On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 2:11:56 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:would be the first time Forest have been in the 1st division since Trevor Francis left.
This tie is done according to the math equation I saw, but I will let you math nerds verify.
If team X has never scored more than 2 goals in a match and team Y has never scored less than 1 goal in a match, can team X come back in the second match of a two round tie if team Y won the first match 2-0?
There is an interesting match in the WWEpl 2nd div ( I think it is actually called the WCW?) on now between Borneo and Nottingham Forest. If Forest win they will be in the drivers seat for a return to the 1st div ( they just hit the post,0-0). This
The old timers here will remember a Real Madrid fan on RSS called Raulinho7, who used to troll Barca by saying that they had won fewer European Cups than Nottingham Forest. Remarkably, that was true until 2006. It would be nice to see Forest back inthe top flight. Isn't Nottingham one of the largest cities in Europe without domestic top flight representation?
This tie is done according to the math equation I saw, but I will let you math nerds verify.
If team X has never scored more than 2 goals in a match and team Y has never scored less than 1 goal in a match, can team X come back in the second match of a two round tie if team Y won the first match 2-0?
This tie is done according to the math equation I saw, but I will let you math nerds verify.would be the first time Forest have been in the 1st division since Trevor Francis left.
If team X has never scored more than 2 goals in a match and team Y has never scored less than 1 goal in a match, can team X come back in the second match of a two round tie if team Y won the first match 2-0?
There is an interesting match in the WWEpl 2nd div ( I think it is actually called the WCW?) on now between Borneo and Nottingham Forest. If Forest win they will be in the drivers seat for a return to the 1st div ( they just hit the post,0-0). This
Better verify this equation.
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Better verify this equation.
And we have a semifinal on our hands...
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:A bit surprised by that scoreline, but totally deserved.
Better verify this equation.
And we have a semifinal on our hands...
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 2:11:56 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:would be the first time Forest have been in the 1st division since Trevor Francis left.
This tie is done according to the math equation I saw, but I will let you math nerds verify.
If team X has never scored more than 2 goals in a match and team Y has never scored less than 1 goal in a match, can team X come back in the second match of a two round tie if team Y won the first match 2-0?
There is an interesting match in the WWEpl 2nd div ( I think it is actually called the WCW?) on now between Borneo and Nottingham Forest. If Forest win they will be in the drivers seat for a return to the 1st div ( they just hit the post,0-0). This
The old timers here will remember a Real Madrid fan on RSS called Raulinho7, who used to troll Barca by saying that they had won fewer European Cups than Nottingham Forest. Remarkably, that was true until 2006. It would be nice to see Forest back inthe top flight. Isn't Nottingham one of the largest cities in Europe without domestic top flight representation?
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:44:26 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Better verify this equation.
And we have a semifinal on our hands...N.I.G.H.T.M.A.R.E.
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:28:03 p.m. UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:52:41 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:44:26 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:Liverpool woke up in the second half. 2-2, tie over
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:N.I.G.H.T.M.A.R.E.
Better verify this equation.
And we have a semifinal on our hands...
Didn't any of you read " Team X never scores more than 2 goals and team
Y never scores less than 1"?
0-0 ht. Forest need to win for a chance at direct promotion, I think they will be in the play off regardless of the score today.
I guess they dont have the VARobots in the 2nd div. Forest denied a good chance and penalty due to a really bad offside call, he looked onside >by a metre.
Forest look the better side from what I have seen, though that could be due to their kit, which is this bright, neon yellow and orange that looks >just like the safety vests worn by highway construction workers.
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:52:41 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:44:26 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Better verify this equation.
Liverpool woke up in the second half. 2-2, tie overAnd we have a semifinal on our hands...N.I.G.H.T.M.A.R.E.
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:52:41 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:44:26 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Better verify this equation.
Liverpool woke up in the second half. 2-2, tie overAnd we have a semifinal on our hands...N.I.G.H.T.M.A.R.E.
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:28:03 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:some serious psychological and tactical fine-tuning at halftime.
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:52:41 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:44:26 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Better verify this equation.
In continuation of my Klopp worship, few managers show better in-game management than him. Most regular Liverpool watchers will attest that this happens time after time - a staid first half performance followed by fireworks in the second, spurned byLiverpool woke up in the second half. 2-2, tie overAnd we have a semifinal on our hands...N.I.G.H.T.M.A.R.E.
https://phantom-marca.unidadeditorial.es/9ac3e3568006e9f5834e3608c92d09e3/resize/660/f/webp/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2022/05/03/16516115873479.png
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:13:31 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
https://phantom-marca.unidadeditorial.es/9ac3e3568006e9f5834e3608c92d09e3/resize/660/f/webp/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2022/05/03/16516115873479.png
Villarreal in red and Liverpool in yellow/gold? Someone should fire the Marca graphics person
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:31:20 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:13:31 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
https://phantom-marca.unidadeditorial.es/9ac3e3568006e9f5834e3608c92d09e3/resize/660/f/webp/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2022/05/03/16516115873479.png
Villarreal in red and Liverpool in yellow/gold? Someone should fire the Marca graphics person:-)
Or their QA person.
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 12:13:55 p.m. UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com
wrote: Real are out passing and out possessing City right now, I
think they are going to nick this.
Not only can these teams make a 4-3 boring, they can make a 0-0 bring
as well.
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:38:13 p.m. UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 12:13:55 p.m. UTC-4,
alka...@hotmail.com wrote: Real are out passing and out
possessing City right now, I think they are going to nick this.
Not only can these teams make a 4-3 boring, they can make a 0-0I don't think it's a boring match, it looks like Real will regret
bring as well.
their missed chances though.
I find the pace of the game to be quite slow.
Another all-English Champions League Final is on the cards at this
rate.
Yeah, it is over, new money wins
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 12:13:55 p.m. UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote: Real are out passing and out possessing City right now, I
think they are going to nick this.
Not only can these teams make a 4-3 boring, they can make a 0-0 bringI don't think it's a boring match, it looks like Real will regret their missed chances though.
as well.
Another all-English Champions League Final is on the cards at this rate.
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:38:13 p.m. UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 12:13:55 p.m. UTC-4,
alka...@hotmail.com wrote: Real are out passing and out
possessing City right now, I think they are going to nick this.
Not only can these teams make a 4-3 boring, they can make a 0-0I don't think it's a boring match, it looks like Real will regret
bring as well.
their missed chances though.
I find the pace of the game to be quite slow.Well, compared to last week's match it probably is, but it has been end-to-end, just not at the frantic pace of the first leg.
Another all-English Champions League Final is on the cards at this
rate.
Yeah, it is over, new money winsMaybe not just yet! ;-)
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:38:13 p.m. UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 12:13:55 p.m. UTC-4,
alka...@hotmail.com wrote: Real are out passing and out
possessing City right now, I think they are going to nick this.
Not only can these teams make a 4-3 boring, they can make a 0-0I don't think it's a boring match, it looks like Real will regret
bring as well.
their missed chances though.
I find the pace of the game to be quite slow.Well, compared to last week's match it probably is, but it has been end-to-end, just not at the frantic pace of the first leg.
Another all-English Champions League Final is on the cards at this
rate.
Yeah, it is over, new money winsMaybe not just yet! ;-)
Maybe not just yet! ;-)
bleeping Real Madrid
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:48:06 PM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:38:13 p.m. UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 12:13:55 p.m. UTC-4,
alka...@hotmail.com wrote: Real are out passing and out
possessing City right now, I think they are going to nick this.
Not only can these teams make a 4-3 boring, they can make a 0-0I don't think it's a boring match, it looks like Real will regret
bring as well.
their missed chances though.
I find the pace of the game to be quite slow.Well, compared to last week's match it probably is, but it has been end-to-end, just not at the frantic pace of the first leg.
Another all-English Champions League Final is on the cards at this rate.
bleeping Real MadridYeah, it is over, new money winsMaybe not just yet! ;-)
On 4.5.2022. 22:51, Futbolmetrix wrote:
Maybe not just yet! ;-)
bleeping Real MadridWhere is AGR now when you need it...
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:57:36 p.m. UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 4.5.2022. 22:51, Futbolmetrix wrote:
Maybe not just yet! ;-)
bleeping Real MadridWhere is AGR now when you need it...
The good news for Mancity is they have almost 30 minutes to get it
back
On 4.5.2022. 22:51, Futbolmetrix wrote:
Maybe not just yet! ;-)
bleeping Real MadridWhere is AGR now when you need it...
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:15:14 p.m. UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:57:36 p.m. UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 4.5.2022. 22:51, Futbolmetrix wrote:
Maybe not just yet! ;-)
bleeping Real MadridWhere is AGR now when you need it...
The good news for Mancity is they have almost 30 minutes to get
it back
The way the two legs of this semi-final have gone absolutely
ANYTHING could happen!!!
Oh dear, Man City not only need to by Haaland, they need to buy new defenders.
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:57:36 p.m. UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 4.5.2022. 22:51, Futbolmetrix wrote:
Where is AGR now when you need it...Maybe not just yet! ;-)
bleeping Real Madrid
The good news for Mancity is they have almost 30 minutes to get it
back
The way the two legs of this semi-final have gone absolutely ANYTHING
could happen!!!
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:57:36 p.m. UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 4.5.2022. 22:51, Futbolmetrix wrote:
Maybe not just yet! ;-)
bleeping Real MadridWhere is AGR now when you need it...
The good news for Mancity is they have almost 30 minutes to get itThe way the two legs of this semi-final have gone absolutely ANYTHING
back
could happen!!!
In article <t4uqcv$nru$1...@dont-email.me>,
Blueshirt <blue...@indigo.news> wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:57:36 p.m. UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 4.5.2022. 22:51, Futbolmetrix wrote:
Where is AGR now when you need it...Maybe not just yet! ;-)
bleeping Real Madrid
The good news for Mancity is they have almost 30 minutes to get it
back
The way the two legs of this semi-final have gone absolutely ANYTHINGParis UCL game
could happen!!!
Liverpool vs RMadrid!
Red vs White!
Madrid, Madrid, Maaaadrid,.........Maaaaaaaaadriiiiiiiiiid...................HALA MADRID!!!!
No "FA Cup Final" in the Champions League! *Thank you* Real Madrid!
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:39:34 PM UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
Madrid, Madrid, Maaaadrid,.........Maaaaaaaaadriiiiiiiiiid...................HALA MADRID!!!!
No "FA Cup Final" in the Champions League! *Thank you* Real Madrid!I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad not to see an all-EPL final. Also, this is also Alkamista's fault: his poll and the overwhelming lead taken by Guardiola obviously angered the Weaufx Gods
There is something supernatural at play here. Not once, not twice, but thrice. The pundits will all
come out with their 20/20 hindsight and try to explain what happened, but the truth is that this pattern is inexplicable.
I said earlier on a Liverpool board earlier today that while Real will be easier opponents than City, losing to Real will be more painful (after 2018).
There is something supernatural at play here. Not once, not twice, but thrice.
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:55:07 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
There is something supernatural at play here. Not once, not twice, but thrice. The pundits will allNah. There is a lot of this type of punditry going around tonight:
come out with their 20/20 hindsight and try to explain what happened, but the truth is that this pattern is inexplicable.
https://xkcd.com/904/
It's not about Madrid's "DNA" or other such silliness. Sometimes, football happens. And some rarer times, it happens more than once in the same direction.
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad not
to see an all-EPL final.
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 6:46:13 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:55:07 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
There is something supernatural at play here. Not once, not twice, but thrice. The pundits will all
come out with their 20/20 hindsight and try to explain what happened, but the truth is that this pattern is inexplicable.
Nah. There is a lot of this type of punditry going around tonight:
https://xkcd.com/904/
It's not about Madrid's "DNA" or other such silliness. Sometimes, football happens. And some rarer times, it happens more than once in the same direction.
Yes I agree that random things happen, even in abundance in clusters sometimes. I read a book in college (eons ago) on interesting statistical anomalies. It had
an anecdote about an Amtrak train in the 80s that got into 4-5 accidents (some fatal) within a span of less than 48 hours. The crew and management freaked
out and labeled it a "rogue train" and decommissioned it. But taking a larger view, the author concluded that with the sheer volume of train traffic over decades
and decades, the statistical probability that a single train (or maybe more) will get into multiple accidents in a short span of time was virtually guaranteed. So
Real Madrid is that train here (but in a positive sense for them).
On the flip side, as mentioned earlier, they are very fortunate that all 3 ties had them playing home in the second leg. And it's also undeniable that psychology
plays a big part in the game, and once Real got even a little momentum late in these games, the opposition shat their pants (and that mental effect snowballed
as it repeated itself over 3 rounds).
So yes, nothing to do with DNA, but rather home field advantage, unnerved opposition, and a pretty crazy amount of luck.
On 4.5.2022. 23:55, Al Kamista wrote:
At least you don't have to worry about Karius and Ramos, but imagine if
Bale gets subbed in and decides again, that would be another level of absurdity.
On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 4:30:05 AM UTC+2, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
So yes, nothing to do with DNA, but rather home field advantage, unnerved opposition, and a pretty crazy amount of luck.So you admit there still *is* home field advantage, and it *is* an advantage to play additional 30 minutes at home.
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad notWhere is the difference.
to see an all-EPL final.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
Pep found wanting in the CL again!
Real Madrid were the better team over the two legs.
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad not to see an
all-EPL final.
Where is the difference.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
On 2022-05-05 00:15, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad not to see an
all-EPL final.
Where is the difference.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
In the last five years we have had
Liverpool - Real Madrid
Spurs - Liverpool
Bayern - PSG
Chelsea - Man City
Liverpool- Real Madrid
7 different teams for 10 finalist spots. I am not sure that constitutes "always the same teams".
On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-05 00:15, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad not to see an >> all-EPL final.
Where is the difference.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
In the last five years we have had
Liverpool - Real Madrid
Spurs - Liverpool
Bayern - PSG
Chelsea - Man City
Liverpool- Real Madrid
7 different teams for 10 finalist spots. I am not sure that constitutes "always the same teams".For comparison, here's the Superbowl lineup:
Rams - Bengals
Bucs - Chiefs
Chiefs - 49ers
Pats - Rams
Eagles - Pats
7 different teams. The NFL has a lot more financial parity, plus a draft system for further egalitarianism.
But same result.
On 2022-05-05 00:15, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad not to see an
all-EPL final.
Where is the difference.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
In the last five years we have had
Liverpool - Real Madrid
Spurs - Liverpool
Bayern - PSG
Chelsea - Man City
Liverpool- Real Madrid
7 different teams for 10 finalist spots. I am not sure that constitutes "always the same teams".
On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 5:50:13 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-05 00:15, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad not to see an >> all-EPL final.
Where is the difference.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
In the last five years we have had
Liverpool - Real Madrid
Spurs - Liverpool
Bayern - PSG
Chelsea - Man City
Liverpool- Real Madrid
7 different teams for 10 finalist spots. I am not sure that constitutes "always the same teams".But go back another 5 years and Real have a further 3 finals, Atlético 2 and Juve 2. So there is some tendency to see the same teams return to the final.
On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 5:50:13 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-05 00:15, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :In the last five years we have had
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad not to see an >>>> all-EPL final.
Where is the difference.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
Liverpool - Real Madrid
Spurs - Liverpool
Bayern - PSG
Chelsea - Man City
Liverpool- Real Madrid
7 different teams for 10 finalist spots. I am not sure that constitutes
"always the same teams".
But go back another 5 years and Real have a further 3 finals, Atlético 2 and Juve 2. So there is some tendency to see the same teams return to the final.
RM
Al Kamista a pensé très fort :
On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:15:09 AM UTC-4, ixion martin
- GdBx wrote:
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am gladWhere is the difference. Always the same teams. Absolutely
not to see an all-EPL final.
boring.
You always have the choice of not watching,
It is what I did...
so what's the problem?
We had a true treasure 35 years ago and I miss it.
On 2022-05-05 00:15, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :In the last five years we have had
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad
not to see an all-EPL final.
Where is the difference.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
7 different teams for 10 finalist spots. I am not sure that
constitutes "always the same teams".
On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:15:09 AM UTC-4, ixion martin -
GdBx wrote:
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am gladWhere is the difference.
not to see an all-EPL final.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
You always have the choice of not watching,
so what's the problem?
Marseilles is playing in the Conference League semifinals
today. And as I type, Ceferin is probably telling the
referees that the French club must lose, because he hates
baguettes so much :-)
MH a couché sur son écran :
On 2022-05-05 00:15, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :In the last five years we have had
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad not to see
an all-EPL final.
Where is the difference.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
Why five ? And not ten or fifteen ?
7 different teams for 10 finalist spots. I am not sure that
constitutes "always the same teams".
How many countries ?
On 06/05/2022 00:01, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
MH a couché sur son écran :
On 2022-05-05 00:15, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Futbolmetrix avait énoncé :In the last five years we have had
I don't particularly like Real Madrid, but I too am glad not to see >>>> an all-EPL final.
Where is the difference.
Always the same teams.
Absolutely boring.
Why five ? And not ten or fifteen ?Why not eight or twelve?! ;-)
7 different teams for 10 finalist spots. I am not sure that
constitutes "always the same teams".
How many countries ?
Realistically, the winner of the European Super League, I mean UEFA Champions League, are always going to be one of the big teams from one
of the 'big five' European leagues... the competition is designed that way.
I don't see it changing anytime soon.
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:14:53 PM UTC+2, Blueshirt wrote:
Realistically, the winner of the European Super League, I mean
UEFA Champions League, are always going to be one of the big
teams from one of the 'big five' European leagues... the
competition is designed that way.
I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Ajax were a minute away from reaching the final three years ago.
It's not entirely inconceivable.
Werner Pichler wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:14:53 PM UTC+2, Blueshirt wrote:
Realistically, the winner of the European Super League, I mean
UEFA Champions League, are always going to be one of the big
teams from one of the 'big five' European leagues... the
competition is designed that way.
I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Ajax were a minute away from reaching the final three years ago.A minute is a long time in football! :-)
It's not entirely inconceivable.
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been geared
with all the changes over the years, it does favour the top teams
from the big European leagues. What with seedings and 'this' team
can't play 'that' team, etc...
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:than the Bernabeu was a day earlier.
Werner Pichler wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:14:53 PM UTC+2, Blueshirt wrote:A minute is a long time in football! :-)
Realistically, the winner of the European Super League, I mean
UEFA Champions League, are always going to be one of the big
teams from one of the 'big five' European leagues... the
competition is designed that way.
I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Ajax were a minute away from reaching the final three years ago.
It's not entirely inconceivable.
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been geared
with all the changes over the years, it does favour the top teams
from the big European leagues. What with seedings and 'this' team
can't play 'that' team, etc...
5 leagues is still a lot. I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of communism?
It is at the end of the day, a commercial sport. And UEFA now has 3 tournaments, exactly for the reason that people are complaining - that smaller leagues have a chance at continental glory. The scenes at Ibrox were something yesterday; it was louder
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:14:53 PM UTC+2, Blueshirt wrote:
Realistically, the winner of the European Super League, I mean
UEFA Champions League, are always going to be one of the big
teams from one of the 'big five' European leagues... the
competition is designed that way.
I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Ajax were a minute away from reaching the final three years ago.A minute is a long time in football! :-)
It's not entirely inconceivable.
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been geared5 leagues is still a lot.
with all the changes over the years, it does favour the top teams
from the big European leagues. What with seedings and 'this' team
can't play 'that' team, etc...
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of communism?
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:00:42 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been5 leagues is still a lot.
geared with all the changes over the years, it does favour the
top teams from the big European leagues. What with seedings and
'this' team can't play 'that' team, etc...
What?!? There are 55 UEFA members. Granted some are bigger than
others but if the finalists are mainly coming from the same 5 nations
that means clubs from 89% of nations are in effect shut out of the
final.
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of
communism?
We didn't have the footballing equivalent of communism in the 80's
and 90's, as always some clubs were richer than others, but we did
have a more diverse range of European finalists with the likes of
Steaua Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade, PSV, Videoton, IFK Goteborg,
Salzburg, Galatasaray, Dinamo Tiblisi, Carl Zeiss Jena, Standard
Liege, Rapid Vienna, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Mechelen and Dynamo
Kyiv all making finals.
Real Mardin wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:00:42 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been5 leagues is still a lot.
geared with all the changes over the years, it does favour the
top teams from the big European leagues. What with seedings and
'this' team can't play 'that' team, etc...
What?!? There are 55 UEFA members. Granted some are bigger than
others but if the finalists are mainly coming from the same 5 nations
that means clubs from 89% of nations are in effect shut out of the
final.
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of
communism?
We didn't have the footballing equivalent of communism in the 80'sThe fact that UEFA tournaments back then had open draws also helped the non-fashionable teams progress in the tournaments. Two BIG teams could
and 90's, as always some clubs were richer than others, but we did
have a more diverse range of European finalists with the likes of
Steaua Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade, PSV, Videoton, IFK Goteborg, Salzburg, Galatasaray, Dinamo Tiblisi, Carl Zeiss Jena, Standard
Liege, Rapid Vienna, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Mechelen and Dynamo
Kyiv all making finals.
draw each other in the early rounds of the European Cup and one would
get knocked out. This was what helped lead to the creation of the
Champions League as the 'big' teams didn't like the idea of a cup
tournament that they could get knocked out of early.
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:06:01 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Real Mardin wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:00:42 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been geared with all the changes over the years, it does favour the5 leagues is still a lot.
top teams from the big European leagues. What with seedings and 'this' team can't play 'that' team, etc...
What?!? There are 55 UEFA members. Granted some are bigger than
others but if the finalists are mainly coming from the same 5 nations that means clubs from 89% of nations are in effect shut out of the final.
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of communism?
Yeah exactly, I read years ago that it was Bayern Munich and Real Madrid getting each other in the first round of the European Cup in the late 80’s that inspired the creation of the Champions League.We didn't have the footballing equivalent of communism in the 80'sThe fact that UEFA tournaments back then had open draws also helped the non-fashionable teams progress in the tournaments. Two BIG teams could draw each other in the early rounds of the European Cup and one would
and 90's, as always some clubs were richer than others, but we did
have a more diverse range of European finalists with the likes of
Steaua Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade, PSV, Videoton, IFK Goteborg, Salzburg, Galatasaray, Dinamo Tiblisi, Carl Zeiss Jena, Standard
Liege, Rapid Vienna, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Mechelen and Dynamo
Kyiv all making finals.
get knocked out. This was what helped lead to the creation of the Champions League as the 'big' teams didn't like the idea of a cup tournament that they could get knocked out of early.
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:14:53 PM UTC+2, BlueshirtA minute is a long time in football! :-)
wrote:
Realistically, the winner of the European Super League, I
mean UEFA Champions League, are always going to be one of
the big teams from one of the 'big five' European
leagues... the competition is designed that way.
I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Ajax were a minute away from reaching the final three years
ago. It's not entirely inconceivable.
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has
been geared with all the changes over the years, it does
favour the top teams from the big European leagues. What
with seedings and 'this' team can't play 'that' team,
etc...
5 leagues is still a lot.
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of
communism?
It is at the end of the day, a commercial sport. And UEFA now
has 3 tournaments, exactly for the reason that people are
complaining - that smaller leagues have a chance at
continental glory. The scenes at Ibrox were something
yesterday; it was louder than the Bernabeu was a day earlier.
Al Kamista écrivit en ce vendredi :
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:14:53 PM UTC+2, BlueshirtA minute is a long time in football! :-)
wrote:
Realistically, the winner of the European Super League, I
mean UEFA Champions League, are always going to be one of
the big teams from one of the 'big five' European
leagues... the competition is designed that way.
I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Ajax were a minute away from reaching the final three years
ago. It's not entirely inconceivable.
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has
been geared with all the changes over the years, it does
favour the top teams from the big European leagues. What
with seedings and 'this' team can't play 'that' team,
etc...
5 leagues is still a lot.What ? Over more than 50 ?
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent ofExcept Paris in 2020, Monaco and Porto in 2004, all the
communism?
finalists since 1997 come from *four* contries. 25 years, 56
countries playing, 50 finalists, 47 from only 4 countries :
- Spain : 16
- England : 15
- Italy : 9
- Germany : 9
- France : 2
- Portugal : 1
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 7:42:36 AM UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:06:01 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Real Mardin wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:00:42 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been geared with all the changes over the years, it does favour the5 leagues is still a lot.
top teams from the big European leagues. What with seedings and 'this' team can't play 'that' team, etc...
What?!? There are 55 UEFA members. Granted some are bigger than
others but if the finalists are mainly coming from the same 5 nations that means clubs from 89% of nations are in effect shut out of the final.
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of communism?
We didn't have the footballing equivalent of communism in the 80's
and 90's, as always some clubs were richer than others, but we did have a more diverse range of European finalists with the likes of Steaua Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade, PSV, Videoton, IFK Goteborg, Salzburg, Galatasaray, Dinamo Tiblisi, Carl Zeiss Jena, Standard Liege, Rapid Vienna, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Mechelen and Dynamo
Kyiv all making finals.
The fact that UEFA tournaments back then had open draws also helped the non-fashionable teams progress in the tournaments. Two BIG teams could draw each other in the early rounds of the European Cup and one would get knocked out. This was what helped lead to the creation of the Champions League as the 'big' teams didn't like the idea of a cup tournament that they could get knocked out of early.Yeah exactly, I read years ago that it was Bayern Munich and Real Madrid getting each other in the first round of the European Cup in the late 80’s that inspired the creation of the Champions League.
Not only that, but a pure knockout format favors lesser teams. So the present day status quo is as much a result of the group stage format as it is of financial dispairty. Without a group stage I'm sure we'd see a lot
more Villareal type runs.
The problem also is, Europe has way too many countries for such a small continent (no wonder they break out in war every few decades).
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:15:09 PM UTC+2, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 7:42:36 AM UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:06:01 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Real Mardin wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:00:42 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been geared with all the changes over the years, it does favour the top teams from the big European leagues. What with seedings and 'this' team can't play 'that' team, etc...5 leagues is still a lot.
What?!? There are 55 UEFA members. Granted some are bigger than others but if the finalists are mainly coming from the same 5 nations
that means clubs from 89% of nations are in effect shut out of the final.
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of communism?
We didn't have the footballing equivalent of communism in the 80's and 90's, as always some clubs were richer than others, but we did have a more diverse range of European finalists with the likes of Steaua Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade, PSV, Videoton, IFK Goteborg, Salzburg, Galatasaray, Dinamo Tiblisi, Carl Zeiss Jena, Standard Liege, Rapid Vienna, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Mechelen and Dynamo Kyiv all making finals.
The fact that UEFA tournaments back then had open draws also helped theYeah exactly, I read years ago that it was Bayern Munich and Real Madrid getting each other in the first round of the European Cup in the late 80’s that inspired the creation of the Champions League.
non-fashionable teams progress in the tournaments. Two BIG teams could draw each other in the early rounds of the European Cup and one would get knocked out. This was what helped lead to the creation of the Champions League as the 'big' teams didn't like the idea of a cup tournament that they could get knocked out of early.
Not only that, but a pure knockout format favors lesser teams. So the present day status quo is as much a result of the group stage format as it is of financial dispairty. Without a group stage I'm sure we'd see a lot
more Villareal type runs.
The problem also is, Europe has way too many countries for such a small continent (no wonder they break out in war every few decades).What a supremely American thing to say.
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 7:42:36 AM UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:06:01 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Real Mardin wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:00:42 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
5 leagues is still a lot.
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been
geared with all the changes over the years, it does favour the
top teams from the big European leagues. What with seedings and
'this' team can't play 'that' team, etc...
What?!? There are 55 UEFA members. Granted some are bigger than
others but if the finalists are mainly coming from the same 5 nations
that means clubs from 89% of nations are in effect shut out of the
final.
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of
communism?
We didn't have the footballing equivalent of communism in the 80's
and 90's, as always some clubs were richer than others, but we did
have a more diverse range of European finalists with the likes of
Steaua Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade, PSV, Videoton, IFK Goteborg,
Salzburg, Galatasaray, Dinamo Tiblisi, Carl Zeiss Jena, Standard
Liege, Rapid Vienna, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Mechelen and Dynamo
Kyiv all making finals.
The fact that UEFA tournaments back then had open draws also helped theYeah exactly, I read years ago that it was Bayern Munich and Real Madrid getting each other in the first round of the European Cup in the late 80’s that inspired the creation of the Champions League.
non-fashionable teams progress in the tournaments. Two BIG teams could
draw each other in the early rounds of the European Cup and one would
get knocked out. This was what helped lead to the creation of the
Champions League as the 'big' teams didn't like the idea of a cup
tournament that they could get knocked out of early.
Not only that, but a pure knockout format favors lesser teams. So the present day status quo is as much a result of the group stage format as it is of financial dispairty. Without a group stage I'm sure we'd see a lot more Villareal type runs.
The problem also is, Europe has way too many countries for such a small continent (no wonder they break out in war every few decades).
On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:27:40 AM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:15:09 PM UTC+2, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 7:42:36 AM UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:06:01 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Real Mardin wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:00:42 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been geared with all the changes over the years, it does favour the top teams from the big European leagues. What with seedings and5 leagues is still a lot.
'this' team can't play 'that' team, etc...
What?!? There are 55 UEFA members. Granted some are bigger than others but if the finalists are mainly coming from the same 5 nations
that means clubs from 89% of nations are in effect shut out of the final.
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of communism?
We didn't have the footballing equivalent of communism in the 80's and 90's, as always some clubs were richer than others, but we did have a more diverse range of European finalists with the likes of Steaua Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade, PSV, Videoton, IFK Goteborg, Salzburg, Galatasaray, Dinamo Tiblisi, Carl Zeiss Jena, Standard Liege, Rapid Vienna, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Mechelen and Dynamo Kyiv all making finals.
The fact that UEFA tournaments back then had open draws also helped theYeah exactly, I read years ago that it was Bayern Munich and Real Madrid getting each other in the first round of the European Cup in the late 80’s that inspired the creation of the Champions League.
non-fashionable teams progress in the tournaments. Two BIG teams could
draw each other in the early rounds of the European Cup and one would
get knocked out. This was what helped lead to the creation of the Champions League as the 'big' teams didn't like the idea of a cup tournament that they could get knocked out of early.
Not only that, but a pure knockout format favors lesser teams. So the present day status quo is as much a result of the group stage format as it is of financial dispairty. Without a group stage I'm sure we'd see a lot
more Villareal type runs.
Wow, so much disdain for Americans. Though not having grown up here I am far from a "typical" American.The problem also is, Europe has way too many countries for such a small continent (no wonder they break out in war every few decades).What a supremely American thing to say.
But let's put prejudices aside and talk facts:
N. America 9.54m sq miles - 3 countries - 3,180,000 average country size Australasia 3.07 sq miles - 3 countries - 1,023,000 average country size
S. America 6.88 sq miles - 12 countries - 573,333 average country size
Asia land area 17.21m sq miles - 48 countries - 358,541 average country size Africa land area 11.72m sq miles - 54 countries - 217,037 average country size
Europe 4.06m sq miles - 44 countries - 92,409 average country size
(not included: Central American and Pacific Island nations, which don't really fall into any major continent)
If we plot the above on a graph, we'll get a better visual representation of relatively just how small an average European country is.
If you agree that humans have always been fiercely territorial by nature, then it stands to reason that packing more nation-states (with distinct cultures and identities) into a smaller geographical area is a recipe for more conflict.
So I'd like to hear your view on which part of this analysis is supremely American?
On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 11:50:46 AM UTC-4, Al Kamista wrote:
On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:27:40 AM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:15:09 PM UTC+2, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 7:42:36 AM UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:06:01 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Real Mardin wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:00:42 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been5 leagues is still a lot.
geared with all the changes over the years, it does favour the
top teams from the big European leagues. What with seedings and
'this' team can't play 'that' team, etc...
What?!? There are 55 UEFA members. Granted some are bigger than others but if the finalists are mainly coming from the same 5 nations
that means clubs from 89% of nations are in effect shut out of the
final.
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of communism?
We didn't have the footballing equivalent of communism in the 80's
and 90's, as always some clubs were richer than others, but we did
have a more diverse range of European finalists with the likes of
Steaua Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade, PSV, Videoton, IFK Goteborg,
Salzburg, Galatasaray, Dinamo Tiblisi, Carl Zeiss Jena, Standard Liege, Rapid Vienna, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Mechelen and Dynamo
Kyiv all making finals.
The fact that UEFA tournaments back then had open draws also helped theYeah exactly, I read years ago that it was Bayern Munich and Real Madrid getting each other in the first round of the European Cup in the late 80’s that inspired the creation of the Champions League.
non-fashionable teams progress in the tournaments. Two BIG teams could
draw each other in the early rounds of the European Cup and one would
get knocked out. This was what helped lead to the creation of the Champions League as the 'big' teams didn't like the idea of a cup tournament that they could get knocked out of early.
Not only that, but a pure knockout format favors lesser teams. So the present day status quo is as much a result of the group stage format as it is of financial dispairty. Without a group stage I'm sure we'd see a lot
more Villareal type runs.
Wow, so much disdain for Americans. Though not having grown up here I am far from a "typical" American.The problem also is, Europe has way too many countries for such a small continent (no wonder they break out in war every few decades).What a supremely American thing to say.
But let's put prejudices aside and talk facts:
N. America 9.54m sq miles - 3 countries - 3,180,000 average country size Australasia 3.07 sq miles - 3 countries - 1,023,000 average country size S. America 6.88 sq miles - 12 countries - 573,333 average country size Asia land area 17.21m sq miles - 48 countries - 358,541 average country size
Africa land area 11.72m sq miles - 54 countries - 217,037 average country size
Europe 4.06m sq miles - 44 countries - 92,409 average country size
(not included: Central American and Pacific Island nations, which don't really fall into any major continent)
If we plot the above on a graph, we'll get a better visual representation of relatively just how small an average European country is.
If you agree that humans have always been fiercely territorial by nature, then it stands to reason that packing more nation-states (with distinct cultures and identities) into a smaller geographical area is a recipe for
more conflict.
So I'd like to hear your view on which part of this analysis is supremely American?I was just watching a documentary which mentioned this very problem in Europe. So I dug up this post.
I'd like to hear your counter-argument here Werner, rather than just making a condescending remark and running away.
I was just watching a documentary which mentioned this very
problem in Europe.
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 4:46:28 PM UTC+2, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 11:50:46 AM UTC-4, Al Kamista wrote:
On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:27:40 AM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 2:15:09 PM UTC+2, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 7:42:36 AM UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:06:01 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Real Mardin wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:00:42 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
No it's not inconceivable. But the way the tournament has been5 leagues is still a lot.
geared with all the changes over the years, it does favour the
top teams from the big European leagues. What with seedings and
'this' team can't play 'that' team, etc...
What?!? There are 55 UEFA members. Granted some are bigger than
others but if the finalists are mainly coming from the same 5 nations
that means clubs from 89% of nations are in effect shut out of the
final.
I am not sure what people want, the footballing equivalent of
communism?
We didn't have the footballing equivalent of communism in the 80's
and 90's, as always some clubs were richer than others, but we did
have a more diverse range of European finalists with the likes of
Steaua Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade, PSV, Videoton, IFK Goteborg,
Salzburg, Galatasaray, Dinamo Tiblisi, Carl Zeiss Jena, Standard
Liege, Rapid Vienna, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Mechelen and Dynamo
Kyiv all making finals.
The fact that UEFA tournaments back then had open draws also helped theYeah exactly, I read years ago that it was Bayern Munich and Real Madrid getting each other in the first round of the European Cup in the late 80’s that inspired the creation of the Champions League.
non-fashionable teams progress in the tournaments. Two BIG teams could
draw each other in the early rounds of the European Cup and one would
get knocked out. This was what helped lead to the creation of the
Champions League as the 'big' teams didn't like the idea of a cup
tournament that they could get knocked out of early.
Not only that, but a pure knockout format favors lesser teams. So the present day status quo is as much a result of the group stage format as it is of financial dispairty. Without a group stage I'm sure we'd see a lot
more Villareal type runs.
Wow, so much disdain for Americans. Though not having grown up here I am far from a "typical" American.The problem also is, Europe has way too many countries for such a small continent (no wonder they break out in war every few decades).What a supremely American thing to say.
But let's put prejudices aside and talk facts:
N. America 9.54m sq miles - 3 countries - 3,180,000 average country size Australasia 3.07 sq miles - 3 countries - 1,023,000 average country size S. America 6.88 sq miles - 12 countries - 573,333 average country size Asia land area 17.21m sq miles - 48 countries - 358,541 average country size
Africa land area 11.72m sq miles - 54 countries - 217,037 average country size
Europe 4.06m sq miles - 44 countries - 92,409 average country size
(not included: Central American and Pacific Island nations, which don't really fall into any major continent)
If we plot the above on a graph, we'll get a better visual representation of relatively just how small an average European country is.
If you agree that humans have always been fiercely territorial by nature, then it stands to reason that packing more nation-states (with distinct cultures and identities) into a smaller geographical area is a recipe for
more conflict.
So I'd like to hear your view on which part of this analysis is supremely American?I was just watching a documentary which mentioned this very problem in Europe. So I dug up this post.
I'd like to hear your counter-argument here Werner, rather than just making a condescending remark and running away.Beg your pardon? It's interesting that calling something 'supremely American' appears to be considered as an insult by you.
I simply wrote it was 'a supremely American thing to say' because I've only ever seen this point argued by Americans.
'Small is Beautiful' is much more of a European concept.
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