About catch timing: http://www.biorow.com/RBN_en_2015_files/2015RowBiomNews03.pdf http://biorow.com/index.php?route=information/news/news&news_id=47 http://biorow.com/index.php?route=information/news/news&news_id=50If I'm stroking a boat with novices and the catch feels heavy my first thought is that I'm beating the other rowers in. Given how novices like to rush this is actually quite rare - so I have to allow that it might mean that by fortuitous coincidence we
About catch timing: http://www.biorow.com/RBN_en_2015_files/2015RowBiomNews03.pdf http://biorow.com/index.php?route=information/news/news&news_id=47 http://biorow.com/index.php?route=information/news/news&news_id=50
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 22:26:44 UTC+1, val...@biorow.com wrote:are actually taking the catch together, and I'm so used to be being the last one into the water that it just feels heavy!
About catch timing: http://www.biorow.com/RBN_en_2015_files/2015RowBiomNews03.pdf http://biorow.com/index.php?route=information/news/news&news_id=47 http://biorow.com/index.php?route=information/news/news&news_id=50If I'm stroking a boat with novices and the catch feels heavy my first thought is that I'm beating the other rowers in. Given how novices like to rush this is actually quite rare - so I have to allow that it might mean that by fortuitous coincidence we
It sounds as if your 'shoot the slide' rower might be feeling rushed around the catch - so drills that work on slide control might be beneficial. Single strokes from hands away, ultra slow rates (e.g. 10 strokes a minute), fast hands away to allow theslide to be controlled etc. might help.
AndyThanks Andy,
I'm looking for some advice as well as comments on
my analysis of a recent row in a quad. I was stroking
and the boat felt really heavy at the catch. I mentioned
it at a break and bow observed that one of the less experienced
scullers was driving with her legs before the sculls were fully
buried.
Since the boat is always slowing down at the instant of the
catch and if she was pushing without the blades buried,
it seems to me that the rest of the boat was dealing with
the boat mass, their own mass plus her mass and her effort
to accelerate her mass to the bow without the blades buried.
Is this a reasonable explanation for the heaviness of the boat?
Are there any suggestions for drills to train one not to "shoot
the slide"? One drill that I think might work is the reverse pick drill where you could work on making the catch while still on the recovery.
From the standpoint of the boat, this seems like a useful indicator
of how the crew is making their catches and provides "instant feedback".
I'd appreciate some comments on that last thought.
Thanks,
Bob
On Friday, 2 July 2021 at 22:35:01 UTC+1, Bob Martin wrote:and on a sculling blade put a white tape 400mm above the shoulder of the spoon on the shaft - that, when wet, is the correct spoon depth, in a boat that is properly set up for the weight of athlete. It is easy to see for me as a coach, and for the
I'm looking for some advice as well as comments on
my analysis of a recent row in a quad. I was stroking
and the boat felt really heavy at the catch. I mentioned
it at a break and bow observed that one of the less experienced
scullers was driving with her legs before the sculls were fully
buried.
Since the boat is always slowing down at the instant of the
catch and if she was pushing without the blades buried,
it seems to me that the rest of the boat was dealing with
the boat mass, their own mass plus her mass and her effort
to accelerate her mass to the bow without the blades buried.
Is this a reasonable explanation for the heaviness of the boat?
Are there any suggestions for drills to train one not to "shoot
the slide"? One drill that I think might work is the reverse pick drill where you could work on making the catch while still on the recovery.
From the standpoint of the boat, this seems like a useful indicator
of how the crew is making their catches and provides "instant feedback". I'd appreciate some comments on that last thought.
Thanks,
BobI think there are several things;
You have an observation from one member that another member was not submerging her blades before driving.
You feel it is heavy.
They might be linked, but there can be a tendency to blame others, so look to solve as a crew.
Some athletes find it strange - but there are disagreements about blade depth. There are some that believe that the blade magically floats at the right height, and others that it should be 1" (at least) under the surface. I like Kleshnev's observations,
As for the rest, there are so many things - is it the same on both sides (hand crossover) is the rigging facilitating hand heights, should a seat pad be used, how strong is the athlete (some cannot take the load of a properly placed blade because ofshoulder/back weakness).
Is it timing - lots of timing drills, roll ups, a look at the whole crew - working together, from the outside.Thanks to all the people who responded. We went out in a double this AM to work on the problem. First of all you could see the slide and butt move before the load
James
On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 3:29:56 PM UTC-6, James HS wrote:observations, and on a sculling blade put a white tape 400mm above the shoulder of the spoon on the shaft - that, when wet, is the correct spoon depth, in a boat that is properly set up for the weight of athlete. It is easy to see for me as a coach, and
On Friday, 2 July 2021 at 22:35:01 UTC+1, Bob Martin wrote:
I'm looking for some advice as well as comments on
my analysis of a recent row in a quad. I was stroking
and the boat felt really heavy at the catch. I mentioned
it at a break and bow observed that one of the less experienced
scullers was driving with her legs before the sculls were fully
buried.
Since the boat is always slowing down at the instant of the
catch and if she was pushing without the blades buried,
it seems to me that the rest of the boat was dealing with
the boat mass, their own mass plus her mass and her effort
to accelerate her mass to the bow without the blades buried.
Is this a reasonable explanation for the heaviness of the boat?
Are there any suggestions for drills to train one not to "shoot
the slide"? One drill that I think might work is the reverse pick drill where you could work on making the catch while still on the recovery.
From the standpoint of the boat, this seems like a useful indicator
of how the crew is making their catches and provides "instant feedback". I'd appreciate some comments on that last thought.
Thanks,
BobI think there are several things;
You have an observation from one member that another member was not submerging her blades before driving.
You feel it is heavy.
They might be linked, but there can be a tendency to blame others, so look to solve as a crew.
Some athletes find it strange - but there are disagreements about blade depth. There are some that believe that the blade magically floats at the right height, and others that it should be 1" (at least) under the surface. I like Kleshnev's
shoulder/back weakness).As for the rest, there are so many things - is it the same on both sides (hand crossover) is the rigging facilitating hand heights, should a seat pad be used, how strong is the athlete (some cannot take the load of a properly placed blade because of
Is it timing - lots of timing drills, roll ups, a look at the whole crew - working together, from the outside.
JamesThanks to all the people who responded. We went out in a double this AM to work on the problem. First of all you could see the slide and butt move before the load
was taken by the oars. We worked on the suggested drills including taking the catch with the shoulders. The catch drills helped a lot. Interestingly, the thing
that seemed to help the most was listening to the sound of the slide at the catch. This was while I was setting the boat. You could hear the wheels rolling
quickly until the load engaged, Making that sound go away seemed to be the most effective for the rower although the earlier drills and explanations set the stage.
Another case of feedback to improve ones rowing!
On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 3:29:56 PM UTC-6, James HS wrote:observations, and on a sculling blade put a white tape 400mm above the shoulder of the spoon on the shaft - that, when wet, is the correct spoon depth, in a boat that is properly set up for the weight of athlete. It is easy to see for me as a coach, and
On Friday, 2 July 2021 at 22:35:01 UTC+1, Bob Martin wrote:
I'm looking for some advice as well as comments onI think there are several things;
my analysis of a recent row in a quad. I was stroking
and the boat felt really heavy at the catch. I mentioned
it at a break and bow observed that one of the less experienced
scullers was driving with her legs before the sculls were fully
buried.
Since the boat is always slowing down at the instant of the
catch and if she was pushing without the blades buried,
it seems to me that the rest of the boat was dealing with
the boat mass, their own mass plus her mass and her effort
to accelerate her mass to the bow without the blades buried.
Is this a reasonable explanation for the heaviness of the boat?
Are there any suggestions for drills to train one not to "shoot
the slide"? One drill that I think might work is the reverse pick drill
where you could work on making the catch while still on the recovery.
From the standpoint of the boat, this seems like a useful indicator
of how the crew is making their catches and provides "instant feedback". >>> I'd appreciate some comments on that last thought.
Thanks,
Bob
You have an observation from one member that another member was not submerging her blades before driving.
You feel it is heavy.
They might be linked, but there can be a tendency to blame others, so look to solve as a crew.
Some athletes find it strange - but there are disagreements about blade depth. There are some that believe that the blade magically floats at the right height, and others that it should be 1" (at least) under the surface. I like Kleshnev's
shoulder/back weakness).
As for the rest, there are so many things - is it the same on both sides (hand crossover) is the rigging facilitating hand heights, should a seat pad be used, how strong is the athlete (some cannot take the load of a properly placed blade because of
Thanks to all the people who responded. We went out in a double this AM to work on the problem. First of all you could see the slide and butt move before the load
Is it timing - lots of timing drills, roll ups, a look at the whole crew - working together, from the outside.
James
was taken by the oars. We worked on the suggested drills including taking the catch with the shoulders. The catch drills helped a lot. Interestingly, the thing
that seemed to help the most was listening to the sound of the slide at the catch. This was while I was setting the boat. You could hear the wheels rolling
quickly until the load engaged, Making that sound go away seemed to be the most effective for the rower although the earlier drills and explanations set the stage.
Another case of feedback to improve ones rowing!
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