Finally football is back, after what seemed a really long club football interruption, I really dont know why they even play club football and all these club competitions, does anyone outside of Madrid really care about the Champions league?something we have not known since 1993. In case you are living under a club football shower curtain, Argentina is King of the World and Messi is the greatest player of all time. Italy is the second best team in the world, I would say Senegal is third and
Meanwhile, we had the football match of the Century, the match that decided the greatest country in Football, el Finalissima. The match that finally and unequivocally tells us the champion of the World-(sorry Senegal, Mexico and Asian champion),
But, back to the Nations League, the only real football left in the footballing world. And there are like at least two Nations leagues going on, CONCACAF and UEFA. Yesterday saw Spain and Portugal play to a 1-1 draw, I was a bit surprised to not seePedri or Jao Felix, I assume they are injured, otherwise it looked a full squad, (it really did, I would assume they would be trying out more young players for this thing).
The beauty of this nations league is that they are playing 4 games in a week and then a summer break and another club football break before finishing up in September. A few big matchups today, the Flemish Bastards Derby between The Netherlands andBelgium, a match that will finally tell us which Flems are the best and then high scoring Danemark take on France(who someday might play in a Finalissima).
Day one resultsand so on, like in the club leagues it is actually called A group, B group , C Group.
FT
Czech Republic
2
Switzerland
1
Shaquiri now plays in the MLS, bunch of Italians going to the MLS as well, including Chielini and that other guy, with the Italian sounding name
FT
Israel
2
Iceland
2
FT
Northern Ireland
0
Greece
1
FT
Serbia
0
Norway
1
Can you guess who scored for Norway? Serbia to get relegated?
FT
Slovenia
0
Sweden
2
FT
Spain
1
Portugal
1
FT
Bulgaria
1
North Macedonia
1
FT
Cyprus
0
Kosovo
2
FT
Estonia
2
San Marino
0
FT
Georgia
4
Gibraltar
0
San Marino and Gibraltar will never get Promoted to the 2nd div.
Today matches
-
1st half
Kazakhstan
0
Azerbaijan
0
I drive through Kaz to go to the cottage. The Kaz Hotel use to have the longest bar in the Gatineau before it burned down.
12:00
Latvia
Andorra
14:45
Belarus
Slovakia
So Belarus is allowed to play?
14:45
Belgium
The Netherlands
Flemish Bastards!
14:45
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to stay up. They dont call it 1st div 2nd div
14:45
France
Denmark
14:45
Liechtenstein
Moldova
You will never see a player from SC Cambuur Leeuwarden score a goal in the Champions League or la liga or WWEpl, but you will in the Nations League!something we have not known since 1993. In case you are living under a club football shower curtain, Argentina is King of the World and Messi is the greatest player of all time. Italy is the second best team in the world, I would say Senegal is third and
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:33:18 a.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Finally football is back, after what seemed a really long club football interruption, I really dont know why they even play club football and all these club competitions, does anyone outside of Madrid really care about the Champions league?
Meanwhile, we had the football match of the Century, the match that decided the greatest country in Football, el Finalissima. The match that finally and unequivocally tells us the champion of the World-(sorry Senegal, Mexico and Asian champion),
Pedri or Jao Felix, I assume they are injured, otherwise it looked a full squad, (it really did, I would assume they would be trying out more young players for this thing).But, back to the Nations League, the only real football left in the footballing world. And there are like at least two Nations leagues going on, CONCACAF and UEFA. Yesterday saw Spain and Portugal play to a 1-1 draw, I was a bit surprised to not see
Belgium, a match that will finally tell us which Flems are the best and then high scoring Danemark take on France(who someday might play in a Finalissima).The beauty of this nations league is that they are playing 4 games in a week and then a summer break and another club football break before finishing up in September. A few big matchups today, the Flemish Bastards Derby between The Netherlands and
div and so on, like in the club leagues it is actually called A group, B group , C Group.Day one results
FT
Czech Republic
2
Switzerland
1
Shaquiri now plays in the MLS, bunch of Italians going to the MLS as well, including Chielini and that other guy, with the Italian sounding name
FT
Israel
2
Iceland
2
FT
Northern Ireland
0
Greece
1
FT
Serbia
0
Norway
1
Can you guess who scored for Norway? Serbia to get relegated?
FT
Slovenia
0
Sweden
2
FT
Spain
1
Portugal
1
FT
Bulgaria
1
North Macedonia
1
FT
Cyprus
0
Kosovo
2
FT
Estonia
2
San Marino
0
FT
Georgia
4
Gibraltar
0
San Marino and Gibraltar will never get Promoted to the 2nd div.
Today matches
-
1st half
Kazakhstan
0
Azerbaijan
0
I drive through Kaz to go to the cottage. The Kaz Hotel use to have the longest bar in the Gatineau before it burned down.
12:00
Latvia
Andorra
14:45
Belarus
Slovakia
So Belarus is allowed to play?
14:45
Belgium
The Netherlands
Flemish Bastards!
14:45
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to stay up. They dont call it 1st div 2nd
14:45
France
Denmark
14:45
Liechtenstein
Moldova
Finally football is back,
So now if you want to watch the Premier League, UEFA club
competitions and UEFA Nations League and UEFA qualifiers you need a subscription to Sky , BT Sports and Premier Sports.
The way football broadcast rights are sold doesn’t help football
fans one bit.
I think Lukaku is on the verge of retiring from club football
as well?
14:45
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to stay up.
On 3.6.2022. 16:33, Binder Dundat wrote:
14:45After 0:3 staying up is very probable, it's very likely we'll lose all
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to stay up.
3 matches in the next 10 days.
So what did we learn from yesterdays results?
That Austria will win the WC or if they are not qualified, Netherlands
will win it, or maybe Danemark.
Belarus
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Belgium
1
The Netherlands
4
So does this result mean the Belgium Golden Generation is over or that
no one gives a shit about the Nations League?
FT
Croatia
0
Austria
3
FT
France
1
Denmark
2
FT
Liechtenstein
0
Moldova
2
FT
Latvia
3
Andorra
0
FT
Kazakhstan
2
Azerbaijan
0
Nations League
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 4:54:05 p.m. UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 3.6.2022. 16:33, Binder Dundat wrote:such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted
14:45
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did
to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to
stay up.
After 0:3 staying up is very probable, it's very likely we'll lose all
3 matches in the next 10 days.
On 3.6.2022. 16:33, Binder Dundat wrote:
14:45
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to stay
up.
After 0:3 staying up is very probable, it's very likely we'll lose all
3 matches in the next 10 days.
Meanwhile, we had the football match of the Century, the match that decided the greatest country in Football, el Finalissima. The match that finally and unequivocally tells us the champion of the World-(sorry Senegal, Mexico and Asian champion)
But I have to admit we got a good chuckle out of the fact that Salzburg managed to sell
Pongračić and Ćaleta-Car for a combined 28m€.
On 4.6.2022. 16:54, Werner Pichler wrote:
But I have to admit we got a good chuckle out of the fact that Salzburg managed to sellYesterday referred as Lolek and Bolek.
Pongračić and Ćaleta-Car for a combined 28m€.
FT
Armenia1Rep of Ireland0
Every Ireland result for abut the last 25 years ends in a 1-0
HT
Finland1Bosnia-Herzegovina0
HT
Hungary0England0
If England want to compete and win trophies, they have to take these things seriously
HT
Lithuania0Luxembourg1
14:45
ItalyGermany
This is one of the worst German teams of the last 25 years or more, they cant be excepted to beat the second best team in the world
14:45
MontenegroRomania
14:45
TurkeyFaroe Islands
How did Turkei end up in the C division?
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:48:11 a.m. UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 4.6.2022. 16:54, Werner Pichler wrote:
But I have to admit we got a good chuckle out of the fact that Salzburg managed to sellYesterday referred as Lolek and Bolek.
Pongračić and Ćaleta-Car for a combined 28m€.
Real Mardin wrote:
So now if you want to watch the Premier League, UEFA club
competitions and UEFA Nations League and UEFA qualifiers you need a subscription to Sky , BT Sports and Premier Sports.
The way football broadcast rights are sold doesn’t help footballIt wasn't designed to help football fans... it was done to make money.
fans one bit.
Although I wouldn't watch the "UEFA Nations League" if you paid me
to, let alone the other way round!
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:43:28 p.m. UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:of other stuff and all for $20 a month. I would not mind paying more if they got the Bundesliga and Spanish Liga, cus TSN and Sportsnet have done a terrible job with that.
Real Mardin wrote:
So now if you want to watch the Premier League, UEFA club
competitions and UEFA Nations League and UEFA qualifiers you need a subscription to Sky , BT Sports and Premier Sports.
The way football broadcast rights are sold doesn’t help footballIt wasn't designed to help football fans... it was done to make money.
fans one bit.
Although I wouldn't watch the "UEFA Nations League" if you paid meIt seems like a lot of football, it never ends, always some cup or league or something.
to, let alone the other way round!
Here on the Iceberg, DAZN is taking control of the Football coverage. They have the EPL, UCL, MLS, Nations league, Belgium league, qualifying and some Womens leagues and UCL. They also have Darts, Boxing, NFL, I think MLB, Tennis, Red Bull and a bunch
Italy v Germanyinstead of Muller, Sane, Neuer etc. Maybe HaFlick thinks that the young players are not good enough to win a Nations Liga, thing is neither are the old dogs.
The Italians doing what I would have thought, most teams would be doing, that is picking young players. Germany with the old dogs. I know Wirtz is injured, but I would like to see some young guys like Musiala, Nmencha and Schlotterbeck starting,
I realize that HaFlick is no JLow, but even he must know Sane has never played well for Germany.instead of Muller, Sane, Neuer etc. Maybe HaFlick thinks that the young players are not good enough to win a Nations Liga, thing is neither are the old dogs.
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 2:55:01 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Italy v Germany
The Italians doing what I would have thought, most teams would be doing, that is picking young players. Germany with the old dogs. I know Wirtz is injured, but I would like to see some young guys like Musiala, Nmencha and Schlotterbeck starting,
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:03:37 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
FT
Armenia1Rep of Ireland0
Every Ireland result for abut the last 25 years ends in a 1-0
HTHungaria leading 1-0 from a Penal and based on what I have seen of the 2nd half, not against the run of play either.
Finland1Bosnia-Herzegovina0
HT
Hungary0England0
If England want to compete and win trophies, they have to take these things seriously
England is going to get relegated to B after this start I think. If they
play this poor they may get sent home early from the World Cup too.
In article <3cde3e8d-51d3-4537...@googlegroups.com>,
Insane Ranter <log...@gmail.com> wrote:
England is going to get relegated to B after this start I think. If they >play this poor they may get sent home early from the World Cup too. Southgate on the block.--
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12:00
WalesUkraine World Cup 2022 qualifying
If Ukrania needed any more incentive, apparently Russia is blowing up Kyiv today. All of this just because Oil Companies are backing Putin in order to maximize profits.
2nd
San Marino 0 vs Malta 2
It is official, San Marino is worst of the least.
12:00
CyprusNorthern Ireland
12:00
There is a northern, Ireland? Isnt that called Scotland?
GibraltarNorth Macedonia
14:45
BulgariaGeorgia
14:45
Czech RepublicSpain
14:45
KosovoGreece
14:45
PortugalSwitzerland
14:45
SerbiaSlovenia
14:45
SwedenNorway
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 6:35:39 p.m. UTC-4, The Doctor wrote:
In article <3cde3e8d-51d3-4537...@googlegroups.com>,
Insane Ranter <log...@gmail.com> wrote:
England is going to get relegated to B after this start I think. If they >play this poor they may get sent home early from the World Cup too. Southgate on the block.--
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I realize none of you have any idea about football, you really dont have any idea bout life, but I am telling you haaland will score 50 goals a season in whatever liga he plays in
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 10:14:59 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
I realize none of you have any idea about football, you really dont have any idea bout life, but I am telling you haaland will score 50 goals a season in whatever liga he plays inPlease
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/t9f9_0cyJCk/m/esUDy5osAwAJ
Ciao,
Werner
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:32:20 p.m. UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 10:14:59 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
I realize none of you have any idea about football, you really dont have any idea bout life, but I am telling you haaland will score 50 goals a season in whatever liga he plays inPlease
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/t9f9_0cyJCk/m/esUDy5osAwAJ
Ciao,Yeah, but you are all gonna tell me it is cus his manager.
Werner
12:00
WalesUkraine World Cup 2022 qualifying
If Ukrania needed any more incentive, apparently Russia is blowing up Kyiv today. All of this just because Oil Companies are backing Putin in order to maximize profits.
2nd
San Marino 0 vs Malta 2
It is official, San Marino is worst of the least.
12:00
CyprusNorthern Ireland
12:00
There is a northern, Ireland? Isnt that called Scotland?
GibraltarNorth Macedonia
14:45
BulgariaGeorgia
14:45
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:[SNIP]
BulgariaGeorgiaI guess that's a new low for Bulgaria... up next, Gibraltar away!
14:45
Werner Pichler escreveu:
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:[SNIP]
BulgariaGeorgia
14:45
I guess that's a new low for Bulgaria... up next, Gibraltar away!
Indeed! What happened to them?
--
Lléo
So what did we learn from yesterdays results?
FT
Belgium
1
The Netherlands
4
So does this result mean the Belgium Golden Generation is over or that no one gives a shit about the Nations League?
In article <fcb57726-08e2-462e-9e63-17852471db38n@googlegroups.com>,
Binder Dundat <dundat@gmail.com> wrote:
So what did we learn from yesterdays results?
That Austria will win the WC or if they are not qualified, Netherlands
will win it, or maybe Danemark.
Belarus
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Belgium
1
The Netherlands
4
So does this result mean the Belgium Golden Generation is over or that
no one gives a shit about the Nations League?
Hope for Canada!
On 2022-06-04 08:43, The Doctor wrote:
In article <fcb57726-08e2-462e...@googlegroups.com>,
Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
So what did we learn from yesterdays results?
That Austria will win the WC or if they are not qualified, Netherlands
will win it, or maybe Danemark.
Belarus
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Belgium
1
The Netherlands
4
So does this result mean the Belgium Golden Generation is over or that
no one gives a shit about the Nations League?
Hope for Canada!Not if we can't figure out wage disputes with Soccer Canada.
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:29:45 a.m. UTC-4, MH wrote:is why Canadian players went on strike and did not play in the make up friendly vs Panama yesterday and if things keep going as they are, players will not field a team for the Nations Liga match on Thursday. That kinda attitude kinda rocks and sucks at
On 2022-06-04 08:43, The Doctor wrote:
In article <fcb57726-08e2-462e...@googlegroups.com>,
Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
So what did we learn from yesterdays results?
That Austria will win the WC or if they are not qualified, Netherlands >> will win it, or maybe Danemark.
Belarus
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Belgium
1
The Netherlands
4
So does this result mean the Belgium Golden Generation is over or that >> no one gives a shit about the Nations League?
Who needs a World Cup when CONCACAF and UEFA are doing Nation Leagues in which every country is invited and they are doing it in only 10 days, why waste months or years of qualifying and then a month for a tournament, it just all about the money. whichHope for Canada!Not if we can't figure out wage disputes with Soccer Canada.
I really dont know the ins and outs of the Canada deal, but it seems they dont like the way the CSA are allocating the money. In Canada, like the USA, women's football is probably as big or bigger than the mens game and I think part of the problem isto give the women the same as the men. May as well call off the 2026 WC already.
Meanwhile the UEFA teams are all obedient little boys and taking whatever deals they are given.
Latvia
Liechtenstein
14:45
Andorra
Moldova
14:45
Austria
Denmark
Was that win vs Croatia just NMA or is Austria maybe finally playing to their potential? Or should I be watching Bonaire vs Sint Maarten instead.
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 5:24:34 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
14:45
Austria
Denmark
Was that win vs Croatia just NMA or is Austria maybe finally playing to their potential? Or should I be watching Bonaire vs Sint Maarten instead.
More importantly, it's a UFWC match.
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:08:05 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 5:24:34 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
14:45
Austria
Denmark
Was that win vs Croatia just NMA or is Austria maybe finally playing to their potential? Or should I be watching Bonaire vs Sint Maarten instead.
More importantly, it's a UFWC match.Kick-off delayed due to massive power outage not only in the stadium, but the whole Vienna district where it's located.
It's a conspiracy! Evidently THEY don't want us to take the coveted UFWC title.
Ciao,
Werner
The Nations League has taken football to the next dimension,
What? No mention how Germany wuz robbed against England today?
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 11:08:01 UTC+12, Raja Nadar wrote:
What? No mention how Germany wuz robbed against England today?Yeah. I don't understand how Kane was given the penalty. He was not touched at all.
14:45
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?
14:45How much did you bet on it?
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?
How much did you bet on it?
14:45
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
On 2022-06-08 15:41, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:Okay they are at least the worst European team in the competition?
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:Almost certainly not.
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?
How much did you bet on it?
14:45
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
On 2022-06-09 12:10, Raja Nadar wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:55:28 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:Wales, Switzerland, Serbia and Croatia are all possibly as bad or worse. Wales just lost to Poland in the Nations' league.
On 2022-06-08 15:41, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:Okay they are at least the worst European team in the competition?
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote: >>>>>Almost certainly not.
Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?14:45How much did you bet on it?
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:55:28 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-08 15:41, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:Okay they are at least the worst European team in the competition?
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:Almost certainly not.
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote: >>>>>Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?
14:45How much did you bet on it?
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
On 2022-06-09 12:10, Raja Nadar wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:55:28 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-08 15:41, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:Okay they are at least the worst European team in the competition?
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote: >>>>>Almost certainly not.
Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?14:45How much did you bet on it?
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
Wales, Switzerland, Serbia and Croatia are all possibly as bad or worse. Wales just lost to Poland in the Nations' league.
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
12:00
WalesUkraine World Cup 2022 qualifying
If Ukrania needed any more incentive, apparently Russia is blowing up Kyiv today. All of this just because Oil Companies are backing Putin in order to maximize profits.
2nd
San Marino 0 vs Malta 2
It is official, San Marino is worst of the least.
12:00
CyprusNorthern Ireland
12:00
There is a northern, Ireland? Isnt that called Scotland?
GibraltarNorth Macedonia
14:45
BulgariaGeorgia
14:45
I guess that's a new low for Bulgaria... up next, Gibraltar away!
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:32:10 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-09 12:10, Raja Nadar wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:55:28 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-08 15:41, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:Okay they are at least the worst European team in the competition?
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote: >>>>>>>Almost certainly not.
Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?14:45How much did you bet on it?
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
Wales, Switzerland, Serbia and Croatia are all possibly as bad or worse.
Wales just lost to Poland in the Nations' league.
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer than in the last few editions
while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can be fun, but it misses the point entirely
if you _really_ want to discuss quality.
Ciao,
Werner
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like
Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really >should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ?
or maybe someone else) said that
if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to
the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before
the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4
of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it >easier to predict),
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail,
then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they >don't really exist.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and
less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in
the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I >would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales,
Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
It is just so difficult to keep up with all the Nations league games, hell it is hard to keep up with the different Nations leagues. But this summers greatest football tournament is passing the half way mark of this cycle, before it close down andrecycles at the end of summer, to return to the footballing pinnacle of this summer's greatest football tournament, possibly the greatest summer football tournament of all time.
Nations League
Wednesday 8 June 2022
FT
Belgium
6
Poland
1
Wait, whaaaat, really, but did not Holland just beat Belgium 4-1. Maybe news of Belgium's demise is a bit premature.
FT
On 2022-06-10 11:54, Binder Dundat wrote:recycles at the end of summer, to return to the footballing pinnacle of this summer's greatest football tournament, possibly the greatest summer football tournament of all time.
It is just so difficult to keep up with all the Nations league games, hell it is hard to keep up with the different Nations leagues. But this summers greatest football tournament is passing the half way mark of this cycle, before it close down and
Canada won without too much exertion in its nations' league match
against Curacao, 4-0. Goals Davies 2, Vittoria, and Cavallini. Not a terribly cohesive performance, but it has been a while. No settlement
on the labour dispute yet. Apparently this was the last game in Canada before the WC. Next up Honduras down there. Honduras and Curacao
traded wins in earlier games, so everyone is on 3 points in the table.
Nations League
Wednesday 8 June 2022
FT
Belgium
6
Poland
1
Wait, whaaaat, really, but did not Holland just beat Belgium 4-1. Maybe news of Belgium's demise is a bit premature.
FTThis result did not flatter Belgium at all. They meant business and De Bruyne, Carrasco, and a rusty E. Hazard were motivated from the start.
Some nice goals. Belgian back line still too geriatric, so suprised
they did not give some of the younger ones a trial once the score racked
up. Mignolet in net again. Thibault has a groin strain. Lukaku also
still injured.
Azerbaijan
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Moldova
2
Latvia
4
1st
Albania
0
Israel
0
HT
Andorra
0
Liechtenstein
0
HT
Austria
1
France
0
I think we can safely assume Austria will win the UEFA Nations league.
HT
Belarus
0
Kazakhstan
1
1st
Denmark
0
Croatia
0
Nations LeagueOn Friday, June 10, 2022 at 2:22:56 p.m. UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-10 11:54, Binder Dundat wrote:games, hell it is hard to keep up with the different Nations leagues.
It is just so difficult to keep up with all the Nations league
But this summers greatest football tournament is passing the half way
mark of this cycle, before it close down and recycles at the end of
summer, to return to the footballing pinnacle of this summer's greatest >football tournament, possibly the greatest summer football tournament of
all time.
Canada won without too much exertion in its nations' league match
against Curacao, 4-0. Goals Davies 2, Vittoria, and Cavallini. Not a
terribly cohesive performance, but it has been a while. No settlement
on the labour dispute yet. Apparently this was the last game in Canada
before the WC. Next up Honduras down there. Honduras and Curacao
traded wins in earlier games, so everyone is on 3 points in the table.
Maybe news of Belgium's demise is a bit premature.
Nations League
Wednesday 8 June 2022
FT
Belgium
6
Poland
1
Wait, whaaaat, really, but did not Holland just beat Belgium 4-1.
This result did not flatter Belgium at all. They meant business and De
FT
Bruyne, Carrasco, and a rusty E. Hazard were motivated from the start.
Some nice goals. Belgian back line still too geriatric, so suprised
they did not give some of the younger ones a trial once the score racked
up. Mignolet in net again. Thibault has a groin strain. Lukaku also
still injured.
Azerbaijan
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Moldova
2
Latvia
4
1st
Albania
0
Israel
0
HT
Andorra
0
Liechtenstein
0
HT
Austria
1
France
0
I think we can safely assume Austria will win the UEFA Nations league.
After 0:3 staying up is very probable, it's very likely we'll lose all
3 matches in the next 10 days.
On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 9:39:06 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
HT
Andorra
0
Liechtenstein
0
Now that Andorra have won this one 2-1, only three teams are still winless in three editions of
the UEFA Nations League:
San Marino 0-2-10
Northern Ireland 0-3-10
Ireland 0-5-7
Andorra are now 1-7-7.
Ciao,
Werner
HT
Andorra
0
Liechtenstein
0
On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 9:39:06 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat
wrote:
HT
Austria
1
France
0
I think we can safely assume Austria will win the UEFA
Nations league.
We should have drawn against Denmark and lost this one.
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can
be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like
Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that
if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to
the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before
the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4
of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it easier to predict),
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail,
then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they don't really exist.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in
the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales,
Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
This never ending league of Nations is still going, come on man, how can that be?
Even I am trying to come up with reason to keep following this never ending league. I think I would find it more interesting if teams were playing more youngsters or at least players on the fringe of their National teams. If I am not mistaken, Greeceand Turkei are winning this league and will play in the final.
At the moment half watching the Swiss trying to hang on to a 1-0 lead the held since the first minute against Portugal. If I can stay awake after the long drive back to the city.
Yesterday results
FT
The Netherlands
2
Poland
2
So does this now mean Netherlands are crap?
FT
Hungary
1
Germany
1
Germany have never won a Nations league match, partially cus they are crap and partially cus they really dont care.
FTfreaks. That is all they do, just run really fast and poison the opponents, oh yeah and bribe the refs. You now can pretty well blame them for all the Ukrainians being killed by Russians and the crazy gas prices.
Luxembourg
0
Turkey
2
FT
Montenegro
1
Bosnia-Herzegovina
1
FT
Romania
1
Finland
0
FT
Wales
1
Belgium
1
Ok so the Belgian Golden Generation is over? Or did the Welch do something to them as well? Bloody Welch, poisoned the Ukraine team before that WC qualifier, they will do anything to make a World Cup, those pointy headed, little road runner speed
FT
Faroe Islands
2
Lithuania
1
FT
Rep of Ireland
3
Scotland
0
I think this is a misprint and should read 1-0
FT
Ukraine
3
Armenia
0
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer
than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone likeActually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24).
Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that
if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4
of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it easier to predict),
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail,On the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA team had a poor World Cup, you'd usually see discussions how about an European non-qualifier would have performed better, ergo UEFA deserved more spots, even though UEFA had its share of poor WC teams. Concacaf usually was the main target IIRC.
then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they don't really exist.
Of course, if we use "croto" to "express lack of appreciation for the level of football shown", then obviously one would have more than a handful of crotos from all over the place as well. And they'll spring up like mushrooms when the 48-team WC comes around.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in
the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales,
Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).
I think it's probably going to be 10 this time around again. From the teams you mention, I think only one of Serbia or Switzerland goes through (unless Brasil screws up) and Mexico should edge out Poland. I don't know how to compare Wales to Iran or the US (Elo and FIFA rank all of them relatively close to each other; Elo has USA 21, Wales 22 and Iran 26 while FIFA has
USA 15, Wales 18 and Iran 21. FWIW, anyway).
--
Lléo
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Lléo wrote:
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer
than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss
quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4 of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it easier to predict),Actually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24).
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail, then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they don't really exist.On the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA team had a poor World Cup, you'd usually see discussions how about an European non-qualifier would have performed better, ergo UEFA deserved more
spots, even though UEFA had its share of poor WC teams. Concacaf usually was
the main target IIRC.
Of course, if we use "croto" to "express lack of appreciation for the level
of football shown", then obviously one would have more than a handful of crotos from all over the place as well. And they'll spring up like mushrooms
when the 48-team WC comes around.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales, Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
Ciao,
Werner
I think it's probably going to be 10 this time around again. From the teams
you mention, I think only one of Serbia or Switzerland goes through (unless
Brasil screws up) and Mexico should edge out Poland. I don't know how to compare Wales to Iran or the US (Elo and FIFA rank all of them relatively close to each other; Elo has USA 21, Wales 22 and Iran 26 while FIFA has USA 15, Wales 18 and Iran 21. FWIW, anyway).
--
Lléo
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Lléo wrote:
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer
than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss
quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4 of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it easier to predict),Actually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24).
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail, then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they don't really exist.On the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA team had a poor World Cup, you'd usually see discussions how about an European non-qualifier would have performed better, ergo UEFA deserved more
spots, even though UEFA had its share of poor WC teams. Concacaf usually was
the main target IIRC.
Of course, if we use "croto" to "express lack of appreciation for the level
of football shown", then obviously one would have more than a handful of crotos from all over the place as well. And they'll spring up like mushrooms
when the 48-team WC comes around.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales, Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two.
If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
Ciao,
Werner
I think it's probably going to be 10 this time around again. From the teams
you mention, I think only one of Serbia or Switzerland goes through (unless
Brasil screws up) and Mexico should edge out Poland. I don't know how to compare Wales to Iran or the US (Elo and FIFA rank all of them relatively close to each other; Elo has USA 21, Wales 22 and Iran 26 while FIFA has USA 15, Wales 18 and Iran 21. FWIW, anyway).
--
Lléo
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:26:59 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:say Brazil is already selected as the host for the next World Cup?
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Lléo wrote:
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the >>> second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that >>> were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two.
So if all European teams make it two Round 2, 1 North American team makes, 1 African team makes it and 1 Asian team makes it and bizarrely all South American teams get knocked out.... will we have the next World Cup with no South American teams even if
If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
Ciao,
Werner
I think it's probably going to be 10 this time around again. From the teams >>> you mention, I think only one of Serbia or Switzerland goes through (unless >>> Brasil screws up) and Mexico should edge out Poland. I don't know how to >>> compare Wales to Iran or the US (Elo and FIFA rank all of them relatively >>> close to each other; Elo has USA 21, Wales 22 and Iran 26 while FIFA has >>> USA 15, Wales 18 and Iran 21. FWIW, anyway).
--
Lléo
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Lléo wrote:
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer
than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss
quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4 of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it easier to predict),Actually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24).
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail, then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they don't really exist.On the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA team had a poor World Cup, you'd usually see discussions how about an European non-qualifier would have performed better, ergo UEFA deserved more
spots, even though UEFA had its share of poor WC teams. Concacaf usually was
the main target IIRC.
Of course, if we use "croto" to "express lack of appreciation for the level
of football shown", then obviously one would have more than a handful of crotos from all over the place as well. And they'll spring up like mushrooms
when the 48-team WC comes around.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales, Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 3:26:59 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
Given the current victimization of Oceania by FIFA, how would Oceania ever earn even 1 berth at the World Cup?
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 3:26:59 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Lléo wrote:
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer
than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating
teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can
be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss
quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA reallyActually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo
should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that
if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to
the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before
the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4
of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it
easier to predict),
explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24).
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail, then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as theyOn the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA
don't really exist.
team had a poor World Cup, you'd usually see discussions how about an European non-qualifier would have performed better, ergo UEFA deserved more
spots, even though UEFA had its share of poor WC teams. Concacaf usually was
the main target IIRC.
Of course, if we use "croto" to "express lack of appreciation for the level
of football shown", then obviously one would have more than a handful of crotos from all over the place as well. And they'll spring up like mushrooms
when the 48-team WC comes around.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and
less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I
would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales, Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to theI stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that
were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
In terms of pure meritocracy your position is hard to argue against, but for me the argument goes a bit further than only sporting merit.
A World Cup needs a minimum number of teams from each confederation to make it a World Cup.
If berths start becoming dependent on second round places we won’t have a World Cup but a “Europe plus Argentina, Brazil and Mexico Cup”.
RM
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 5:26:59 PM UTC+3, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Lléo wrote:
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the
second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that
were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).
I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
The argument is that there is no guarantee that if teams 1 to N (who make it to the second round) in a confederation are good, so are teams N+1 to 2N. It's the old "marginal team" argument.
I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart from
Senegal's heartbreak 2010 they've disappointed much more often than not.
Ciao,
Werner
RM
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom) after 4 matches. I suspect all those English press scribblers, will be going back to hating international football, calling theNations league glorified friendlies (as opposed to the greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 3:43:06 p.m. UTC-4, MH wrote:
I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart fromYou mean Ghana ?
Senegal's heartbreak 2010 they've disappointed much more often than not.
Senegal was 2002.
CAF has at least provided evidence of strength in depth, when you think
of Cameroon and Algeria 1982, Morocco 1986, Cameroon 1990, Nigeria 1994, Nigeria 1998, Senegal 2002, Ghana 2006, Ghana 2010, Nigeria + Algeria 2016, all making the second round (or at least the top 16 in the case of 1982). Yes, only one or two each time, but different teams, and quite a large selection of different qualifiers.
Ciao,
Werner
RM
Germany beating Italy 5-0 would be a bigger deal if not for England losing at home 3-0 to Hungaria.the Nations league glorified friendlies (as opposed to the greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 4:16:28 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom) after 4 matches. I suspect all those English press scribblers, will be going back to hating international football, calling
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 3:43:06 p.m. UTC-4, MH wrote:
I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart fromYou mean Ghana ?
Senegal's heartbreak 2010 they've disappointed much more often than not.
Senegal was 2002.
CAF has at least provided evidence of strength in depth, when you think of Cameroon and Algeria 1982, Morocco 1986, Cameroon 1990, Nigeria 1994, Nigeria 1998, Senegal 2002, Ghana 2006, Ghana 2010, Nigeria + Algeria 2016, all making the second round (or at least the top 16 in the case of 1982). Yes, only one or two each time, but different teams, and quite a large selection of different qualifiers.
Ciao,
Werner
RM
I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart fromYou mean Ghana ?
Senegal's heartbreak 2010 they've disappointed much more often than not.
Senegal was 2002.
CAF has at least provided evidence of strength in depth, when you think
of Cameroon and Algeria 1982, Morocco 1986, Cameroon 1990, Nigeria 1994, Nigeria 1998, Senegal 2002, Ghana 2006, Ghana 2010, Nigeria + Algeria
2016, all making the second round (or at least the top 16 in the case of 1982). Yes, only one or two each time, but different teams, and quite a large selection of different qualifiers.
Ciao,
Werner
RM
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom) after 4 matches. I >suspect all those English press scribblers, will be going back to hating international football, calling theNations league glorified friendlies (as >opposed to the greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 9:16:28 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:the Nations league glorified friendlies (as >opposed to the greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom) after 4 matches. I >suspect all those English press scribblers, will be going back to hating international football, calling
Never mind the press scribblers - am I allowed to change my Eurocrotto entry???
RM
On 2022-06-14 15:28, Real Mardin wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 9:16:28 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat
wrote:
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy
and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom)
after 4 matches. I >suspect all those English press scribblers,
will be going back to hating international football, calling
the Nations league glorified friendlies (as >opposed to the
greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and
changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
Never mind the press scribblers - am I allowed to change my
Eurocrotto entry???
Sure, up to July 1.
And don't look now, but France might also get relegated.
On 2022-06-14 15:28, Real Mardin wrote:the Nations league glorified friendlies (as >opposed to the greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 9:16:28 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom) after 4 matches. I >suspect all those English press scribblers, will be going back to hating international football, calling
Never mind the press scribblers - am I allowed to change my Eurocrotto entry???Sure, up to July 1.
And don't look now, but France might also get relegated.
RM
Well, it is finally over, the 10 days of Football frenzy called the UEFA Nations League is over (I think CONCACAF Nations league is also over), over for now that is, it will start again in September with two matches left. So who are the winners in thisWorld Cup warm up/nobody wanted to play it cool down? I am going to say Turkei, Greece and Latvia are the big winners, they had perfect records and should move up to Group B. France and England are the big losers and could be playing Group B whenever
For me, I probably feel a bit better about Germany's chances at the WM, but not much and that is mostly based on today's result, I still would not be overly shocked if Japan or Costa Rica beat Germany, I really think they will be relying on an 18 yearold Florian Wirtz to be back from injury for any hope of going far, defensively they are weak.
With all teams now set for the actual WM, here are the odds as of today. Portugal or Denmark look like the most likely new WM winners for me, maybe, big maybe, a non EUropean or South AMerican will win, but now that I see they are not playing on sandpitches in the Desert but on actual grass pitches in an Air Conditioned stadium I am less likely to think that. Can you really cool down a giant 80k seater stadium? How does that work? It has to have a roof, so then how does the grass grow????
Brazil: +450 (bet $10 to win $55 total)
England: +500 (bet $10 to win $60 total)
France: +550 (bet $10 to win $65 total)
Argentina: +750 (bet $10 to win $85 total)
Spain: +800 (bet $10 to win $90 total)
Germany: +1100 (bet $10 to win $120 total)
Portugal: +1200 (bet $10 to win $130 total)
Belgium: +1200 (bet $10 to win $130 total)
Netherlands: +1200 (bet $10 to win $130 total)
Denmark: +2500 (bet $10 to win $260 total)
Uruguay: +5000 (bet $10 to win $510 total)
Croatia: +5000 (bet $10 to win $510 total)
Switzerland: +8000 (bet $10 to win $810 total)
Senegal: +8000 (bet $10 to win $810 total)
United States: +10000 (bet $10 to win $1,010 total)
Poland: +12500 (bet $10 to win $1,260 total)
Ecuador: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total)
Serbia: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total)
Mexico: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total)
Wales: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total)
Canada: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total)
Cameroon: +20000 (bet $10 to win $2,010 total)
Ghana: +25000 (bet $10 to win $2,510 total)
South Korea: +25000 (bet $10 to win $2,010 total)
Saudi Arabia: +25000 (bet $10 to win $2,510 total)
Qatar: +25000 (bet $10 to win $2,510 total)
Morocco: +25000 (bet $10 to win $2,510 total)
Japan: +25000 (bet $10 to win $2,510 total)
Tunisia: +35000 (bet $10 to win $3,510 total)
Iran: +50000 (bet $10 to win $5,010 total)
Australia: +50000 (bet $10 to win $5,010 total)
Costa Rica: +150000 (bet $10 to win $15,010 total)
Sure, up to July 1.
And don't look now, but France might also get relegated.
I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart from
Senegal's heartbreak 2010 they've disappointed much more often than not.
You mean Ghana ?
Senegal was 2002.
CAF has at least provided evidence of strength in depth, when you think
of Cameroon and Algeria 1982, Morocco 1986, Cameroon 1990, Nigeria 1994, Nigeria 1998, Senegal 2002, Ghana 2006, Ghana 2010, Nigeria + Algeria
2016, all making the second round (or at least the top 16 in the case of 1982). Yes, only one or two each time, but different teams, and quite a large selection of different qualifiers.
The thrilling conclusion to the Nations League, with the most exciting factor being who gets picked for their NT. Will the players picked for the Nationsliga be the same ones going to Qatar?
France might win the WC, but they wont be winning the UNL.
On 2022-09-19 11:15, Binder Dundat wrote:The Newbie whom I thought would do well for Germany (Florian Wirtz) and be a big star in this WC, has not recovered from injury yet, so wont be ready in time for Qatar, so Germany has no chance again, probably wont get out of the group stage. I was
The thrilling conclusion to the Nations League, with the most exciting factor being who gets picked for their NT. Will the players picked for the Nationsliga be the same ones going to Qatar?Mostly yes. Ones out with shortterm injuries right now will probably
still get to Qatar. Some stellar performances could get a few newbies
into some squads.
Worried about the Canadian squad though. Osorio and Kaye and Hutchinson
all injured or just back from injury. Ditto Buchanan. Larin not even
getting a game these days. Laryea out of form.
me. Neither is doing well enough at his club.
Also a mystery why Russell Teibert, a fixture in the whitecaps line-up
when he is fit (which is nearly always) never even makes the squad.
One would think so. I think they play one more friendly after these
two games.
France might win the WC, but they wont be winning the UNL.
The last two games of the group stage (3 for Ukrania and Scotlandia) start tomorrow, with the make up game between
Scotland and Ukraine. I cant recall how the Nations league and EURO 24 qualification work together, but I know if you dont
qualify as one of the 48 teams to play in EURO 24 through the normal method, you can still get there through the Nations
league.
In League A, teams compete to become the UEFA Nations League champions. The four group winners of League A qualify
for the Nations League Finals in June 2023, which is played in a knockout format, consisting of the semi-finals, third place
play-off, and final. In the other groups, you get promoted if you win your group and relegated if you come last. the bottom
teams in Liga A also get relegated to Liga B.
On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:43:37 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
The last two games of the group stage (3 for Ukrania and Scotlandia) start tomorrow, with the make up game betweenThat last sentence is not altogether certain. It depends on whether and how the plan to add the CONMEBOL teams
Scotland and Ukraine. I cant recall how the Nations league and EURO 24 qualification work together, but I know if you dont
qualify as one of the 48 teams to play in EURO 24 through the normal method, you can still get there through the Nations
league.
In League A, teams compete to become the UEFA Nations League champions. The four group winners of League A qualify
for the Nations League Finals in June 2023, which is played in a knockout format, consisting of the semi-finals, third place
play-off, and final. In the other groups, you get promoted if you win your group and relegated if you come last. the bottom
teams in Liga A also get relegated to Liga B.
will be implemented in the next Nations League cycle.
Ciao,
Werner
The last two games of the group stage (3 for Ukrania and Scotlandia)
In League A, teams compete to become the UEFA Nations League champions. The four group winners of League A qualify for the Nations League Finals in June 2023, which is played in a knockout format, consisting of the semi-finals, third place play-off,and final. In the other groups, you get promoted if you win your group and relegated if you come last. the bottom teams in Liga A also get relegated to Liga B.
Outside of knowing that France, England, Wales and Poland will not win the Nations League, everything else is open. At this moment Hungary is top the Group of death.Tuesday, unless the Swiss or Czechs win this week and then things might be a bit more interesting. Hungary top Group of death A3, they play Germany in 3 days and if they win that match, they should win the group, otherwise it is between Italy, Hungary
Group A 1 is between Denmark and Croatia , the game on Thursday should decide the group winner. OK a draw in that match might give Austria a real longshot chance at winning the group. In Group A2, it is between Spain and Portugal, they play next
I wont go into the B,C and D divisions, outside of saying Russia will be relegated to the C division. Oh and Haaland is top scorer in the UNL at the moment.as bad as they were in the last WC and Euro. I dont know who really stands out from Europe this time? France of course look good on paper, but they seem to screw it up often, same with England, Spain seem to have some good young players coming through,
These two games should tell us who will make the final of the World Cup right, if you are playing well now in this uber competitive Nations league, you should be playing well in a month and a half in Qatar. Oliver Bierhoff tells me Germany will not be
Today's matches2-1 FT. Apparently Belarus were allowed to play, but Kaz is the winner of Sector C3 and will move to Sector B next year. Belarus still may fall down to Sector D, they probably will.
10:00
Kazakhstan
Belarus
Are Belarus allowed to play?
12:00
Latvia
Moldova
This a thrilling Liga D group 1 match Latvia should win. Latvia should advance to Liga C next time.
14:45
Belgium
Wales
This is a Liga A G4 match, Wales need to win to avoid relegation to Liga B, Belgium need to win to keep up hope of catching Holland.
14:45
Croatia
Denmark
I would say the match of the day takes place in LA G1. If the Danes win, they win the group, otherwise it goes down to the last matchday.
14:45
France
Austria
Another thrilling match from LA G1, France need to win to avoid getting relegated to Liga B.
14:45
Liechtenstein
Andorra
Neither team will leave Liga D
14:45
Lithuania
Faroe Islands
These two teams are in Liga C? Lithuania need to win to avoid going into Liga D
14:45
Poland
The Netherlands
Dutch need to win to top group LA D4
14:45
Slovakia
Azerbaijan
Some might say LC G3 is the toughest group
14:45
Turkey
Luxembourg
Turkei have all but won LC G1
On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:25:18 a.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Today's matches
10:002-1 FT. Apparently Belarus were allowed to play, but Kaz is the winner of Sector C3 and will move to Sector B next year. Belarus still may fall down to Sector D, they probably will.
Kazakhstan
Belarus
Are Belarus allowed to play?
12:00
Latvia
Moldova
This a thrilling Liga D group 1 match Latvia should win. Latvia should advance to Liga C next time.
14:45
Belgium
Wales
This is a Liga A G4 match, Wales need to win to avoid relegation to Liga B, Belgium need to win to keep up hope of catching Holland.
14:45
Croatia
Denmark
I would say the match of the day takes place in LA G1. If the Danes win, they win the group, otherwise it goes down to the last matchday.
14:45
France
Austria
Another thrilling match from LA G1, France need to win to avoid getting relegated to Liga B.
14:45
Liechtenstein
Andorra
Neither team will leave Liga D
14:45
Lithuania
Faroe Islands
These two teams are in Liga C? Lithuania need to win to avoid going into Liga D
14:45
Poland
The Netherlands
Dutch need to win to top group LA D4
14:45
Slovakia
Azerbaijan
Some might say LC G3 is the toughest group
14:45
Turkey
Luxembourg
Turkei have all but won LC G1
On 20.9.2022. 15:43, Binder Dundat wrote:
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:28:38 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:43:58 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:to spare. England, Italy and Germany to fight to avoid relegation. Hm.
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:38:10 PM UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 20.9.2022. 15:43, Binder Dundat wrote:In the Group of Death, HT scores:
Germany - Hungary 0-1
Italy - England 0-0
If these results hold, Hungary wins the group for sure with a game
Italy - England 1-0battle it out for the supremacy in the group.
Raspadori, with a quite a beautiful goal.
If results hold, the two teams that didn't make the World Cup will
Before, I had been only half-certain that UEFA would expand League A for
the next edition, but now I'm 100% sure.
Ciao,
Werner
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:38:10 PM UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 20.9.2022. 15:43, Binder Dundat wrote:In the Group of Death, HT scores:
Germany - Hungary 0-1
Italy - England 0-0
If these results hold, Hungary wins the group for sure with a game to spare. England, Italy and Germany to fight to avoid relegation. Hm.
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:43:58 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:38:10 PM UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 20.9.2022. 15:43, Binder Dundat wrote:In the Group of Death, HT scores:
Germany - Hungary 0-1
Italy - England 0-0
If these results hold, Hungary wins the group for sure with a game to spare. England, Italy and Germany to fight to avoid relegation. Hm.Italy - England 1-0
Raspadori, with a quite a beautiful goal.
If results hold, the two teams that didn't make the World Cup will battle it out for the supremacy in the group.
In article <af85fc63-ea2c-434a-943e-3ae0bf57f886n@googlegroups.com>,
Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:
Before, I had been only half-certain that UEFA would expand League
A for the next edition, but now I'm 100% sure.
Is Southgate in trouble?
FT
Germany
0
Hungary
1
FT
Italy
1
England
0
These two matches show us that WC qualifying does not work. A bit more surprised by how poor England is, Germany just
dont have any good players so I expect them to lose.
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 2:59:11 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
FT
Germany
0
Hungary
1
FT
Italy
1
England
0
These two matches show us that WC qualifying does not work. A bit more surprised by how poor England is, Germany justYou know you have a problem when you see unironic suggestions being made to call up Simon Terodde.
dont have any good players so I expect them to lose.
Ciao,
Werner
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 10:59:38 a.m. UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 2:59:11 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
FT
Germany
0
Hungary
1
FT
Italy
1
England
0
These two matches show us that WC qualifying does not work. A bit more surprised by how poor England is, Germany
just dont have any good players so I expect them to lose.
You know you have a problem when you see unironic suggestions being made to call up Simon Terodde.
Are they still talking about him? I thought that was years ago. I seem to recall the signs in the stadiums.
Norway play in Slovenia today, right now actually and I can report Erlling Haaland has NOT scored a goal, I repeat has NOT
scored a goal yet.
Both him and Sorloth are playing, which must be the biggest forward duo in history.
In non UEFA news, Canada played yesterday and beat Qatar 2-0 in Vienna apparently.
Which is good for Canada, but not great for the seeded hosts.
The Swiss doing what the Swiss do and leading Spain 1-0 in Spain. I dont know if it is true, but the Swiss seem beat Spain
regularly.
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:33:59 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 10:59:38 a.m. UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 2:59:11 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
FT
Germany
0
Hungary
1
FT
Italy
1
England
0
These two matches show us that WC qualifying does not work. A bit more surprised by how poor England is, Germany
just dont have any good players so I expect them to lose.
You know you have a problem when you see unironic suggestions being made to call up Simon Terodde.
Are they still talking about him? I thought that was years ago. I seem to recall the signs in the stadiums.Well, he's basically on one goal per game in the 2nd Bundesliga, so you can see the appeal, but
he's also on one goal per season in the 1st.
Norway play in Slovenia today, right now actually and I can report Erlling Haaland has NOT scored a goal, I repeat has NOTFake news!
scored a goal yet.
But Šeško looks like he's going to one-up his Salzburg predecessor.
Or Norway are doing everything they can to get Sweden relegated.
Both him and Sorloth are playing, which must be the biggest forward duo in history.
In non UEFA news, Canada played yesterday and beat Qatar 2-0 in Vienna apparently.Yeah, in Austria Vienna's stadium. Iran also played Uruguay (1-0) in St. Pölten (behind closed doors), and Paraguay beat
the UAE 1-0 in Wiener Neustadt. Oh that second-hand World Cup glamour!
Which is good for Canada, but not great for the seeded hosts.They were poor, by all accounts.
Ciao,
Werner
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
The Swiss doing what the Swiss do and leading Spain 1-0 in Spain. I dont know if it is true, but the Swiss seem beat SpainThat happened exactly once in the history of the sport, and didn't do the Swiss any good on the occasion (2010 World Cup).
regularly.
You're probably thinking of last year's EURO quarterfinal that went to penalties (where Switzerland lost).
Ciao,
Werner
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 3:40:06 p.m. UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
The Swiss doing what the Swiss do and leading Spain 1-0 in Spain. I dont know if it is true, but the Swiss seem beat SpainThat happened exactly once in the history of the sport, and didn't do the Swiss any good on the occasion (2010 World Cup).
regularly.
You're probably thinking of last year's EURO quarterfinal that went to penalties (where Switzerland lost).
Ciao,It has happened twice now, Meanwhile Portugal win comfortably and only need a draw at home v Spain in a few days.
Werner
Scotland beat Ireland 2-1 and will play in Ukraine, which I assume means Poland, for top spot. No way can little Scotland get into Sector A. Oh the Limeys will never hear the end of it if Scotland is in Sector A and England is in Sector B.
Looks like our manager is replacing half of the team and Lovren is
starting today,
there's an opportunity for Austria.
On 25.9.2022. 19:27, vedran wrote:
Looks like our manager is replacing half of the team and Lovren is
starting today,
there's an opportunity for Austria.
...which they squandered in the first half.
I must admit, that defending when Lovren scored was hilarious.
Everyone fears he'll now go to Qatar and ruin what was built in this league.
And with the triple substitution in the second which destroyed our cohesion in the
back and immediately led to two goals against.
It's the quandary of the Nations League - as replacement for friendlies you want to use
them to test things, but the nature of testing things is that it might not work out.
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 6:49:29 AM UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 26.9.2022. 8:27, Werner Pichler wrote:In a rematch of the 1938 World Cup final (hmm...I wonder why *that* came to mind?):
33' Hungary - Italy 0-1
On 26.9.2022. 8:27, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 3:23:51 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 6:49:29 AM UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 26.9.2022. 8:27, Werner Pichler wrote:In a rematch of the 1938 World Cup final (hmm...I wonder why *that* came to mind?):
33' Hungary - Italy 0-1The match also determines the winner of Group A3. Hungary just needs a draw.
Elsewhere, in a Meaningless Friendly(tm), England came back from 2-0 down and now leads Germany 3-2 with a handful of minutes left.
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 6:49:29 AM UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 26.9.2022. 8:27, Werner Pichler wrote:In a rematch of the 1938 World Cup final (hmm...I wonder why *that* came to mind?):
33' Hungary - Italy 0-1The match also determines the winner of Group A3. Hungary just needs a draw.
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 6:49:29 AM UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 26.9.2022. 8:27, Werner Pichler wrote:In a rematch of the 1938 World Cup final (hmm...I wonder why *that* came to mind?):
33' Hungary - Italy 0-1The match also determines the winner of Group A3. Hungary just needs a draw.
82' Italy up 2-0.
Nick Pope gifts Germany the equaliser only seconds after Steffen Freund said 'I'm really worried for the World Cup' on German TV.
82' Italy up 2-0.
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:27:33 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
82' Italy up 2-0.And that's the FT score. So Italy qualifies for the UNL Final Four for a second year in a row.
When the WC will start, Italy will have an Elo rating of around 1970-1980, and will likely be the 9th highest ranked team in the world (maybe even 8th?)
Question: is this a record for a team that does not qualify for the World Cup?
I had time to only check 2018 and 2014:
2018 Best ranked non-qualifier: Netherlands rating 1908, rank 11
2014 Ukraine, 1840, 17
???
Other likely candidates:
Netherlands 1982
France 1990 and 1994
Czech Republic, Russia 1998
Greece 2006?
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:27:33 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
82' Italy up 2-0.And that's the FT score. So Italy qualifies for the UNL Final Four for a second year in a row.
When the WC will start, Italy will have an Elo rating of around 1970-1980, and will likely be the 9th highest ranked team in the world (maybe even 8th?)
Question: is this a record for a team that does not qualify for the World Cup?
I had time to only check 2018 and 2014:
2018 Best ranked non-qualifier: Netherlands rating 1908, rank 11
2014 Ukraine, 1840, 17
???
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:35:26 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
Nick Pope gifts Germany the equaliser only seconds after Steffen Freund said 'I'm really worried for the World Cup' on German TV.
Nick Pope is by far the best English goalkeeper, and I will not tolerate any arguments!
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game in YEARS.
If we don't win and thus drop to level C, we will officially be the worst team of all five Nordic countries.
Denmark (A)
Norway (B/A)
Iceland (B)
Finland (B)
Sweden (B/C)
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On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:37:42 AM UTC+2, anders t wrote:
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game in YEARS.
If we don't win and thus drop to level C, we will officially be the worst team of all five Nordic countries.
Denmark (A)The Faroes are in C
Norway (B/A)
Iceland (B)
Finland (B)
Sweden (B/C)
1-0 Slovenia. Great volley by Šeško.
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:14:58 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:37:42 AM UTC+2, anders t wrote:
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game in YEARS.
If we don't win and thus drop to level C, we will officially be the worst
team of all five Nordic countries.
Denmark (A)The Faroes are in C
Norway (B/A)
Iceland (B)
Finland (B)
Sweden (B/C)
1-0 Slovenia. Great volley by Šeško.1-1 Forsberg from a solo run. RB coming through for both teams.
Pretty wild match. Fun to watch.
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:14:58 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:37:42 AM UTC+2, anders t wrote:
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game in YEARS.The Faroes are in C
If we don't win and thus drop to level C, we will officially be the worst >> > team of all five Nordic countries.
Denmark (A)
Norway (B/A)
Iceland (B)
Finland (B)
Sweden (B/C)
1-0 Slovenia. Great volley by eko.
1-1 Forsberg from a solo run. RB coming through for both teams.
Pretty wild match. Fun to watch.
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game in YEARS.
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:14:58 PM UTC+2, Werner
Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:37:42 AM UTC+2, anders
t wrote:
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game inThe Faroes are in C
YEARS.
If we don't win and thus drop to level C, we will
officially be the worst team of all five Nordic
countries.
Denmark (A)
Norway (B/A)
Iceland (B)
Finland (B)
Sweden (B/C)
1-0 Slovenia. Great volley by eko.
1-1 Forsberg from a solo run. RB coming through for both
teams.
Pretty wild match. Fun to watch.
Total utter misery. We are a C-nation in Europe.
France 1990 and 1994
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game in YEARS.
If we don't win and thus drop to level C, we will officially be the worst team of all five Nordic countries.
Denmark (A)
Norway (B/A)
Iceland (B)
Finland (B)
Sweden (B/C)
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On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:37:42 AM UTC+2, anders t wrote:
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game in YEARS.
Also, belying the 'unimportance' of the competition, the Nations League results
have also determined the pots for the EURO 2024 qualifying draw on October 9.
Pot 1
Netherlands
Croatia
Spain
Italy
(those 4 will be drawn into five-team groups in order to have free
matchdays for the NL finals)
Denmark
Portugal
Belgium
Hungary
Switzerland
Poland
Pot 2
France
Austria
Czech Republic
England
Wales
Israel
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Serbia
Scotland
Finland
Pot 3
Ukraine
Iceland
Norway
Slovenia
Ireland
Albania
Montenegro
Romania
Sweden
Armenia
Pot 4
Georgia
Greece
Turkey
Kazakhstan
Luxembourg
Azerbaijan
Kosovo
Bulgaria
Faroe Islands
North Macedonia
Pot 5
Slovakia
Northern Ireland
Cyprus
Belarus
Lithuania
Gibraltar
Estonia
Latvia
Moldova
Malta
Pot 6
Andorra
San Marino
Liechtenstein
Russia excluded, Germany are qualified as hosts.
Ciao,
Werner
In article <49250d0c-9bac-494f...@googlegroups.com>,
Werner Pichler <wpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:37:42 AM UTC+2, anders t wrote:
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game in YEARS.
Also, belying the 'unimportance' of the competition, the Nations League results
have also determined the pots for the EURO 2024 qualifying draw on October 9.
Pot 1
Netherlands
Croatia
Spain
Italy
(those 4 will be drawn into five-team groups in order to have free >matchdays for the NL finals)
Denmark
Portugal
Belgium
Hungary
Switzerland
Poland
Pot 2
France
Austria
Czech Republic
England
Wales
Israel
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Serbia
Scotland
Finland
Pot 3
Ukraine
Iceland
Norway
Slovenia
Ireland
Albania
Montenegro
Romania
Sweden
Armenia
Pot 4
Georgia
Greece
Turkey
Kazakhstan
Luxembourg
Azerbaijan
Kosovo
Bulgaria
Faroe Islands
North Macedonia
Pot 5
Slovakia
Northern Ireland
Cyprus
Belarus
Lithuania
Gibraltar
Estonia
Latvia
Moldova
Malta
Pot 6
Andorra
San Marino
Liechtenstein
Russia excluded, Germany are qualified as hosts.
Ciao,
Werner
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Total utter misery. We are a C-nation in Europe.
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:37:42 AM UTC+2, anders t wrote:
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game in YEARS.Also, belying the 'unimportance' of the competition, the Nations League results
have also determined the pots for the EURO 2024 qualifying draw on October 9.
Pot 1
Netherlands
Croatia
Spain
Italy
(those 4 will be drawn into five-team groups in order to have free matchdays for the NL finals)
Denmark
Portugal
Belgium
Hungary
Switzerland
Poland
Pot 2
France
Austria
Czech Republic
England
Wales
Israel
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Serbia
Scotland
Finland
Pot 3
Ukraine
Iceland
Norway
Slovenia
Ireland
Albania
Montenegro
Romania
Sweden
Armenia
Pot 4
Georgia
Greece
Turkey
Kazakhstan
Luxembourg
Azerbaijan
Kosovo
Bulgaria
Faroe Islands
North Macedonia
Pot 5
Slovakia
Northern Ireland
Cyprus
Belarus
Lithuania
Gibraltar
Estonia
Latvia
Moldova
Malta
Pot 6
Andorra
San Marino
Liechtenstein
Futbolmetrix écrivit en ce mardi :
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:23:58 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler
wrote:
Nick Pope is by far the best English goalkeeper, and I will nothttps://twitter.com/WhoScored/status/1574501276402040834
tolerate any arguments!
Lies, damn lies, and statistics!
Scotland in League A.
England in League B.
Funny.
anders t a formul la demande :
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:14:58 PM UTC+2, Werner
Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:37:42 AM UTC+2, anders t
wrote:
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game inThe Faroes are in C 1-0 Slovenia. Great volley by ?e?ko.
YEARS. If we don't win and thus drop to level C, we will
officially be the worst team of all five Nordic countries.
Denmark (A) Norway (B/A) Iceland (B) Finland (B) Sweden
(B/C)
1-1 Forsberg from a solo run. RB coming through for both teams.
Pretty wild match. Fun to watch.
Total utter misery. We are a C-nation in Europe.
One year after beeing an A-nation !
Futbolmetrix crivit en ce mardi :
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:23:58 PM UTC-4, Werner
Pichler wrote:
Nick Pope is by far the best English goalkeeper, and I willhttps://twitter.com/WhoScored/status/1574501276402040834
not tolerate any arguments!
Lies, damn lies, and statistics!
Scotland in League A.
England in League B.
Funny.
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:23:58 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler
wrote:
Nick Pope is by far the best English goalkeeper, and I will nothttps://twitter.com/WhoScored/status/1574501276402040834
tolerate any arguments!
Lies, damn lies, and statistics!
(those 4 will be drawn into five-team groups in order to have free
matchdays for the NL finals)
You just knew it would happen, Scotland is an A team and England is
a B team. Never gonna hear the end of this, the Scots will be
telling us all how they invented football for the next year or two.
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:27:33 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
82' Italy up 2-0.
And that's the FT score. So Italy qualifies for the UNL Final Four for a second year in a row.
Will this lead to the end of the World Cup as we know it? Already
this Winter World Cup is getting negative press and allegedly a lot
of people are boycotting watching it for various reasons.
I like to think this is the year we get a new WC winner.
On 2022-09-27, Binder Dundat wrote:
Will this lead to the end of the World Cup as we know it? Already
this Winter World Cup is getting negative press and allegedly a lot
of people are boycotting watching it for various reasons.
I read that a total of 2000 tickets have been sold to Danish
supporters, for the 3 group stage matches.
I like to think this is the year we get a new WC winner.
It's been 12 years since the last. And that was 12 years after the
previous first time winner.
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
anders t a formul la demande :
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:14:58 PM UTC+2, Werner
Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:37:42 AM UTC+2, anders t
wrote:
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game inThe Faroes are in C 1-0 Slovenia. Great volley by ?e?ko.
YEARS. If we don't win and thus drop to level C, we will
officially be the worst team of all five Nordic countries.
Denmark (A) Norway (B/A) Iceland (B) Finland (B) Sweden
(B/C)
1-1 Forsberg from a solo run. RB coming through for both teams.
Pretty wild match. Fun to watch.
Total utter misery. We are a C-nation in Europe.
One year after beeing an A-nation !
If only people actually cared about the Friendlies League... oh sorry, >Nations League!
I've just seen Denmark's World Cup kits, which are said to be a
protest by Hummel (at least within the bounds that don't get them or
Denmark a sanction). What do you think?
Quoting Blueshirt in rec.sport.soccer:
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
countries. >> > > > > Denmark (A) Norway (B/A) Iceland (B)anders t a formulé la demande :
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:14:58 PM UTC+2, Werner
Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:37:42 AM UTC+2, anders t
wrote:
Tonight, Sweden's honour plays its most important game in
YEARS. If we don't win and thus drop to level C, we will
officially be the worst team of all five Nordic
Finland (B) Sweden >> > > > > (B/C)
teams. >> > >The Faroes are in C 1-0 Slovenia. Great volley by ?e?ko.
1-1 Forsberg from a solo run. RB coming through for both
Pretty wild match. Fun to watch.
Total utter misery. We are a C-nation in Europe.
One year after beeing an A-nation !
If only people actually cared about the Friendlies League... oh
sorry, Nations League!
It is so unimportant that we now also dropped to pot three for the
ECQ. But who cares?
Lléo wrote:
I think a proper protest would be to not go to Qatar in the first
place. Some nations want to virtue signal their opposition to the
rulers of Qatar with 'protest' kits and arm-bands but they are quite
happy to take the money and go to Qatar. Either you believe in
something or you don't.
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 6:26:48 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
Lléo wrote:
I think a proper protest would be to not go to Qatar in the first
place. Some nations want to virtue signal their opposition to the
rulers of Qatar with 'protest' kits and arm-bands but they are
quite happy to take the money and go to Qatar. Either you believe
in something or you don't.
Yes. Only Italy has taken a proper principled position!
On 27.9.2022. 22:37, anders t wrote:
Total utter misery. We are a C-nation in Europe.
I don't know what's worse, league C or losing to Serbia 4:1,
heads would fall here if latter happened to us. Strange times
have come.
It is so unimportant that we now also dropped to pot three
for the ECQ. But who cares?
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