UEFA and CONMEBOL have announced the first edition of their new Club >Challenge will take place on 19th July between Sevilla of Spain and >Independiente del Valle of Ecuador. This pits the winners of the 2022/23 >Europa League against the winners of the 2022 Copa Sudamericana.
The match will be played at Sevilla's Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán Stadium.
If there is no winner after 90 minutes a penalty shootout will
determine the winner.
The inaugural edition will be named “Antonio Puerta XII” in honour
of the former Sevilla player, who died in 2007 aged 22 following a
cardiac arrest.
It seems UEFA and CONMEBOL continue to collaborate.
RM
UEFA and CONMEBOL have announced the first edition of their new Club Challenge will take place on 19th July between Sevilla of Spain and Independiente del Valle of Ecuador. This pits the winners of the 2022/23 Europa League against the winners of the2022 Copa Sudamericana.
The match will be played at Sevilla's Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán Stadium. If there is no winner after 90 minutes a penalty shootout will determine the winner.
The inaugural edition will be named “Antonio Puerta XII” in honour of the former Sevilla player, who died in 2007 aged 22 following a cardiac arrest.
It seems UEFA and CONMEBOL continue to collaborate.
RM
UEFA and CONMEBOL have announced the first edition of their new Club Challenge will take place on 19th July between Sevilla of Spain and Independiente del Valle of Ecuador. This pits the winners of the 2022/23 Europa League against the winners of the 2022 Copa Sudamericana.
The match will be played at Sevilla's Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán Stadium. If there is no winner after 90 minutes a penalty shootout will determine the winner.
The inaugural edition will be named “Antonio Puerta XII” in honour of the former Sevilla player, who died in 2007 aged 22 following a cardiac arrest.
It seems UEFA and CONMEBOL continue to collaborate.
Real Mardin escreveu:
UEFA and CONMEBOL have announced the first edition of their new Club Challenge will take place on 19th July between Sevilla of Spain and Independiente del Valle of Ecuador. This pits the winners of the 2022/23 Europa League against the winners of the 2022 Copa Sudamericana.Interesting. A kind of a junior version of the old Intercontinental Cup.
A friend of mine told me that they thought of coming up with this in the 1990's, when Conmebol created its UEFA Cup equivalent (Copa Conmebol, the old version of the present-day Copa Sudamericana). The first fixture was going to be Atlético Mineiro vs Ajax, followed by Botafogo vs Juventus,
but these games never were actually played.
Although for this present one, the European cup winner in season Y/Y+1
faces the South American cup winner of season Y. In the old IC model it would have been the SA cup winner of season Y+1 (for example, the European Champions Cup winner of 1991/92 played the Libertadores winner of 1992, rather than the 1991 one).
The match will be played at Sevilla's Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán Stadium. If there is no winner after 90 minutes a penalty shootout will determine the winner.
The inaugural edition will be named “Antonio Puerta XII” in honour of the
former Sevilla player, who died in 2007 aged 22 following a cardiac arrest.
It seems UEFA and CONMEBOL continue to collaborate.Out of curiosity, let's have a look at what would this Club Challenge have looked like in the past (using the old IC model as described above, European cup winner of Y/Y+1 vs South American cup winner of Y+1):
1992: Ajax vs Atlético Mineiro
1993: Juventus vs Botafogo
1994: Internazionale vs São Paulo
1995: Parma vs Rosario Central
1996: Bayern Munich vs Lanús
1997: Schalke 04 vs Atlético Mineiro
1998: Internazionale vs Santos
1999: Parma vs Talleres
Copa Conmebol ended in 1999, Copa Sudamericana took over in 2002. Galatasaray
and Liverpool winners by default? :-) If you picked Copa Mercosul as a "proxy"
for the secondary South American cup (which it was not meant to be by any stretch, but at least it had a good level of play generally), you'd have:
2000: Galatasaray vs Vasco da Gama
2001: Liverpool vs San Lorenzo
If one prefers to pick Copa Merconorte winners instead (and why on earth would
anyone want to do that?), it's Atlético Nacional and Millonarios instead of Vasco
and San Lorenzo. Resuming normal service, we'd have:
2002: Feyenoord vs San Lorenzo
2003: Porto vs Cienciano
2004: Valencia vs Boca Juniors
2005: CSKA Moscow vs Boca Juniors
2006: Sevilla vs Pachuca
2007: Sevilla vs Arsenal de Sarandí
2008: Zenit St. Petersburg vs Internacional
2009: Shaktar Donetsk vs LDU Quito
2010: Atlético Madrid vs Independiente
2011: Porto vs Universidad de Chile
2012: Atlético Madrid vs São Paulo
2013: Chelsea vs Lanús
2014: Sevilla vs River Plate
2015: Sevilla vs Independiente Santa Fe
2016: Sevilla vs Chapecoense
2017: Manchester United vs Independiente
2018: Atlético Madrid vs Athletico Paranaense
2019: Chelsea vs Independiente del Valle
2020: Sevilla vs Defensa y Justicia
2021: Villareal vs Athletico Paranaense
2022: Eintracht Frankfurt vs Independiente del Valle
To get Sevilla vs Independiente del Valle, one only needs to switch the UEFA sides one season upwards in the above list. Ajax and Feyenoord would drop out
and Galatasaray would play Talleres de Córdoba.
Some interesting matchups there, no doubt. Here's a breakdown by country (not
counting 2000 and 2001):
Argentina: 12 apps by 9 clubs - Rosario Central, Lanús (2), Talleres, San Lorenzo,
Boca Juniors (2), Arsenal de Sarandí, Independiente (2), River Plate, Defensa y
Justicia.
Spain: 11 apps by 4 clubs - Valencia, Sevilla (6), Atlético Madrid (3), Villareal.
Brasil: 10 apps by 7 clubs - Atlético Mineiro (2), Botafogo, São Paulo (2), Santos,
Internacional, Chapecoense, Athletico Paranaense (2).
Italy: 5 apps by 3 clubs - Juventus, Internazionale (2), Parma (2).
Germany: 3 apps by 3 clubs - Bayern Munich, Schalke 04, Eintracht Frankfurt.
England: 3 apps by 2 clubs - Chelsea (2), Manchester United.
Ecuador: 3 apps by 2 clubs - LDU Quito, Independiente del Valle (2).
Netherlands: 2 apps by 2 clubs - Ajax, Feyenoord.
Russia: 2 apps by 2 clubs - CSKA Moscow, Zenit St. Petersburg.
Portugal: 2 apps by 1 club - Porto (2).
With 1 app by 1 club: Ukraine (Shaktar Donetsk), Mexico (Pachuca), Peru (Cienciano),
Chile (Universidad de Chile) and Colombia (Independiente Santa Fe).
Depending on how you count things, maybe the Dutch disappear and one adds Turkey
(Galatasaray) and one further app for Sevilla instead.
Best regards,
Lléo
Real Mardin escreveu:
UEFA and CONMEBOL have announced the first edition of their new Club
Challenge will take place on 19th July between Sevilla of Spain and
Independiente del Valle of Ecuador. This pits the winners of the 2022/23
Europa League against the winners of the 2022 Copa Sudamericana.
Interesting. A kind of a junior version of the old Intercontinental Cup.
A friend of mine told me that they thought of coming up with this in the 1990's, when Conmebol created its UEFA Cup equivalent (Copa Conmebol, the
old version of the present-day Copa Sudamericana). The first fixture was going to be Atlético Mineiro vs Ajax, followed by Botafogo vs Juventus,
but these games never were actually played.
Although for this present one, the European cup winner in season Y/Y+1
faces the South American cup winner of season Y. In the old IC model it
would have been the SA cup winner of season Y+1 (for example, the European Champions Cup winner of 1991/92 played the Libertadores winner of 1992, rather than the 1991 one).
The match will be played at Sevilla's Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán Stadium. If >> there is no winner after 90 minutes a penalty shootout will determine the
winner.
The inaugural edition will be named “Antonio Puerta XII” in honour of the
former Sevilla player, who died in 2007 aged 22 following a cardiac arrest. >>
It seems UEFA and CONMEBOL continue to collaborate.
Out of curiosity, let's have a look at what would this Club Challenge have looked like in the past (using the old IC model as described above, European cup winner of Y/Y+1 vs South American cup winner of Y+1):
On 2023-07-12 10:31, Lléo wrote:
Real Mardin escreveu:
UEFA and CONMEBOL have announced the first edition of their new Club
Challenge will take place on 19th July between Sevilla of Spain and
Independiente del Valle of Ecuador. This pits the winners of the 2022/23 >> Europa League against the winners of the 2022 Copa Sudamericana.
Interesting. A kind of a junior version of the old Intercontinental Cup.
A friend of mine told me that they thought of coming up with this in the 1990's, when Conmebol created its UEFA Cup equivalent (Copa Conmebol, the old version of the present-day Copa Sudamericana). The first fixture was going to be Atlético Mineiro vs Ajax, followed by Botafogo vs Juventus, but these games never were actually played.
Although for this present one, the European cup winner in season Y/Y+1 faces the South American cup winner of season Y. In the old IC model it would have been the SA cup winner of season Y+1 (for example, the European Champions Cup winner of 1991/92 played the Libertadores winner of 1992, rather than the 1991 one).
The match will be played at Sevilla's Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán Stadium. If
there is no winner after 90 minutes a penalty shootout will determine the >> winner.
The inaugural edition will be named “Antonio Puerta XII” in honour of the
former Sevilla player, who died in 2007 aged 22 following a cardiac arrest.
It seems UEFA and CONMEBOL continue to collaborate.
Out of curiosity, let's have a look at what would this Club Challenge have looked like in the past (using the old IC model as described above, European
cup winner of Y/Y+1 vs South American cup winner of Y+1):
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Curious as to why you chose UEFA Cup/Europa league for this,
when in theory the cup winners' cup was the more prestigious competition until it ended.
There was certainly a legitimate argument that the UEFA
cup was harder to win, even back in the 80s. And after the "Champions league" started allowing multiple entries from the higher ranked
nations, the CWC lasted only briefly.
when in theory the cup winners' cup was the more prestigious competition until it ended.Btw, how prestigious was the Cup Winners' Cup on its day? Was it seen as a big achievement?
MH escreveu:
when in theory the cup winners' cup was the more prestigious
competition until it ended.
Btw, how prestigious was the Cup Winners' Cup on its day? Was it seen
as a big achievement?
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:17:02 AM UTC-4, Lléo wrote:UEFA Cup had an extra round of matches (there were typically 64 entrants in the competition proper, versus 32 in the EC and CWC).
when in theory the cup winners' cup was the more prestigious competition >>> until it ended.Btw, how prestigious was the Cup Winners' Cup on its day? Was it seen as a >> big achievement?
It was at least as prestigious as the UEFA Cup (but less than the European/Champions' Cup (*)), even though probably less difficult to win. Why more prestigious?
- It started before the UEFA Cup, so more seniority
- The final was played in a single match on a neutral venue, like the European/Champions' Cup. The UEFA Cup was a two-legged tie.
- You will still find people referring to the three cups as EC1 (European/Champions' Cup), EC2 (Cup Winners' Cup) and EC3.
- The European SuperCup (when it was played), was contested between the winners of EC1 and EC2.
As for difficulty of winning it -- well, given that there is more variability in the winners of domestic Cup, plus only one entrant from the top leagues, the pool of entrants in the CWC was typically a bit weaker than that of the UEFA Cup. Plus, the
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