I've still got nowhere with thunderbird/eternal september. Shall I
give up and uninstall thunderbird and just use nova BBS?
mark> I've still got nowhere with thunderbird/eternal september. Shall I mark> give up and uninstall thunderbird and just use nova BBS?
blueshirt> Although Thunderbird should be fairly straightforward to use.
I've never actually used Thunderbird for news (or mail), I went from
some of the *rn family of text/curses readers to Emacs/Gnus long long
ago.
To check it out I've installed Thunderbird and got it connected to eternal-september without much problems (except that I had a very large number of unread articles!) This was on MS Windows, which I only use for work.
I then tried to uninstall it and start again, so I could report on what
I did, but the uninstallation didn't clean everything, somewhat
expected that the configuration was kept.
I tried hunting for configuration, under $HOME, deleted the install directory, cleaned the registry, but couldn't get back to square one.
I could try it on another machine, but maybe you could tell us where you
get stuck.
-- HASM
I've just opened thunderbird. On the left, I've got news.eternal-september.org and rec.sport.soccer listed from when I tried
to set up newsgroups. I've just tried double-clicking on news.eternal-september.org and nothing happened. I'll try
double-clicking on rec.sport.soccer; no, nothing happens then either. I
just tried clicking on manage newsgroup subscriptions, it's saying "Show items that contain:" and "select the newsgroups to subscribe to:". I
don't know what to type in. Do I just ignore "Show items that contain:"
and type rec.sport.soccer where it says "select the newsgroups to
subscribe to:"? That's about all I can think of trying.
Got the last 100 messages, select yours and I'm replying from
within Thuderbird. Hopefully it will make it.
But it doesn't say what the 1 more step is!
No, I can't work out how to delete them so I can re-create the
newsgroup account.
Just tried it again, my old/saved setup didn't work probably because of
my undoing.
I deleted the old newsgroup account, created a new one, didn't use TLS
so I can monitor the transactions with wireshark, (i.e. connection
security is None), enabled "check for new messages at startup", and
"Always request authentication when connecting to this server", lowered
to 100 the "Ask me before downloading more than xx messages", didn't
touch the "Check for new messages every XX seconds" (as I don't plan on
using this.)
After creation I clicked on "Manage newsgroup subscriptions", a dialog
came up where I entered my ES credentials, AND selected the box that
said something like "Keep this password in the Password Manager".
Filtered for rec.sport.soccer, subscribed. When selecting it the server
told me there were thousads of messages, 100 selected and a box to mark
all old ones are read.
Got the last 100 messages, select yours and I'm replying from within Thuderbird. Hopefully it will make it.
Not sure I understand the interface, seems a bit awkward to just page
through the new messages, but someone may chime in here.
-- HASM
All the newsgroups listed there are eternal september something or
other.
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 4:56:44 PM UTC, HASM wrote:
All the newsgroups listed there are eternal september somethingFrom an old post on sonic.net:
or other.
If you don't log in with user name and password,
eternal-september shows only the eternal-september.* hierarchy.
If you don't use your eternal-september account for 180 days,
they delete it.
Uninstall Thunderbird.
If on a recent Windows version, delete your Thunderbird folders: c:\users\<you>\AppData\Local\Thunderbird c:\users\<you>\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
These maybe hidden, may or not exist, I'd search for Thunderbird
folders under c:\users\<you>
If you feel comfortable editing the registry (be careful!) delete Thunderbird related registry keys, by running regedit (as admin):
and looking for something like. \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\Mozilla Thunderbird \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\Mozilla Thunderbird 115.6.1 \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\Thunderbird \HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Mozilla\Thunderbird
Some may not be there after you uninstall Thunderbird.
Then restart again, and good luck.
-- HASM
I'm technophobic. This sounds too complicated. Shall I just
uninstall thunderbird and use novaBBS instead? Or is it worth
Or is there an easier newsreader to use?
I'm not sure what to do.
On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 2:58:35 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
I'm technophobic. This sounds too complicated. Shall I just
uninstall thunderbird and use novaBBS instead? Or is it worth
Or is there an easier newsreader to use?
I use XanaNews which is a few years old, but simple to use once
set up... if you did fancy trying it out I could help you with it
as I've used it for years... I will provide the link below if you
are interested. Thunderbird is more popular, works for e-mail
too, gets regular updates and has its own support newsgroup. So
it really is up to you.
https://github.com/graemeg/xananews/releases/tag/v1.21
The 2.55 MB zip file in the assets section is what you download.
I've downloaded it, and got this:
It won't paste it for some reason. What do I do now?
On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 4:09:58 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 2:58:35 PM UTC, Blueshirt
wrote:
I'm technophobic. This sounds too complicated. Shall I just
uninstall thunderbird and use novaBBS instead? Or is it
worth Or is there an easier newsreader to use?
I use XanaNews which is a few years old, but simple to use
once set up... if you did fancy trying it out I could help
you with it as I've used it for years... I will provide the
link below if you are interested. Thunderbird is more
popular, works for e-mail too, gets regular updates and has
its own support newsgroup. So it really is up to you.
https://github.com/graemeg/xananews/releases/tag/v1.21
The 2.55 MB zip file in the assets section is what you
download.
I've downloaded it, and got this:
It won't paste it for some reason. What do I do now?Did you un-zip the folder? If you did there will be an icon that
says XanaNews.exe, click and run. (Possibly on your desktop, if
not, find it and put it there...)
I have now. I think. Is that what "Extract all" does?, I clicked on
that.
I've got a list of 8 things that look exactly the same as what I
tried to copy and paste yesterday. 3 of them say XanaNews, there's
nothing that says XanaNews.exe though. They say type "Compiled HTML
help file", "Application", and "WAV File".
Mark wrote:
On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 4:09:58 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 2:58:35 PM UTC, BlueshirtDid you un-zip the folder? If you did there will be an icon that
wrote:
I'm technophobic. This sounds too complicated. Shall I just
uninstall thunderbird and use novaBBS instead? Or is it
worth Or is there an easier newsreader to use?
I use XanaNews which is a few years old, but simple to use
once set up... if you did fancy trying it out I could help
you with it as I've used it for years... I will provide the
link below if you are interested. Thunderbird is more
popular, works for e-mail too, gets regular updates and has
its own support newsgroup. So it really is up to you.
https://github.com/graemeg/xananews/releases/tag/v1.21
The 2.55 MB zip file in the assets section is what you
download.
I've downloaded it, and got this:
It won't paste it for some reason. What do I do now?
says XanaNews.exe, click and run. (Possibly on your desktop, if
not, find it and put it there...)
I have now. I think. Is that what "Extract all" does?, I clicked on
that.
I've got a list of 8 things that look exactly the same as what I
tried to copy and paste yesterday. 3 of them say XanaNews, there's
nothing that says XanaNews.exe though. They say type "Compiled HTML
help file", "Application", and "WAV File".
Double click on the "application" icon to run it... XanaNews should
open.
In article <nnd$3989389b$3a9ad0de@4735d926c52f9145>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Double click on the "application" icon to run it... XanaNews
should open.
MesNEws works better!
The Doctor wrote:
In article <nnd$3989389b$3a9ad0de@4735d926c52f9145>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Double click on the "application" icon to run it... XanaNews
should open.
MesNEws works better!
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't... I don't use it. But I didn't see
you offering to help Mark, or anyone, so unless you can contribute
something worthwhile to this discussion, SU!
On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 4:09:58 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 2:58:35 PM UTC, Blueshirt
wrote:
I'm technophobic. This sounds too complicated. Shall I just
uninstall thunderbird and use novaBBS instead? Or is it
worth Or is there an easier newsreader to use?
I use XanaNews which is a few years old, but simple to use
once set up... if you did fancy trying it out I could help
you with it as I've used it for years... I will provide the
link below if you are interested. Thunderbird is more
popular, works for e-mail too, gets regular updates and has
its own support newsgroup. So it really is up to you.
https://github.com/graemeg/xananews/releases/tag/v1.21
The 2.55 MB zip file in the assets section is what you
download.
I've downloaded it, and got this:
It won't paste it for some reason. What do I do now?Did you un-zip the folder? If you did there will be an icon that
says XanaNews.exe, click and run. (Possibly on your desktop, if
not, find it and put it there...)
Once XanaNews is open. You then need to enter your
eternal-september account details in the "accounts" -> "Sever
settings" section.
So, in the box that says "Server Name" enter...
news.eternal-september.org
The box that says, "This server requires me to log on" needs to
be ticked.
You then enter your eternal-september log-in details, i.e User
Name and password, and re-type password.
I got this far. There's no "Always authenticate" box or anywhere
to click Apply. I clicked next or whatever, and it seems to have
finished setting it up, but it's only got 12 newsgroups, and
they're all eternal september ones.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 7:52:53 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
That's good. It's a start. You can subscribe to the following eternal-september newsgroups...
.talk .support .newusers and .test ----------------------------------------------------------
At the top of XanaNews click
TOOLS -> ACCOUNTS ->
Select you Eternal-September Account then click
PROPERTIES (at the bottom)
Then on the left side is a tree of basic account settings, click
SEVER SETTINGS
This server requires me to log on box needs to be ticked.
Enter your log-in details.
And the always authenticate box needs to be ticked too.
I just opened xananews again, and there's no list of newsgroups
anymore. I clicked on news.eternal-september.org, and all it does
is prompt me to get messages from all groups in eternal september.
Oh I've managed to do the above now. (Nothing happened when I
clicked apply, so I clicked OK instead.) And I've found dial-up and connection. I'll try to do what you described earlier now. Done it,
but I had to click OK because nothing happened when I clicked apply
again. I don't seem to be any further on though.
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 3:25:26 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
If you only have the eight or nine eternal-september newsgroups
you have to go back and re-do you log-in details, passwords, and
tick those two boxes. And apply/okay. You will only see the whole
list once you are logged in properly and authenticated.
I've done all that, and I can still only see 12 newsgroups.
Re-register with eternal-september if you have to, but if you can
copy and paste the log-in details they sent you they can't be wrong.
Before re-registering Mark could check his credentials here: https://www.eternal-september.org/signon.php
Before re-registering Mark could check his credentials here: https://www.eternal-september.org/signon.php
mark> I just tried that, and it said incorrect username or password.
Then try recovering your password here:
https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=recoverp
It asks:
Please enter your UserID or your registered email address.
Your password will be sent to the email address you supplied when
you registered.
Try with your email address, and you should get your password via
email. Look in your spam/junk folder it you don't get it.
On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 7:30:00 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
The eternal-september e-mail will be from "News
Administration" and it is the User ID: _____ and Password: ______
that is on that e-mail that is needed to log in... copy and paste
from the e-mail is always better than trying to remember!
But once you are logged in and authenticated you won't have to do
that again... you should be able to view the full list of
newsgroups that eternal-september provide... and select the ones
you want to contribute to.
I would recommend sending 'test' messages to their .test
newsgroup first to make sure your set-up is how you want it, as
you will be able to see what you sent and how it is displayed,
etc.
Does the username have to be unique? It turned out it wasn't Mark.
Anyway I've typed in the correct user ID, and the password, and
it's still only giving me 12 newsgroups.
Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 7:30:00 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
The eternal-september e-mail will be from "News
Administration" and it is the User ID: _____ and Password:
______ that is on that e-mail that is needed to log in... copy
and paste from the e-mail is always better than trying to
remember!
But once you are logged in and authenticated you won't have to
do that again... you should be able to view the full list of
newsgroups that eternal-september provide... and select the ones
you want to contribute to.
I would recommend sending 'test' messages to their .test
newsgroup first to make sure your set-up is how you want it, as
you will be able to see what you sent and how it is displayed,
etc.
Does the username have to be unique? It turned out it wasn't Mark.
It'll be whatever is in the e-mail eternal-september sent you when
you registered.
Anyway I've typed in the correct user ID, and the password, and
it's still only giving me 12 newsgroups.
Copy and paste from the e-mail... keep trying.
Enter details, tick boxes, apply/okay, the newsgroups should be
refreshed once you connect to the eternal-september server properly ...(right-click on your eternal-september account in the very left
pane, click 'Show Newsgroup List' from options box...)
This is a common problem but is usually always an authentication
issue.
Did you check you have the right credentials on the
eternal-september website? You can recover your password here.
https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=recoverp
Ooh - I just tried clicking on refresh newsgroups list and I've now
got 27,134 newsgroups. How do I find rss now?
Ooh - I just tried clicking on refresh newsgroups list and I've now
got 27,134 newsgroups.
I can't find any recent messages. I left it on the default Get all
messages, and it gave me literally hundreds of thousands of
messages dating back to about 2009, and it would have taken hours
to scroll down to find the recent ones. But when I try get messages
dating back to Feb 2 2024 or whenever, it says "Get article list
for news.eternal-september...." in the bottom left corner under
Queued requests, and lower down it says "About to get article", and
it just remains stuck like that.
I just tried clicking on Get all new messages; also tried get only
new messages; and there's no messages since Feb 7.
There's new messages since then on google groups.
Mark wrote:
I just tried clicking on Get all new messages; also tried get only
new messages; and there's no messages since Feb 7.
Get last 100 messages. [change number in box] See what appears.
There's new messages since then on google groups.
Forget about Google Groups! Soon they'll be history...
Mark wrote:
I just tried clicking on Get all new messages; also tried get only
new messages; and there's no messages since Feb 7.
Get last 100 messages. [change number in box] See what appears.
Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
I just tried clicking on Get all new messages; also tried get
only new messages; and there's no messages since Feb 7.
Get last 100 messages. [change number in box] See what appears.
Yay. That worked.
Each message is appearing individually. How do I get it so that I
can read the whole thread in 1 go, rather than clicking on each
message to read them?
Account Properties -> Sorting and threading
Mark wrote:
Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
I just tried clicking on Get all new messages; also tried get
only new messages; and there's no messages since Feb 7.
Get last 100 messages. [change number in box] See what appears.
Yay. That worked.
Each message is appearing individually. How do I get it so that I
can read the whole thread in 1 go, rather than clicking on each
message to read them?
On the main menu...
TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> SORTING & THREADING
Or...
Right click 'eternal september' in your newsgroup pane... on the
left of the screen.
Account Properties -> Sorting and threading
It didn't work. Where it says "Display messages" I've tried
threaded and tried chronological. And I've tried ticking "Group
posts using subjects". And I still have to click on each message
individually to read them.
Mark wrote:
It didn't work. Where it says "Display messages" I've tried
threaded and tried chronological. And I've tried ticking "Group
posts using subjects". And I still have to click on each message
individually to read them.
Yes, you have to click on the message in the top pane to view the
contents of the message in the bottom pane...
Your newsreader should be set up by default...
Left pane (Vertical): list of subscribed newsgroups.
Right side, top pane (Horizontal): Downloaded message(s) from the
selected newsgroup(s).
Right side bottom pane (Horizontal): Message contents, included
quoted text.
Those panes can be resized to suit your needs by clicking and
dragging. So a bigger bottom pane will give you more visibility for
the message content.
To go to new messages, clicking N will take you straight to the next
unread message.
Whilst clicking on the SPACE BAR will take you straight to the
bottom of the selected message, below all of the quoted parts.
Blueshirt wrote:
Your newsreader should be set up by default...
Left pane (Vertical): list of subscribed newsgroups.
Right side, top pane (Horizontal): Downloaded message(s) from the
selected newsgroup(s).
Right side bottom pane (Horizontal): Message contents, included
quoted text.
Those panes can be resized to suit your needs by clicking and
dragging. So a bigger bottom pane will give you more visibility
for the message content.
To go to new messages, clicking N will take you straight to the
next unread message.
Whilst clicking on the SPACE BAR will take you straight to the
bottom of the selected message, below all of the quoted parts.
Pressing n is taking me backwards to older messages. I don't know
what's going on there!
Is there no way of getting all the messages in a thread to appear
in the bottom pane together, like you can see them all together on
nova BBS or google groups?
Mark wrote:
Blueshirt wrote:
Your newsreader should be set up by default...
Left pane (Vertical): list of subscribed newsgroups.
Right side, top pane (Horizontal): Downloaded message(s) from the
selected newsgroup(s).
Right side bottom pane (Horizontal): Message contents, included
quoted text.
Those panes can be resized to suit your needs by clicking and
dragging. So a bigger bottom pane will give you more visibility
for the message content.
To go to new messages, clicking N will take you straight to the
next unread message.
Whilst clicking on the SPACE BAR will take you straight to the
bottom of the selected message, below all of the quoted parts.
Pressing n is taking me backwards to older messages. I don't know
what's going on there!
It won't be about new or old as such, if they are unread.
Is there no way of getting all the messages in a thread to appear
in the bottom pane together, like you can see them all together on
nova BBS or google groups?
I don't know how they appear on Google Groups, I have never used
it... and never been inclined to want to!!!
You are now trying out a newsreader. The message pane is for reading
the message. The list of the messages pane is for seeing the
messages, who they are from, the subject, and what time they were
sent. They are two separate panes. Your thread is in the top pane,
the selected message you have clicked on appears in the bottom pane,
for you to then type a reply if you choose too.
If you prefer a web forum, then maybe you should use BBS after
February 22nd. A newsreader does take a bit of getting used to when
you are coming from a web interface. Mess around with the settings
and send messages to .test newsgroups if you have to, just to see
how they display (etc.) You can change your fonts, colours, size,
headings, and loads of other things via TOOLS -> OPTIONS ... so once
you get the hang of the basics you can customise your newsreader to
suit yourself. Practice. It's free!
I've helped start you off with XanaNews as it's simple and it's what
I use. As we wouldn't want to see you cut-off from RSS after
February 22nd. But once you get the hang of XanaNews you can move on
to any newsreader... Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, Forte Agent, trn,
Microplanet Gravity (etc.) as they all work in a similar way, some
with added bells and whistles.
Blueshirt wrote:
I've helped start you off with XanaNews as it's simple and it's
what I use. As we wouldn't want to see you cut-off from RSS after
February 22nd. But once you get the hang of XanaNews you can
move on to any newsreader... Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, Forte
Agent, trn, Microplanet Gravity (etc.) as they all work in a
similar way, some with added bells and whistles.
Thank you for all your help.
Mark wrote:
Blueshirt wrote:
I've helped start you off with XanaNews as it's simple and it's
what I use. As we wouldn't want to see you cut-off from RSS after
February 22nd. But once you get the hang of XanaNews you can
move on to any newsreader... Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, Forte
Agent, trn, Microplanet Gravity (etc.) as they all work in a
similar way, some with added bells and whistles.
Thank you for all your help.
No problem Mark.
Hopefully we still see your posts here after the 22nd one way or the
other.
In article <xn0oi3tbwhtwqrf00i@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mark wrote:
Thank you for all your help.
No problem Mark.
Hopefully we still see your posts here after the 22nd one way or
the other.
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