Now at the top of the page when one opens Google Groups:
"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and
new content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and
searching of historical data will still be supported as it is done
today."
:-(
I'm not sure I understand what that means. Does it mean that
nothing posted from newsreaders will show up on Google groups at
all? But stuff from before Feb 15 will still be there? So, from Feb
15, either we've all got to use google groups or we've all got to
use newsreaders, otherwise we won't be able to see everybody's
messages?
On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 2:51:17 AM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
Now at the top of the page when one opens Google Groups:
"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer
support new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be
disallowed, and new content from Usenet peers will not appear.
Viewing and searching of historical data will still be supported
as it is done today."
I'm not sure I understand what that means. Does it mean that
nothing posted from newsreaders will show up on Google groups at
all? But stuff from before Feb 15 will still be there? So, from Feb
15, either we've all got to use google groups or we've all got to
use newsreaders, otherwise we won't be able to see everybody's
messages?
Why the sad face? Download a newsreader and sign up to a free nntp
service - I recommend www.eternal-september.org - and you can have a
proper Usenet experience...
On 12/15/2023 3:58 AM, Blueshirt wrote:
Why the sad face? Download a newsreader and sign up to a free nntp
service - I recommend www.eternal-september.org - and you can
have a proper Usenet experience...
Do you have any advice on free newsreaders? I'm using
Thunderbird/Eternal September here, but was having trouble
installing it on another computer.
Do you have any advice on free newsreaders? I'm using
Thunderbird/Eternal September here, but was having trouble
installing it on another computer.
Well I guess with no web-based client available anymore the chances, already slim, that somebody
new will discover this - or any - newsgroup by chance are virtually nil.
The decline has been inexorable
regardless, but this will hasten it. And despite all its shortcomings, using Google Groups was comfortable,
especially with the same account on various devices. I for one will no longer be able to access Usenet
on my work computer without it.
Also, after February Google won't add any new messages to the archives anymore, and there's no
replacement for that, is there?
Mark wrote:
On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 2:51:17 AM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
Now at the top of the page when one opens Google Groups:
"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer
support new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be
disallowed, and new content from Usenet peers will not appear.
Viewing and searching of historical data will still be supported
as it is done today."
I'm not sure I understand what that means. Does it mean that
nothing posted from newsreaders will show up on Google groups at
all? But stuff from before Feb 15 will still be there? So, from Feb
15, either we've all got to use google groups or we've all got to
use newsreaders, otherwise we won't be able to see everybody's
messages?
If you want to continue accessing Usenet, download a free newsreader,
sign up for a free news service... as mentioned, I recommend >www.eternal-september.org - and away you go. If you need help setting
a newsreader up, ask..
Or you can stay on Google Groups and only have access to Google's own >groups... or the Usenet archive pre-February 2024. No fresh content
from Usenet will appear and you won't be able to post to RSS via the
Google Groups interface.
Futbolmetrix wrote:
Do you have any advice on free newsreaders? I'm using
Thunderbird/Eternal September here, but was having trouble
installing it on another computer.
Thunderbird is very popular, try a Thunderbird support newsgroup if
you want to stick with that. You should be able to install it on a
second computer.
For other newsreaders...
I am using XanaNews, available here...
https://xananews.software.informer.com/
Microplanet Gravity is available here...
https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpgravity/
Pan can be found here...
http://pan.rebelbase.com/
Microplanet Gravity is probably the best of those three, I only use
XanaNews as I've used it for years (off and on) and it suits my needs
and I don't like change! But they will all do the job.
Futbolmetrix wrote:
On 12/15/2023 3:58 AM, Blueshirt wrote:
Why the sad face? Download a newsreader and sign up to a free nntp
service - I recommend www.eternal-september.org - and you can
have a proper Usenet experience...
Do you have any advice on free newsreaders? I'm using
Thunderbird/Eternal September here, but was having trouble
installing it on another computer.
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
On 12/15/2023 5:55 AM, Werner Pichler wrote:
Also, after February Google won't add any new messages to the
archives anymore, and there's no replacement for that, is there?
:-(
Going back to newsreaders? What's next?
In article <nnd$69f54f32$071fe4bc@2c52aa28dfb49e56>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Futbolmetrix wrote:
On 12/15/2023 3:58 AM, Blueshirt wrote:
Why the sad face? Download a newsreader and sign up to a free
nntp service - I recommend www.eternal-september.org - and you
can have a proper Usenet experience...
Do you have any advice on free newsreaders? I'm using
Thunderbird/Eternal September here, but was having trouble
installing it on another computer.
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
busy times!
Futbolmetrix wrote:
On 12/15/2023 5:55 AM, Werner Pichler wrote:
Also, after February Google won't add any new messages to the
archives anymore, and there's no replacement for that, is there?
:-(
That's the sad face of ignorance... there are other Usenet archives
out there, ye all just got too lazy with all the Google shit! Clearly
nobody has heard of Narkive...
There has been a thriving Usenet community outside of Google Groups
but people preferred the crutch of the Big G.
This is the RSS narkive... bookmark it for February 2024! ;-)
https://rec.sport.soccer.narkive.com/
The Doctor wrote:
In article <nnd$69f54f32$071fe4bc@2c52aa28dfb49e56>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Futbolmetrix wrote:
On 12/15/2023 3:58 AM, Blueshirt wrote:
Why the sad face? Download a newsreader and sign up to a free
nntp service - I recommend www.eternal-september.org - and you
can have a proper Usenet experience...
Do you have any advice on free newsreaders? I'm using
Thunderbird/Eternal September here, but was having trouble
installing it on another computer.
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
busy times!
Now's the time to offer the people here free Usenet from your NetKnow
NNTP servers in Canada Dave!!!
Be the hero for once... :-)
In article <nnd$6e64c992$5f601058@26ab9b65034db816>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Now's the time to offer the people here free Usenet from your NetKnow
NNTP servers in Canada Dave!!!
Be the hero for once... :-)
I need them to pay the small monthly fee!
The Doctor wrote:
In article <nnd$6e64c992$5f601058@26ab9b65034db816>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Now's the time to offer the people here free Usenet from your NetKnow
NNTP servers in Canada Dave!!!
Be the hero for once... :-)
I need them to pay the small monthly fee!
Define small ...
In article <ulibl5$21q2u$1@dont-email.me>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <nnd$6e64c992$5f601058@26ab9b65034db816>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Now's the time to offer the people here free Usenet from your
NetKnow NNTP servers in Canada Dave!!!
Be the hero for once... :-)
I need them to pay the small monthly fee!
Define small ...
C$10 / month!
On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 8:40:30 AM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
I'm not sure I understand what that means. Does it mean that
nothing posted from newsreaders will show up on Google groups
at all? But stuff from before Feb 15 will still be there? So,
from Feb 15, either we've all got to use google groups or we've
all got to use newsreaders, otherwise we won't be able to see
everybody's messages?
No, it means if you want to access Usenet you've got to use a
proper news service provider, there will be no Google Groups.
I'm still unsure what this all means. After Feb 15 2024, will I be
able to access rss using google groups?
On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 10:18:24 AM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
You will need a news service (i.e. somebody who provides access to
Usenet) and a newsreader of some sort.
If you are interested...
Free News servers:
https://www.eternal-september.org/
https://solani.org/
Free Newsreaders:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-GB/
https://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/index.html
How do I download a newsreader? I tried eternal September and there's no information about how to download it, even in the FAQ. So I'm completely stuck already. See? I told you I was technophobic.
I wonder has the time come to revisit the idea of transferring rss to a
web based forum?
All valid points.
I wonder has the time come to revisit the idea of transferring rss to a web based forum? Or at least utilising a more visible platform such as twitter / X or Facebook to promote rss and attract new members?
RM
On 15/12/2023 17:38, Blueshirt wrote:
This is the RSS narkive... bookmark it for February 2024! ;-)
https://rec.sport.soccer.narkive.com/
I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the narkive
archives were a bit sketchy. And I might be overlooking something,
but where's the search function?
Real Mardin wrote:
I wonder has the time come to revisit the idea of transferring rss to a
web based forum?
A web based forum? ... cough... splutter... <shocked face> !
Sacrilege!
It does say near the top of the page "Error creating user account:68
Already exists". Could this mean I have successfully registered and
they just didn't tell me?
On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 8:06:44 AM UTC-5, Mark wrote:
Btw since that message appeared at the top in Google groups, I'm
having problems scrolling right down to the bottom of the page
for some bizarre reason. Are other people having that problem?
And has anyone got any idea why, or what can be done to solve the
problem? Even finding where to click "Post message" can be
difficult!
Yes, I'm having the same problem.
Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 8:06:44 AM UTC-5, Mark wrote:
Btw since that message appeared at the top in Google groups, I'm
having problems scrolling right down to the bottom of the page
for some bizarre reason. Are other people having that problem?
And has anyone got any idea why, or what can be done to solve the
problem? Even finding where to click "Post message" can be
difficult!
Yes, I'm having the same problem.
Don't wait until February, start the transition now...
Does my userID have to be unique?
I chose Mark because that's what everybody knows me as on here.
Maybe we should have some kind of poll to see how many people would
prefer a web based forum/newsgroup, and how many would prefer to use newsreaders.
Does my userID have to be unique?
One needs the username/password to access the nntp server, thus it
better be unique.
I chose Mark because that's what everybody knows me as on here.
Probably already taken, but no one will see your eternal-september
ID. Mine is not HASM.
You can customize your newsreader with a from address (I use a phony
one), signature signature (I don't have one) and those do not need
to be unique.
But I can tell you for a fact that a much larger of readers in this
group are LURKERS. They get here via Internet searches. Google and
other search engines INDEX worthy postings in Usenet. There will be
no more indexing after February 15, 2024. All Usenet messages will
be treated as the email messages. They are DEAD on a few people’s
PCs. And all messages will be deleted after a while due to storage restraints!
The newsreaders are also FLOODED WITH A LOT OF GARBAGE. Like it or
not, the newsreaders will throw junk down your throat.
There are huge advantages to web-based forums such as those offered
by Google Groups.
There are huge advantages to web-based forums such as those
offered by Google Groups.
Personally, I think that's a load of nonsense. The Google crutch has
been removed, walk or get left on the ground. There are other web
based Usenet access points.
Blueshirt wrote:
There are huge advantages to web-based forums such as those
offered by Google Groups.
Personally, I think that's a load of nonsense. The Google crutch has
been removed, walk or get left on the ground. There are other web
based Usenet access points.
You want web based Usenet access... okay so.
https://www.novabbs.com/sport/thread.php?group=rec.sport.soccer
Blueshirt wrote:
Blueshirt wrote:
There are huge advantages to web-based forums such as thoseoffered by Google Groups.
Personally, I think that's a load of nonsense. The Google
crutch has been removed, walk or get left on the ground. There
are other web based Usenet access points.
You want web based Usenet access... okay so.
https://www.novabbs.com/sport/thread.php?group=rec.sport.soccer
Testing the novaBBS site...
Blueshirt wrote:
Blueshirt wrote:
There are huge advantages to web-based forums such as those
offered by Google Groups.
Personally, I think that's a load of nonsense. The Google crutch has
been removed, walk or get left on the ground. There are other web
based Usenet access points.
You want web based Usenet access... okay so.
https://www.novabbs.com/sport/thread.php?group=rec.sport.soccer
Testing the novaBBS site...
Bluitser:
Axiomate, I might say, you know how to drive your point home. I’m
trying to reply via novaBBS. Are they as good as Google Groups —
the Usenet flavo(u)r?
But I can tell you, Google Groups — the forum flavo(u)r — is far superior. You can format your posts/messages in line with the
modern times — very much as in Google Documents or Microsoft Office.
Ion Saliu wrote:
Bluitser:
Axiomate, I might say, you know how to drive your point home. I’m
trying to reply via novaBBS. Are they as good as Google Groups —
the Usenet flavo(u)r?
Probably not.
I'm only trying to help the people of RSS as Google Groups is not
going to be an option after February 2024... so there HAS to be some >alternative.
But I can tell you, Google Groups — the forum flavo(u)r — is far
superior. You can format your posts/messages in line with the
modern times — very much as in Google Documents or Microsoft Office.
I'm sure it is superior. It's Google, a big Tech company backed by
millions of Dollars. Nova BBS - and similar projects - are the work
of a few Usenet geeks. For the community by the community.
Over the last week, or so, I have supplied a few links to stop people
being cast adrift when Google Groups sever their link with Usenet in
February 2024. The options are there, people have to choose their own
path... so Blueshirt's Usenet Advice Clinic will now close.
Merry Christmas and a Happy Blue Year!
I've now managed to register with eternal September, and seem to have downloaded Thunderbird. On Thunderbird I've typed in my name and
e-mail address, and typed in a password which got me
nowhere.
Too bad, Google Groups will end soon.
It was a great community, characterized by convenience.
May Almighty Number bless their hearts and souls and blood-pressurenumbers!
Ion Saliu wrote:
Too bad, Google Groups will end soon.
Nothing bad about it!
But Google Groups isn't actually ending, just their gateway to
Usenet. People with Google accounts can still post away on Google's
own groups using the Google Groups interface.
It was a great community, characterized by convenience.
To be fair that is what Google does best, convenience. But they are
known to drop things once they cease to get something out of it, so
remember, it's never about YOU! With Google you are not the customer,
you are the product!
May Almighty Number bless their hearts and souls and blood-pressure >numbers!
The way I see it, the Google Groups connection has to die so Usenet
can carry on living... the good ship RSS will sail on, possibly with
less passengers, but with the baggage gone it will stay afloat...
Roll on February... see you on the other side! :-)
So now that Google Groups is actually gone, any news on that front?
I can't search the body of messages with Thunderbird, can I? (I only
see options for searching 'Subject' and 'From').
Any other possibilities to explicitly find posts made after February
22, 2024? Not a problem right now, of course - but in a couple of
months time?
Interesting:
https://www.uzantoreto.com/en/retention/rec.sport.soccer/
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