"Posh sports' face funding cuts in buildup to Paris 2024 Olympics
"UK Sport to cut funding for sailing, equestrianism and rowing
"Basketball and skateboarding among sports to get extra funding"

As reported today: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/18/basketball-surfing-and-skateboarding-get-extra-in-olympic-funding-round

Interesting that rowing is "posh".

I'd welcome reactions (not necessarily on that journo comment) from
within all levels of our sport.

What will be the effect of this 9.8% reduction with a Brexit-devalued £?

Where, & on what, will most of that money be spent?

And, given the inevitable economic damage from Covid & Brexit, & that
these are taxpayer funds, might UK international rowing become a
slightly less ardent promoter of non-indigenous equipment?

Cheers -
Carl
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On Friday, 18 December 2020 at 22:42:16 UTC, carl wrote:

"Posh sports' face funding cuts in buildup to Paris 2024 Olympics
"UK Sport to cut funding for sailing, equestrianism and rowing
"Basketball and skateboarding among sports to get extra funding"

As reported today: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/18/basketball-surfing-and-skateboarding-get-extra-in-olympic-funding-round

Interesting that rowing is "posh".

I'd welcome reactions (not necessarily on that journo comment) from
within all levels of our sport.

What will be the effect of this 9.8% reduction with a Brexit-devalued £?

Where, & on what, will most of that money be spent?

And, given the inevitable economic damage from Covid & Brexit, & that
these are taxpayer funds, might UK international rowing become a
slightly less ardent promoter of non-indigenous equipment?

Cheers -
Carl
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Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
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Find: tinyurl.com/2tqujf
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As someone who started rowing at a State school many years ago I would say it is not a "posh" sport, but the powerhouses of school rowing in the UK are certainly more likely to be private schools. Also I don't know how easy it is to get to trials without
exclusive use of a decent single. Travel to camps and regattas are not cheap, and until you are selected for the squad the money has to come from somewhere.

It would be interesting to see where the money goes, but the main cost must be salary for the professional staff and athletes. It is a lot different from the days our Veteran men chipped in so a rower from my club could have a blazer to wear at the World
Championships she was selected for.

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On Friday, 18 December 2020 at 22:42:16 UTC, carl wrote:

"Posh sports' face funding cuts in buildup to Paris 2024 Olympics
"UK Sport to cut funding for sailing, equestrianism and rowing
"Basketball and skateboarding among sports to get extra funding"

As reported today: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/18/basketball-surfing-and-skateboarding-get-extra-in-olympic-funding-round

Interesting that rowing is "posh".

I'd welcome reactions (not necessarily on that journo comment) from
within all levels of our sport.

What will be the effect of this 9.8% reduction with a Brexit-devalued £?

Where, & on what, will most of that money be spent?

And, given the inevitable economic damage from Covid & Brexit, & that
these are taxpayer funds, might UK international rowing become a
slightly less ardent promoter of non-indigenous equipment?

Cheers -
Carl

Is rowing a 'posh' sport? Well even if it isn't it would certainly like to think it is.
The great irony of the mental illness referred to as snobbery is that it is such a common affliction.
Times change however. Football and Rugby; gentlemen and ruffians.
Social engineering rarely works. The elites of this world will always find ways of slighting the rest of us.
Rowing is a true middle distance muscular endurance sport with high levels of skill even artistry.
It is a well established and recognisable discipline rewarding effort and ability.
The modern era seems to contain more 'posing' sports like snow boarding or Man V Food.
Fishing is one of the most commonly practiced sports but can be associated with hunting and shooting so
that's out too.
Difficult choices will have to be made for someone's political gain.
Best wishes,
Steve.

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On Saturday, 13 February 2021 at 19:27:50 UTC, Stephen Maddalena wrote:

Is rowing a 'posh' sport? Well even if it isn't it would certainly like to think it is.
The great irony of the mental illness referred to as snobbery is that it is such a common affliction.
Times change however. Football and Rugby; gentlemen and ruffians.
Social engineering rarely works. The elites of this world will always find ways of slighting the rest of us.
Rowing is a true middle distance muscular endurance sport with high levels of skill even artistry.
It is a well established and recognisable discipline rewarding effort and ability.
The modern era seems to contain more 'posing' sports like snow boarding or Man V Food.
Fishing is one of the most commonly practiced sports but can be associated with hunting and shooting so
that's out too.
Difficult choices will have to be made for someone's political gain.
Best wishes,
Steve.

It can't be a posh sport when the Rowing Association admits 'women' rather than 'ladies' <g>
Any'ow sum of us iz rif-raff

pgk

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On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 8:02:49 AM UTC-5, Peter wrote:

On Saturday, 13 February 2021 at 19:27:50 UTC, Stephen Maddalena wrote:

Is rowing a 'posh' sport? Well even if it isn't it would certainly like to think it is.
The great irony of the mental illness referred to as snobbery is that it is such a common affliction.
Times change however. Football and Rugby; gentlemen and ruffians.
Social engineering rarely works. The elites of this world will always find ways of slighting the rest of us.
Rowing is a true middle distance muscular endurance sport with high levels of skill even artistry.
It is a well established and recognisable discipline rewarding effort and ability.
The modern era seems to contain more 'posing' sports like snow boarding or Man V Food.
Fishing is one of the most commonly practiced sports but can be associated with hunting and shooting so
that's out too.
Difficult choices will have to be made for someone's political gain.
Best wishes,
Steve.

It can't be a posh sport when the Rowing Association admits 'women' rather than 'ladies' <g>
Any'ow sum of us iz rif-raff

pgk

I guess POSH is relative, I don't believe I've ever rowed for a POSH club, certain clubs we all know are elitist, if that is POSH then they qualify but perhaps the rule of thumb is the cost of the sports personal equipment, how much a 1x these days, oh
and a pair of oars (with or without foils), speed coach, erg, gopro camera and tripod for the video work, shoes, rowing togs, rack fees and club membership. Still waiting for my invitation to Leander.

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On 18/12/2020 22:42, carl wrote:

"Posh sports' face funding cuts in buildup to Paris 2024 Olympics
"UK Sport to cut funding for sailing, equestrianism and rowing
"Basketball and skateboarding among sports to get extra funding"

As reported today: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/18/basketball-surfing-and-skateboarding-get-extra-in-olympic-funding-round

Interesting that rowing is "posh".

I'd welcome reactions (not necessarily on that journo comment) from
within all levels of our sport.

What will be the effect of this 9.8% reduction with a Brexit-devalued £?

Where, & on what, will most of that money be spent?

And, given the inevitable economic damage from Covid & Brexit, & that
these are taxpayer funds, might UK international rowing become a
slightly less ardent promoter of non-indigenous equipment?

Cheers -
Carl

POSH - Port Outward, Starboard Homeward, right?

Which crews swap sides half way through the outing, anyway? And
presumably it rules out the scullers?

Kit

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On Wednesday, 17 February 2021 at 16:45:39 UTC, Kit Davies wrote:

POSH - Port Outward, Starboard Homeward, right?

Urban myth, sadly, much as it pains me to disagree with the Sherman Brothers - https://youtu.be/f5St9d1TUAE.

However, the idea of having crews swap sides mid-outing might make rowing more appealing to the Great Unwashed aka TV audiences. OK it wouldn't be "proper" rowing, but many other sports have created TV-friendly formats to raise their profile (e.g. the
various limited over formats in cricket). Coastal rowing and beach sprints undoubtedly have a role to play here, and indoor rowing has benefited from this last weird year - perhaps that will help reverse the funding reduction eventually.

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On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 12:37:20 PM UTC, Richard wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 February 2021 at 16:45:39 UTC, Kit Davies wrote:

POSH - Port Outward, Starboard Homeward, right?

Urban myth, sadly, much as it pains me to disagree with the Sherman Brothers - https://youtu.be/f5St9d1TUAE.

However, the idea of having crews swap sides mid-outing might make rowing more appealing to the Great Unwashed aka TV audiences. OK it wouldn't be "proper" rowing, but many other sports have created TV-friendly formats to raise their profile (e.g. the

various limited over formats in cricket). Coastal rowing and beach sprints undoubtedly have a role to play here, and indoor rowing has benefited from this last weird year - perhaps that will help reverse the funding reduction eventually.

Posh? Perhaps not. Geographically limited, in that you need to be able to get to a rowable stretch of water? More likely. There is a world outside London and The Saarth.
Large parts of the country are no where near a worthwhile stretch of water for serious training. Not sure where you would find your nearest stables in most cities. Basketball needs a wall-mounted hoop from Argos and a ball. Football needs a ball and some
jumpers. Regardless of income or class, those sports are fundementally more accessible to more people.

Indoor rowing has the possibility to be more accessible but how many people have room in their home for a Concept2 without it being a "feature" -- hardly fits in a cupboard when your done for the day like a tennis racket does.

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 05:37:40 -0700, Hattie Rosie wrote:

Posh? Perhaps not.

Hello! I know the names of most of the regulars here and I don't
recognise yours - are you new? You're very welcome.

No, rowing isn't posh, not now, not really; but it has the /reputation/
for being posh, and for what I think is a very good reason.

For years British Rowing (in its earlier manifestation as the Amateur
Rowing Association) would not accept club membership by anyone who "Had
been by trade or employment, for wages, a mechanic, artisan or labourer,
or engaged in any menial duty". And anyone who was a member of a club
that itself admitted such infidels was also barred. And "menial duties"
was pretty widely interpreted; it included police officers, for example.

OK, the erosion of that deeply unpleasant stipulation started to crumble
in the late 1930s, but significant portions of it remained for some time:
for twenty years more nobody who was - or ever had been - employed as a professional sports coach of any kind would be accepted in an ARA club
(which meant that PE teachers were out), and the whole nasty mess was
only cleared up in the 1970s.

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