático:
Lléo
I should have added [H] to me reply –
“Spoiler alert! Humo(u)r involved!”
Aksiomatika:
I should have added [H] to me reply –
“Spoiler alert! Humo(u)r involved!”
No wonder no native English-speaker reacted to my post the way you did.
I would have expected, though, another type of reaction. Like: “There ain’t no Spanish — it’s Catalan… or it is Basque…”
BBRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
The clear majority at 2022, however, belongs to NATO: 13 (out of 30 total members… not far from 50%). Can you spot them, aksiomatika?
After all, soccer is a surrogate for war. Armageddon is coming! Armageddon is coming!
Fortunately, the Pope is against the war. Can you tell the predominant religion at 2022 World Cup? Spoiler alert: it ain’t the host… although they are more numerous than ever.
Spoiler alert: The Pope should award the 2022 Champion…
Ion “Parpaluck” Saliu
Truthful Warrior At-Large
https://www.facebook.com/Parpaluck
Most Germanophone WC? I guess it has to be one with all of Germany, Austria and Switzerland (maybe Liechtenstein will join them someday in a 48-team WC?1938 had Germany and Austria in it - in theory, but then actually also in practice... better drop it.
:-)). Any other beyond 1934 and 1954?
1934 and 1954 both also had Belgium and Italy in it, two countries where German today is an official
language (although it wasn't at the time).
(and 1934 Czechoslovakia had a population of 20% German speakers. Better drop that, too)
On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 1:42:32 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
1934 edges it, because only part of Germany (West Germany) were at the 1954 World Cup.1938 had Germany and Austria in it - in theory, but then actually also in practice... better drop it.
Most Germanophone WC? I guess it has to be one with all of Germany, Austria >>> and Switzerland (maybe Liechtenstein will join them someday in a 48-team WC?
:-)). Any other beyond 1934 and 1954?
1934 and 1954 both also had Belgium and Italy in it, two countries where German today is an official
language (although it wasn't at the time).
(and 1934 Czechoslovakia had a population of 20% German speakers. Better drop that, too)
There is a serious problem, though. Russian — 0.
Em segunda-feira, 20 de junho de 2022 às 07:16:07 UTC-3, Ion Saliu escreveu:
On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 4:24:23 AM UTC+3, Lléo wrote:
[Let's snip what I wrote about Spanish language countries in the WC]
Axiomático:
I should have added [H] to me reply –
“Spoiler alert! Humo(u)r involved!”
I did understand your attempt at humor, and therefore didn't bother to respond.
But it was easy to miss it, because in your post you seemed to play two opposing roles at once for comedic effect, a bit too sophisticated and surreal. Not many people are used to that.
Jesus Petry escreveu:
Em segunda-feira, 20 de junho de 2022 às 07:16:07 UTC-3, Ion Saliu escreveu:
On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 4:24:23 AM UTC+3, Lléo wrote:
[Let's snip what I wrote about Spanish language countries in the WC]
Axiomático:
I should have added [H] to me reply –
“Spoiler alert! Humo(u)r involved!”
I did understand your attempt at humor, and therefore didn't bother to respond.
But it was easy to miss it, because in your post you seemed to play two
opposing roles at once for comedic effect, a bit too sophisticated and
surreal. Not many people are used to that.
Actually, I was just taking the hook to add some trivia about something I had never thought about in World Cups. Seemed in line with the topic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So, trivia time for you people. There are three languages that have been "represented" in every World Cup. I just told you all what one of them is,
in my previous post. But what are the other two?
--
Lléo
On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 1:16:07 PM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
Aksiomatika:
I should have added [H] to me reply –
“Spoiler alert! Humo(u)r involved!”
No wonder no native English-speaker reacted to my post the way you did.
I would have expected, though, another type of reaction. Like: “There ain’t no Spanish — it’s Catalan… or it is Basque…”
BBRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
The clear majority at 2022, however, belongs to NATO: 13 (out of 30 total members… not far from 50%). Can you spot them, aksiomatika?
After all, soccer is a surrogate for war. Armageddon is coming! Armageddon is coming!
Fortunately, the Pope is against the war. Can you tell the predominant religion at 2022 World Cup? Spoiler alert: it ain’t the host… although they are more numerous than ever.
Spoiler alert: The Pope should award the 2022 Champion…
are representative of Catholicism and Islam. Which brings me to this fact:Ion “Parpaluck” SaliuOther interesting facts about the World Cup –
Truthful Warrior At-Large
https://www.facebook.com/Parpaluck
You watch a match, say, in the Top-5 European championships, or in UEFA Champions League. You notice religion is omnipresent. The players perform religious acts, especially praying and looking up to the sky (like to the Supreme Referee). Most prayers
• The Vatican holds the most World Cups: 16 trophies
• Protestantism: 5
• Orthodox Christianity: 0
• Islam: 0
• Buddhism: 0
• Hindu: 0
• Shinto: 0
• Other credos: 0
From another perspective, NATO holds the most World Cup trophies: 12.
• Warsaw Pact: 0 (where art thou Hungary... Russia... Ukraine... ?)
• Other military alliances: 0
Las Vegas is brewing some enticing bets for this edition of the World Cup –
• [(NATO) AND (Catholic)]: (7 titles so far) ?
• [(NATO) AND (Protestant)]: (5 so far) ?
The latter is the most attractive bet to me (the opening line was 13/1). Holland failed too many times in the finals (3 so far)…
BBRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
On 2022-06-21 20:16, Lléo wrote:
Jesus Petry escreveu:to respond.
Em segunda-feira, 20 de junho de 2022 às 07:16:07 UTC-3, Ion Saliu escreveu:
On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 4:24:23 AM UTC+3, Lléo wrote:
[Let's snip what I wrote about Spanish language countries in the WC]
Axiomático:
I should have added [H] to me reply –
“Spoiler alert! Humo(u)r involved!”
I did understand your attempt at humor, and therefore didn't bother
But it was easy to miss it, because in your post you seemed to play two
opposing roles at once for comedic effect, a bit too sophisticated and
surreal. Not many people are used to that.
Actually, I was just taking the hook to add some trivia about something I had
never thought about in World Cups. Seemed in line with the topic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So, trivia time for you people. There are three languages that have been
"represented" in every World Cup. I just told you all what one of them is, >> in my previous post. But what are the other two?
Well Brazil have played in all of them, right ? So portugese.
And I have an inkling French is the other one. Belgium were there in
1930, France in the next two. Add in Switzerland and Haiti, and I think >every cup is covered.
--
Lléo
On 2022-06-21 08:21, Mark wrote:
On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 1:42:32 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
??? The premise here is number of German speaking countries, and the1934 edges it, because only part of Germany (West Germany) were at the 1954 World Cup.1938 had Germany and Austria in it - in theory, but then actually also in practice... better drop it.
Most Germanophone WC? I guess it has to be one with all of Germany, Austria
and Switzerland (maybe Liechtenstein will join them someday in a 48-team WC?
:-)). Any other beyond 1934 and 1954?
1934 and 1954 both also had Belgium and Italy in it, two countries where German today is an official
language (although it wasn't at the time).
(and 1934 Czechoslovakia had a population of 20% German speakers. Better drop that, too)
federal republic of Germany (West Germany) was a German speaking
country. 1954 had 3 countries in the finals that had German as an
official language (at that time). The Saarland could also have
qualified but were drawn in a group with Germany. Although I guess they
were a protectorate, not a country. East Germany first entered the WCQ
in the 1958 version.
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 6:36:13 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
??? The premise here is number of German speaking countries, and
the federal republic of Germany (West Germany) was a German
speaking country. 1954 had 3 countries in the finals that had
German as an official language (at that time). The Saarland could
also have qualified but were drawn in a group with Germany.
Although I guess they were a protectorate, not a country. East
Germany first entered the WCQ in the 1958 version.
Well, there could be a (possibly weak) case for claiming West Germany
was only half a country.
On 2022-06-21 20:16, Lléo wrote:
Actually, I was just taking the hook to add some trivia about something I had
never thought about in World Cups. Seemed in line with the topic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So, trivia time for you people. There are three languages that have been "represented" in every World Cup. I just told you all what one of them is, in my previous post. But what are the other two?
Well Brazil have played in all of them, right ? So portugese.
And I have an inkling French is the other one. Belgium were there in
1930, France in the next two. Add in Switzerland and Haiti, and I think every cup is covered.
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-21 20:16, Lléo wrote:
Actually, I was just taking the hook to add some trivia about something I had
never thought about in World Cups. Seemed in line with the topic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So, trivia time for you people. There are three languages that have been >>> "represented" in every World Cup. I just told you all what one of them is, >>> in my previous post. But what are the other two?
Well Brazil have played in all of them, right ? So portugese.
And I have an inkling French is the other one. Belgium were there in
1930, France in the next two. Add in Switzerland and Haiti, and I think
every cup is covered.
Indeed! For some reason I was kinda expecting English to have been ever present as well, but as Real Mardin pointed out in another post, there was
no English speaking country in WC 1938.
German also misses only one Cup, 1930. Germany's near perfect attendance in the World Cup pretty much guarantees its presence every time. Switzerland
was there in the only other World Cup they missed, 1950.
A similar case goes for Italian, which has only gone missing in two World Cups. Not the present-day two in a row to which Italy failed to qualify,
as Switzerland again came to the rescue in these, but the other two Cups, 1930 and 1958.
Another quiz question for you rss people: what was the least linguistically diverse World Cup?
--
Lléo
Another quiz question for you rss people: what was the least linguistically diverse World Cup?
On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Lléo wrote:
Another quiz question for you rss people: what was the least linguistically
diverse World Cup?
Nice thread. How do you measure linguistic diversity?
Something like a Herfindahl index (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herfindahl%E2%80%93Hirschman_index)?
Or do you also take into account the linguistic distance between NTs? (That is,
a WC with exactly half the teams that speak Spanish and half the teams that speak
French would be less diverse than one in which half the teams speak Spanish and
the other half speaks Japanese...)
The thread title also begs the question "What was the least English speaking World Cup?"
The answer is 1938 - not a single English speaking team were at the tournament.
Dutch was, however, very well represented, with the following three nations being at the tournament:
Belgium
Dutch East Indies
Netherlands
RM
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 12:32:28 PM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 1:16:07 PM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
Aksiomatika:
I should have added [H] to me reply –
“Spoiler alert! Humo(u)r involved!”
No wonder no native English-speaker reacted to my post the way you did.
I would have expected, though, another type of reaction. Like: “There ain’t no Spanish — it’s Catalan… or it is Basque…”
BBRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
The clear majority at 2022, however, belongs to NATO: 13 (out of 30 total members… not far from 50%). Can you spot them, aksiomatika?
After all, soccer is a surrogate for war. Armageddon is coming! Armageddon is coming!
Fortunately, the Pope is against the war. Can you tell the predominant religion at 2022 World Cup? Spoiler alert: it ain’t the host… although they are more numerous than ever.
Spoiler alert: The Pope should award the 2022 Champion…
are representative of Catholicism and Islam. Which brings me to this fact:Ion “Parpaluck” SaliuOther interesting facts about the World Cup –
Truthful Warrior At-Large
https://www.facebook.com/Parpaluck
You watch a match, say, in the Top-5 European championships, or in UEFA Champions League. You notice religion is omnipresent. The players perform religious acts, especially praying and looking up to the sky (like to the Supreme Referee). Most prayers
predominantly Orthodox, the footballers perform a specific ritual: Crossing (the sign of the cross from the forehead to the belly, and then from the right shoulder to the left).• The Vatican holds the most World Cups: 16 trophies
• Protestantism: 5
• Orthodox Christianity: 0
• Islam: 0
• Buddhism: 0
• Hindu: 0
• Shinto: 0
• Other credos: 0
From another perspective, NATO holds the most World Cup trophies: 12.
• Warsaw Pact: 0 (where art thou Hungary... Russia... Ukraine... ?)
• Other military alliances: 0
Las Vegas is brewing some enticing bets for this edition of the World Cup –
• [(NATO) AND (Catholic)]: (7 titles so far) ?
• [(NATO) AND (Protestant)]: (5 so far) ?
The latter is the most attractive bet to me (the opening line was 13/1). Holland failed too many times in the finals (3 so far)…
BBRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!Ultra Axiomatix:
This thingy really intrigues me: Religion and World Cup. It is even more intriguing since I am the founder of Mathematical Atheism.
It is this lopsided success in World Cups for a religion known as Catholicism. 16 trophies! The only other successful religion, with 5 successes, is also Christian: Protestantism. What gives?
For the record, I was born religious. Like any child, there ain’t nothing you can do about it. You are forced to belong to a religion from day one.
So, I was born Orthodox Christian. Since the pandemic, I had to watch quite a few football matches in the Romanian championship. The players do the same thing as in any other championship. They perform religious rituals. As the Romanians are
Other Orthodox footballers do the same: Greeks, Russians, Ukrainians, Serbs, etc. However, them Orthodox footballers have never had any success. The Supreme Referee has granted them only mediocrity! Why they don’t abandon their ritual is beyond me!to be kind to them and make the opponents slip and break their legs!
On the other hand, look how grandiosely the Supreme Referee (now VAR) has rewarded the Catholics! 16 out of 21 World Cup titles! The Vegas odds on [Catholik] are a meager 3/5. Of course, it is so easy to win with such a bet!
The Protestants have had some success: 5 trophies. Their ritual is different from the Catholics, though. The Protestants kneel before the match starts. Instead of looking up toward the Supreme Referee, they look down. As if they pray to the grassroots
Why aren’t the rest of the religions successful at all? What’s the matter? The Muslim players pray too, and they look up to the sky as well. The Buddhists, as few as they are, fall on the grass before the match and start short meditation sessions.I even heard the “Om” chant at times.
Will Qatar finally win a World Cup for Islam? I mean, it was against
all odds that Qatar was even selected to host the 2022 World Cup.
You’ll be surprised how far the petrodollars can go!
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